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Last year he finished as QB 15 in FBG in scoring...even worse in points per game, which is the one that counts. QB 15-20 is not good. I can't use that. It gets worse -- look at how inconsistent he was: great game one week, simply atrocious the next. You never know when the stinker is coming or when he'll play out of his ###. Rex Grossman's play is a recipe for fantasy failure. If you want further reasoning: he's been injury prone, he's well below average in accuracy, he's a turnover machine, he's been an immature headcase at times, he's crumbled under pressure, and he's a threat to lose his job weekly.
F&L, you don't think he can Improve from last yrs turnovers; I mean he only had 1 true yr of PT. As long as Lovie is coach, Rex is his man. Lovie comes from that Tampa system and he doesn't need a flashy QB to win, just one that moves the chains. If Rex can cut his INTs down by 5 this yr, his #s will be much better. Grossman should not be your weekly starter.. hes a great Back up and QBBC player, once he improves on his #s and cuts down the turnovers.. then he can be comfortably pulgged in as a wekkly starter.Also, he played well in the playoff games until he faced the Colts.. and the Colts took everyone apart in the playoffs, even the might Tom Brady.
Maybe I'm off base but you're describing EXACTLY what I want in my bye week QB. Do you want Rex as your starter? Absolutely not. But give me Rex any day of the week over a McNair/Brunell/Leftwhich "what you see is what you get" kind of QB. Gimme that erratic, spaztard that could win me the week because he just happened to be feeling it for no reason.
apparently hes equal to the value of a 3rd rd rookie pickHaving Olsen as an option in the passing game shouldnt hurt.
Yeap, its his contract yr.. But you can't call Orton a threat, he can't even beat out the old-timer for the #2 spot. Rex was their 1st round pick in 2003 and lead them a Super-Bowl.. don't see how they would let him go.
Fixedapparently hes equal to the value of a 3rd rd rookie / Left over Vet pickHaving Olsen as an option in the passing game shouldnt hurt.
Well if this doesn't bump up Grossman to a top 6 QB, I don't know what would. I can't believe he is working on his accuracy in the offseason, that is almost unprecedented for a QB...............
I know a lot of people feel this way.. but he did lead his team to the SuperBowl; you can not knock that.fsufan said:
The defense led the Bears to the super bowl in spite of poor QB play by Grossman.
Doug Williams, 87 RedskinsHe never played like that again
Trent Dilfer, 2000 Baltimore Ravens
The Bears D were the 3rd worst rated D in the Playoffs last yr w/ 370+ yds allowed in a game, (they did cause the most Fumble Recovers thought (5)). Hetser didn't do anything until the 1st play of the SB so kick returns really didn't matter either.Thats not fair.. The Ravens gave Dilfer a raw deal, kicked him out for Boller
. yeah, that was smart.. lets dump the guy who lead us to the championship for an unproven rook.. Bal is still suffering from that.
Every team that Played Indy in the Playoffs looked awful; even the mighty Tom Brady looked bad in the 2nd half of their game. The Indy D turn it on in the Playoffs; they squished LJ, took apart the Ravens, and then made the Pats
that it was too hot in the Dome.
Ya, exactly........maybe a better question is which QB's won a SB and actually progressed from there.
Troy Aikman
He melted under any pressure. Whenever he was blitzed he'd throw the ball up for grabs or well short of 1st down markers. He was fine when the Bears were playing down hill but it seemed whenever there was an obvious passing situation and there was any kind of biltz on Rex would come up with some head scratching horrible throws. In the 1st half of the season Rex could get away with the long ball and that's what made him successful early on. As teams watched tape and took that away from him he had no consistent answer and still doesn't have one IMO. This year he will have to prove that he can dump the ball off to his 2nd/3rd option and not just the RB in the backfield (which teams were too happy to give him).For all you saying that he was a first year starter, so was Rivers. I think everyone would agree that Rivers >>> Grossman. I voted 15-20 but I'd be interested to see what Grossman adjusted fantasy points work out to considering that they had the easiest strength of schedule in the league and the only qb's that started 16 games and had worse fantasy production were McNair, A. Smith and Carr. On football outsiders they have a stat called DVOA which stands for defense adjusted value over average which essentially breaks down every play by every QB and compares down/distance and results for every play and adjusts it by the strength of the defense. Grossman finished ranked 33rd in the NFL averaging -11.2% worse than an AVERAGE Qb. Can I redo my 15-20 vote?
I bet the Bears wish they could.
He could probably handle the snap on a field goal, though.
fixed
Other then that he's gold.
fsufan said:
refixed broif your going to make points like this... atleast spend a couple of minutes and research it; and if your not going to do that... ATLEAST READ THE OTHER POSTS.
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I traded a mid 3rd for himRon_Mexico said:
Which has been coming out of Philly, not Chicago.
Could I get some
s on that... The McNabb rumor came from a beat writer in Philly; Jeff Gracia wouldn't sign there because they told him that Rex was the starter; people wanted them to acuire the #6 pick inorder to draft Quinn but they refused... what over rumor was there about them replacing Grossman.
First, it hardly needs to be said that while he's been "in the league quite a while now", because of injury he's not had much chance to experience live game action. He's had just one year as starter, in which he finished with more TDs than INTs (how many 1st year starters can claim that?). He was the definition of inconsistency during that one year. At his best, he was as good as anyone...at his worst, he was truly awful. If experience helps him with anything, it would be on the consistency front. If he works at it and learns from that first year, the bad games shouldn't be as bad, and the good games should come more frequently. To suggest that he can't improve seems a bit short-sighted.Second, as was noted, the McNabb rumor started with a Philly reporter who seemingly was just speculating -- no inside info from EITHER team. The Bears have consistently said Grossman is the starter. He's a risk in FFB for the long term until he gets a contract extension -- the extent of the Bears "comments" on his status is that they'll wait till he's proven himself over more than one year before given him big $$$. Smart financial and smart football move with a young guy. But there's potential there and the Bears are giving him one more year to prove it.
Having Olsen as an option in the passing game shouldnt hurt.