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Player Spotlight: Antonio Gates (1 Viewer)

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2007 Player Spotlight Series

Over the course of the offseason, we will be evaluating a multitude of players at every fantasy position. One such way we go about that is through the Player Spotlight series. Think of the Spotlights as a permanent record on some of the more intriguing players for the upcoming season. Each Spotlight will be featured in an article on the main website.

Thread Topic: Antonio Gates, TE, San Diego Chargers

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Obviously a stud TE but with the "emergence" of LT last year I think he is a wasted pick in the 3rd round. Although I do expect a slight improvement of last years #s as Rivers gets more comfortable.

80 rec, 960 yds, 10 tds

 
I thought I read an article recently where Norv was saying he was trying to Gates more involved in the passing game. Does anyone else remember this or is my mind going crazy in its advancing years?

 
Gates was #1 last year even with LT2 scoring 31 tds. That is just insane. I see his numbers from last year as a floor and expect him to improve with an extra year of Rivers. No more Marty ball, plus Norv wanting to get Gates more involved, plus no real #1 wr = #1 Fantasy TE

85-1120-12

 
I'm looking at these projected numbers and trying to visualize what WR to compare him to. Now consider that almost all of the "stud" WRs are off the board by the time when Gates is usually taken. You can grab Gates or you can grab a comparable WR.

Now the question you have to ask yourself is: how valuable is a TE that can put up WR numbers out of the TE spot. Is there more value at TE later in the draft or at WR? Personally, I feel more confident choosing WRs in the round 8-10 range than I do TEs. Gates to me makes a fine pick in the 3rd round if you are comfortable picking your starters out of WR15-45 range.

75/1000/10

 
My love for Gates has been well documented over the years. Hell, I even named my boat after him. Why would I go to such lengths? Consider this: only five Running Backs have scored more TD's than him over the past three years (LT, SAlex, LJ, Rudi, & Dillon). Obviously, the man deserves as much recognition as possible.

With such huge production out of the TE spot, Gates offers a positional advantage that is unparalled in this hobby. After rewriting the record book to start his career, Gates has already sewn up the Greatest Of All Time label for TE's but is now being rightfully considered as the Greatest Player Ever. Which in my humble opinion, he is.

Now onto 2007 for the Chargers:

1) Rivers has valuable experience under his belt

2) LT won't hog all the TD's again

3) New HC looking for even more ways to get AG the pigskin

Projection: 96 recepts 1211 yards 14 TD's (breaks his old record)

Now for YOUR 2007 game plan:

1) Draft Gates

2) Party like a rock star all season as AG rolls

3) Count you title winnings in December after crushing your FF league in the most dominating fashion known to mankind

 
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My love for Gates has been well documented over the years. Hell, I even named my boat after him. Why would I go to such lengths? Consider this: only five Running Backs have scored more TD's than him over the past three years (LT, SAlex, LJ, Rudi, & Dillon). Obviously, the man deserves as much recognition as possible.

With such huge production out of the TE spot, Gates offers a positional advantage that is unparalled in this hobby. After rewriting the record book to start his career, Gates has already sewn up the Greatest Of All Time label for TE's but is now being rightfully considered as the Greatest Player Ever. Which in my humble opinion, he is.

Now onto 2007 for the Chargers:

1) Rivers has valuable experience under his belt

2) LT won't hog all the TD's again

3) New HC looking for even more ways to get AG the pigskin

Projection: 96 recepts 1211 yards 14 TD's (breaks his old record)

Now for YOUR 2007 game plan:

1) Draft Gates

2) Party like a rock star all season as AG rolls

3) Count you title winnings in December after crushing your FF league in the most dominating fashion known to mankind
:lmao: Now Ive seen it all. Oh wait, maybe youre trying to increase the resale value of your boat.
 
I thought I read an article recently where Norv was saying he was trying to Gates more involved in the passing game. Does anyone else remember this or is my mind going crazy in its advancing years?
i dont have a link but i read that too84/1119/11
 
82/ 1081/ 12

Now this the dilemma with reading all the previous postings. I agree with his obvious dominant presence, Rivers's added experience and an aggressive offensive mind in a coach. 2 keeper 12 team league and TE's in the lineup. Many said 3rd rd is acceptable for aquiring Gates. In my case I traded my 1st and 3rd away last season for the crown. Having Peyton and SJax who are at the top of their positions, is Gates acceptable at a 2.12 position?? (6 of 12 will draft the top flight WR's in the 2nd). Akward thinking yes but 3 players atop their positions should keep a squad w/ no 1 or 3 in the hunt...??

Is Gates enough of a stud to be a 2.12 pick W/OUT the 3.12??

 
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We are up to post #14 and not a bad word anywhere about Antonio Gates. Since he has already been anointed not only best TE ever, but best football player as well by H.K., all Antonio Gates has left is to become more famous than the other Mr. Gates (Bill), similar to some summer threads on whether Ladainian Tomlinson can now be the LT, instead of LT2! I will hang with the crowd and predict another season of #1 TE for the Mr. Gates.

Antonio Gates 80 catches for 1,001 yards and 10 TDs

 
I'm seeing the same things everyone else is. Gates is a safe stud pick with all the upside and very little downside. Antonio Gates is to fantasy TE's what Peyton Manning is to fantasy QB's.

Anyone going to play Devil's Advocate here because I'm not seeing anything to be concerned about?

 
My love for Gates has been well documented over the years. Hell, I even named my boat after him. Why would I go to such lengths? Consider this: only five Running Backs have scored more TD's than him over the past three years (LT, SAlex, LJ, Rudi, & Dillon). Obviously, the man deserves as much recognition as possible.

With such huge production out of the TE spot, Gates offers a positional advantage that is unparalled in this hobby. After rewriting the record book to start his career, Gates has already sewn up the Greatest Of All Time label for TE's but is now being rightfully considered as the Greatest Player Ever. Which in my humble opinion, he is.

Now onto 2007 for the Chargers:

1) Rivers has valuable experience under his belt

2) LT won't hog all the TD's again

3) New HC looking for even more ways to get AG the pigskin

Projection: 96 recepts 1211 yards 14 TD's (breaks his old record)

Now for YOUR 2007 game plan:

1) Draft Gates

2) Party like a rock star all season as AG rolls

3) Count you title winnings in December after crushing your FF league in the most dominating fashion known to mankind
;) Cant wait for tyhe Jacobs post like this in about 2 years

 
trader jake said:
Anyone going to play Devil's Advocate here because I'm not seeing anything to be concerned about?
I'd love to...but circumstances dictate otherwise.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
My love for Gates has been well documented over the years. Hell, I even named my boat after him. Why would I go to such lengths? Consider this: only five Running Backs have scored more TD's than him over the past three years (LT, SAlex, LJ, Rudi, & Dillon). Obviously, the man deserves as much recognition as possible.

With such huge production out of the TE spot, Gates offers a positional advantage that is unparalled in this hobby. After rewriting the record book to start his career, Gates has already sewn up the Greatest Of All Time label for TE's but is now being rightfully considered as the Greatest Player Ever. Which in my humble opinion, he is.

Now onto 2007 for the Chargers:

1) Rivers has valuable experience under his belt

2) LT won't hog all the TD's again

3) New HC looking for even more ways to get AG the pigskin

Projection: 96 recepts 1211 yards 14 TD's (breaks his old record)

Now for YOUR 2007 game plan:

1) Draft Gates

2) Party like a rock star all season as AG rolls

3) Count you title winnings in December after crushing your FF league in the most dominating fashion known to mankind
:thumbdown: Cant wait for tyhe Jacobs post like this in about 2 years
That would be statistically impossible.
 
I'm looking at these projected numbers and trying to visualize what WR to compare him to. Now consider that almost all of the "stud" WRs are off the board by the time when Gates is usually taken. You can grab Gates or you can grab a comparable WR.Now the question you have to ask yourself is: how valuable is a TE that can put up WR numbers out of the TE spot. Is there more value at TE later in the draft or at WR? Personally, I feel more confident choosing WRs in the round 8-10 range than I do TEs. Gates to me makes a fine pick in the 3rd round if you are comfortable picking your starters out of WR15-45 range.75/1000/10
Yep that is the question :goodposting: With no clear-cut answer as I see it.Almost everyone here seems to think he's a lock for 1000+ yds and 10+ TDs, with some a good bit more (discounting man-love projections). Most likely he will be at least close, but I wouldn't count on either. He posted a 3-yr low in receps last year - was it just because Rivers was still learning or-? Hard to say but my expectations are a little more tempered.I think a lot of people avoid him because of cost (speaking literally ie auctions), but given even a 950/10 kinda projection, with a possibility of more, those extra few bucks may well be worth it.
 
The only downside I see is at what position someone takes him in their draft. I would value him at #30 0verall. Therefore, in a 12-teamer, if he's taken before the middle of the thrid round, I see little upside relative to his draft position.

However, if he's taken after the top 12 WRs, I think he represents terrific value. Especially if your league allows a flex or is a best-ball format. This way you could take another TE who might be undervalued, and play Gates at the Flex.

80/1125/13

 
I'm looking at these projected numbers and trying to visualize what WR to compare him to. Now consider that almost all of the "stud" WRs are off the board by the time when Gates is usually taken. You can grab Gates or you can grab a comparable WR.

Now the question you have to ask yourself is: how valuable is a TE that can put up WR numbers out of the TE spot. Is there more value at TE later in the draft or at WR? Personally, I feel more confident choosing WRs in the round 8-10 range than I do TEs. Gates to me makes a fine pick in the 3rd round if you are comfortable picking your starters out of WR15-45 range.

75/1000/10
Yep that is the question :lmao: With no clear-cut answer as I see it.Almost everyone here seems to think he's a lock for 1000+ yds and 10+ TDs, with some a good bit more (discounting man-love projections). Most likely he will be at least close, but I wouldn't count on either. He posted a 3-yr low in receps last year - was it just because Rivers was still learning or-? Hard to say but my expectations are a little more tempered.

I think a lot of people avoid him because of cost (speaking literally ie auctions), but given even a 950/10 kinda projection, with a possibility of more, those extra few bucks may well be worth it.
Addressed the bolded part with this old post:
I tend to agree that Gates will improve... look at his splits:

Games 1-8: 60 targets, 34/406/4 receiving (11.9 ypr), 64.6 fantasy points (FBG scoring)

Games 9-16: 59 targets, 37/518/5 receiving (14.0 ypr), 81.8 fantasy points (FBG scoring)

I also think it is a given that LT will regress somewhat. But the real point there is does that translate into more targets for Gates? Well, in 2005 Gates averaged 9.3 targets per game; last year he averaged 7.4 per game. In 2005, the Chargers attempted 526 passes (13th in the NFL), compared to only 466 last season (25th in the NFL). I think it is reasonable to think that Gates' targets will go back up.
In the second half last year, he was right on that 1000/10 pace. Remember, the Chargers offense was overly conservative in games 1 and 3 last year. Heck, in game 1, Rivers had only 11 attempts. I don't see that happening again, so I think the second half split is a bit better for predictive value.
 
pizzatyme said:
The only downside I see is at what position someone takes him in their draft. I would value him at #30 0verall. Therefore, in a 12-teamer, if he's taken before the middle of the thrid round, I see little upside relative to his draft position.

However, if he's taken after the top 12 WRs, I think he represents terrific value. Especially if your league allows a flex or is a best-ball format. This way you could take another TE who might be undervalued, and play Gates at the Flex.

80/1125/13
:wub: You've got him at 190 points. Only two wide receivers scored more last season (Harrison,Owens). If he scores that much he's worth a first round pick.
 
A FBG Staffer and I are seriously considering taking Gates at 2.04 in a moderate buyin ($250) deep (16 team) league this Sunday.

Before you call us crazy:

1) This league runs EARLY on TEs... 10 TEs off the board in the first 5 rounds.

2) It's a 1-player keeper league so it's really early 3rd round

3) The league structure (forced roster sizes of 2 TEs per team - 36 overall ) means zero wire depth

4) Start 1 RB / 2 WR / 1 Flex means you can get by with plucking late round value at RB/WR and start the hot hand at flex

I really think Gates will be a key component in our draft strategy this year..... going RB1 / Gates / and then praying for Housh to fall to us in the 3rd.

 
BigRed said:
He posted a 3-yr low in receps last year - was it just because Rivers was still learning or-?
One thing that happened last year was he was focusing on improving his blocking - which he did.
 
With his improved situation from last season (Rivers maturity and experience, more aggressive HC that's trying to find more ways to use him, etc), I have to think he'll be even better than last season.

93/1100/14 TDs

Worthy of a mid-to-late 2nd round pick.

 

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