Player Spotlight: Laveranues Coles (1 Viewer)

Jason Wood · May 21, 2007

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Thread Topic: Laveranues Coles, WR, New York Jets

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TheFanatic · May 21, 2007

I see Coles (and the entire Jets O) improving on last year's numbers which were 91 catches for 1098 yards and 6 TD's.

I see a similar number of catches but more yards per catch and a few more TD's.

90 catches

1300 yards

8 TD's

It should push him into the top 15 in non ppr leagues but not really get him anything more than a good WR2 in most leagues....

Blackjacks · May 21, 2007

TheFanatic said:
I see Coles (and the entire Jets O) improving on last year's numbers which were 91 catches for 1098 yards and 6 TD's.I see a similar number of catches but more yards per catch and a few more TD's. 90 catches1300 yards8 TD'sIt should push him into the top 15 in non ppr leagues but not really get him anything more than a good WR2 in most leagues....

So you see a career high in yards and td's? Interesting....atleast you didn't put him at a career high in catches..you went 1 under good job

For us that don't have him in our dynasty league I'll get alittle more realistic80 catches925 yards6 td'sThat puts him in the 20's where I think he belongs. I think the Jets run alot this year.

TheFanatic · May 21, 2007

Blackjacks said:
TheFanatic said:

I see Coles (and the entire Jets O) improving on last year's numbers which were 91 catches for 1098 yards and 6 TD's.

I see a similar number of catches but more yards per catch and a few more TD's.

90 catches

1300 yards

8 TD's

It should push him into the top 15 in non ppr leagues but not really get him anything more than a good WR2 in most leagues....

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So you see a career high in yards and td's? Interesting....atleast you didn't put him at a career high in catches..you went 1 under good job For us that don't have him in our dynasty league I'll get alittle more realistic

80 catches

925 yards

6 td's

That puts him in the 20's where I think he belongs.

I think the Jets run alot this year.

Let's see, I'm predicting 36 more yards than his career high in yards and 1 more TD than his career high in TD's. I predicted 90 catches. He's had 89, 90, and 91 receptions in 3 different seasons. Wow....I really went out on a limb, didn't I? :goodposting:

Oh, and I also think they will run more this year. Which is why I think that Coles' YPC will go up. Less double coverage on Coles and thus more yards per catch, and an extra long TD here and there. So, you get your #### handed to you in the Bush vs MJD thread because you have the same mental understanding of statistics as my 7 year old niece and now you just want to jump into threads like this and take the exact opposite prediction I take as well as a shot or two at me....OK....Fine by me. I'll go toe to toe with you on FFB predictions and knowledge. There's a reason your first round draft pick is good for a lottery pick every other year....

turkishkamel · May 21, 2007

coles had a very good year last year despite being questionable nearly all year with quad issues. he looked a step slow last year because he was, coles is said to be completely healthy for the first time in two years. if he gets a little of his speed back i see a slight increase in yds and tds. penningtons lack of a big arm is gonna hurt coles a little, but he's still a solid WR2.

87 rec

1107 yds

6tds

turkishkamel · May 21, 2007

Blackjacks said:
TheFanatic said:

I see Coles (and the entire Jets O) improving on last year's numbers which were 91 catches for 1098 yards and 6 TD's.I see a similar number of catches but more yards per catch and a few more TD's. 90 catches1300 yards8 TD'sIt should push him into the top 15 in non ppr leagues but not really get him anything more than a good WR2 in most leagues....

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So you see a career high in yards and td's? Interesting....atleast you didn't put him at a career high in catches..you went 1 under good job For us that don't have him in our dynasty league I'll get alittle more realistic80 catches925 yards6 td'sThat puts him in the 20's where I think he belongs. I think the Jets run alot this year.

90 catches is by no means a stretch for coles, he had 91 last year on a bum wheel. if he's healthy, an extra long TD or two could push him toward 1200 yds.

Ministry of Pain · May 21, 2007

L.Coles is value. Usually can be snared in the 6th round or later in many redrafts...posts numbers almost as god as many top 15-20 WRs so we like that. At the end of the day he will have 80-90+ catches, about 1,100+ yds and 5-6+ TD...

85 Rec

1,100 yds

5 TDs

Nothing flashy but he makes a great WR3 in leagues where you have to start that many or implement a 1-2 flex rule on top of starting 2 WR.

He is a liability though as a WR1 or even a WR2 when you are facing people loaded at WR with combos like Holt/Owens, or ChJohnson/R.Wayne...you have to make sure Coles fits into your team and you are not relying on him to win you games.

Chase Stuart · May 21, 2007

A few notes on Coles...

He is the active record holder for consecutive games played by a receiver.

He doesn't drop the ball. He had just 3 drops on 151 targets.

He's targeted a ton near the LOS. I don't know if he's targeted for short passes disproportionately compared to other WR1s, but I'd suspect this is so. I also suspect this is because of the Jets offense the past few years, and not because of Coles' inability to stretch the field. I think this is the explanation for his consistently low yards per reception average.

I also have very little confidence in the idea that the addition of Thomas Jones will help Coles (or Pennington).

Ministry of Pain · May 21, 2007

Chase Stuart said:
A few notes on Coles...He is the active record holder for consecutive games played by a receiver.He doesn't drop the ball. He had just 3 drops on 151 targets.He's targeted a ton near the LOS. I don't know if he's targeted for short passes disproportionately compared to other WR1s, but I'd suspect this is so. I also suspect this is because of the Jets offense the past few years, and not because of Coles' inability to stretch the field. I think this is the explanation for his consistently low yards per reception average. I also have very little confidence in the idea that the addition of Thomas Jones will help Coles (or Pennington).

All good points Chase but he will never be a topline FF WR1...he is pushing it at WR2, but you can't load him in and expect to compete when you face the teams with the Steve Smith/Terrell owens combos and they exist in most leagues...he is a fine NFL WR and serves as a terrific WR3, I play in leagues where we must start 3...or as a 2nd flex position.My point is if you have stud RB like LT...Coles probably fits your team better...but if you have questionable RB you can't expect to rely on Coles to win you games. he is more of a guy that won't lose you a game.

Chase Stuart · May 21, 2007

Ministry of Pain said:
Chase Stuart said:

A few notes on Coles...He is the active record holder for consecutive games played by a receiver.He doesn't drop the ball. He had just 3 drops on 151 targets.He's targeted a ton near the LOS. I don't know if he's targeted for short passes disproportionately compared to other WR1s, but I'd suspect this is so. I also suspect this is because of the Jets offense the past few years, and not because of Coles' inability to stretch the field. I think this is the explanation for his consistently low yards per reception average. I also have very little confidence in the idea that the addition of Thomas Jones will help Coles (or Pennington).

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All good points Chase but he will never be a topline FF WR1...he is pushing it at WR2, but you can't load him in and expect to compete when you face the teams with the Steve Smith/Terrell owens combos and they exist in most leagues...he is a fine NFL WR and serves as a terrific WR3, I play in leagues where we must start 3...or as a 2nd flex position.My point is if you have stud RB like LT...Coles probably fits your team better...but if you have questionable RB you can't expect to rely on Coles to win you games. he is more of a guy that won't lose you a game.

I meant NFL WR1, not FFWR1. I agree that Coles is not in the same league as Johnson, Harrison, Owens or Smith or that ilk.

Burning Sensation · May 21, 2007

Ministry of Pain said:
Chase Stuart said:

A few notes on Coles...He is the active record holder for consecutive games played by a receiver.He doesn't drop the ball. He had just 3 drops on 151 targets.He's targeted a ton near the LOS. I don't know if he's targeted for short passes disproportionately compared to other WR1s, but I'd suspect this is so. I also suspect this is because of the Jets offense the past few years, and not because of Coles' inability to stretch the field. I think this is the explanation for his consistently low yards per reception average. I also have very little confidence in the idea that the addition of Thomas Jones will help Coles (or Pennington).

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All good points Chase but he will never be a topline FF WR1...he is pushing it at WR2, but you can't load him in and expect to compete when you face the teams with the Steve Smith/Terrell owens combos and they exist in most leagues...he is a fine NFL WR and serves as a terrific WR3, I play in leagues where we must start 3...or as a 2nd flex position.My point is if you have stud RB like LT...Coles probably fits your team better...but if you have questionable RB you can't expect to rely on Coles to win you games. he is more of a guy that won't lose you a game.

So basically what you are saying is that Coles should not be picked in the first four rounds? :( 82 catches1060 yards6 TD's

KING · May 21, 2007

i agree, he's no WR1 or 2, but a perfect WR3. a little more valuable in a PPR league. where he might be considered a weak WR2 on a team strong at RB. his high reception total makes up for lack of production in yards, and td's. fairly steady producer, but not great. i just have to wonder how long he, and cotchery can co-exist in an offense. they seem like they are too similar.

80 1000 12.5 4

dickey moe · May 21, 2007

KING said:
i agree, he's no WR1 or 2, but a perfect WR3. a little more valuable in a PPR league. where he might be considered a weak WR2 on a team strong at RB. his high reception total makes up for lack of production in yards, and td's. fairly steady producer, but not great. i just have to wonder how long he, and cotchery can co-exist in an offense. they seem like they are too similar. 80 1000 12.5 4

I'd bet he'll give at least WR2-quality production next season.

Chase Stuart · May 21, 2007

Coles has 425 receptions the past five seasons, which is the 48th most in a five year span (excluding other WRs that played in 2006). I looked at the 47 receivers ahead of him, and the 47 receivers right behind them. Of those 95 WRs, Coles ranks last in TDs/reception (although 2002-2006 Eric Moulds would pass him if we counted him).

I broke those 94 WRs into two groups -- high TD/rec guys and low TD/rec guys. How did they do the next year?

The low TD/rec guys averaged 85/6.7 over the first five years, and then 71/5.3. The high TD/rec guys averaged 89/10.9 over the first five years, and then 74/8.5 the next year. So there's some pretty convincing evidence that we shouldn't expect Coles to have a ton of TDs this year.

Thom Yorke · May 21, 2007

Ministry of Pain said:
L.Coles is value. Usually can be snared in the 6th round or later in many redrafts...posts numbers almost as god as many top 15-20 WRs so we like that. At the end of the day he will have 80-90+ catches, about 1,100+ yds and 5-6+ TD...

85 Rec

1,100 yds

5 TDs

Nothing flashy but he makes a great WR3 in leagues where you have to start that many or implement a 1-2 flex rule on top of starting 2 WR.

He is a liability though as a WR1 or even a WR2 when you are facing people loaded at WR with combos like Holt/Owens, or ChJohnson/R.Wayne...you have to make sure Coles fits into your team and you are not relying on him to win you games.

I agree with the projection, but doesn't the bolded part go without saying? Virtually anyone is a liability at WR2 when you face the team (or two at most) that is absolutely stacked at WR. Odds are, however, that you've got an advantage over that team at RB, because the other owner(s) burned their first and second round picks on wideouts. Occasionally, teams do manage to have good RB corps AND stud WR via trades, but I can't ever recall more than two teams in my 12 team money league having a Holt/Owens type tandem. In my book, Coles is a pretty darn good WR2.

shadyridr · May 22, 2007

Coles had a huge year last year and has always had great chemistry with Pennington. This is an improving offense and Cotchery gives defenses another WR to worry about now. I think Coles makes the leap this year into a #1 WR. He appears fully healed from his toe, plays injured, and showed last year to be a great red zone threat. My projections may be a bit optimistic but I think you can get Coles as a #2WR and he will put up #1 WR numbers. GREAT VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

95 rec, 1300 yds, 7 tds

zoonation · May 22, 2007

shadyridr said:
Coles had a huge year last year and has always had great chemistry with Pennington. This is an improving offense and Cotchery gives defenses another WR to worry about now. I think Coles makes the leap this year into a #1 WR. He appears fully healed from his toe, plays injured, and showed last year to be a great red zone threat. My projections may be a bit optimistic but I think you can get Coles as a #2WR and he will put up #1 WR numbers. GREAT VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

95 rec, 1300 yds, 7 tds

I disagree. Cotchery has shown that on any given Sunday he will be the primary target. It is not a Wayne/Harrison situation either...not enough passing to make them both viable #1s. Coles will have some great games, but will also put up duds when Cotchery is the prime target. Not what you want or need out of a #1 WRColes - 82-1250-6

Decent WR2

Michael Fox Fan · May 22, 2007

While Coles is the better FF prospect, he isn't the more steady option vs. Cotchery. My breakdown of last year's stats shows Cotchery's performance has a lower standard deviation vs. Coles. Over the full season:

Coles:

Avg. receptions per game = 5.7

Std. deviation = 3.0

Cotchery:

Avg. receptions per game = 5.1

Std. deviation = 2.0

Coles:

Avg. yards per game = 68.6

Std. deviation = 45.4

Cotchery:

Avg. yards per game = 60.1

Std. deviation = 30.8

Coles:

Avg. fantasy PPG = 9.1

Std. deviation = 7.2

Cotchery:

Avg. fantasy PPG = 8.3

Std. deviation = 5.2

In the 2nd half of 2006, Cotchery barely outperformed Coles on both an absolute basis, but was much more consistent.

Coles: 45 catches, 492 yards, 3 TDs

Cotchery: 47 catches, 500 yards, 3 TDs

Coles:

Avg. receptions per game = 5.6

Std. deviation = 3.7

Cotchery:

Avg. receptions per game = 5.9

Std. deviation = 1.9

Coles:

Avg. yards per game = 61.5

Std. deviation = 47.8

Cotchery:

Avg. yards per game = 62.5

Std. deviation = 29.3

Coles:

Avg. fantasy PPG = 8.4

Std. deviation = 7.5

Cotchery:

Avg. fantasy PPG = 8.5

Std. deviation = 4.9

These results surprised me.....

zamboni · May 22, 2007

Michael J Fox said:
While Coles is the better FF prospect, he isn't the more steady option vs. Cotchery. My breakdown of last year's stats shows Cotchery's performance has a lower standard deviation vs. Coles. Over the full season:In the 2nd half of 2006, Cotchery barely outperformed Coles on both an absolute basis, but was much more consistent.Coles: 45 catches, 492 yards, 3 TDsCotchery: 47 catches, 500 yards, 3 TDs

Good stat addition overall, but the thing that stands out to me is the 2nd half stats above. Chad become more and more comfortable with Cotch during the course of the season, and I expect that to continue. While the chemistry with Coles will always be there, Chad no longer locks into Coles like he used to - Cotch has emerged as a bona fide threat as well.I see Coles with a tad more receptions, but Cotch with more TDs. Jerricho is turning into a major force in the red zone.

rzrback77 · May 28, 2007

Laverneuous Coles has been a great guy to have on your fantasy team. He has played in all 16 games for six consecutive seasons, even with persistent foot and leg injuries. He is said to be more healthy than he has been in years this off-season. He catches a high percentage of the passes thrown to him, averaging 85 catches per year over the last five years. He has great chemistry with his QB Pennington.

The down side has been a shortage of TDs, having at most six and averaging under five. But in an offense with an improving offensive line, possible opportunities for a few more do exist.

He also seems to be drafted a little later than most guys with this production. He is especially valuable in leagues with ppr scoring. I see his consistent success continuing in 2007.

Coles 140 targets and 85 catches for 1115 yards and 6 TDs

joffer · Aug 10, 2007

did a search on "Coles" and this is the only thread with his name in the title in the last 7 monts. i guess that means he's flying a little low right now. i'm not sure why but i keep drafting this guy. i suppose that means he's underrated to me.

he finished WR14 last year in PPR scoring. i consistently see him getting drafted lower than that (WR18-WR25). i really don't see any cause for a downgrade.

Kleck. · Aug 11, 2007

joffer said:
did a search on "Coles" and this is the only thread with his name in the title in the last 7 monts. i guess that means he's flying a little low right now. i'm not sure why but i keep drafting this guy. i suppose that means he's underrated to me.he finished WR14 last year in PPR scoring. i consistently see him getting drafted lower than that (WR18-WR25). i really don't see any cause for a downgrade.

Flying way low... And neither do I. Coles is money in PPR.

lowman2 · Aug 11, 2007

To me Coles and Cotchery are very good # 3's. I am thinking Leon Washington steals some catches this year. Looks as if they are going to line Leon out wide a lot this year. To get his explosive ability on the field.

Coles= 80 catches, 8tds, 950yds.

jpapadub · Aug 11, 2007

Kleck said:
joffer said:

did a search on "Coles" and this is the only thread with his name in the title in the last 7 monts. i guess that means he's flying a little low right now. i'm not sure why but i keep drafting this guy. i suppose that means he's underrated to me.

he finished WR14 last year in PPR scoring. i consistently see him getting drafted lower than that (WR18-WR25). i really don't see any cause for a downgrade.

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Flying way low... And neither do I. Coles is money in PPR.

amen to that. I think that Cole's targets will drop a bit with the Chad-Cotch mind meld going on. But he's still money right off the line. With the revamped running game and a verified threat on the other side keeping Ds honest, his YPR could push 14.0 this year.

78 receptions, 1060 yards and 7TDs. Serviceable WR2, and Steal WR3. Especially in PPR.

The Man with the Plan · Aug 11, 2007

He hasn't fallen that far. Antsports has him as a 5th round pick. He's like the Rudi Johnson of wide receivers he have little risk (a little more actually) but offer little reward. Not a lot of upside but not a lot of downside either (as long as Chad Pennington stays healthy).

joffer · Aug 11, 2007

The Man with the Plan said:
He hasn't fallen that far. Antsports has him as a 5th round pick. He's like the Rudi Johnson of wide receivers he have little risk (a little more actually) but offer little reward. Not a lot of upside but not a lot of downside either (as long as Chad Pennington stays healthy).

i think i disagree on the not much upside angle. the Jets offense should improve. there's no real WR3 target. no real TE target. TJ and Leon will catch a lot of passes, but Coles targets could increase this year.

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