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New Injury Report Designations! (1 Viewer)

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Per Profootballtalk.com: In addition to the "out," "doubtful," "questionable," and "probable" tags, the NFL's revised injury-report policy will include categories of "did not participate in practice," "had limited participation in practice," and "fully participated in practice."

Looks as though things might get a little more clear for us FF heads. Thought you might like to know! :thumbdown:

 
dont matter unless the coaches really assign the proper label to the player, like everyone on the titans = questionable every week regardless of hamstring pull or hangnail

 
Per Profootballtalk.com: In addition to the "out," "doubtful," "questionable," and "probable" tags, the NFL's revised injury-report policy will include categories of "did not participate in practice," "had limited participation in practice," and "fully participated in practice."

Looks as though things might get a little more clear for us FF heads. Thought you might like to know! :thumbdown:
The NFL should just be like the NHL, don`t even say if someone is hurt. Or just upper body injury, or lower body injury.
 
Per Profootballtalk.com: In addition to the "out," "doubtful," "questionable," and "probable" tags, the NFL's revised injury-report policy will include categories of "did not participate in practice," "had limited participation in practice," and "fully participated in practice."

Looks as though things might get a little more clear for us FF heads. Thought you might like to know! :thumbdown:
The NFL should just be like the NHL, don`t even say if someone is hurt. Or just upper body injury, or lower body injury.
But people don't bet on hockey
 
dont matter unless the coaches really assign the proper label to the player, like everyone on the titans = questionable every week regardless of hamstring pull or hangnail
Agreed. Until teams begin getting fined for falsely reporting injury status I wouldn't expect this to change. And how can you really catch a team falsely reporting? If dude is doubtful and ends up playing the team just has to say "Whoops. Guess we misjudged that." Nothing happens. The only way to catch a team is if they blatantly under-report, like saying a guy's Out and he plays. I don't know - it's so ambiguous that I don't see this rule changing anything.
 
The real change is that last year they had a "Did not fully participate in practice" now they've expanded that to separately indicate "did not participate" vs. "limited participation" . In a lot of cases, this information would get reported by the beat guys, but now it should be in the report.

One aspect from the original PFT article that is not in the OP is the following "And because "probable" means that there is a virtual certainty that the player will be available for normal duty, the failure of a player who is listed as probable to play on Sunday will be regarded as a violation of the revised policy." If someone is probable, they're going to play. While this should give an additional comfort level when someone is on this list, what I think it really means is that more people will stay at the questionable designation.

 
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dont matter unless the coaches really assign the proper label to the player, like everyone on the titans = questionable every week regardless of hamstring pull or hangnail
Agreed. Until teams begin getting fined for falsely reporting injury status I wouldn't expect this to change. And how can you really catch a team falsely reporting? If dude is doubtful and ends up playing the team just has to say "Whoops. Guess we misjudged that." Nothing happens. The only way to catch a team is if they blatantly under-report, like saying a guy's Out and he plays. I don't know - it's so ambiguous that I don't see this rule changing anything.
I think the league office can find out quickly if someone not practicing and it wasn't reported. The system itself could be getting tightened up...let's hope.
 
dont matter unless the coaches really assign the proper label to the player, like everyone on the titans = questionable every week regardless of hamstring pull or hangnail
True, but the new commish seems to be a bit more firm than the old. Could be new way of doing things...
We shall see. Tags definitely had his favorite teams and let them get away with all sorts of stuff. Some things the NFL seems to be willing to just let go. Already there are plenty of reports of contact drills during mini-camps and I haven't heard of any punishments for that yet. I won't hold my breath about the application of this rule, but the fact that they're implementing it at all is a step in the right direction.
 
dont matter unless the coaches really assign the proper label to the player, like everyone on the titans = questionable every week regardless of hamstring pull or hangnail
True, but the new commish seems to be a bit more firm than the old. Could be new way of doing things...
We shall see. Tags definitely had his favorite teams and let them get away with all sorts of stuff. Some things the NFL seems to be willing to just let go. Already there are plenty of reports of contact drills during mini-camps and I haven't heard of any punishments for that yet. I won't hold my breath about the application of this rule, but the fact that they're implementing it at all is a step in the right direction.
I doubt it become iron clad system, but it makes them get a bit more definitive. All I hope for is that Probable players stop ending up missing on gameday. That is the most frustrating thing...We can all hope!
 
dont matter unless the coaches really assign the proper label to the player, like everyone on the titans = questionable every week regardless of hamstring pull or hangnail
Agreed. Until teams begin getting fined for falsely reporting injury status I wouldn't expect this to change. And how can you really catch a team falsely reporting? If dude is doubtful and ends up playing the team just has to say "Whoops. Guess we misjudged that." Nothing happens. The only way to catch a team is if they blatantly under-report, like saying a guy's Out and he plays. I don't know - it's so ambiguous that I don't see this rule changing anything.
I think the league office can find out quickly if someone not practicing and it wasn't reported. The system itself could be getting tightened up...let's hope.
Can they really though? I thought many teams closed practices to public and media late-week. Maybe I'm wrong...hopefully I'm wrong.
 
dont matter unless the coaches really assign the proper label to the player, like everyone on the titans = questionable every week regardless of hamstring pull or hangnail
Agreed. Until teams begin getting fined for falsely reporting injury status I wouldn't expect this to change. And how can you really catch a team falsely reporting? If dude is doubtful and ends up playing the team just has to say "Whoops. Guess we misjudged that." Nothing happens. The only way to catch a team is if they blatantly under-report, like saying a guy's Out and he plays. I don't know - it's so ambiguous that I don't see this rule changing anything.
I think the league office can find out quickly if someone not practicing and it wasn't reported. The system itself could be getting tightened up...let's hope.
Can they really though? I thought many teams closed practices to public and media late-week. Maybe I'm wrong...hopefully I'm wrong.
NFL Teams have to tape every practice and send a copy to the league office. I believe that rule was created when some guys were practicing, got cut, and then wanted an injury settlement. The NFL uses this to show who was injured and who was not injured.
 
The real change is that last year they had a "Did not fully participate in practice" now they've expanded that to separately indicate "did not participate" vs. "limited participation" . In a lot of cases, this information would get reported by the beat guys, but now it should be in the report.

One aspect from the original PFT article that is not in the OP is the following "And because "probable" means that there is a virtual certainty that the player will be available for normal duty, the failure of a player who is listed as probable to play on Sunday will be regarded as a violation of the revised policy." If someone is probable, they're going to play. While this should give an additional comfort level when someone is on this list, what I think it really means is that more people will stay at the questionable designation.
Is it just me, or does this probable thing not make sense?The whole concept behind "probable" is that a player has a higher probability of playing than not playing BUT STILL has a chance of NOT playing. If there is a "virtual certainty", don't call it probable, call it "certain" or take them off of the list altogether. Don't get this at all. As others have mentioned, if this rule is really enforced as stated above, NO ONE will be (or should be) listed as "probable". What's the incentive?

Welcome to questionable, Mr. 95% probable to play.

 
Fantasy football has fueled the modern, last 15-20 years, rise in the NFL popularity. Accurate information is key for the fantasy decisions. Gamblers also use this information. But, gamblers are going to gamble with the information they have. Fantasy gamers will not continue to play if they keep getting inaccurate information. This is my read anyway.

As far as Roger over Tags. We'll have to see. It's difficult. "hey, we thought the guy was probably, and he didn't play, we misjudged, and he was doubtful." It's a legitimate argument. As for Brady on the list. Prove his arm isn't sore. You can't. That's the flip side. Disclosing the location and severity of injuries is risky business in a game of violence.

 
The real change is that last year they had a "Did not fully participate in practice" now they've expanded that to separately indicate "did not participate" vs. "limited participation" . In a lot of cases, this information would get reported by the beat guys, but now it should be in the report.

One aspect from the original PFT article that is not in the OP is the following "And because "probable" means that there is a virtual certainty that the player will be available for normal duty, the failure of a player who is listed as probable to play on Sunday will be regarded as a violation of the revised policy." If someone is probable, they're going to play. While this should give an additional comfort level when someone is on this list, what I think it really means is that more people will stay at the questionable designation.
Is it just me, or does this probable thing not make sense?The whole concept behind "probable" is that a player has a higher probability of playing than not playing BUT STILL has a chance of NOT playing. If there is a "virtual certainty", don't call it probable, call it "certain" or take them off of the list altogether. Don't get this at all. As others have mentioned, if this rule is really enforced as stated above, NO ONE will be (or should be) listed as "probable". What's the incentive?

Welcome to questionable, Mr. 95% probable to play.
PFT has been beating this drum for a while. They suggested that probable should be renamed and there should be another level between the current "probable" (i.e., virtually certain) and questionable. This would probably be a good idea but, as we've seen with the Titans, anything that's dealing with probabilities of playing is almost impossible to enforce so the teams that are gaming the system will likely continue to do so even with changes.I think the concept behind putting "virtually certain" players on the report is that anyone who is receiving treatment or misses practice needs to be on the report so there is not even the perception of hiding information, but they are also trying to cut down on things like a few years ago when vick was listed as probable, then didn't play against the Pats (starting the whole Brady - Probable - Shoulder thing)

 
PFT has been beating this drum for a while.
It has nothing to do with PFT. It was brought about by the PFWA, of which rumor monger Florio is certainly not a member of. The press also got increased access to players+assistant coaches and some other things. Has nothing to do with Florio
 
Until teams are fined or lose draft picks nothing is going to change.

Shanahan, Belichick and Fisher are solid coaches but the way they "manipulate" the injury report is ridiculous. Hopefully Goodel treats these lame maneuverings with Pac-Man like authority.

 
An article touching on this new policy:

'a Tough Thing to Balance': Redskins, Rest of NFL, Open Practice Under New League Rules

May 10, 7:36 PM (ET) Email this Story

By JOSEPH WHITE

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -Unable to find an open receiver, Jason Campbell scrambled a few yards for a touchdown. When he returned to the huddle, he pounded fists with assistant coach Al Saunders, who greeted the quarterback with the words: "Outstanding, outstanding."

And it all happened in full view of seven journalists.

The scoop of the century? Hardly. It was, however, a noteworthy moment in professional football reporting. Under a new rule announced this week, the Redskins and all NFL teams have to open at least one-third of their spring practices - officially known as "organized team activities" - to reporters.

It was a bit of an adjustment for Joe Gibbs, who freely admits to being paranoid when it comes to exposing any part of his game plan to outsiders. After all, this is a coach who once said he would have to change the entire plan for a minicamp practice if reporters were going to be watching.

"It is a tough thing to balance," Gibbs said. "You've got a lot of people in committees and they're coming up with new rules, and they want to have as much open access as you can. As a coach, obviously lots of times you like everybody to really concentrate, so you like having times when you're by yourself."

The league tweaks its media policy every year, but the latest changes are extensive. They include more access to assistant coaches, an overhaul of the weekly in-season injury reports and even a deadline for teams arriving for the Super Bowl. The rules are designed to lift a veil of secrecy surrounding some teams while giving the league even more exposure.

In a memo that accompanied the new policy, commissioner Roger Goodell told the teams that the changes will help "ensure that information from the people most directly involved in the game, the players and coaches, is widely available to our fans." The commissioner added that the changes are aimed to getting all 32 clubs to "cooperate with the media at the same high level."

"It's very gratifying that commissioner Goodell understands the importance of access for all media and is following through on his promise to open practices, training camp and the locker rooms on a more consistent basis," said David Elfin of the Washington Times, who led the fight for more access during his recent term as president of the Professional Football Writers of America.

The changes will affect several teams more than they will the Redskins. Coaches notorious for keeping the tightest possible control on the press - including New England's Bill Belichick, the New York Giants' Tom Coughlin and the New York Jets' Eric Mangini - will be required to make their assistant coaches available on a regular basis for the first time. Mangini will have to start publishing a legitimate depth chart, making it clear who are his starters and who are his backups.

Gibbs said he doesn't have restrictions on his assistant coaches, although some have been less eager to talk than others. Defensive line coach Greg Blache, who is both colorful and blunt when assessing players, essentially stopped speaking to reporters a year ago, so the media will be eagerly awaiting his verdict on how the line will rebound after last year's difficult season.

As for Thursday's practice, there wasn't much riveting action. The spring practices, conducted without pads, are essentially used to teach the players the game plan that will be refined and revised once training camp begins in late July. Saunders spent as much time explaining the plays to the offense as his players did running them.

There's also a long-held understanding that not everything seen can be reported, especially anything that might give away a team's strategy. It's OK to tell the world about Campbell making a nice scramble, but it would be taboo, for example, to describe a sequence in which the quarterback lined up as a tight end and caught a pass as part of a trick play. (No, that didn't actually happen.)

Even so, Gibbs remains cautious. Once the regular season comes, it's unlikely he'll allow reporters to watch anything much more than the calisthenics and individual drills at the start of each practice. He also feels that more people watching leads to more distractions for the players, which is one reason he didn't allow cameras at Thursday's practice - as was his prerogative under the new rules.

The practice also happened to fall on a wonderfully sunny spring day when it was tempting to go do something other than watch offseason football. That led Gibbs to make a few jokes about the new guidelines after he walked off the field.

"It's going to be a real downer for you guys," he said with a big laugh. "I have to be out here every day - you guys are kind of stupid. If you keep pushing for more open stuff, you're going to be here all day long, all night."
 
PFT has been beating this drum for a while.
It has nothing to do with PFT. It was brought about by the PFWA, of which rumor monger Florio is certainly not a member of. The press also got increased access to players+assistant coaches and some other things. Has nothing to do with Florio
I wasn't trying to imply PFT had anything to do with bringing about the changes in policy, just that he has frequently made it a point to openly discuss his opinion on the issues with the injury reporting system on his site, particularly the fact that the term Probable has been and still is likely a misnomer given how the league officially is supposed to treat it, and that there is a difference between the real usage and the general perception of many fans. He also has pointed out in the past cases where football writers (who almost certainly are members of PFWA) don't clarify the real meaning and sometimes get it flat wrong when they describe it. On a side note, I'm glad for you that you were able to slip a good "rumor monger" zinger in there. I'm sure putting things like that into any thread that references PFT makes you feel better and it adds so much to the discussion of the topic at hand. :goodposting:

 

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