KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I've seen him draft very late in drafts... whats everyone feeling on him... I think he has a very good chance to break the top 10 of QBs.
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Tony Romo's 07 value (1 Viewer)
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bostonfred
Footballguy
If he keeps the starting job all season, and he does as well without Parcells, and Glenn continues to perform without Parcells, and Owens doesn't piss off the new coach, and he gets over last year, and he handles the pressure of having his playoff killing screwup plastered all over the place for the rest of his life, I think he can do pretty well.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Unless he breaks his leg or dies or something he's pretty much a lock for top 10. Top-5 is also a real possibility. Now that I think about it would it really be that shocking if he's the #1 qb in 2007? Tell me a team that has as many offensive weapons to work with as the Cowboys.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Romo is tough to peg down because he has both high upside and high downside.
Upside - TO, Glenn, Witten and two good RBs.
Downside - Hasn't been a starter for a full season, TO could implode, Witten had 1 TD last year and Glenn is closer to 40 than 30. RBBC may explode into a 40-carry a game system, minimizing Romo to a game manager.
So, sure the upside could easily be Top 10, but the downside could be a mediocre #2 FF QB. That's why you find him ranked about equidistant from both extremes as about the #10-15 QB this year.
Upside - TO, Glenn, Witten and two good RBs.
Downside - Hasn't been a starter for a full season, TO could implode, Witten had 1 TD last year and Glenn is closer to 40 than 30. RBBC may explode into a 40-carry a game system, minimizing Romo to a game manager.
So, sure the upside could easily be Top 10, but the downside could be a mediocre #2 FF QB. That's why you find him ranked about equidistant from both extremes as about the #10-15 QB this year.
Romo was produced at a top 5 PPG clip last year, and that's with his rough December. Unless he plays at his December level all season (in other words, the league has figured Romo out, and he's not able to re-adjust), Romo should be a top 10 fantasy QB. I wouldnt blame you if you took him as high as 7th.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Counting ONLY his December numbers and his playoff appearance, IIRC he still put up Top 7 numbers. So unless people think he will do significantly worse this year than he did at the end of last year, he's a legit Top 10 fantasy QB with weapons to be Top 5.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm surprised more people aren't concerned about Romo bouncing Dallas from the playoffs. Sure, you can't blame him for that. Blah, blah, blah. The question is how will he bounce back from it? How will a new coaching regime treat him? How will Owens, who was openly critical of McNabb's playoff failures, treat him? There are so many questions around him, and people in here are talking about him like he's just another guy who should meet last year's numbers. I'm way more concerned about him than that.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I suspect that he won't do as well as last year, but he has quite a ways to fall to not produce as a fantasy QB1 in a 12-team league. I'd be more concerned if he did not have the supporting cast around him.I also think the new coaching staff may help him more than hurt him, as Parcells overall seemed to run a fair amount (ranked in the third of the league in rushing attempts the past two seasons while raning in the bottom half of the league in passing attempts).
crnerblitz
Footballguy
He will break the top 5. Take it to the bank. When the Blitz man posts his top 5 then you can carve it in stone.
1. That Manning guy.
2. Palmer
3. Brees
4. Romo
5. Bulger
1. That Manning guy.
2. Palmer
3. Brees
4. Romo
5. Bulger
Has there ever a QB that hasn't put up big numbers with TO as your #1 Wide out?
The weapons are there, the accuracy is there. I just would like to see him make better decisions, which would surely make him a Top 10 QB.
I would take
1) Manning
2) Palmer
3) Bulger
4) Brees
5) McNabb
6) Kitna
7) Brady
8) Romo
The weapons are there, the accuracy is there. I just would like to see him make better decisions, which would surely make him a Top 10 QB.
I would take
1) Manning
2) Palmer
3) Bulger
4) Brees
5) McNabb
6) Kitna
7) Brady
8) Romo
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I'm concerned with how his performance tailed off the last few weeks. People forget he is still inexperienced. The Dallas line is not the best around. I'm not saying he can't do well, but there are enough red flags to make me uncomfortable having him as my starting fantasy QB.
If there is one person that I think will be affected by Parcells being gone, it's Romo. Parcells kept him grounded last year.
I just have to see more before I'm convinced.
If there is one person that I think will be affected by Parcells being gone, it's Romo. Parcells kept him grounded last year.
I just have to see more before I'm convinced.
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
If you take his last five regular season games he still averaged 17.05 ppg, which would have put him 8th if he averaged that for the whole year. In his first 5 starts he averaged 21.23 ppg, which would have put him third for the entire season. Even if 17 ppg is his baseline, that would still most likely put him top 10. It would take either him regressing significantly or the defense and running game rendering him a game manager to dip below 17 ppg. One thing I would like to see from him is more consistency, and I could definitely see that as an argument as to why someone would not want him as their QB1.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Romo has been tough for me to rank.
A) He was inconsistent last year
B) His defense is very good
C) The impact of Phillips is hard to quantify with a rookie OC
D) T.O. QBs generally put up great ppg numbers
Very difficult for me to nail down. I wouldn't want him as my #1, but would love him as my #2.
A) He was inconsistent last year
B) His defense is very good
C) The impact of Phillips is hard to quantify with a rookie OC
D) T.O. QBs generally put up great ppg numbers
Very difficult for me to nail down. I wouldn't want him as my #1, but would love him as my #2.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
No
Again, people refuse to look at match ups while projecting stats. Last year, Romo looked good thanks to a monster performance against Tampa Bay (which had everyone on D down it seemed ....) on Thanksgiving. Against any semi decent D, he looked average, which is what he is.
He has not even played one full season in this league folks.....expect growing pains. Especially behind that Cowboys OL. And after you account new coaching ....
Again, people refuse to look at match ups while projecting stats. Last year, Romo looked good thanks to a monster performance against Tampa Bay (which had everyone on D down it seemed ....) on Thanksgiving. Against any semi decent D, he looked average, which is what he is.
He has not even played one full season in this league folks.....expect growing pains. Especially behind that Cowboys OL. And after you account new coaching ....
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I'll be the contrarian. I think he's a gunslinger. Which means some great games. but if your league subtracts for INTs, he'll have some stinkers. I'll be shocked if he is top 5. Could just as easily finish at 15 as he does in the top 10. Big risk. A good QB2. But taking him at 7 is a big gamble.
Is this years schedule all that tougher (a trip to Chicago notwithstanding)?
Tau837
Footballguy
Series of previous posts on Romo:
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Hagger
Footballguy
Romo has somehow become the newest media darling. There have been plenty of young, unproven QB's who've had nice partial years only to come out and choke the next year (I don't have their #'s in front of me, but Cade McNown and Jake Plummer come to mind). I don't think he'll do as bad as McNown, but I do think he's over-hyped and overrated. He's inconsistent and inexperienced, he's bound to have the typical growing pains.
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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
You can play the Dr. Phil role all you want. He hasn't slit his wrists and wasn't in rehab this offseason so he looks fine to me.I don't really look into all that off the field stuff. So I won't speculate. Here's what I do know about Tony Romo though.
What I do know is that in 2006 Tony Romo threw for over 200 yards in every game he started (and one he didn't) last season except one (Christmas game vs. Eagles). He also completed over 65% of his passes and averaged 8.6 yards per attempt for a qb rating of over 95 last season. He only started 10 games last year yet nearly threw for 3000 yards (2902). Those are sick numbers. And this was all in his first season as a starter. Why shouldn't I expect more of the same or possibly even better?
By every metric Tony Romo was pretty much a top-10 quarterback last season. Take out his best game? He's still in the top 10. Look how he played in December? He's still in the top 10. Any other month and he's in the top 5 or higher. So he can't be in the top 10 in 2007 because of T.O?
Because Parcells is gone? Lol.Coaching is so overrated. Talent is much more important. And Dallas has the most talent offensively in the NFL. Jason Witten is a top 3 tight end in this league. Patrick Crayton could start for most teams in the NFL at wide receiver and he's a backup in Dallas. Terry Glenn's is one of the best #2 wide receivers in the league. And last but not least is Terrell Owens who averages a TD a game for his career. Tony Romo has all of this to work with not to mention his own obvious talent (95.1 QB rating 8.6 ypa).
It isn't about whether Tony Romo can be a top 10 qb. Barring injury or death top-10 is a foregone conclusion. Now it's about how high can he go. Considering how well he played last year and all the talent on his team the sky's the limit for Tony Romo. He's one of the steals of the draft this season. People are always looking for the next big thing when most of the time it's just staring them right in the face. This is one of those times.
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Hagger
Footballguy
Time to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.You can play the Dr. Phil role all you want. He hasn't slit his wrists and wasn't in rehab this offseason so he looks fine to me.
I don't really look into all that off the field stuff. So I won't speculate. Here's what I do know about Tony Romo though.
What I do know is that in 2006 Tony Romo threw for over 200 yards in every game he started (and one he didn't) last season except one (Christmas game vs. Eagles). He also completed over 65% of his passes and averaged 8.6 yards per attempt for a qb rating of over 95 last season. He only started 10 games last year yet nearly threw for 3000 yards (2902). Those are sick numbers. And this was all in his first season as a starter. Why shouldn't I expect more of the same or possibly even better?
By every metric Tony Romo was pretty much a top-10 quarterback last season. Take out his best game? He's still in the top 10. Look how he played in December? He's still in the top 10. Any other month and he's in the top 5 or higher. So he can't be in the top 10 in 2007 because of T.O?Because Parcells is gone? Lol.
Coaching is so overrated. Talent is much more important. And Dallas has the most talent offensively in the NFL. Jason Witten is a top 3 tight end in this league. Patrick Crayton could start for most teams in the NFL at wide receiver and he's a backup in Dallas. Terry Glenn's is one of the best #2 wide receivers in the league. And last but not least is Terrell Owens who averages a TD a game for his career. Tony Romo has all of this to work with not to mention his own obvious talent (95.1 QB rating 8.6 ypa).
It isn't about whether Tony Romo can be a top 10 qb. Barring injury or death top-10 is a foregone conclusion. Now it's about how high can he go. Considering how well he played last year and all the talent on his team the sky's the limit for Tony Romo. He's one of the steals of the draft this season. People are always looking for the next big thing when most of the time it's just staring them right in the face. This is one of those times.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
That just reminded me. With all the incredible passing stats that Tony Romo I totally forgot that he also ran for over 100 yards last season. He gets you points with his arms and his legs. Yet one more reason to love his prospects for this upcoming season.
bentley
Footballguy
I'd say he's well on his way to the two rushing TDs.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
Love Romo, but also think NYG made him look even better tonight. Miami defense on the road will be a whole other story next week. I'm leaning towards Big Ben at home vs. Buffalo (horrid secondary)..
mmmmmm. love kool-aid.Time to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.You can play the Dr. Phil role all you want. He hasn't slit his wrists and wasn't in rehab this offseason so he looks fine to me.
I don't really look into all that off the field stuff. So I won't speculate. Here's what I do know about Tony Romo though.
What I do know is that in 2006 Tony Romo threw for over 200 yards in every game he started (and one he didn't) last season except one (Christmas game vs. Eagles). He also completed over 65% of his passes and averaged 8.6 yards per attempt for a qb rating of over 95 last season. He only started 10 games last year yet nearly threw for 3000 yards (2902). Those are sick numbers. And this was all in his first season as a starter. Why shouldn't I expect more of the same or possibly even better?
By every metric Tony Romo was pretty much a top-10 quarterback last season. Take out his best game? He's still in the top 10. Look how he played in December? He's still in the top 10. Any other month and he's in the top 5 or higher. So he can't be in the top 10 in 2007 because of T.O?Because Parcells is gone? Lol.
Coaching is so overrated. Talent is much more important. And Dallas has the most talent offensively in the NFL. Jason Witten is a top 3 tight end in this league. Patrick Crayton could start for most teams in the NFL at wide receiver and he's a backup in Dallas. Terry Glenn's is one of the best #2 wide receivers in the league. And last but not least is Terrell Owens who averages a TD a game for his career. Tony Romo has all of this to work with not to mention his own obvious talent (95.1 QB rating 8.6 ypa).
It isn't about whether Tony Romo can be a top 10 qb. Barring injury or death top-10 is a foregone conclusion. Now it's about how high can he go. Considering how well he played last year and all the talent on his team the sky's the limit for Tony Romo. He's one of the steals of the draft this season. People are always looking for the next big thing when most of the time it's just staring them right in the face. This is one of those times.
Native
Footballguy
The great thing about Romos situation is that his running game is good enough to move the chains and ensure that the offense is balanced, but theyre not downright dominant. So if the Cowboys want to move the ball consistently, theyre going to have to rely heavilly on the passing game. Romo made all the throws yesterday and looked great doing so. He also does a great job sidestepping the rush. How many big third downs did he convert yesterday?
Meat
Footballguy
Romo absolutely dissected one of the worst defenses in the league yesterday; sure I'm ecstatic about the game he got for me, but next week I'd be equally happy with 250 + 2TD against Miami.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I think that is very, very optimistic. 250 + 2TD's is a good day against any defense. Look what Brady does historically at Mia - then go from there.Meat said:Romo absolutely dissected one of the worst defenses in the league yesterday; sure I'm ecstatic about the game he got for me, but next week I'd be equally happy with 250 + 2TD against Miami.
He threw deep over the middle most of the night. Hit on the sidelines also. Checked down when necessary. Basically, he made all the throws.356 yds and 5 TD's. Let that marinate for a minute. That is legendary production. When Peyton does that, no one really points out who the opponent was. They only talk about how "in control" he was.I am NOT saying Romo=Manning. Just give the dude his props. He was outstanding last night. Top 6 lock this year.I think that is very, very optimistic. 250 + 2TD's is a good day against any defense. Look what Brady does historically at Mia - then go from there.Meat said:Romo absolutely dissected one of the worst defenses in the league yesterday; sure I'm ecstatic about the game he got for me, but next week I'd be equally happy with 250 + 2TD against Miami.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Even though I have been in the Romo camp and pimping him for months, let me point out that not every Cowboys game will be at home, in good weather, against the Giants, etc. He had a nice Week 1 and should have many other good weeks, but he's also going to have some clunkers.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
Check the last time a QB wasn't good to excellent with TO. Won't find anything.
Romo has a good skill-set. He's accurate, can make the deep-throw, reads defenses pretty well, and has wideouts and a tightend who can take it to the house after making the catch. Based on that Dallas defensive performance against a banged up QB not known for his accuracy and a running game that featured Ward as a gasher, he's going to be in many throw-in-the-4th-quarter situations.
He's a top 5 QB, pure and simple.
Romo has a good skill-set. He's accurate, can make the deep-throw, reads defenses pretty well, and has wideouts and a tightend who can take it to the house after making the catch. Based on that Dallas defensive performance against a banged up QB not known for his accuracy and a running game that featured Ward as a gasher, he's going to be in many throw-in-the-4th-quarter situations.
He's a top 5 QB, pure and simple.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
While I agree that historically QBs have fared well with Owens around, the 49ers and Eagles were established offensive teams before T.O. got there. And the 2003 version of Jeff Garcia was nothing special.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Drew Bledsoe.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
As a Romo owner, the putrid Dallas "D" is reason to be ecstatic. His YPA was amazing ... hovering around 14/15 yds. Granted, against the G-men, at home, ideal weather, blah blah blah ...I'll take it. Only a fool would expect that kind of production each week, but, this guy is going to be quite prolific this year, greatly outperforming his ADP. I snagged him in round 7. Looks to be solid value.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
He was woeful in real football terms, but three of his five games were decent fantasy wise. You make a good point, though...he definitely didn't make much of the TO threat.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Romo and Kitna look to be steals after week one. Owners that built their team around them are off to a very nice start.
Curious to see how the late game goes tonight. Might see some fireworks then, too.
Curious to see how the late game goes tonight. Might see some fireworks then, too.
Neo
The Dude minds
Don't forget Big Ben. He was a steal as of now as well.
Slow your roll playa. Your gonna jinx him. I'm happy with his beginning as well....but its a beginning. I wanna see him against the teams that typically give us a hard time. Eagles, Skins....and you know the Pats game is gonna be more than tough. If he lights them up for 300 and 2 TDs....THEN we are talkin!#1 QB after four weeks. Is there any reason to think he will slow down? I think not!
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Regarding this thread... I think it varies on what you ding QBs for INTs (and fumbles as well).... 0 or -1, no issue for Top 10. ....
-4 is a different story.
In one league, Romo put up a 1.5, and in another (dippy fun league) he put up a 27.
that's huge as the delta by year's end of the #5 QB and #15 QB may only be around 40 or 50 points (again pending your scoring system).
-4 is a different story.
In one league, Romo put up a 1.5, and in another (dippy fun league) he put up a 27.
that's huge as the delta by year's end of the #5 QB and #15 QB may only be around 40 or 50 points (again pending your scoring system).
