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Frank Black

Frank Black

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The comments thread always gets started at some point. May as well start one now for SSL3.

Me

Bulger

Gore

T. Jones

Walker

It was hard to pass up Harrison in the 3rd for Jones, but how many #2 surefire RBs would have been left by my round 4 pick? We'll see.

 
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Frank - presume you mean round 4 and certainly the answer would be slim & none

I started with

SA

R. Brown

KWII

although in hindsight, I wish I had taken Reggie Wayne with the second pick as I could have had a good RB2 in round three - still I got great value with my running backs, and after the WR decimation glad to add a top TE in the third in this format.

 
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bostonfred said:
Interesting that Fro and I went WR/WR/RB/RB and RB/RB/WR/WR, respectively. I got Coles/SMoss, he got Chad Johnson and Fitzgerald, but I got Maroney/McGahee while he got Deuce/Jacobs. Curious what others think of this. My receivers aren't as strong, but I have two guys I feel very confident in at running back, while I feel that his backs are a lot riskier, but he's obviously got stronger, safer, and much more consistent receivers. I'd obviously prefer to have Tomlinson, Boldin, and another good receiver (I'm not a fan of Pasquino's second receiver, but c'est la vie). At that point you can take a RB2BC. But with a late pick, you're not really going to get three studs with your first three picks. I submitted lists to Fro and he can attest that I had a number of RB, WR, TE and QB picks on my lists so it's not like I was planning to go with the same basic draft I had in PDSL1, but this is where I thought the value was - I see a huge dropoff after McGahee, and the number of receivers taken after him bears that out somewhat. Should I have gone WR/WR to start? Should Fro have gone RB/RB? What do you guys think?
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I think this should be in the commentary thread and not the draft thread
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OK.
 
Hard to say right now. I think on "total expected points" he might be slightly ahead on those four players, but you might be ahead on consistent production.

I have always thought that one of the things we should look at in FF is Points Per Game.

When putting together a team in this format, which player is more vauable?

Player A - 20/20/20/20

Player B - 35/10/10/25

 
Captain Hook said:
Hard to say right now. I think on "total expected points" he might be slightly ahead on those four players, but you might be ahead on consistent production.I have always thought that one of the things we should look at in FF is Points Per Game.When putting together a team in this format, which player is more vauable?Player A - 20/20/20/20Player B - 35/10/10/25
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When you add in the positional scarcity at running back (which suggests my approach is better), and the fact that we start 3 WRs (which favors Fro's). Also, Fro is way more likely to burn a pick next round on a back, while I'm going to have a little more flexibility later, but couldn't afford to take advantage of RB value in the third/fourth.
 
bostonfred said:
Captain Hook said:
Hard to say right now. I think on "total expected points" he might be slightly ahead on those four players, but you might be ahead on consistent production.

I have always thought that one of the things we should look at in FF is Points Per Game.

When putting together a team in this format, which player is more vauable?

Player A - 20/20/20/20

Player B - 35/10/10/25
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When you add in the positional scarcity at running back (which suggests my approach is better), and the fact that we start 3 WRs (which favors Fro's). Also, Fro is way more likely to burn a pick next round on a back, while I'm going to have a little more flexibility later, but couldn't afford to take advantage of RB value in the third/fourth.
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Can you clarify?
 
Fullback Fro said:
bostonfred said:
Captain Hook said:
Hard to say right now. I think on "total expected points" he might be slightly ahead on those four players, but you might be ahead on consistent production.

I have always thought that one of the things we should look at in FF is Points Per Game.

When putting together a team in this format, which player is more vauable?

Player A - 20/20/20/20

Player B - 35/10/10/25
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When you add in the positional scarcity at running back (which suggests my approach is better), and the fact that we start 3 WRs (which favors Fro's). Also, Fro is way more likely to burn a pick next round on a back, while I'm going to have a little more flexibility later, but couldn't afford to take advantage of RB value in the third/fourth.
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Can you clarify?
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I think both of the guys you took were good values there. There's a couple other decent backs out there, too. I wouldn't mind having any of the above, but I can't afford to spend my first three picks on two starting positions each week.
 
Domination said:
MillenniuM Presents: Frank Black said:
The comments thread always gets started at some point. May as well start one now for SSL3.

Me

Bulger

Gore

T. Jones

Walker

It was hard to pass up Harrison in the 3rd for Jones, but how many #2 surefire RBs would have been left by my round 4 pick? We'll see.
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I thought for sure he would fall to me in the 4th. :thumbup:
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Well, I wanted a WR here, but what do yo do when Bulger is available late in the 4th?
 
QB: Vince Young

RB: Rudi Johnson

Marion Barber III

WR: Terrell Owens

Vincent Jackson

TE: Tony Gonzalez

PK:

DST:

 
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QB: Brees, 4

RB: FWP, 6, AD, 5, Fred Taylor, 4, Droughns, 9

WR: Roy Williams, 6, Cotchery, 10, Hackett, 8, B. Jones, 4

TE: O. Daniels,

PK:

DST: SD DEF

Was going to take Crumpler, but did a double take when I saw Brees was still on the board in the late 4th. I ended up with a 4th round QB in practically every league now, heh.

 
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QB- Rivers, 7, Cutler, 6

RB- Westy, 5, J Lewis, 7

WR- Harrison, 6, Colston, 4, Horn, 8

TE- Witten, 8

K-

Def-Chicago, 9

Pretty happy so far, but hated watching Brees and Bulger go off the board right in front of me.

 
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Domination said:
QB-

RB- Westy, 5

J Lewis, 7

WR- Harrison, 6

Colston, 4

TE- Witten, 8

K-

Def-

Pretty happy so far, but hated watching Brees and Bulger go off the board right in front of me.
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I understand, but you have a great nucleus so far. Your weakest link so far appears to be Lewis, and he may perform a lot better than many think. There should still be very good QB value for you later. At this point, I like your team better than mine:Bulger

Gore

T. Jones

Walker

Galloway

Harrison + Colston >> Walker + Galloway (even though I think Galloway will rebound some this year with an improved QB situation)

Westy + Lewis > or = Gore + Jones, especially considering that Westy is an absolute stud in this format.

Once again, I wonder about the value of drafting a QB earlier than round 5.

 
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Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.

 
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Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.
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I have him projected as a top 3 QB, I feel he's a very good value pick, but I dont like the risk associated with a possible change of QBs
 
NorrisB said:
Captain Hook said:
Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.
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I have him projected as a top 3 QB, I feel he's a very good value pick, but I dont like the risk associated with a possible change of QBs
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There is no change of QBs in Detroit - THIS year (barring injury)
 
Captain Hook said:
NorrisB said:
Captain Hook said:
Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.
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I have him projected as a top 3 QB, I feel he's a very good value pick, but I dont like the risk associated with a possible change of QBs
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There is no change of QBs in Detroit - THIS year (barring injury)
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that's what Bledsoe thought
 
joffer said:
Captain Hook said:
NorrisB said:
Captain Hook said:
Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.
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I have him projected as a top 3 QB, I feel he's a very good value pick, but I dont like the risk associated with a possible change of QBs
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There is no change of QBs in Detroit - THIS year (barring injury)
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that's what Bledsoe thought
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if the team is playing poorly they will go to the rookie, considering that they will probably be out of contention with about 75% certainty, Im staying away from Kitna.
 
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NorrisB said:
joffer said:
Captain Hook said:
NorrisB said:
Captain Hook said:
Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.
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I have him projected as a top 3 QB, I feel he's a very good value pick, but I dont like the risk associated with a possible change of QBs
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There is no change of QBs in Detroit - THIS year (barring injury)
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that's what Bledsoe thought
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if the team is playing poorly they will go to the rookie, considering that they will probably be out of contention with about 75% certainty, Im staying away from Kitna.
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i'm not. i took him in PDSL4. i think he's got great value. but there's always a chance he gets benched.
 
QB: McNabb

RB: LJ, Foster, Norwood

WR: Driver, Howsyourmamma, B. Edwards

pretty happy so far

 
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Captain Hook said:
Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.
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NorrisB said:
ACP Going with the Homer pick!
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there's a whole SP thread full of non-pitts people talking about big things they expect from Holmes this year. You're a Bungle homer and you think Roeth. sucks. I get it. He went as WR36 in SSL1, as WR30 in SSL2. I just took him as WR31 here. :shrug:
 
joffer said:
NorrisB said:
joffer said:
Captain Hook said:
NorrisB said:
Captain Hook said:
Good question ACP - not so worried about the value here and another year with Martz and having added Calvin Johnson with Williams and Furrey and very good pass catching backs seems to bode well for Kitna.
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I have him projected as a top 3 QB, I feel he's a very good value pick, but I dont like the risk associated with a possible change of QBs
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There is no change of QBs in Detroit - THIS year (barring injury)
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that's what Bledsoe thought
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if the team is playing poorly they will go to the rookie, considering that they will probably be out of contention with about 75% certainty, Im staying away from Kitna.
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i'm not. i took him in PDSL4. i think he's got great value. but there's always a chance he gets benched.
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If I can get him around QB10 thats a great value pick.
 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Captain Hook said:
5-9 Jon Kitna, QB, LIONS
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You really gotta believe in this guy to pull the trigger on him here. I love this guy as a value pick but I have to wonder if you're getting value taking him as the 7th QB.
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I got him at QB10 in SSL1 and couldnt be happier. The Lions are a clueless org. though. Who knows if they will sit him for Stanton this year? They didnt sit him last year for McCown or Orlofsky and they were the worst team in the league last year.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Captain Hook said:
5-9 Jon Kitna, QB, LIONS
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You really gotta believe in this guy to pull the trigger on him here. I love this guy as a value pick but I have to wonder if you're getting value taking him as the 7th QB.
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I got him at QB10 in SSL1 and couldnt be happier. The Lions are a clueless org. though. Who knows if they will sit him for Stanton this year? They didnt sit him last year for McCown or Orlofsky and they were the worst team in the league last year.
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I thnk that they follow the Bengals blueprint, and let Stanton learn the system from Kitna for a year. Next year could very well be the beginning of the Stanton era.
 
Is it just me, or have QB's gone a bit earlier in this draft as compared to the other survivers this year?

 
Bulger (9)

McNair (8)

Gore (6)

T. Jones (10)

Walker (6)

Galloway (10)

Bruce (9)

Watson (10)

Not flashy, but I think it's pretty solid so far. Happy to get Watson in the 6th, who I think can be a top 5 TE this year in this format, now that NE has WRs who can stretch the field.

Still, my WRs after Walker are getting a bit old but hopefully not slowing down too much.

 
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Pretty happy so far, but that comes with finally getting a #1 Pick.

QB - Big Ben (6)

RB - LT2 (7), BJackson (7)

WR - Boldin (9), Evans (6), Calvin Johnson (6)

TE - Alge Crumpler (8)

I couldn't believe that Calvin came back to me at 4.16. That was crazy.

I seem to always wind up with Crumpler, but I'm not disappointed.

Waiting on RB2 for Rounds 6/7 turn, I thought Fred Taylor would fall. Surprised a little, but Brandon Jackson is likely going to get a lot of work in Green Bay. Probably should have considered Norwood a little more, but I still would have gone BJax.

Big Ben has nice upside and they want to throw more. I like him as QB1.

Now that I'm looking at byes, I'm concerned at RB obviously, but I hope I can fix that later.

Probably should have looked first.....

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Pretty happy so far, but that comes with finally getting a #1 Pick.QB - Big Ben (6)RB - LT2 (7), BJackson (7)WR - Boldin (9), Evans (6), Calvin Johnson (6)TE - Alge Crumpler (8)I couldn't believe that Calvin came back to me at 4.16. That was crazy.I seem to always wind up with Crumpler, but I'm not disappointed.Waiting on RB2 for Rounds 6/7 turn, I thought Fred Taylor would fall. Surprised a little, but Brandon Jackson is likely going to get a lot of work in Green Bay. Probably should have considered Norwood a little more, but I still would have gone BJax.Big Ben has nice upside and they want to throw more. I like him as QB1.Now that I'm looking at byes, I'm concerned at RB obviously, but I hope I can fix that later.Probably should have looked first.....
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I don't mean to pee on your parade, but if I'm not going to get the #1 pick, I'm glad you did. I don't understand the excitement about Calvin Johnson. Martz has said he wants to bring Calvin around slowly, and he's the WR2/3 in that offense as of today. He has the potential to be good, but the Tomlinson team doesn't need potential - it needs proven starters. You surrounded him with way too many hopes and dreams for my tastes, like Roethlisberger, who hasn't broken 18 TDs in his career, is coming off a 23 interception season, doesn't run much, and just turned over to a rookie head coach. I think I've been clear over the years that I don't draft based on bye weeks, but while I don't get passing on RB2 until the seventh round for a guy who might or might not play, it's twice as bad that you targetted a guy who shares a bye week with Tomlinson. If I could pick any fantasy bye week this year to avoid being weak, it would be week 7, because there aren't many good fantasy players between Cleveland, San Diego, Carolina and Green Bay. That's going to be one of the highest scoring weeks of the season, and you have no running backs. I suppose if you got amnesty week 6, you'll be able to survive that awful week 7 bye, but you have your QB and two of your top three receivers on bye that week. I would honestly be shocked if this team is around in week 8 because it's built like a redraft team that doesn't have the #1 player in fantasy football.
 
QB: Vick (8), Grossman (9)

RB: Maroney (10), McGahee (8), Betts (4)

WR: Coles (10), Santana Moss (4), Wes Welker (10), Amani Toomer (9)

TE: LJ Smith (5)

Maroney/McGahee is as strong as I could hope to be considering I picked at the end of the first. I think RB goes 13 deep so I was hating life having the 14th pick, but I was fortunate that Old Milwaukee took Steve Smith over Maroney. I actually like Maroney better than a bunch of the guys taken ahead of him (Willie Parker, Larry Johnson, Frank Gore and Clinton Portis). I think I'm higher on McGahee than most, but if his player spotlight thread is any indication, his stock will be going up this summer. I like LJ Smith as the last guy in his tier at TE. Coles gets a ton of receptions but is injury prone and doesn't get a ton of TDs; Moss provides big game numbers. I'm going to need depth at WR. Vick and Hasselbeck were my last two tier one QBs. I like both, but took Hasselbeck because this team was starting to look too much like my PDSL1 team. I guess I just like the flexibility I have with this start - my next six picks will probably be some combination of QB, RB, WR, WR, TE, D, in whichever order the value falls.

Grossman gives me a high scoring, high variance backup QB, which is what I want in this format. I passed on a couple of QBs I like better to get him. With the Vick troubles, I might still take a third QB, but I have other issues to deal with with my 9th/10th picks. Welker is a reasonable WR3 in this format, because I expect him to get a few receptions each week, but I need depth behind him. Toomer is coming off an injury, but was Manning's favorite target until he got hurt, and Manning was a lot better with him than without him. It looks like he's on track to play again this year, so I like the value, but I do have a bunch of high risk guys. Which is why I backed him up with Sinorice Moss. Yes, I wanted the all SMoss team, but I also think Sinorice could be due for a big jump in stats this year. Last year he held out early, and missed a lot of time he should have spent with Eli. This year, he's got a full offseason, he's got another talented young receiver coming in behind him as motivation, and Toomer shouldn't get a heavy workload. This is a prime opportunity for him to make a move. Betts may be my last pick at RB, unless I see someone I really like later.

 
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Hasselbeck (8)

Alex Smith (6)

Duece McAllister (4)

Brandon Jacobs (9)

Michael Turner (7)

Dominic Rhodes (5)

Chad Johnson (5)

Larry Fitzgerald (8)

Michael Clayton (10)

Ashley Lelie (6)

Chris Cooley (4)

Marcus Pollard (8)

Denver D/ST (6)

GreenBay D/ST (7)

 
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Jeff Pasquino said:
bostonfred said:
I don't mean to pee on your parade, but if I'm not going to get the #1 pick, I'm glad you did. I don't understand the excitement about Calvin Johnson. Martz has said he wants to bring Calvin around slowly, and he's the WR2/3 in that offense as of today.
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10171049Here's what I know about Detroit's Calvin Johnson after his first mini-camp: The Lions love their first-round draft choice -– heck, who wouldn't? -– but they won't rush him into the lineup.

That doesn't mean Johnson is missing something in his game. What it means is that offensive coordinator Mike Martz knows how difficult it is for a rookie to make an immediate impact at wide receiver

"You can't assume anything," Martz said. "Torry (Holt) didn't start at the highest level right away. His first eight games were OK, but he didn't become a great receiver for a year or two. (Johnson) will play, and he'll play well. But it will take time."

"I don't know that people know how good a season Mike Furrey had," he said, speaking of last year. "He didn't start two games and still wound up with 98 catches. There are a lot of good players out here."

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
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i agree Bfred that Calvin is already so overrated. I think he went like WR19 in SSL4 or something like that.
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i can't remember ever drafting a rookie WR in any redraft league, and that's going on 10 years now.
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Can't wait until both of you are proven wrong, especially in a Survivor format.
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have you won one of these yet?
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Only my 2nd year doing this, so no..... doesn't mean I didn't learn from it.
 
bostonfred said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
bostonfred said:
I don't mean to pee on your parade, but if I'm not going to get the #1 pick, I'm glad you did. I don't understand the excitement about Calvin Johnson. Martz has said he wants to bring Calvin around slowly, and he's the WR2/3 in that offense as of today.
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10171049Here's what I know about Detroit's Calvin Johnson after his first mini-camp: The Lions love their first-round draft choice -– heck, who wouldn't? -– but they won't rush him into the lineup.

That doesn't mean Johnson is missing something in his game. What it means is that offensive coordinator Mike Martz knows how difficult it is for a rookie to make an immediate impact at wide receiver

"You can't assume anything," Martz said. "Torry (Holt) didn't start at the highest level right away. His first eight games were OK, but he didn't become a great receiver for a year or two. (Johnson) will play, and he'll play well. But it will take time."

"I don't know that people know how good a season Mike Furrey had," he said, speaking of last year. "He didn't start two games and still wound up with 98 catches. There are a lot of good players out here."
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Thanks for the link.I still think CJ2, even if he doesn't start, winds up with 65-75 catches and 900+ yards with several TDs (7+). Given his big play ability, I'll take that as my WR3 - which I usually plan on being "WR3BC" as a general rule. I'm happy that a Top 25-type WR was still on the board for me to lead that effort.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
joffer said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
i agree Bfred that Calvin is already so overrated. I think he went like WR19 in SSL4 or something like that.
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i can't remember ever drafting a rookie WR in any redraft league, and that's going on 10 years now.
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Can't wait until both of you are proven wrong, especially in a Survivor format.
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have you won one of these yet?
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Only my 2nd year doing this, so no..... doesn't mean I didn't learn from it.
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just busting chops. Rookie have value in these. Dont you think Calvin is going too high? His value right now is extremely overrated.
 
bostonfred said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Pretty happy so far, but that comes with finally getting a #1 Pick.QB - Big Ben (6)RB - LT2 (7), BJackson (7)WR - Boldin (9), Evans (6), Calvin Johnson (6)TE - Alge Crumpler (8)I couldn't believe that Calvin came back to me at 4.16. That was crazy.I seem to always wind up with Crumpler, but I'm not disappointed.Waiting on RB2 for Rounds 6/7 turn, I thought Fred Taylor would fall. Surprised a little, but Brandon Jackson is likely going to get a lot of work in Green Bay. Probably should have considered Norwood a little more, but I still would have gone BJax.Big Ben has nice upside and they want to throw more. I like him as QB1.Now that I'm looking at byes, I'm concerned at RB obviously, but I hope I can fix that later.Probably should have looked first.....
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I don't mean to pee on your parade, but if I'm not going to get the #1 pick, I'm glad you did. I don't understand the excitement about Calvin Johnson. Martz has said he wants to bring Calvin around slowly, and he's the WR2/3 in that offense as of today. He has the potential to be good, but the Tomlinson team doesn't need potential - it needs proven starters. You surrounded him with way too many hopes and dreams for my tastes, like Roethlisberger, who hasn't broken 18 TDs in his career, is coming off a 23 interception season, doesn't run much, and just turned over to a rookie head coach. I think I've been clear over the years that I don't draft based on bye weeks, but while I don't get passing on RB2 until the seventh round for a guy who might or might not play, it's twice as bad that you targetted a guy who shares a bye week with Tomlinson. If I could pick any fantasy bye week this year to avoid being weak, it would be week 7, because there aren't many good fantasy players between Cleveland, San Diego, Carolina and Green Bay. That's going to be one of the highest scoring weeks of the season, and you have no running backs. I suppose if you got amnesty week 6, you'll be able to survive that awful week 7 bye, but you have your QB and two of your top three receivers on bye that week. I would honestly be shocked if this team is around in week 8 because it's built like a redraft team that doesn't have the #1 player in fantasy football.
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IIRC, you do these in part to get serious commentary about why someone does what they do, correct?If so, I'll indulge you and give you my thought process on what's going on here. I've already admitted that taking BJax over Norwood may have been an error (wasn't paying close enough attention to that bye situation), but it isn't impossible to overcome.
 
Y'all are killing me. With A. Smith, Losman, Grossman, and Campbell still available, and everyone but me already had QB1...I figured I was safe to put off QB one more round. While I hoped for Smith, I could have lived with any of the other three. :unsure:

BUT...I'll own this league at WR, and I'm very solid at RB. :goodposting:

 
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NorrisB said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
NorrisB said:
ACP Going with the Homer pick!
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there's a whole SP thread full of non-pitts people talking about big things they expect from Holmes this year. You're a Bungle homer and you think Roeth. sucks. I get it. He went as WR36 in SSL1, as WR30 in SSL2. I just took him as WR31 here. :2cents:
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Yeah but about 2 rounds sooner :homer:
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:11:So if you had LT with your first pick, and the next 30 picks off the board were QBs, you wouldn't take a QB with your next pick on the 2-3 turn? You really can't be as dense as you seem. Believe it or not, I don't control the positional runs with 15 random other poeople drafting.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
joffer said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
i agree Bfred that Calvin is already so overrated. I think he went like WR19 in SSL4 or something like that.
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i can't remember ever drafting a rookie WR in any redraft league, and that's going on 10 years now.
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Can't wait until both of you are proven wrong, especially in a Survivor format.
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have you won one of these yet?
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Only my 2nd year doing this, so no..... doesn't mean I didn't learn from it.
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just busting chops. Rookie have value in these. Dont you think Calvin is going too high? His value right now is extremely overrated.
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Yeah I know man - I'm just rather overworked these days and tryin' to keep pace. I forgot how much stuff we do the first 2 weeks of May for the site. :goodposting: on BJax's bye, but I really like him and think he's the clear starter come September. As for CJ2, in Survivor format you really don't need a guy who's going to "move the chains" and be that go-to WR. Think about what they were saying when DET was going after Curtis - they were considering replacing Furrey with Curtis, or moving him to to slot. CJ2 > Curtis, and I really can't see Furrey as more than a move the chains guy. I think they got lightning in a bottle last year with his production (and the rest of the WRs were junk, but he still had great stats). Look deeper at Furrey's numbers though - 98 catches, but just 11.1 YPC. That's not good. Further, he had just 9 catches over 20 yards and ZERO over 40. Of his 6 TDs (kind of low for 98 catches), only one was over 15 yards (a 20 yarder). I think we're in coach-speak world right now, as CJ2 is going to feel some pressure from everywhere - Martz (learn the playbook), the team (we need him to contribute) and the fans (he's our #1 pick and supposed to be the top guy in the draft). I cannot see how he doesn't start.
 
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