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Player Spotlight: Joey Galloway (1 Viewer)

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2007 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Joey Galloway, WR, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2005 tam | 16 | 2 4 2.0 0 | 83 1287 15.5 10 || 2006 tam | 16 | 2 9 4.5 0 | 62 1057 17.0 7 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+So when he last had a competent QB in this system Galloway puts up nearly 1300 yards and double digit TDs. You give him a completely incompetent QB/O-line for the majority of '06 and he dips by 21 receptions but his Y/R go up amazingly given his age. Subsequently, he is underrated by the "experts" and all the sharks point and laugh at the FF magazine rankings as they swipe him in the middle rounds of the WCOFF.

Everybody and their mom is underrating this guy because he's not loud like a T.O. and because he's not young like a Larry Fitzgerald.

1250

85 receptions

9 TDs

Value Play City in '07.

 
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I've historically been a very big fan of Joey Galloway. I've owned him and started him more often than not for the past two seasons (Galloway and Glenn both, actually). With that said, I think this is the year that I finally jump off of Galloway's bandwagon.

Why? I'm not concerned about his age, or at least not entirely. I'm not convinced that he's losing a step after he averaged 17 yards per catch last year. What I *AM* concerned with was his dramatic dropoff in production last year- and I'm not talking about his season-ending numbers, which were still very decent (he was WR15 according to FBGs scoring). No, I'm talking about the dramatic dropoff in catch%, yards per target, and points per target- it was really Galloway's insane number of targets that kept him afloat as a fantasy player. Beyond just the stats, watching him play, there were long periods of time where Galloway simply disappeared last year, including two games where he failed to even register a catch. When you're 28 and you see a sudden and precipitous drop in production, then it's much easier for me to chalk it up to a bad year... but when you're about to turn 36 and you see a sudden drop, then it's time for me to start asking whether or not this is a sign of things to come.

Now, I think you could easily argue that perhaps the drop in effectiveness corresponded with a decline in the quality of his situation, and that's a very valid argument, but the question then becomes whether anything is really going to be any better this season. I don't see much reason for hope, that's for sure, since the only big addition is a journeyman backup-type QB who's more known for his WCO than his arm strength.

Another very important point that needs to be made is that only four times in NFL history has a WR gone for 1,000 yards at age 36- and three of those times were Jerry Rice (the other was Jimmy Smith). Likewise, only five times in NFL history has a WR gone for 7+ TDs after age 36- and four of those times were Jerry Rice (the other was Charlie Joiner). Hell, only seven times in NFL history has a WR not named "Jerry Rice" gone for 100 total fantasy points after age 36 (Charlie Joiner x3, Jimmy Smith, Chris Lofton, Tim Brown, Chris Carter).

In other words, this likely going to be the year where I finally stop drafting Joey Galloway.

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The only question on Galloway is whether he can stay healthy. He still has all of the skills that made him a gamebreaker at OSU. TB's abundance of experienced QBs should help his consistency. I'd say he splits the difference on the past two seasons.

73 Receptions

1134 yards

16.2 AVG

8 TD

 
LHUCKS said:
SSOG said:
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So who's going to catch the ball in TB?Subquestion, you're projecting a huge dropoff in production despite a likely dramatic improvement in QB play?
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I'm much higher on Michael Clayton than most people are, I think Stovall is going to take a big step forward, and I think that the WRs in general are going to be far less involved in the passing game in TB than they are in most other cities, so I expect a lot of that production to go to Pittman, Caddy, Alex Smith, and Stevens.To answer your subquestion, I'm not projecting a dropoff in TB's production, I'm projecting a dropoff in Galloway's production. First off, I don't see the improvement in QB play as nearly as dramatic as you make it out to be- Garcia will be playing with his 5th different team in 5 years, and Philly's offense has made such luminaries as Koy Detmer and A.J. Feeley look pretty darn great in limited action. Second off, Garcia's strength has NEVER been the deep ball, and Galloway has never been at his best in the short-to-intermediate game.Before anointing Garcia the savior of Joey Galloway's numbers, try and look what happened to Philly's WRs last season when Garcia took over. McNabb played from weeks 1-10, and Garcia played from weeks 11-16 (I'm not counting week 17, since the game that week was meaningless).Reggie Brown w/ McNabb: 3 catches for 58 yards (19.3 per) and .67 TDsReggie Brown w/ Garcia: 3.2 catches for 49 yards (15.3 per) and .5 TDsStallworth w/ McNabb: 4.2 for 89 yards (21.2 per) and .6 TDsStallworth w/ Garcia: for 2.8 for 47 yards (16.6 per) and .33 TDsBoth receivers saw a substantial drop in ypc, yards, and TDs once Garcia took the reins. And this was in Garcia's good year- you don't want to see what sort of numbers the WRs put up when playing with him in 2004 or 2005.
 
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Before anointing Garcia the savior of Joey Galloway's numbers
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I don't believe much needs to be saved...Joey had 1070 last year with arguably the worst starting QB in the league chucking the rock for most of the season.
 
SSOG said:
Reggie Brown w/ McNabb: 3 catches for 58 yards (19.3 per) and .67 TDsReggie Brown w/ Garcia: 3.2 catches for 49 yards (15.3 per) and .5 TDsStallworth w/ McNabb: 4.2 for 89 yards (21.2 per) and .6 TDsStallworth w/ Garcia: for 2.8 for 47 yards (16.6 per) and .33 TDsBoth receivers saw a substantial drop in ypc, yards, and TDs once Garcia took the reins.
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Are you counting the last game at ATL where both Stallworth and Brown only made brief appearances? PHI had clinched a playoff spot and the game was meaningless. Donte and Brown both had zero catches that game with a combined two targets.
 
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Reggie Brown w/ McNabb: 3 catches for 58 yards (19.3 per) and .67 TDs

Reggie Brown w/ Garcia: 3.2 catches for 49 yards (15.3 per) and .5 TDs

Stallworth w/ McNabb: 4.2 for 89 yards (21.2 per) and .6 TDs

Stallworth w/ Garcia: for 2.8 for 47 yards (16.6 per) and .33 TDs

Both receivers saw a substantial drop in ypc, yards, and TDs once Garcia took the reins.
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Are you counting the last game at ATL where both Stallworth and Brown only made brief appearances? PHI had clinched a playoff spot and the game was meaningless. Donte and Brown both had zero catches that game with a combined two targets.
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McNabb played from weeks 1-10, and Garcia played from weeks 11-16 (I'm not counting week 17, since the game that week was meaningless).
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SSOG said:
LHUCKS said:
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Reggie Brown w/ McNabb: 3 catches for 58 yards (19.3 per) and .67 TDs

Reggie Brown w/ Garcia: 3.2 catches for 49 yards (15.3 per) and .5 TDs

Stallworth w/ McNabb: 4.2 for 89 yards (21.2 per) and .6 TDs

Stallworth w/ Garcia: for 2.8 for 47 yards (16.6 per) and .33 TDs

Both receivers saw a substantial drop in ypc, yards, and TDs once Garcia took the reins.
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Are you counting the last game at ATL where both Stallworth and Brown only made brief appearances? PHI had clinched a playoff spot and the game was meaningless. Donte and Brown both had zero catches that game with a combined two targets.
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McNabb played from weeks 1-10, and Garcia played from weeks 11-16 (I'm not counting week 17, since the game that week was meaningless).
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Galloway's strength? Catching bombs. Garcia's weakness? Throwing the deepball. I see a decline for Galloway who is also getting up there in age. Although I do think he still makes a solid red zone threat but in a lackluster offense.

65 rec, 1000 yds, 6 tds

 
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LHUCKS said:
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Before anointing Garcia the savior of Joey Galloway's numbers
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I don't believe much needs to be saved...Joey had 1070 last year with arguably the worst starting QB in the league chucking the rock for most of the season.
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Good point. I will bump up my receiving yds slightly.
 
I think another wr will emerge in Tampa this year, just not sure which one. If I have to choose, Id bet on Stovall. I still think Galloway will make a decent #2 or very good #3 FFwr

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For those of you down on Jeff Garcia's arm strength... Gradkowski had one of the worst arms I've seen in a while when I watched him play last year. So I don't think Garcia is a downgrade in that respect.

Situationally, I don't think he's any worse off than being really really old.

Tampa should've locked up Tim Rattay to a long term contract though and made him the starter. :hophead:

 
I also factor in that Caddy is being worked into the passing game and all reports state that he has been catching the ball well in OTA's.

So now you have a better game QB, a more versatile RB, and an improved OL who can give the QB some time in the pocket (in general, a more dynamic offense). I like his numbers to match 2005's, if not exceed, based upon the above:

77/1300/10

 
dudaman said:
I also factor in that Caddy is being worked into the passing game and all reports state that he has been catching the ball well in OTA's.So now you have a better game QB, a more versatile RB, and an improved OL who can give the QB some time in the pocket (in general, a more dynamic offense). I like his numbers to match 2005's, if not exceed, based upon the above:77/1300/10
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I think a lot of people come into the spotlight thread and just throw out numbers without really understanding what they're projecting.Last year, there were 4 WRs who went for 1300 yards. There were 5 WRs that went for 10 TDs. The only WR that went for both 1300 yards *AND* 10 TDs was the ageless Marvin Harrison (who is a Hall of Famer who happens to be getting the ball from another Hall of Famer protected by one of the best OLs in the league and with coverages softened by probably the best WR2 in the league and one of the best running games in the league). 1300/10 would have ranked Galloway as the #3 WR in the entire NFL. Do you REALLY believe that the soon-to-be-36 Joey Galloway, playing on the still-bad-until-further-notice Tampa Bay Buccaneers, is going to be the third best fantasy WR in the entire NFL next year?
 
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dudaman said:
I also factor in that Caddy is being worked into the passing game and all reports state that he has been catching the ball well in OTA's.So now you have a better game QB, a more versatile RB, and an improved OL who can give the QB some time in the pocket (in general, a more dynamic offense). I like his numbers to match 2005's, if not exceed, based upon the above:77/1300/10
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I think a lot of people come into the spotlight thread and just throw out numbers without really understanding what they're projecting.Last year, there were 4 WRs who went for 1300 yards. There were 5 WRs that went for 10 TDs. The only WR that went for both 1300 yards *AND* 10 TDs was the ageless Marvin Harrison (who is a Hall of Famer who happens to be getting the ball from another Hall of Famer protected by one of the best OLs in the league and with coverages softened by probably the best WR2 in the league and one of the best running games in the league). 1300/10 would have ranked Galloway as the #3 WR in the entire NFL. Do you REALLY believe that the soon-to-be-36 Joey Galloway, playing on the still-bad-until-further-notice Tampa Bay Buccaneers, is going to be the third best fantasy WR in the entire NFL next year?
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Or to take a slightly different, but related, approach - Galloway has never achieved 1,300 yds in a season. He's reached double-digit TDs three times. Looking at Galloway's stats while in Tampa:2004: 33 catches; 416 yds; 5 TDs (in 7 starts) --> projects to ~70 catches; 900 Yds and 10-11 TDs in a full season2005: 83 catches; 1,287 yds; 10 TDs (16 starts) 2006: 62 catches; 1,057 yds; 7 TDs (14 starts) --> projects to ~70 catches; 1,200 yds and 8 TDs in a full seasonSo it isn't unreasonable to project Galloway for 1,100-1,200 yds and 8-10 TDs......IF you believe he can stay healthy and start 16 games. And he's only done that once in the past 4 years. As SSOG pointed out, he's also going to be 36 years old before the season ends; at some point, he'll slow down, maybe as soon as this year.Playing it safe, I'll pencil in Galloway for 65 catches; 1,000 yards; 7 TDs.
 
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SSOG said:
dudaman said:
I also factor in that Caddy is being worked into the passing game and all reports state that he has been catching the ball well in OTA's.

So now you have a better game QB, a more versatile RB, and an improved OL who can give the QB some time in the pocket (in general, a more dynamic offense). I like his numbers to match 2005's, if not exceed, based upon the above:

77/1300/10
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I think a lot of people come into the spotlight thread and just throw out numbers without really understanding what they're projecting.Last year, there were 4 WRs who went for 1300 yards. There were 5 WRs that went for 10 TDs. The only WR that went for both 1300 yards *AND* 10 TDs was the ageless Marvin Harrison (who is a Hall of Famer who happens to be getting the ball from another Hall of Famer protected by one of the best OLs in the league and with coverages softened by probably the best WR2 in the league and one of the best running games in the league). 1300/10 would have ranked Galloway as the #3 WR in the entire NFL. Do you REALLY believe that the soon-to-be-36 Joey Galloway, playing on the still-bad-until-further-notice Tampa Bay Buccaneers, is going to be the third best fantasy WR in the entire NFL next year?
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So you need a 4th reason I see? How about TB has the 4th weakest opponent strength of schedule. Teams like Tennessee, Arizona, Falcons x 2 (including week 15), Houston (week 14).I see your point, and it is a good one. But I see a lot of reasons to believe he can hit at least two out of those three milestones

 
The only problem with Galloway last year was consistency. The end of the year numbers were very good considering his ADP, I just didn't like the occasional low scoring or even zero point games. I think with improved QB play (practically a given) Galloway will be better and more consistent this year. That's even if someone steps up and is a respectable #2 WR for Tampa. That'll help Galloway if anything.

 
Here are the WR that were 36 or older that had scored 100 fantasy points in a season (all 12 of them). Note that there are only 5 of them not named Jerry Rice.

1 Jerry Rice wr 1998 36 82 1157 14.11 9 169.70

2 Jerry Rice wr 2001 39 83 1139 13.72 9 167.90

3 Jerry Rice wr 2002 40 92 1211 13.16 7 165.10

4 Jimmy Smith wr 2005 70 1023 14.61 6 138.30

5 Charlie Joiner wr 1985 38 59 932 15.80 7 135.20

6 Cris Carter wr 2001 36 73 871 11.93 6 123.50

7 Jerry Rice wr 2000 38 75 805 10.73 7 122.30

8 Charlie Joiner wr 1984 37 61 793 13.00 6 115.30

9 James Lofton wr 1992 36 51 786 15.41 6 114.60

10 Jerry Rice wr 1999 37 67 830 12.39 5 114.30

11 Charlie Joiner wr 1983 36 65 960 14.77 3 114.00

12 Tim Brown wr 2002 36 81 930 11.48 2 106.9

If Galloway repeated his 148.60 points from last year, he'd rank 4th on this list. As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points. And it would also be a career year in terms of receptions and just off his career bests in receiving yards and TD.

I won't say that it won't happen, but Galloway would certainly be exploring unchartered territory.

 
David Yudkin said:
Here are the WR that were 36 or older that had scored 100 fantasy points in a season (all 12 of them). Note that there are only 5 of them not named Jerry Rice.1 Jerry Rice wr 1998 36 82 1157 14.11 9 169.70 2 Jerry Rice wr 2001 39 83 1139 13.72 9 167.90 3 Jerry Rice wr 2002 40 92 1211 13.16 7 165.10 4 Jimmy Smith wr 2005 70 1023 14.61 6 138.30 5 Charlie Joiner wr 1985 38 59 932 15.80 7 135.20 6 Cris Carter wr 2001 36 73 871 11.93 6 123.50 7 Jerry Rice wr 2000 38 75 805 10.73 7 122.30 8 Charlie Joiner wr 1984 37 61 793 13.00 6 115.30 9 James Lofton wr 1992 36 51 786 15.41 6 114.60 10 Jerry Rice wr 1999 37 67 830 12.39 5 114.30 11 Charlie Joiner wr 1983 36 65 960 14.77 3 114.00 12 Tim Brown wr 2002 36 81 930 11.48 2 106.9 If Galloway repeated his 148.60 points from last year, he'd rank 4th on this list. As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points. And it would also be a career year in terms of receptions and just off his career bests in receiving yards and TD.I won't say that it won't happen, but Galloway would certainly be exploring unchartered territory.
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LHUCKS said:
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As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points.
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Where did he finish as a 34 year old. :thumbup:
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3rd highest for a 34-year-old. But riddle me this, Batman . . .Prior to 2006, Jeff Garcia had exactly one good game since 2003. People keep saying how Garcia, 37 in his own right, is a huge upgrade over the 06 QB corps and I'm not sure "huge" would be the right adjective.And Galloway has never played in three straight seasons without missing any time.
 
David Yudkin said:
LHUCKS said:
David Yudkin said:
As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points.
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Where did he finish as a 34 year old. :thumbup:
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3rd highest for a 34-year-old. But riddle me this, Batman . . .Prior to 2006, Jeff Garcia had exactly one good game since 2003. People keep saying how Garcia, 37 in his own right, is a huge upgrade over the 06 QB corps and I'm not sure "huge" would be the right adjective.And Galloway has never played in three straight seasons without missing any time.
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A) Chris Simms was the QB for 10 of the 16 games in Galloway's big year...and he gave Galloway those numbers playing as a rookieB) If Garcia beats out Simms, one would think he'd be better than Simms unless Gruden is trying to loseC) An aged Gannon put up monster numbers as a geriatric in Gruden's system as did Jerry Rice and Tim BrownD) Galloway may very well miss time, but his ppg should be way above his ADP value and for redrafts ppg is what I really care about...players that produce when I start them.
 
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LHUCKS said:
David Yudkin said:
LHUCKS said:
David Yudkin said:
As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points.
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Where did he finish as a 34 year old. :goodposting:
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3rd highest for a 34-year-old. But riddle me this, Batman . . .Prior to 2006, Jeff Garcia had exactly one good game since 2003. People keep saying how Garcia, 37 in his own right, is a huge upgrade over the 06 QB corps and I'm not sure "huge" would be the right adjective.And Galloway has never played in three straight seasons without missing any time.
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A) Chris Simms was the QB for 10 of the 16 games in Galloway's big year...and he gave Galloway those numbers playing as a rookieB) If Garcia beats out Simms, one would think he'd be better than Simms unless Gruden is trying to loseC) An aged Gannon put up monster numbers as a geriatric in Gruden's system as did Jerry Rice and Tim BrownD) Galloway may very well miss time, but his ppg should be way above his ADP value and for redrafts ppg is what I really care about...players that produce when I start them.
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In 2005, the Bucs had no other player at any position have more than 372 receiving yards and 2 TD. Do you think there will be other players this year that will do better than that?
 
David Yudkin said:
LHUCKS said:
David Yudkin said:
LHUCKS said:
David Yudkin said:
As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points.
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Where did he finish as a 34 year old. :goodposting:
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3rd highest for a 34-year-old. But riddle me this, Batman . . .Prior to 2006, Jeff Garcia had exactly one good game since 2003. People keep saying how Garcia, 37 in his own right, is a huge upgrade over the 06 QB corps and I'm not sure "huge" would be the right adjective.And Galloway has never played in three straight seasons without missing any time.
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A) Chris Simms was the QB for 10 of the 16 games in Galloway's big year...and he gave Galloway those numbers playing as a rookieB) If Garcia beats out Simms, one would think he'd be better than Simms unless Gruden is trying to loseC) An aged Gannon put up monster numbers as a geriatric in Gruden's system as did Jerry Rice and Tim BrownD) Galloway may very well miss time, but his ppg should be way above his ADP value and for redrafts ppg is what I really care about...players that produce when I start them.
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In 2005, the Bucs had no other player at any position have more than 372 receiving yards and 2 TD. Do you think there will be other players this year that will do better than that?
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I expect an increase in team passing yards. Additionally, I have Stovall as the second leading WR at around 550. Plenty of room for Joey to get his.
 
David Yudkin said:
Here are the WR that were 36 or older that had scored 100 fantasy points in a season (all 12 of them). Note that there are only 5 of them not named Jerry Rice.1 Jerry Rice wr 1998 36 82 1157 14.11 9 169.70 2 Jerry Rice wr 2001 39 83 1139 13.72 9 167.90 3 Jerry Rice wr 2002 40 92 1211 13.16 7 165.10 4 Jimmy Smith wr 2005 70 1023 14.61 6 138.30 5 Charlie Joiner wr 1985 38 59 932 15.80 7 135.20 6 Cris Carter wr 2001 36 73 871 11.93 6 123.50 7 Jerry Rice wr 2000 38 75 805 10.73 7 122.30 8 Charlie Joiner wr 1984 37 61 793 13.00 6 115.30 9 James Lofton wr 1992 36 51 786 15.41 6 114.60 10 Jerry Rice wr 1999 37 67 830 12.39 5 114.30 11 Charlie Joiner wr 1983 36 65 960 14.77 3 114.00 12 Tim Brown wr 2002 36 81 930 11.48 2 106.9 If Galloway repeated his 148.60 points from last year, he'd rank 4th on this list. As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points. And it would also be a career year in terms of receptions and just off his career bests in receiving yards and TD.I won't say that it won't happen, but Galloway would certainly be exploring unchartered territory.
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How about 35 year olds?Galloway will be 35 until Week 12. After that he obviously becomes useless
 
Andy Hicks said:
David Yudkin said:
Here are the WR that were 36 or older that had scored 100 fantasy points in a season (all 12 of them). Note that there are only 5 of them not named Jerry Rice.1 Jerry Rice wr 1998 36 82 1157 14.11 9 169.70 2 Jerry Rice wr 2001 39 83 1139 13.72 9 167.90 3 Jerry Rice wr 2002 40 92 1211 13.16 7 165.10 4 Jimmy Smith wr 2005 70 1023 14.61 6 138.30 5 Charlie Joiner wr 1985 38 59 932 15.80 7 135.20 6 Cris Carter wr 2001 36 73 871 11.93 6 123.50 7 Jerry Rice wr 2000 38 75 805 10.73 7 122.30 8 Charlie Joiner wr 1984 37 61 793 13.00 6 115.30 9 James Lofton wr 1992 36 51 786 15.41 6 114.60 10 Jerry Rice wr 1999 37 67 830 12.39 5 114.30 11 Charlie Joiner wr 1983 36 65 960 14.77 3 114.00 12 Tim Brown wr 2002 36 81 930 11.48 2 106.9 If Galloway repeated his 148.60 points from last year, he'd rank 4th on this list. As for LHUCKS prediction, his Galloway numbers would be the highest total ever for a 36-year-old by 10 points. And it would also be a career year in terms of receptions and just off his career bests in receiving yards and TD.I won't say that it won't happen, but Galloway would certainly be exploring unchartered territory.
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How about 35 year olds?Galloway will be 35 until Week 12. After that he obviously becomes useless
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All seasons are tabulated by the age a player will be at the completion of the season.
 
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I've historically been a very big fan of Joey Galloway. I've owned him and started him more often than not for the past two seasons (Galloway and Glenn both, actually). With that said, I think this is the year that I finally jump off of Galloway's bandwagon.Why? I'm not concerned about his age, or at least not entirely. I'm not convinced that he's losing a step after he averaged 17 yards per catch last year. What I *AM* concerned with was his dramatic dropoff in production last year- and I'm not talking about his season-ending numbers, which were still very decent (he was WR15 according to FBGs scoring). No, I'm talking about the dramatic dropoff in catch%, yards per target, and points per target- it was really Galloway's insane number of targets that kept him afloat as a fantasy player. Beyond just the stats, watching him play, there were long periods of time where Galloway simply disappeared last year, including two games where he failed to even register a catch. When you're 28 and you see a sudden and precipitous drop in production, then it's much easier for me to chalk it up to a bad year... but when you're about to turn 36 and you see a sudden drop, then it's time for me to start asking whether or not this is a sign of things to come.Now, I think you could easily argue that perhaps the drop in effectiveness corresponded with a decline in the quality of his situation, and that's a very valid argument, but the question then becomes whether anything is really going to be any better this season. I don't see much reason for hope, that's for sure, since the only big addition is a journeyman backup-type QB who's more known for his WCO than his arm strength.Another very important point that needs to be made is that only four times in NFL history has a WR gone for 1,000 yards at age 36- and three of those times were Jerry Rice (the other was Jimmy Smith). Likewise, only five times in NFL history has a WR gone for 7+ TDs after age 36- and four of those times were Jerry Rice (the other was Charlie Joiner). Hell, only seven times in NFL history has a WR not named "Jerry Rice" gone for 100 total fantasy points after age 36 (Charlie Joiner x3, Jimmy Smith, Chris Lofton, Tim Brown, Chris Carter).In other words, this likely going to be the year where I finally stop drafting Joey Galloway.55/800/4
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I think this is an outstanding post! :wub:
 
SSOG said:
I've historically been a very big fan of Joey Galloway. I've owned him and started him more often than not for the past two seasons (Galloway and Glenn both, actually). With that said, I think this is the year that I finally jump off of Galloway's bandwagon.Why? I'm not concerned about his age, or at least not entirely. I'm not convinced that he's losing a step after he averaged 17 yards per catch last year. What I *AM* concerned with was his dramatic dropoff in production last year- and I'm not talking about his season-ending numbers, which were still very decent (he was WR15 according to FBGs scoring). No, I'm talking about the dramatic dropoff in catch%, yards per target, and points per target- it was really Galloway's insane number of targets that kept him afloat as a fantasy player. Beyond just the stats, watching him play, there were long periods of time where Galloway simply disappeared last year, including two games where he failed to even register a catch. When you're 28 and you see a sudden and precipitous drop in production, then it's much easier for me to chalk it up to a bad year... but when you're about to turn 36 and you see a sudden drop, then it's time for me to start asking whether or not this is a sign of things to come.Now, I think you could easily argue that perhaps the drop in effectiveness corresponded with a decline in the quality of his situation, and that's a very valid argument, but the question then becomes whether anything is really going to be any better this season. I don't see much reason for hope, that's for sure, since the only big addition is a journeyman backup-type QB who's more known for his WCO than his arm strength.Another very important point that needs to be made is that only four times in NFL history has a WR gone for 1,000 yards at age 36- and three of those times were Jerry Rice (the other was Jimmy Smith). Likewise, only five times in NFL history has a WR gone for 7+ TDs after age 36- and four of those times were Jerry Rice (the other was Charlie Joiner). Hell, only seven times in NFL history has a WR not named "Jerry Rice" gone for 100 total fantasy points after age 36 (Charlie Joiner x3, Jimmy Smith, Chris Lofton, Tim Brown, Chris Carter).In other words, this likely going to be the year where I finally stop drafting Joey Galloway.55/800/4
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:hey: I couldn't agree more. YOur point about only four times havinga WR over 36 put up 1,000 yards is really compelling. I think that some of the younger WRs for TB will emerge this year and supplant Joey.
 
For those hung up about Joey Galloways age, there have only been 23 recorded WRs since 1960 who are 36.

How many of this list were WR1's?

NAME POS YR AGE EXP G REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT

1 Jerry Rice wr 1998 36 14 16 82 1157 14.11 9 169.70

2 Jimmy Smith wr 2005 36 14 16 70 1023 14.61 6 138.30

3 Cris Carter wr 2001 36 15 16 73 871 11.93 6 123.50

4 James Lofton wr 1992 36 15 16 51 786 15.41 6 114.60

5 Charlie Joiner wr 1983 36 15 16 65 960 14.77 3 114.00

6 Tim Brown wr 2002 36 15 16 81 930 11.48 2 106.90

7 Drew Hill wr 1992 36 14 16 60 623 10.38 3 80.30

8 Tony Martin wr 2001 36 12 14 37 548 14.81 3 72.80

9 Henry Ellard wr 1997 36 15 16 32 485 15.16 4 72.50

10 Irving Fryar wr 1998 36 15 16 48 556 11.58 2 72.20

11 Rod Smith wr 2006 36 12 16 52 512 9.85 3 68.70

12 Frank Lewis wr 1983 36 13 11 36 486 13.50 3 66.60

13 Don Maynard wr 1971 36 14 14 21 408 19.43 2 53.00

14 Art Monk wr 1993 36 14 16 41 398 9.71 2 51.70

15 Ricky Proehl wr 2004 36 15 16 34 497 14.62 0 50.60

16 Keenan McCardell wr 2006 36 15 14 36 437 12.14 0 44.50

17 Cliff Branch wr 1984 36 13 14 27 401 14.85 0 40.10

18 Andre Reed wr 2000 36 16 6 10 103 10.30 1 16.30

19 Charley Taylor wr 1977 36 14 12 14 158 11.29 0 15.80

20 Karl Hankton wr 2006 36 9 16 3 31 10.33 0 3.10

21 Dwight Stone wr 2000 36 14 12 0 0 0 0.30

22 Gino Cappelletti wr 1970 36 11 13 0 0 0 0.00

23 Harold Jackson wr 1982 36 15 1 0 0 0 0.00

In reverse order:

Harold Jackson was well travelled at this stage of his career and only appear in 1 game. Not the No.1

For reference he was almost 37 by the time the season ended.

Gino Cappelletti was well past his prime in 1970 and was the No.3 at best in making no receptions for the Patriots

For reference he had a March birthday

Dwight Stone hadn't had more than 1 catch in a season for 6 years before playing for the Jets. Pure special teamer

Almost 37 by seasons end

Karl Hankton - Another special teamer

Turned 36 in July of 2006

Charley Taylor - Dropped like a stone in his 36th year in 1977. Exhibit A for the prosecution, but this was 30 years ago.

Turned 36 early in the playing season

Andre Reed - Moved to Washington in his 36th year after years of service at Buffalo. 4th string at best

Almost 37 by the seasons end.

Cliff Branch - Could be exhibit 2 for the prosecution. May have been No.1 at seasons start, but dipped to 3rd by end of season

Turned 36 just before start of the season

Keenan McCardell - Exhibit 3 for the Prosecution. Did nothing after a very good year as a 35 year old

He was practically 37 by the end of the season

Ricky Proehl - No.3 or 4 receiver. Was never going to post huge stats

Closer to 37 by the time the season ended (March birthday)

Art Monk - Had shown serious decline the year before dropping to 38th ranked receiver the year before

Turned 36 late in the season

Don Maynard - We're going back almost 40 years here. Big drop in production after the age of 34

Another January birthday so was almost 37 by the end of the year

Frank Lewis - Missed a lot of time through injury? in his 35th and 36 year.

Turned 36 just before season commenced

Rod Smith - With the arrival of Javon Walker, although there were doubts on his health, wasn't the No.1

Turned 36 in the May before the start of the season

Irving Fryar - Exhibit 4 for the prosecution, and maybe the best evidence so far. Went from the top 10 to mediocrity

Turned 36 early in the season

Henry Ellard - Dropped from 33rd to 55th. Although his 33rd ranking was a 1000 yard season at age 35.

Turned 36 just before season commenced

Tony Martin - Was moving from club to club at this stage and ranked 77th the year before

Turned 36 at the start of the season

Drew Hill - Moved from Houston to Atlanta. Was ranked 14th the previous 2 seasons, but at a new club for his 36th year.

Turned 36 early in the season.

Tim Brown - Had 81 catches in his 36th year, but with Jerry Rice phenomenal and a young Jerry Porter wasn't the No.1 or dominant No.2

Turned 36 just before season commenced

Charlie Joiner Improved his ranking from 29 to 20th in his 36th year. First exhibit for team Galloway

Turned 36 halfway through the season

James Lofton Went from 9th to 19th in his 36th year. 2nd exhibit for team Galloway

Turned 36 just before season commenced

Cris Carter Went from 10th to 32nd, but the odd thing is he only started to tank once he hit 36. Through the first 10 weeks was much better. Was the No.2 behind Moss

Turned 36 late in the season

Jimmy Smith Improved from 21st to 19th and was almost 37 as well. Exhibit 3 for Team Galloway

As mentioned, almost 37 by seasons end

Jerry Rice No surprise to see Jerry Rice at the top of this list. After missing all but 1 game of the previous year was very good. Turned 36 mid way through the season. A youngTerrell Owens had probably assumed the mantle of No.1

In conclusion, very few 36 year old receivers are the true No.1 at a club and those that were haven't done too bad. Joey Galloway will be a very young 36 year old according to this list and with only 23 full examples and in reality less than 10 players to compare him to he is very good value. Fitness is much better now than when a lot of the players listed were at age 36, he's a No.1 WR and hasn't declined to any noticeable degree, so I definitely think Galloway can be in the top 3 of this list.

 
Andy -

Anything but #1 or #2 on that list would have to be a disapointment based on some of the lofty projections people have for Galloway. Clocking in at #3 would barely crack the Top 30 WRs.

My bigger concern for Galloway is not his age but his team. I know the trendy thing is to look at the 02 Raiders and point to all the things they did. But the 07 Bucs are not the 07 Raiders.

TB should do better than last year, but I still don't see them being an offensive force this season.

 
David Yudkin said:
My bigger concern for Galloway is not his age but his team. I know the trendy thing is to look at the 02 Raiders and point to all the things they did.
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I actually projected for less than what he had in 2005, when he played for a rookie QB for most of the year. 2002 is supporting evidence, but 2005 and 2006 were relied on more heavily as baselines for my '07 projection.
 
Andy Hicks said:
Fitness is much better now than when a lot of the players listed were at age 36, he's a No.1 WR and hasn't declined to any noticeable degree, so I definitely think Galloway can be in the top 3 of this list.
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Fitness as a whole may be better now than in the past, but Galloway has a long and storied injury history. Also, it's untrue that he hasn't declined to any noticeable degree- as I said, he saw a noticeable drop in catch% and yards per target last season. In fact, his catch% was 44% last year! That's pretty brutal. Here is a complete list of WRs who were targeted 50+ times last year who finished with a lower catch% than Galloway.Antonio Bryant (44%)Randy Moss (43%)Greg Jennings (43%)Alvis Whitted (43%)Ashley Lelie (41%)Brandon Lloyd (41%)Rashied Davis (39%)Chris Chambers (39%)That's it. Out of the 82 WRs with 50+ targets last season, EIGHT of them had a worse catch% than Galloway. Personally, I'd call that "declining to a noticeable degree"...
 
I think people are forgetting the qualitative analysis...Galloway looked awesome the last two years...he always gets seperation and is usually the fastest guy on the field.

Just last year Gruden stated he was the fastest guy on the team.

We're not talking about a WR that has showed signs of age...this guy is still unebelievably one of the fastest WRs in the game.

Darrel Green was running in the Fastest Man competition well past the age of 36, so let's not pretend this is something that's never occurred before.

Those that think outside of the box will be rewarded by their Galloway picks this year.

Nice ranking Hicks. :popcorn:

 
SSOG said:
Fitness as a whole may be better now than in the past, but Galloway has a long and storied injury history.
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The best dataset is the most recent dataset and Galloway has been relatively healthy since he left Dallas.
 
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SSOG said:
Andy Hicks said:
Fitness is much better now than when a lot of the players listed were at age 36, he's a No.1 WR and hasn't declined to any noticeable degree, so I definitely think Galloway can be in the top 3 of this list.
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Fitness as a whole may be better now than in the past, but Galloway has a long and storied injury history. Also, it's untrue that he hasn't declined to any noticeable degree- as I said, he saw a noticeable drop in catch% and yards per target last season. In fact, his catch% was 44% last year! That's pretty brutal. Here is a complete list of WRs who were targeted 50+ times last year who finished with a lower catch% than Galloway.Antonio Bryant (44%)Randy Moss (43%)Greg Jennings (43%)Alvis Whitted (43%)Ashley Lelie (41%)Brandon Lloyd (41%)Rashied Davis (39%)Chris Chambers (39%)That's it. Out of the 82 WRs with 50+ targets last season, EIGHT of them had a worse catch% than Galloway. Personally, I'd call that "declining to a noticeable degree"...
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And you don't think his low catch percentage has anything to do with Bruce Gradkowski?
 
Michael J Fox said:
And you don't think his low catch percentage has anything to do with Bruce Gradkowski?
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Exactly...ask anybody who watched all the games and they'll tell you Galloway was consistently beating his man but Gradkowski either made an errant pass or just didn't see him altogether.Gradkowski is the single biggest reason why Galloway is undervalued this year...and I love it.
 
SSOG said:
Michael J Fox said:
And you don't think his low catch percentage has anything to do with Bruce Gradkowski?
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Ike Hilliard- 62%Maurice Stovall- 54%Michael Clayton- 51%
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interesting. statistics can tell any story - but this is interesting. of course, nobody in their right mind would ever rotate coverage toward hilliard, stovall or clayton - so this might just tell us that galloway was the only receiving threat on tampa last year (which is true), so defenses doubled him frequently. i'm not a tampa homer, thus have no idea if this is true.it does give me pause for thought.
 
Michael J Fox said:
SSOG said:
Michael J Fox said:
And you don't think his low catch percentage has anything to do with Bruce Gradkowski?
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Ike Hilliard- 62%Maurice Stovall- 54%Michael Clayton- 51%
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interesting. statistics can tell any story - but this is interesting. of course, nobody in their right mind would ever rotate coverage toward hilliard, stovall or clayton - so this might just tell us that galloway was the only receiving threat on tampa last year (which is true), so defenses doubled him frequently. i'm not a tampa homer, thus have no idea if this is true.it does give me pause for thought.
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look at the YPCs
 
David Yudkin said:
Andy -Anything but #1 or #2 on that list would have to be a disapointment based on some of the lofty projections people have for Galloway. Clocking in at #3 would barely crack the Top 30 WRs.My bigger concern for Galloway is not his age but his team. I know the trendy thing is to look at the 02 Raiders and point to all the things they did. But the 07 Bucs are not the 07 Raiders.TB should do better than last year, but I still don't see them being an offensive force this season.
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123.1 points, which would be 3rd on that list would have put him at 27th last year and 26th in 2005, roughly where you have him ranked this year. I have him a little bit higher and if my projections are correct he would rank a clear 2nd on that list.I don't think the Tampa Offense has anywhere to go but up.Last year they ranked 28th in Passing Yardage, Passing TD's and Rushing Yardage, with the yards per pass dead last in the league, yet Galloway had a 17 YPC average? Galloway could have easily thrown the towel in, but didn't. Even a slight improvement in the offense would be a positive for Galloway
 
SSOG said:
Andy Hicks said:
Fitness is much better now than when a lot of the players listed were at age 36, he's a No.1 WR and hasn't declined to any noticeable degree, so I definitely think Galloway can be in the top 3 of this list.
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Fitness as a whole may be better now than in the past, but Galloway has a long and storied injury history. Also, it's untrue that he hasn't declined to any noticeable degree- as I said, he saw a noticeable drop in catch% and yards per target last season. In fact, his catch% was 44% last year! That's pretty brutal. Here is a complete list of WRs who were targeted 50+ times last year who finished with a lower catch% than Galloway.Antonio Bryant (44%)Randy Moss (43%)Greg Jennings (43%)Alvis Whitted (43%)Ashley Lelie (41%)Brandon Lloyd (41%)Rashied Davis (39%)Chris Chambers (39%)That's it. Out of the 82 WRs with 50+ targets last season, EIGHT of them had a worse catch% than Galloway. Personally, I'd call that "declining to a noticeable degree"...
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You've made some good points in this argument, but the injury one is not one of them.Galloway has played at least 15 games in 5 of the last 6 seasons and played at least 15 games in 9 of his 12 seasons and one of those 3 seasons was his hold out season in Seattle. In conclusion he has been injured and missed more than 1 game in 2 of 12 seasons. As for his target/completion ratio I would too be concerned if he wasn't the desperation option for most of the season for the harassed Tampa QBs. Galloway has a roughly 50% target to completion in the last 5 years. 44% isn't shocking considering the play in Tampa last year.
 
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