BigSteelThrill
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Seahawks win the NFCW in 2007? Or 49ers overtake them? (1 Viewer)
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jurb26
Footballguy
I absolutely love the 9ers for next year as a team on the rise. I think they additions they have made on D are going to have huge impacts. Willis is my early pick for rookie of the year and Clements (while overpaid for) is immediately to best CB on the team. New coaches raise some concern, but many of the young players should still be able to hit their stride IMO. Smith has better weapons and a WR1, Davis will be back healthy, the Oline should be better and Gore is still going to be a stud if healthy.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
For the life of me, I cannot figure out who you're considering to be a WR1 on the 49ers roster.Not Ashley Lelie...The Rams are also my pick to win the West.
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jurb26
Footballguy
You don't think Jackson is a WR1?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Oh yeah. Forgot about him. He'll be okay. Maybe for 6 of the 16 games before he gets hurt.
jurb26
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yes. If he can stay healthy, and Vernon Davis continues to develop, they may actually have something. They're definitely a team on the rise.
Lombaowski
Footballguy
For a team that had a ton of injuries on offense last year and look to have a better defense than they did last year, the Seahawks seem to be getting very little respect. 49ers and Cards are both on the rise but SF is still pretty young and Arizona is still Arizona. Seahawks should win this division again.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think the Seahawks passing game will be their downfall this year. For fantasy purposes, Hackett is a darling, but I don't think he's going to carry his NFL team.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
The Seahawks were BETTER last year without Jackson in the lineup.Allow Branch and Hasselbeck to actually get the timing down by going through passing camp, mini camp and training camp and the passing game will be back to normal.
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
This is the same song and dance every year. The Seahawks have won the division the past 3 years and now are becoming underrated. Every year you hear how the Cardinals will win the NFC West and every year its a pipe dream. This year, the 49ers have made some good moves, but they are a ways off of de-throning the 3 year defending NFC West champs.
Seahawks will win the division again.
Every year people buy into the hype of the Cardinals or 49ers because of some off season moves and every year, the Seahawks prevail, I expect no different this year.
Seahawks will win the division again.
Every year people buy into the hype of the Cardinals or 49ers because of some off season moves and every year, the Seahawks prevail, I expect no different this year.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Winning the NFC West isn't a real accomplishment, is it? This is the division that has had 11 teams in the last three years allow more points than they've scored.
5Rings
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The rest of the division has caught up to Seattle, imo. The talent disparity is not as great as its been in recent years. In fact, I think their window has closed....this might be their last run.
Every team has big question marks
Seattle--can they stay healthy?
San Francisco--can their young guys continue to improve?
St Louis--can they stop a Pop Warner team from gaining 5 ypc?
Arizona--can the Clippers finally harness all that potential?
I wouldn't disagree with anyone picking any of those four to win the division.
If I had to....
Cardinals 9-7
49ers 8-8
Seattle 8-8
Rams 7-9
Every team has big question marks
Seattle--can they stay healthy?
San Francisco--can their young guys continue to improve?
St Louis--can they stop a Pop Warner team from gaining 5 ypc?
Arizona--can the Clippers finally harness all that potential?
I wouldn't disagree with anyone picking any of those four to win the division.
If I had to....
Cardinals 9-7
49ers 8-8
Seattle 8-8
Rams 7-9
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
When you say every year, do you mean last year?Link to anyone projecting the 49ers to win the division since Owens left?
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Past three years people have bought into the hype of the Cardinals, and this year it is the 49ers. You disgaree?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Definitely, assuming this isn't one of those years.Before 2004, the Rams were the favorites to win the division, and probably should have been. Remember, Faulk was dynamite at the end of 2003, leading St. Louis to twelve wins.There was a little hype for McNown/Fitzgerlad in that same off-season, but no one thought they would win the division that year.And almost everyone picked Seattle to win the division last year, although I agree the Cards did have some serious hype then.And once again, Seattle has been outscored two out of the last three years. They weren't good in 2004 or 2006.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Seattle wins another one. No injuries on offense, and a new look secondary.
Arizona's offense will be nice but what have they done for defense?
SF to young, to inexperianced and I just don't see Alex Smith getting it done.
Rams are on the decline.
This is my guess in order for the west.
Arizona's offense will be nice but what have they done for defense?
SF to young, to inexperianced and I just don't see Alex Smith getting it done.
Rams are on the decline.
This is my guess in order for the west.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
San Francisco parlayed an incredibly easy schedule and a ton of luck into 7 wins last year. Following a very good off-season, they might be able to hit 7 wins without any luck or an easy schedule. But let's not forget that for a quarter of the season, the 49ers got swept by the Cardinals and lost to the Chargers and Chiefs by 70 points. They aren't any good.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
The Hawks had winning records, still won the division those years and had better plus/minus than San Fran, the Cardinals or the Rams, so what is your point? In 2006, the 49ers were outscored by 37 points by the Hawks and held their opponents to 71 less points for a difference of 108 total points. And this is in a season where the Hawks' pro bowl QB and RB missed significant time, and yet people think that the 49ers are going to have a big enough jump in 2007 when the Seahawks are healthy?These arguments you use against the Seahawks are the exact same arguments to be used against each NFC West team, so its moot anyways.
hacman
Footballguy
I'm a homer and agree with the middle part of Chase's post. I do think people are getting carried away with expectations- I posted this in the "NFC Best" thread:
The Seahawks have been king of the dung heap the past three years. You can't sleep on the West anymore, though. It's going to be a tough division soon.
5Rings
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Who is playing games with stats?The 49ers had a very easy schedule last year. Despite that, they were outscored by 114 points. Teams that get outscored by 114 points while playing below average schedules aren't average. I understand you're a 49ers fan, but I'm not sure what's your problem with what I wrote.
Which part do you disagree with?
1) The 49ers got outscored by 114 points
2) The 49ers had a below average schedule
3) Teams that get outscored by a ton while playing weak schedules are bad teams
4) A bad team that has a good off-season should come close to .500 the next year
(And btw, the Jets had a difficult schedule, weren't particularly lucky in the context I used the term, and only lost badly to the Bills and Jaguars in 1/8th of their schedule.)
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bigfishboy
Footballguy
The NFC West has a bad draw on the schedule. I think the division winner may only get 7 wins. In fact, I will project them to split games between them and all finish 7-9. As a Seahawk fan I will take them to win the tiebreakers.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Nobody is underrating the seahawks... Let the facts present themselves.
1) The niner swept the seahawks. They beat Seattle IN SEATTLE. Sure the seahawks didn't have Hasselbeck or Alexander for game 1, but the niners were waxing them for most of the game. Game 2 was close most of the way, but the niners still won by 10. Hasselbeck, Alexander, Branch, Hackett all played in that game. Who didn't play? Darrell Jackson.
2) Niners had an easy schedule last year? Let's look at their non-division opponents: PHI, @KC, OAK, SD, @CHI, MIN, @DET, @NO, GB, @DEN, I count 6 playoff teams. Counting 2 games each against STL and SEA, along with GB, that's 11 games against teams that were .500 or better last season.
3) What has Branch shown? After the week 11 loss to SF, Branch didn't manage another TD, more than 60 yds, or more than 5 catches for the rest of the season, this is including 2 postseason games. For the season he broke 100 one time, and had 4 TDs.... If I were a seattle fan, I'd pissed we gave up a 1st round pick for the guy.
Basically as a niner fan, the cards strike more fear in me than the hawks. They've owned the niners in the past 2 years and until this year, they've never had an answer for Fitzgerald and Boldin. The seahawks were .500 against the rest of the NFC West last season... I don't see that road getting any easier for them.
In today's NFL, things don't take 2 seasons to change. Last year's SB champ is this year's underachiever. ESPN will praise in week 8 the dog it dissed in week 1. This is how I see the division ending at the end of the season.
Niners: 9-7
Rams: 9-7
Seahawks: 8-8
Cardinals: 7-9
1) The niner swept the seahawks. They beat Seattle IN SEATTLE. Sure the seahawks didn't have Hasselbeck or Alexander for game 1, but the niners were waxing them for most of the game. Game 2 was close most of the way, but the niners still won by 10. Hasselbeck, Alexander, Branch, Hackett all played in that game. Who didn't play? Darrell Jackson.
2) Niners had an easy schedule last year? Let's look at their non-division opponents: PHI, @KC, OAK, SD, @CHI, MIN, @DET, @NO, GB, @DEN, I count 6 playoff teams. Counting 2 games each against STL and SEA, along with GB, that's 11 games against teams that were .500 or better last season.
3) What has Branch shown? After the week 11 loss to SF, Branch didn't manage another TD, more than 60 yds, or more than 5 catches for the rest of the season, this is including 2 postseason games. For the season he broke 100 one time, and had 4 TDs.... If I were a seattle fan, I'd pissed we gave up a 1st round pick for the guy.
Basically as a niner fan, the cards strike more fear in me than the hawks. They've owned the niners in the past 2 years and until this year, they've never had an answer for Fitzgerald and Boldin. The seahawks were .500 against the rest of the NFC West last season... I don't see that road getting any easier for them.
In today's NFL, things don't take 2 seasons to change. Last year's SB champ is this year's underachiever. ESPN will praise in week 8 the dog it dissed in week 1. This is how I see the division ending at the end of the season.
Niners: 9-7
Rams: 9-7
Seahawks: 8-8
Cardinals: 7-9
Doctor Detroit
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I feel the exact same way and every year we hear the same thing. I see some stuff in here about the 49ers beating the Seahawks twice last year and that is true but the first tie they met Seattle had a lot of guys out, and the second time they were just getting everyone back. Did the 49ers win a playoff game? Did the 49ers take the NFC Champions to OT in the playoffs at their place? No. -Seattle will be much better on defense this year because they won't be allowing those big plays anymore with Grant and Russell and the addition of Kerney will allow those linebackers to dominate. -The offensive line will be much better this year as a group as they will adjust to all the injuries and losing Hutchinson. Shaun Alexander looked good at the very end of last year, he'll be good this year. -Matt Hasselbeck was never right last year because of injuries and not having his main WR D-JAX at practice hurt what game prep they did have.-Deion Branch will know the offense and Hasselbeck will know Branch. Seattle's passing game will not be good this year? Are you serious? Did Mike Holmgren quit? The passing game will be back to what it was prior to last year and the timing and accuracy will be there.-The schedule is difficult but four of their toughest six games are at home: Chicago, NO, Cincy, and Baltimore. -SF isn't sneaking up on anyone this year. Seattle isn't going into these games thinking they will walk. If healthy I think Seattle will win both this year.I won't get into specifics on San Francisco. They are a good up and coming team and I like their core players on offense. I think their defense is extremely questionable though and NFL teams will have a better idea how to game prep for Mike Nolan going into his third season. I think they will be a borderline playoff team and in the NFC anything can happen. Seattle's window is closing but they improved on defense and their offense will be more efficient this year than it was a year ago. Go ahead and discount the Hawks, makes it easier for everyone and makes winning the division for the 4th straight year even sweeter. FWIW, most of us fans are more worried about seeding than this division. 
Doctor Detroit
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I can understand the love for the 49ers but the Rams? Come on.
TheWick
Footballguy
We'll come back to this in January
Doctor Detroit
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Oh please do. I'll be too busy in the Seahawks playoff thread to remember this.
Routilla
Footballguy
For whatever reason I think STL will win it. I am concerned about SA and the WRs in SEA. SF is certainly on the rise but I'm not sure they put it all together this year. AZ also on the rise but not sure this is the breakthrough year. STL seems more stable from an offensive standpoint and I think the DEF will be better. All in all this division is a crapshoot though. I wouldn't want to put money on any of these teams to win their division, it's just too close to call.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Rams over take it w/ 10 - 6 record
49ers and Sea go anywhere from 9 - 7 to 7 -9
Cards still go about 4 - 12 or 5 -11
But I think this is Sea last yr as an above .500 team. Hass and SA are about done.
Rams should have a season or 2 when their on top but the 9ers aren't too far behind.
In about 2 or 3 yrs.. its all 49ers and Cards as the Rams and Hawks rebuild.
49ers and Sea go anywhere from 9 - 7 to 7 -9
Cards still go about 4 - 12 or 5 -11
But I think this is Sea last yr as an above .500 team. Hass and SA are about done.
Rams should have a season or 2 when their on top but the 9ers aren't too far behind.
In about 2 or 3 yrs.. its all 49ers and Cards as the Rams and Hawks rebuild.
Doctor Detroit
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He's 31. How is he about done?I agree with this except for the fact that the Cardinals are always in rebuilding mode. That's why the 49ers prospects are so good given the possible rebuilding/retooling in Seattle for sure coming. I said before last season that I thought the Rams were headed for a long period of mediocrity with a bunch of seasons between 6-10 and 8-8. Actually this started in 2004 but I think it will last for at least three more years if not more.
derek19
Footballguy
I guess I am a little confused with the bolded part. The 9ers finished 7-9 last year. One win away from being a .500 team. With all the improvements the 9ers have made this offseason, especially on Def., you don't think they will be at least a .500 team?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think there's a lot to like about the Rams. Their offensive line, which had injury and inexperience problems last year, should be much more solid through the entire season- Whether it's McCollum or Incognito at center - both are good.- Setterstrom played well as a rookie and his experience will serve him well in year two.- Orlando Pace missed 7 games with a torn tricep last year.I like the additions of McMichael and Bennett (and am also watching the development of Joe Klopfenstein).On defense, the additions of the rookie Carriker and free agent James Hall will improve the d-line. Chris Draft is an upgrade to the linebacker corps. Their d-backs should also be improved with Tye Hill having a year under his belt and the continued development of Atogwe.I can see the arguments saying Seattle is the leader to win the NFC West. But I think you sell the Rams short.Doctor Detroit said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Hass will be 32 when the season starts, and he didn't look to good last yr. Neither did SA.Doctor Detroit said:KellysHeroes said:
Doctor Detroit
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Three games in he will be.Hass will be 32 when the season starts, and he didn't look to good last yr. Neither did SA.Doctor Detroit said:KellysHeroes said:
Hasselbeck and SA were hurt last year did you miss the press conference? A 32 year old QB is in the middle of his prime years, not done. Hasselbeck has three or four good years left and when he's healthy, he's a Pro Bowl QB.
wadegarrett
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
The same was said about Delhomme last yr too
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Hasselbeck
2005 - 24 TD, 9 INT
2006 - 21 TD, 18 INT
2005 - 24 TD, 9 INT
2006 - 21 TD, 18 INT
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Link?
shadyridr
Footballguy
I actually think Hasslebeck has been a bit overrated in the league. Just before last year a case couldve been made for him being a top 5 NFL QB but now Id day he's out of the top 10. I definately think he's on the decline and wouldn't be surprised if he is ousted as Seattle's starter in 2 years.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
A link.. for what.. You want me to pull up a link from last yr where everyone was all over Delhomme's Nutz.I Totally agree w/ the other poster about Hass going bye bye in 2 yrs
ThePittbully
Footballguy
I gotta go with the Seahawks, but the niners or cards could step up and steal it.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
I am drinking gallons of Cardinal kool-aid. They have the easiest schedule in the NFL this year. Add Russ Grimm Levi Jone, Gandy and Al Johnson to shore up the O-line and Boom this will be the best offense in the NFL. Also added a good FB is Terrell Smith.
They got help in the secondary with Holt and Hood. And added IMO the Best DT in the draft.
Matt is now in his second year and really showed he can do great things, especially in the Monday nighter agianst the Bears. Keep in mind he had only started a couple games prior to that. I would say he played excellent considering Monday night pressure, rookie qb and one of the top D in the NFL.
Cards will win the division. This is the first year people seem to be off the wagon and thats usually when the team actually kicks some A
They got help in the secondary with Holt and Hood. And added IMO the Best DT in the draft.
Matt is now in his second year and really showed he can do great things, especially in the Monday nighter agianst the Bears. Keep in mind he had only started a couple games prior to that. I would say he played excellent considering Monday night pressure, rookie qb and one of the top D in the NFL.
Cards will win the division. This is the first year people seem to be off the wagon and thats usually when the team actually kicks some A
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Seahawks 3rd in voting.Wonder if people who voted for the 49ers/Rams/Cardinals still think the 'Hawks will be 2nd?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I guarantee it.
