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Player Spotlight: Andre Johnson (1 Viewer)

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2007 Player Spotlight Series

Over the course of the offseason, we will be evaluating a multitude of players at every fantasy position. One such way we go about that is through the Player Spotlight series. Think of the Spotlights as a permanent record on some of the more intriguing players for the upcoming season. Each Spotlight will be featured in an article on the main website.

Thread Topic: Andre Johnson, WR, Houston Texans

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I like his chances for a better year with Schaub and a RB upgrade in the backfield

100 rec 1300yds 10tds

 
The last two seasons, AJ's ypc has been awful (11, 10.9). With a new QB, one can only think it will get better. Barring a complete implosion by Schaub, I think he gets back to near 14 ypc, although, don't expect another 100 catch season. I think the TDs go up as well as he is by far the team's best red-zone option.

80 catches

1150 yards recieving

10 TDs

 
JimboJim said:
The last two seasons, AJ's ypc has been awful (11, 10.9). With a new QB, one can only think it will get better. Barring a complete implosion by Schaub, I think he gets back to near 14 ypc, although, don't expect another 100 catch season. I think the TDs go up as well as he is by far the team's best red-zone option.80 catches1150 yards recieving10 TDs
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I tend to agree that the # of catches might dip, but not that far. I'd say somewhere around 90-95 catches, 1200-1300 yards, 12 tds..this should be his best season as a pro..I do think Owen Daniels will steal some of AJ's thunder, but a good TE presence over the middle should open things up for AJ on the outside and down the field...and , while Ahman Green has seen better days, he probably has one 1100-1200 yard season left..he'll give that running game a shot in the arm, and that too will help AJ's stats in the long run. You have to remember, the dude was doubled in coverages last season, and defenses were hell bent on sacking Carr..he still caught 103 balls in the process..now it appears that Daniels , Green , and Shaub give them some legitimacy on offense ( more than previously existed) that will allow them to sustain longer drives and more Time of Possession, meaning more chances for AJ to do his thing..
 
Should get a ton of receptions but his TDs will still be low due to playing for Houston

100 rec, 1300 yds, 7 tds

 
I'd just like to point out that every projection so far in this thread has Andre Johnson setting new career highs for receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. At some point, people have to stop anticipating that a player or system is going to radically change and just accept them for what they are. Andre Johnson has never been anything other than a decent to mediocre #2 fantasy receiver. He has been in the league for four years, why should that suddenly change? It's not like Schaub is a superstar, he hasn't proving anything.

85 receptions

1075 yards

6 touchdowns

A decent #2 or a great #3 who unfortunately is drafted as a #1.

 
Q-Bert said:
I'd just like to point out that every projection so far in this thread has Andre Johnson setting new career highs for receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. At some point, people have to stop anticipating that a player or system is going to radically change and just accept them for what they are. Andre Johnson has never been anything other than a decent to mediocre #2 fantasy receiver. He has been in the league for four years, why should that suddenly change? It's not like Schaub is a superstar, he hasn't proving anything.85 receptions1075 yards6 touchdownsA decent #2 or a great #3 who unfortunately is drafted as a #1.
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no no NO! I will NOT listen to the voice of reason! All players must put up career defining years! It's the whole foundation of the Player Spotlight threads....I warn you Q, you're messing with the very fabric of reality! BE WARNED!!!!Note: for the record, I'd go even a tad lower than those projections. The loss of a legit threat from the other outside WR slot will allow the DC's to really limit AJ's receptions. The O-line isn't much (if any) better, so Shaub isn't getting the time to see this phantom increase in YPC that many are counting on. And the addition of another RB will allow for a bit more sustained drives early, taking down AJ's ludicrous # of targets from last season.
 
IndyHavoc said:
no no NO! I will NOT listen to the voice of reason! All players must put up career defining years! It's the whole foundation of the Player Spotlight threads....I warn you Q, you're messing with the very fabric of reality! BE WARNED!!!!
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Don't do that when I'm drinking my coffee. Now I need to request a new monitor from IT.
 
Kubiak loves AJ. He works hard, is not a headcase, and is a physical specimen that has the "ability" to take over a game. Houston also upgraded the running back position, I think Ahman has a couple of productive years in the tank left.

Now the bad. He plays for Houston. They have a unproven QB. They did not address the o-line aggressively. They failed again to bring in another proven commodity to reside opposite AJ. He will again be the main focus of defenses.

Kubiak will attempt to get his playmaker the ball as much as possible. I think he will also take more shots downfield to him because I believe Schaub will be a upgrade in the pocket presence department. Shcaub also has more mobility than most will give him credit for.

I foresee:

88 catches 1260 yards 9 tds

 
Another positive rating for Andre Johnson coming. He has been targeted heavily as long as he has been in the league and he remains the obvious number one target for the Texans. As heavily as Carr was pressured, their passing offense still had over 3,000 yards twice in the past four years. I believe that their line play will be slightly improved and I believe that Schaub will have a quicker decision making process than Carr. Furthermore, their running game will be improved over last year with Ahman Green. I see some significant improvement for the Texans Offense in 07.

Andre Johnson has had an average of 132 targets over the past four years and a career high of 165 last year. His targets will again be high in 07 and I believe that his ypc will rise back to his 03-04 average of 14.6. The only thing missing with AJ is TDs, he has scored only 17 in four years with a high of 6 in 94. Nice value in non-ppr and excellent player in ppr leagues.

Andre Johnson 160 targets 92 catches 1288 yards (14.0 ypc) and 6 TDs

 
I want to echo some of the thought here about Schaub's effect on AJ's stats. AJ's low YPC so far in his career is not because of any shortcoming on Johnson's part - it's because Carr would not hang in long enough to let Johnson get downfield very often. Some of that is because of the line didnt give him the time to settle in, and unless Eric Winston takes a big step forward and Charles Spencer heals, that could still be an issue - BUT I still think Schaub will get the ball downfield more than Carr because he has more courage than Carr. In the few opportunities we got to watch Schaub with the Falcons, he showed willingness to hang in til the last second and take a big hit to deliver the ball. Maybe being under fire all season will cause him to shell up the same way Carr did, but in the meantime, AJ should get more opportunities to make big plays downfield.

 
I will once again point out that every projection in this thread (excluding mine) had Johnson meeting or exceeding his career highs in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. I understand that people are excited about the potential for improved quarterback play with the trade for Schaub. But remember it is only a potential improvement. There have been lots of quarterbacks who have put up great numbers in small samples that didn't pan out. For every Matt Hasselbeck there are plenty of Rob Johnson's and A.J. Feeley's. I feel like every year in these player spotlights people project Andre Johnson to have 1200+ yards and 10+ Touchdowns. But he has never done it. So, the question is why this year?

 
How's the pass protection doing? If it's near what it was, why would we think a new QB will do any better in terms of hanging in the pocket. As for Carr bailing out early, if you were sacked 250 times you might be a little gunshy too (249 was the actual number over his 5-year career). By comparison, Peyton Manning was sacked 85 times in the same timeframe.

 
Andre Johnson is a physical freak who can get separation off the line, and has the speed to go deep as well. He is the unquestioned #1 WR in Houston. The team will be behind a lot so they will pass often. Even when double teamed, they run WR screens just to get the ball in his hands. I see another year of close to 100 receptions. Yards and TD's are the hard part to project. If they can give the QB time to get AJ deep, his TD number and yards will go up. Also, if he can convert more of his targets into TD's (16 redzone targets - 4 TD, 61 targets inside the 50 - only 5 TD) that would help too. I project some improvement in this area. Overall, this will be a very good, but not elite year for Johnson.

95 - 1225 - 8.

 
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David Yudkin said:
How's the pass protection doing? If it's near what it was, why would we think a new QB will do any better in terms of hanging in the pocket. As for Carr bailing out early, if you were sacked 250 times you might be a little gunshy too (249 was the actual number over his 5-year career). By comparison, Peyton Manning was sacked 85 times in the same timeframe.
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I think some of the blame rests on Carr's shoulders too, but even if you think its 100% the line's fault Carr became so gunshy, and that Schaub will suffer the same fate, he's not conditioned to be gunshy yet - maybe he will be by the end of the season, but he should go down swinging, at least early on. No matter how you slice, even with crappy protection, AJ will have a more courageous QB this year.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
David Yudkin said:
How's the pass protection doing? If it's near what it was, why would we think a new QB will do any better in terms of hanging in the pocket. As for Carr bailing out early, if you were sacked 250 times you might be a little gunshy too (249 was the actual number over his 5-year career). By comparison, Peyton Manning was sacked 85 times in the same timeframe.
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I think some of the blame rests on Carr's shoulders too, but even if you think its 100% the line's fault Carr became so gunshy, and that Schaub will suffer the same fate, he's not conditioned to be gunshy yet - maybe he will be by the end of the season, but he should go down swinging, at least early on. No matter how you slice, even with crappy protection, AJ will have a more courageous QB this year.
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I was asking because I don't often get to see the Texans play. I don't think Carr was faultless in the end results, but I also don't think the pass protection was all that great either.The one variable that has not really been discussed is Schaub. We know he's not Carr . . . but very little else. The assumption by everyone here is that he steps in and is a marked improvement. That may seem like a reasonable conclusion (maybe even a probable one), but we have no idea how Schaub will do as a first time starter.

Carr averaged 2930/14 over the past three years. The Texans really don't have much beyond AJ at this point in terms of a proven WR corps and Moulds did very little last year. Daniels looked good early, but in his final 4 games he only had 9 catches for 80 yards and 0 TD. Ahman Green is an upgrade over whomever they had at RB last year but I'm not sure he's an upgrade over DDavis. I know the staff changed somewhere in the middle so it's not apples to apples, but if I were a defensive coordinator why couldn't I just scheme to neutralize AJ and make someone else beat me?

 
Q-Bert said:
I will once again point out that every projection in this thread (excluding mine) had Johnson meeting or exceeding his career highs in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. I understand that people are excited about the potential for improved quarterback play with the trade for Schaub. But remember it is only a potential improvement. There have been lots of quarterbacks who have put up great numbers in small samples that didn't pan out. For every Matt Hasselbeck there are plenty of Rob Johnson's and A.J. Feeley's. I feel like every year in these player spotlights people project Andre Johnson to have 1200+ yards and 10+ Touchdowns. But he has never done it. So, the question is why this year?
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Besides the perception that schaub is a big improvement over carr look at the schedule:Sep 9 Kansas City 1:00pm Sep 16 @Carolina 1:00pm Sep 23 Indianapolis 1:00pm Sep 30 @Atlanta 1:00pm Oct 7 Miami 1:00pm Oct 14 @Jacksonville 1:00pm Oct 21 Tennessee 1:00pm Oct 28 @San Diego 3:05pm Nov 4 @Oakland 4:15pm Week 10 BYE Nov 18 New Orleans 1:00pm Nov 25 @Cleveland 1:00pm Dec 2 @Tennessee 1:00pm Dec 9 Tampa Bay 1:00pm Dec 13 Denver 8:15pm Dec 23 @Indianapolis 1:00pm Dec 30 Jacksonville 1:00pm By my count that's just six good defenses that Houston has to face. Also AJ has had at least 1,140 yards in two of the past three seasons so projecting him to have 1,200 yards isn't a big reach. I think 10 or so TDs is being unrealistic since he's never had more than six in a season.90 catches for 1,200 yards and 7 TDs
 
Johnson's biggest improvement has been to adjust to double coverage. Last season, he took a significant step forward in that department, becoming a player who can put up solid numbers on a weekly basis. One can expect this production to be steady, but there is also the outside possibility that Shaub could unleash AJ in a way that Carr could not.

98/1300/8

 
A lot can change from one year to the next, but here are the team ranking from 2006 in terms of passing yards allowed . . .

Kansas City - 16

Carolina - 5

Indianapolis - 2

Atlanta - 29

Miami - 6

Jacksonville - 7

Tennessee - 26

San Diego - 18

Oakland - 1

New Orleans - 3

Cleveland - 10

Tennessee - 26

Tampa Bay - 15

Denver - 20

Indianapolis - 2

Jacksonville - 7

I count 9 games against Top 10 passing defenses. As I said, things will change, but I personally would not conclude that this was a soft schedule.

 
One of the biggest misconceptions in the NFL is that the O-line in Houston was mostly responsible for Carr's high sack total year after year. Having closely watched Carr for the past several seasons, it is obvious to me that Carr was wholly responsible for the greater portion of his sacks. The line may be bad, but they are not that bad. Schaub should prove to the world this season just how bad Carr truly was.

Carr did not know how to move in the pocket (I say did because I think his days as an NFL QB are already over). There is no such thing as a "step" up in the pocket, or a "step" to the side in the pocket for Carr. At the slightest HINT of pressure, the guy tucked the ball and ran for it. Hell, even when there was a formed pocket and no pressure, the guy took off. And most times he ran directly into defenders! No other Qb in the NFL is more adept at running into the backs of his O-line or right into the waiting hands of a D-line.

Andre Johnson is going to flourish if Matt Schaub turns out to be a legit QB. He could be average, or even below average and Johnson will improve. I'm looking at top5 numbers this year for Andre. Better production than Chad Johnson, drafted 2 rounds later.

95/1350/9

 
David Yudkin said:
A lot can change from one year to the next, but here are the team ranking from 2006 in terms of passing yards allowed . . .Kansas City - 16Carolina - 5 Indianapolis - 2 Atlanta - 29Miami - 6 Jacksonville - 7Tennessee - 26San Diego - 18 Oakland - 1New Orleans - 3 Cleveland - 10Tennessee - 26Tampa Bay - 15 Denver - 20Indianapolis - 2Jacksonville - 7I count 9 games against Top 10 passing defenses. As I said, things will change, but I personally would not conclude that this was a soft schedule.
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I respect your opinion but as they say "stats only tell half the story". For example do you really believe that oakland, indy and new orleans are the three toughest teams in the league vs the pass? I think it's far more likely that their opponents chose to run against them thus accounting for them giving up so few passing yards. Now houston can choose to run ahman green vs those guys but as has been mentioned before AJ is heavilly targeted so IMO he'll definitely get his vs those d's
 
Wow. People are really high on AJ this year. His ADP is WR10. Of the projections posted so far, in 2006 he would have ranked:

3, 9, 2, 11, 20, 5, 5, 11, 11, 12, 7, 3 for an average of 8th. FBG Staff has him ranked 15th and the average FBG staff projection also is 15th.

In 4 years his year-end rankings have been 23, 22, 47, and 18.

 
FTRWRTR said:
David Yudkin said:
A lot can change from one year to the next, but here are the team ranking from 2006 in terms of passing yards allowed . . .Kansas City - 16Carolina - 5 Indianapolis - 2 Atlanta - 29Miami - 6 Jacksonville - 7Tennessee - 26San Diego - 18 Oakland - 1New Orleans - 3 Cleveland - 10Tennessee - 26Tampa Bay - 15 Denver - 20Indianapolis - 2Jacksonville - 7I count 9 games against Top 10 passing defenses. As I said, things will change, but I personally would not conclude that this was a soft schedule.
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I respect your opinion but as they say "stats only tell half the story". For example do you really believe that oakland, indy and new orleans are the three toughest teams in the league vs the pass? I think it's far more likely that their opponents chose to run against them thus accounting for them giving up so few passing yards. Now houston can choose to run ahman green vs those guys but as has been mentioned before AJ is heavilly targeted so IMO he'll definitely get his vs those d's
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I don't make up the numbers, so clearly NFL teams did not put up big passing numbers against those teams. Perhaps they found it a lot easier running the ball against those teams than passing it. IND allowed 5.3 yards per rush. If you could get a first down in two running plays that would probably make more sense then risking an incompletion, not taking any time off the clock, and potentially giving the ball back to the Colts' offense.On the flip side, I think teams like DEN and SD were likely harder than their ranking indicated because running was tough going.
 
David Yudkin said:
Wow. People are really high on AJ this year. His ADP is WR10. Of the projections posted so far, in 2006 he would have ranked:3, 9, 2, 11, 20, 5, 5, 11, 11, 12, 7, 3 for an average of 8th. FBG Staff has him ranked 15th and the average FBG staff projection also is 15th.In 4 years his year-end rankings have been 23, 22, 47, and 18.
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:bag: I honestly feel like my projections (and I'm the outlier in this thread at WR 20) are on the optimistic side. With a new unproven quarterback I think there is a lot of risk in that Houston offense.
 
David Yudkin said:
FTRWRTR said:
David Yudkin said:
A lot can change from one year to the next, but here are the team ranking from 2006 in terms of passing yards allowed . . .Kansas City - 16Carolina - 5 Indianapolis - 2 Atlanta - 29Miami - 6 Jacksonville - 7Tennessee - 26San Diego - 18 Oakland - 1New Orleans - 3 Cleveland - 10Tennessee - 26Tampa Bay - 15 Denver - 20Indianapolis - 2Jacksonville - 7I count 9 games against Top 10 passing defenses. As I said, things will change, but I personally would not conclude that this was a soft schedule.
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I respect your opinion but as they say "stats only tell half the story". For example do you really believe that oakland, indy and new orleans are the three toughest teams in the league vs the pass? I think it's far more likely that their opponents chose to run against them thus accounting for them giving up so few passing yards. Now houston can choose to run ahman green vs those guys but as has been mentioned before AJ is heavilly targeted so IMO he'll definitely get his vs those d's
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I don't make up the numbers, so clearly NFL teams did not put up big passing numbers against those teams. Perhaps they found it a lot easier running the ball against those teams than passing it. IND allowed 5.3 yards per rush. If you could get a first down in two running plays that would probably make more sense then risking an incompletion, not taking any time off the clock, and potentially giving the ball back to the Colts' offense.On the flip side, I think teams like DEN and SD were likely harder than their ranking indicated because running was tough going.
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And, any discussion of schedule is irrelevant unless you are talking about the difference from last year. I just looked at the 2006 spotlight for Andre Johnson and one of the positives listed in the write up was his easy schedule. So unless his 2007 schedule is significantly different from his 2006 schedule I see no relevance in discussing it.
 
David Yudkin said:
FTRWRTR said:
David Yudkin said:
A lot can change from one year to the next, but here are the team ranking from 2006 in terms of passing yards allowed . . .Kansas City - 16Carolina - 5 Indianapolis - 2 Atlanta - 29Miami - 6 Jacksonville - 7Tennessee - 26San Diego - 18 Oakland - 1New Orleans - 3 Cleveland - 10Tennessee - 26Tampa Bay - 15 Denver - 20Indianapolis - 2Jacksonville - 7I count 9 games against Top 10 passing defenses. As I said, things will change, but I personally would not conclude that this was a soft schedule.
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I respect your opinion but as they say "stats only tell half the story". For example do you really believe that oakland, indy and new orleans are the three toughest teams in the league vs the pass? I think it's far more likely that their opponents chose to run against them thus accounting for them giving up so few passing yards. Now houston can choose to run ahman green vs those guys but as has been mentioned before AJ is heavilly targeted so IMO he'll definitely get his vs those d's
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I don't make up the numbers, so clearly NFL teams did not put up big passing numbers against those teams. Perhaps they found it a lot easier running the ball against those teams than passing it. IND allowed 5.3 yards per rush. If you could get a first down in two running plays that would probably make more sense then risking an incompletion, not taking any time off the clock, and potentially giving the ball back to the Colts' offense.On the flip side, I think teams like DEN and SD were likely harder than their ranking indicated because running was tough going.
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One thing to note is that 9 of those opponents are the same from last year. Comparing the schedule to last year, the Texans played 9 teams in the top 10 last year as well. This year is swapping out:Buf - #7Phi - #9NE - #12NYJ - #14Was - #23Dal - #24NYG - #28For these new teams:NO - #3Car - #5TB - #15KC - #16SD - #18Den - #20Atl - #29I'm not sure I would rank the schedule this year as significantly that much more harder than last year.~~~~~~~~~With the lack of a WR2, we should likely expect a continued large number of targets for AJ, but at the same time a continued low ypr as defenses will be able to key on him. Thankfully, Ahman Green should provide a solid ground game which was an element sorely missing for the Texans last year and provide at least a little bit of relief for Johnson. However, Ahman's receiving skills should pull some targets as Dayne/Lundy/Taylor weren't exactly known for their hands.Schaub is the big x-factor, after watching Carr devolve the last two seasons I have a very hard time believing Schaub can't be anything other than an improvement. Those few of us who have followed the Texans can tell you that a bad o'line stopped being the main reason and more of an excuse for Carr 2 seasons ago. Who knows what Schaub can do, so I'll be conservative and assume he can at least make it to 3,000 yards and ~15 TD's. I think his upside is much greater though.In sum, I expect an uptick in ypr and a slight increase in TD's with a slight decrease in catches (it's rare for a WR to get 100 catches, much less 2 years in a row.) This is a team still building and with some pieces missing so I expect a better year than last year, but not lights out.92 recs, 12.5ypr, 1150 yards, 6TD's - 151 points or WR #15Edit: For spacing
 
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We're talking AJ in another thread, so here's my .02$ before i forget:

I agree with Q-bert, Johnson is a guy like Chris Chambers, a great talent who just doesnt seem to rise to the elite level. Maybe because of cricumstances, but who knows. The bottom line is he has had a career with a mediocre QB, spotty o-line, and dicey running game... and this year he has a mediocre QB, spotty o-line, and dicey running game with different personel.

Maybe Matt Schaub is the second coming of John Elway. But thats a big risk on a guy with 2 career starts and a passer rate of 69.2 (Carr is 75.5), on a team that gives up 50 sacks a season. There is really just not a big enough body of work to say much about Schaub with any confidence. Thinking he's going to step right into a new system as the starter and outperform Carr _substantially_ is risky to say the least.

I actually think Schaub's numbers will be similar to what Carrs were last season, and Andre Johnson may actually take a hit as the new guy tries not to lock in on a single receiver.

90 catches, 1080 yards, 5tds

 
Here's AJ's ADP and year-end rankings from MFL . . .

2007: WR 11 . . . ?

2006: WR 19 . . . WR 18

2005: WR 9 . . . WR 47

2004: WR 14 . . . WR 22

2003: WR 42 . . . WR 23

He really was only a great acquisition his rookie year and last year was pretty much a break even.

 
David Yudkin said:
How's the pass protection doing? If it's near what it was, why would we think a new QB will do any better in terms of hanging in the pocket. As for Carr bailing out early, if you were sacked 250 times you might be a little gunshy too (249 was the actual number over his 5-year career). By comparison, Peyton Manning was sacked 85 times in the same timeframe.
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We will find out week 1 when the Texans suit up a legitimate NFL QB for the 1st time in the franchise's history.
 
kensat30 said:
One of the biggest misconceptions in the NFL is that the O-line in Houston was mostly responsible for Carr's high sack total year after year. Having closely watched Carr for the past several seasons, it is obvious to me that Carr was wholly responsible for the greater portion of his sacks. The line may be bad, but they are not that bad. Schaub should prove to the world this season just how bad Carr truly was.

Carr did not know how to move in the pocket (I say did because I think his days as an NFL QB are already over). There is no such thing as a "step" up in the pocket, or a "step" to the side in the pocket for Carr. At the slightest HINT of pressure, the guy tucked the ball and ran for it. Hell, even when there was a formed pocket and no pressure, the guy took off. And most times he ran directly into defenders! No other Qb in the NFL is more adept at running into the backs of his O-line or right into the waiting hands of a D-line.

Andre Johnson is going to flourish if Matt Schaub turns out to be a legit QB. He could be average, or even below average and Johnson will improve. I'm looking at top5 numbers this year for Andre. Better production than Chad Johnson, drafted 2 rounds later.

95/1350/9
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We have a winner! However you forgot the numerous times he actually ran out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing it away. Another Carr sack blamed on the O-line. Didn't you just love the way he would not only tuck the ball but put his head down as he hauled ### towards the sidelines? Never looking up for an open receiver. Absolutely pathetic. My favorite sack is the one where he DOES step up (as shown on NFL Network months ago) but WATCHES AJ run a crossing route wide open in front of him and he still doesn't throw the ball. He took the sack instead. He actually seems to like being sacked. To sum up the above post, Carr sucks, always has, always will.

Oh yeah, 95-1450 12 TD's

 
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Carr sucked, fine. That in no way, shape or form means Schaub will be good.

I think we all agree Carr played a role in the offensive line looking terrible. However, this line isn't a great one. At BEST it is a mediocre line.

Schaub is a first year starter. He didn't exactly look like Peyton Manning in the time he played behind Vick. He may or he may not turn out to be a quality qb but I'm dumbfounded at how many people are projecting career highs for AJ.

If he's terrible he might lock onto AJ. He might constantly dump passes off to Ahman Green. He might be the next Tom Brady and start spreading the ball around.

There are a LOT of unkowns about this situation and yet he's going to have this monster year?

 
AnonymousBob said:
Carr sucked, fine. That in no way, shape or form means Schaub will be good. I think we all agree Carr played a role in the offensive line looking terrible. However, this line isn't a great one. At BEST it is a mediocre line. Schaub is a first year starter. He didn't exactly look like Peyton Manning in the time he played behind Vick. He may or he may not turn out to be a quality qb but I'm dumbfounded at how many people are projecting career highs for AJ. If he's terrible he might lock onto AJ. He might constantly dump passes off to Ahman Green. He might be the next Tom Brady and start spreading the ball around. There are a LOT of unkowns about this situation and yet he's going to have this monster year?
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:popcorn: I see no reason to predict anything out of line with his career averages thus far. This is still a bad team with a bad offense (terrible o-line, no decent WR2/3, average-at-best RBs). Schaub may or may not be a major upgrade over Carr, but even if he is I think he'll take some time to settle in and start producing. AJ is a quality player, but his situation will continue to hold him back this year.85 catches for 1000 yards and 6 TDs
 
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