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Player Spotlight: Torry Holt (1 Viewer)

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2007 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Torry Holt, WR, St. Louis Rams

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I think that with a very generous schedule and his great relationship with Bulger and the system that Holt will bounce back from a "down" year. Adding Drew Bennett and Randy McMichael will help keep him from being double covered.

99 reception

1353 yards

13 TDs

Should be in the top three WRs with S.Smith and Chad Johnson.

 
Holt is a stud. Im going to ignore last years slow stretch. Ill chalk it up to a lingering knee injury and a poor offensive line that forced Bulger to dump the ball off to Jackson more often.

100 rec, 1400 yds, 9 tds

 
Regarding his annual stats, Torry Holt has been one of the most consistent WRs in the NFL and he is one of the good guys who I enjoy rooting for.

A review of his recent stats:

02 - 16 gms 159 targets 91 receptions 1302 yards (14.3 ypc) 4 TDs WR #15

03 - 16 gms 183 targets 117 receptions 1696 yards (14.5 ypc) 12 TDs WR #2

04 - 16 gms 129 targets 94 receptions 1372 yards (14.6 ypc) 10 TDs WR #7

05 - 14 gms 163 targets 102 receptions 1331 yards (13.0 ypc) 9 TDs WR #6

06 - 16 gms 178 targets 93 receptions 1188 yards (12.8 ypc) 10 TDs WR #6

Last season, he had knee issues, but he sucked it up and played through it. He finisshed as the #6 WR despite playing through injuries that needed surgery after the season. Yet he fought on. This year he is healthy again and he will have an uptick, notice the receiving yards in the table above. Odd years yards up.

Torry Holt 165 targets 98 receptions 1372 yards (14.0 ypc) 10 TDs

 
Holt had 48 catches in the last 8 games while playing hurt in most of them.

How anybody can possibly project him to have less than 80 catches is baffling.

He is a highly talented WR, first option in the passing game, and on a strong passing team.

Bennett is pretty good, McMichael is pretty good, but Holt is the stud. The new receiving additions will not take away from Holt's targets, they will take away from Bruce's and Jackson's.

I could see a downtick in TDs with more available redzone options, but not targets and receptions.

Especially considering the Ram's favorable schedule, Holt is money.

90 receptions, 1260 yards, 8 TDs.

 
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Anybody bother to compare this year's schedule to last?????

Sep 9 Carolina 1:00pm

Sep 16 San Francisco 1:00pm

Sep 23 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm

Sep 30 @Dallas 1:00pm

Oct 7 Arizona 1:00pm

Oct 14 @Baltimore 1:00pm

Oct 21 @Seattle 4:15pm

Oct 28 Cleveland 1:00pm

Nov 11 @New Orleans 2:00pm

Nov 18 @San Francisco 5:15pm

Nov 25 Seattle 2:00pm

Dec 2 Atlanta 2:00pm

Dec 9 @Cincinnati 2:00pm

Dec 16 Green Bay 2:00pm

Dec 20 Pittsburgh 9:15pm

Dec 30 @Arizona 5:15pm

The Rams schedule is noticably more difficult.

84/1090/8

Martz aint in town any longer and they don't have their cupcake '06 schedule...you've been notified guppies.

 
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Holt had 48 catches in the last 8 games while playing hurt in most of them.
:bow: You mean when they played this second half schedule:Nov 12 @Seattle Lost 22-24 Nov 19 @Carolina Lost 0-15 Nov 26 San Francisco Won 20-17 Dec 3 Arizona Lost 20-34 Dec 11 Chicago Lost 27-42 (A noticably depleted Bears defense on Bears team that was coasting)Dec 17 @Oakland Won 20-0 Dec 24 Washington Won 37-31 Dec 31 @Minnesota Won 41-21 :banned:
 
73 receptions1068 yards7 Tds
So basically your totals have Torry having his worst year, fantasy wise, he has had since his rookie year back in 1999? Could you explain why?
A combination of age, minor knee surgery, and the addition of Drew Bennett......I think those numbers are bang on.
Holt just turned 31. Do you really think that is a negative worth mentioning? I think people who mention age for Holt are just using that to pile on in support of their view that he won't be as good this year.
 
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Anybody bother to compare this year's schedule to last?????

Sep 9 Carolina 1:00pm - 15.4 (5th best)

Sep 16 San Francisco 1:00pm - 18.5 (T-15th)

Sep 23 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm - 17.7 (T-11th)

Sep 30 @Dallas 1:00pm - 19.1 (T-19th)

Oct 7 Arizona 1:00pm - 20.3 (T-26th)

Oct 14 @Baltimore 1:00pm - 20.5 (T-29th)

Oct 21 @Seattle 4:15pm - 20.3 (T-26th)

Oct 28 Cleveland 1:00pm - 19.1 (T-19th)

Nov 11 @New Orleans 2:00pm - 20.3 (T-26th)

Nov 18 @San Francisco 5:15pm - 18.5 (T-15th)

Nov 25 Seattle 2:00pm - 20.3 (T-26th)

Dec 2 Atlanta 2:00pm - 22.4 (32nd)

Dec 9 @Cincinnati 2:00pm - 19.7 (24th)

Dec 16 Green Bay 2:00pm - 18.5 (15th)

Dec 20 Pittsburgh 9:15pm - 20.5 (T-29th)

Dec 30 @Arizona 5:15pm - 20.3 (T-26th)

The Rams schedule is noticably more difficult.

84/1090/8

Martz aint in town any longer and they don't have their cupcake '06 schedule...you've been notified guppies.
Fantasy points allowed to WRs shown above. You asked if anyone compared this year's schedule to last... did you?I mean, you bolded 4 teams... who in terms of fantasy points allowed to WRs were 5th, T-19th, T-29th, T-26th, T-29th... do you find that impressive?

After week 1 this season, their schedule looks pretty easy for WRs to me... though I realize basing things like this on last year's numbers is not reliable.

Meanwhile, here was last season's schedule:

DEN

@SF

@ARI

DET

@GB

SEA

@SD

KC

@SEA

@CAR

SF

ARI

CHI

@OAK

WAS

@MIN

Strike common opponents, and we're left with this for this year:

Sep 23 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm - 17.7 (T-11th)

Sep 30 @Dallas 1:00pm - 19.1 (T-19th)

Oct 14 @Baltimore 1:00pm - 20.5 (T-29th)

Oct 28 Cleveland 1:00pm - 19.1 (T-19th)

Nov 11 @New Orleans 2:00pm - 20.3 (T-26th)

Dec 2 Atlanta 2:00pm - 22.4 (32nd)

Dec 9 @Cincinnati 2:00pm - 19.7 (24th)

Dec 20 Pittsburgh 9:15pm - 20.5 (T-29th)

Using their average points allowed, these teams would give up 159.3 fantasy points to WRs in 8 games, which would have been 26th best last season if scaled up to 16 games.

... and we had this (non common opponents) last year:

DEN - 16.6 (7th best)

DET - 19.1 (T-20th)

@SD - 16.8 (8th)

KC - 16.9 (9th)

CHI - 18.8 (17th)

@OAK - 13.0 (2nd)

WAS - 19.9 (25th)

@MIN - 21 (31st)

Using their average points allowed, these teams would give up 142.1 fantasy points to WRs in 8 games, which would have been 13th best last season if scaled up to 16 games.

I'm failing to see any basis for your point. You've been notified guppy.

 
This year he is healthy again and he will have an uptick, notice the receiving yards in the table above. Odd years yards up.
Ummmm... what? How on earth can you look at that data and say that Holt sees an increase in odd years? There are only two odd years listed. In the first, he had a career year. In the second, his yards and TDs were both lower than the year before (that's generally known as "down", not "up").
I'm failing to see any basis for your point. You've been notified guppy.
But JWB, some big-name teams appear on St. Louis's schedule! Everyone knows that if some big-name teams appear on your schedule, it MUST be a tough one!I find it amusing when people don't actually do their homework and declare defenses tough based on name recognition or reputation, or declare schedules tough based on the appearance of a few good teams rather than looking at the aggregate whole. Footballguys actually has St. Louis's schedule rated as the SECOND EASIEST SOS FOR WRS IN THE ENTIRE NFL. Seriously, only San Francisco's WRs are projected to have an easier time of it this season than the incomparable Torry Holt.Nice try, though, LHucks. I especially liked the way you called everyone who disagreed with you a guppy, as if that somehow magically made your poorly researched and poorly thought-out point somehow more accurate.
 
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DEN - 16.6 (7th best)DET - 19.1 (T-20th)@SD - 16.8 (8th)KC - 16.9 (9th)CHI - 18.8 (17th)@OAK - 13.0 (2nd)WAS - 19.9 (25th)@MIN - 21 (31st)
Now project what it should be for this year instead of regurgitating stats that we all know...unless of course you truly believe Oakland has the second best pass defense in the league. :popcorn:
 
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Anybody bother to compare this year's schedule to last?????...The Rams schedule is noticably more difficult.84/1090/8Martz aint in town any longer and they don't have their cupcake '06 schedule...you've been notified guppies.
Last year's schedule was cupcake. This year's schedule is slightly less so.... and is still favorable. To say the schedule is difficult is an overstatement. :popcorn: 84 catches??? Based on what?!? :loco: :loco: He had 93 last year, playing hurt for 1/2 the year and with Pace out. What is going to drop him to 84 catches? Teams just might respect the run.... and there are certainly other capable receivers to stop teams from totally gameplanning against Holt. I usually have a lot of respect for your analysis, LHucks, but projecting 84 catches is nutty. I think 90 is on the conservative side.Will their young linemen get better? Good chance. Will the return of Pace, out for those 8 games, help the line? Undoubtedly.Will Holt have more than 84 catches? If he is healthy, I guarantee it. :bag:
 
Anybody bother to compare this year's schedule to last?????...The Rams schedule is noticably more difficult.84/1090/8Martz aint in town any longer and they don't have their cupcake '06 schedule...you've been notified guppies.
Last year's schedule was cupcake. This year's schedule is slightly less so.... and is still favorable. To say the schedule is difficult is an overstatement. :popcorn:
I said it was more difficult, which isn't an overstatement...especially if you believe the NFC West Defense is getting better, which I do.
 
Torry Holt has been the model of consistency the last four years. Averages of 95 - 1300 - 10 rank him high over those four years. Had a recent knee procedure done to reduce pain, and that should only help him get through a 16 game schedule. I can see a repeat of his four year averages, with a possible slight uptick.

98 - 1325 - 10

 
Anybody bother to compare this year's schedule to last?????

Sep 9 Carolina 1:00pm

Sep 16 San Francisco 1:00pm

Sep 23 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm

Sep 30 @Dallas 1:00pm

Oct 7 Arizona 1:00pm

Oct 14 @Baltimore 1:00pm

Oct 21 @Seattle 4:15pm

Oct 28 Cleveland 1:00pm

Nov 11 @New Orleans 2:00pm

Nov 18 @San Francisco 5:15pm

Nov 25 Seattle 2:00pm

Dec 2 Atlanta 2:00pm

Dec 9 @Cincinnati 2:00pm

Dec 16 Green Bay 2:00pm

Dec 20 Pittsburgh 9:15pm

Dec 30 @Arizona 5:15pm

The Rams schedule is noticably more difficult.

84/1090/8

Martz aint in town any longer and they don't have their cupcake '06 schedule...you've been notified guppies.
I think Linehan has definetly shown he can get his #1 wr the ball. In Minn. when he was offensive coordinator he definetly found ways to get Randy the ball and then in Miami he got Chambers the ball alot. There is no doubt in my mind Linehan will get the ball in Torry's hands this year and he will continue to be one of the most consistent wr's in ff.

 
Another :thumbup: year for Holt 95-1300-10.

Yeah, they got Bennett but lost Curtis. Bruce is fading into the sunset and Holt keeps rolling along. He's missed 2 games in his career, he plays hurt, has had 90+ catch's 5 years in a row, had 1300+ yards in 6 of 7 years (was hurt last year and got 1200). Don't overthink this too much guys, Holt is as solid/consistent as they come.

 
Lasat year was a down year. You can note his schedule, but they don't have an ungodly one this year. He's one of the best receiver's in the league, you can't seriously tell me you're going to downgrade him over his schedule aftr he's been elite for the last 5+years. I beleive the schedule would have already gotten to him if it was going to.

96 receptions

1340 yards

11 tds

 

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