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nightmare
Footballguy
WHA?
Can someone please explain to me why "It's Whites job to lose" when the Titan's
bring back Brown and reach (using that term lightly) for a unproven RB in the draft?
Chris Brown will be the starter until injury (when not if).
Edited for my stupid M Turner comments.
Can someone please explain to me why "It's Whites job to lose" when the Titan's
bring back Brown and reach (using that term lightly) for a unproven RB in the draft?
Chris Brown will be the starter until injury (when not if).
Edited for my stupid M Turner comments.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Evidently someone else thinks that Lendale will win the starting job too.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...RTS01/707290394
Crowded backfield
"The bet here is that White will win the starting job, while Chris Brown serves as the third-down back. Rookie Chris Henry is athletic but still has a ways to go.
White said he weighs 240 pounds, a few pounds heavier than what he should carry this fall. He's hit the hole well and looks more confident. Brown's speed will give coaches something to think about, however."
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...RTS01/707290394
Crowded backfield
"The bet here is that White will win the starting job, while Chris Brown serves as the third-down back. Rookie Chris Henry is athletic but still has a ways to go.
White said he weighs 240 pounds, a few pounds heavier than what he should carry this fall. He's hit the hole well and looks more confident. Brown's speed will give coaches something to think about, however."
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Agree with this myself. Makes the most sense. If he flops (which I don't think there's much chance he does...he'll be a 4.0 ypc guy), they'll look at Brown again. He's also going to be of tremendous value where he's being drafted. Nice situation to boot.
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The Little Man on the Boat
Footballguy
Unless he is hurt, Brown.
Garts
Footballguy
so Lendale then??
At this point, it's nobody's "job to lose". At this point even the beat writers from the Tennessean are speculating, because right now even the coaches do not know. It's unlikely that he will begin the season as the starter, but Chris Henry is the guy they want to put back there once he's ready. The only thing that's for sure about the Titans' backfield right now is that Chris Brown is NOT the long-term answer there.
That being said, he may begin the season as the starter. I personally don't see him on the team if he's not starting, because I don't think the team really wants him, and I don't think he wants to be there. The only reason they both decided to reunite is because neither side had better options at that point. If Lendale proves he's a better option than Brown, I don't think the team will want to guarantee Brown's money for the whole season by keeping him on the roster to begin the season. They may cut him and hope to resign him right away once they will be off the hook for guaranteeing the whole season on his contract. Or they may just opt to go with the younger backs they have on the roster. Or there may be some training camp cuts from other teams that they bring in.
I still see Henry as a guy who takes over later in the season once he learns the ropes well enough (mainly pass blocking). If Lendale wins the opening day starting job, that's a little less likely than if Brown wins it because the injury risk with Lendale isn't as great, but it still could happen.
It's also possible that Lendale finally "gets it" regarding his conditioning and takes the bull by the horns. Nobody doubts he has the ability to be an every down RB in the NFL, but up to this point his desire and his conditioning have hindered him from living up to that level of play.
As for who ends up the season with the most carries, it's really a dead heat right now. I am more confident now that Lendale could win the job than I was a week or two ago, and if he does that mean's Henry is less likely to take over later. If Brown wins it to start with, I see Henry ending up with the most carries once Brown gets injured. Of course there is a chance that Brown shakes the injury bug this season, but nobody's really counting on that happening.
That being said, he may begin the season as the starter. I personally don't see him on the team if he's not starting, because I don't think the team really wants him, and I don't think he wants to be there. The only reason they both decided to reunite is because neither side had better options at that point. If Lendale proves he's a better option than Brown, I don't think the team will want to guarantee Brown's money for the whole season by keeping him on the roster to begin the season. They may cut him and hope to resign him right away once they will be off the hook for guaranteeing the whole season on his contract. Or they may just opt to go with the younger backs they have on the roster. Or there may be some training camp cuts from other teams that they bring in.
I still see Henry as a guy who takes over later in the season once he learns the ropes well enough (mainly pass blocking). If Lendale wins the opening day starting job, that's a little less likely than if Brown wins it because the injury risk with Lendale isn't as great, but it still could happen.
It's also possible that Lendale finally "gets it" regarding his conditioning and takes the bull by the horns. Nobody doubts he has the ability to be an every down RB in the NFL, but up to this point his desire and his conditioning have hindered him from living up to that level of play.
As for who ends up the season with the most carries, it's really a dead heat right now. I am more confident now that Lendale could win the job than I was a week or two ago, and if he does that mean's Henry is less likely to take over later. If Brown wins it to start with, I see Henry ending up with the most carries once Brown gets injured. Of course there is a chance that Brown shakes the injury bug this season, but nobody's really counting on that happening.
hephner
Footballguy
All true, but I think a lot of us are trying to gauge the situation cause one of them might emerge as at least a fantasy backup or flex player, especially relevant in 12 team leagues or bigger. Every NFL starting RB or even RBBC back can useful in leagues like that.
hephner
Footballguy
Really? I think quite a few NFL GMs might have a different opinion, since he fell to the second round in the draft.
The quote you highlighted was about ability, or potential in other words. Most NFL GMs don't draft strictly on ability or potential, so the fact that he fell to the second round doesn't really prove that. They doubted his work ethic, his commitment, or his desire, not his ability.hephner said:
EBF
Footballguy
It should come down to Brown vs. White. Brown has shown serious flashes of talent in the past, but has been inconsistent and has obviously had some issues with the coaching staff (he was #3 on the depth chart behind White last season).
White hasn't exactly made a lot of fans since getting drafted by the Titans, but he has the talent to start in the NFL and be fairly productive. The real question with him is motivation. Will he put in the work needed to earn PT? Everyone will assume no, but I wouldn't count him out just yet.
My guess is that it'll be some form of RBBC involving Brown and White. Whichever of those two steps up will probably eventually earn a lion's share of the carries.
White hasn't exactly made a lot of fans since getting drafted by the Titans, but he has the talent to start in the NFL and be fairly productive. The real question with him is motivation. Will he put in the work needed to earn PT? Everyone will assume no, but I wouldn't count him out just yet.
My guess is that it'll be some form of RBBC involving Brown and White. Whichever of those two steps up will probably eventually earn a lion's share of the carries.
EBF
Footballguy
By the way, I'd really like to see White take this job and silence his critics. I think some of the character concerns are valid and Tennessee's offseason moves obviously indicate a certain lack of faith in White, but I also think people have been too quick to write him off on the basis of one quiet season and a handful of rumors.
The guy has talent. He was very good in college. And for all the talk about his weight problems, people don't acknowledge that he was a hefty 250 pounds when he ran all over Texas and had some observers on these very boards saying he looked better than Reggie Bush. How quickly we forget.
He's not built like the statue of David. He never will be. He's not a home run hitter. He never will be. But I still maintain that he can be a Stephen Davis type if he works hard and stays out of trouble.
The guy has talent. He was very good in college. And for all the talk about his weight problems, people don't acknowledge that he was a hefty 250 pounds when he ran all over Texas and had some observers on these very boards saying he looked better than Reggie Bush. How quickly we forget.
He's not built like the statue of David. He never will be. He's not a home run hitter. He never will be. But I still maintain that he can be a Stephen Davis type if he works hard and stays out of trouble.
-OZ-
Footballguy
What are you basing this on? When has White been an "every-down back"?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
According to whom? To you? I'd love to see the link supporting your speculation.rdstorm said:
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Here is my take:
Real World -- I think White has more carries, and TDs, by year end than the other two. I do think that Lendale is RB1 right now.
Fantasy -- I wouldn't draft any of them until RB4 UNLESS your RB1 and RB2 are just absolute studs. Given that, I'd take White in either spot.
*I think Henry may very well have more fantasy points than Brown this year. I think Brown could be traded if White and Henry prove themselves and a need arises around the NFL. Having said that, it would be bad to have Chrissy stashed on the end of your roster just in case.
Real World -- I think White has more carries, and TDs, by year end than the other two. I do think that Lendale is RB1 right now.
Fantasy -- I wouldn't draft any of them until RB4 UNLESS your RB1 and RB2 are just absolute studs. Given that, I'd take White in either spot.
*I think Henry may very well have more fantasy points than Brown this year. I think Brown could be traded if White and Henry prove themselves and a need arises around the NFL. Having said that, it would be bad to have Chrissy stashed on the end of your roster just in case.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I think he could be a Ron Dayne type.He has far more in common with Dayne then LJ (size, running style,speed, strength, motivation problems). Remember LenDale put up worse bench reps than most kickers.LJ is faster, stronger, and while he was a malcontent when not getting PT his desire has never been questioned.It's scary how much LenDale is like Dayne.I think he could be a Larry Johnson type
EBF
Footballguy
Their running style isn't that similar.I think he could be a Ron Dayne type.He has far more in common with Dayne then LJ (size, running style,speed, strength, motivation problems). Remember LenDale put up worse bench reps than most kickers.LJ is faster, stronger, and while he was a malcontent when not getting PT his desire has never been questioned.It's scary how much LenDale is like Dayne.I think he could be a Larry Johnson type
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
FAR more similar then to LJ, and actually quite similar overall.Dayne in college was a beast, and an unbelievable in between the tackles runner much like White.I watched Dayne a ton in college and White quite a bit too, and i commented many times while watching White how much he reminded me of the college years Dayne.People forget that Dayne looked really good in college, but his motivation/weight problems killed him...much like it looks like they are going to kill White.Their running style isn't that similar.I think he could be a Ron Dayne type.He has far more in common with Dayne then LJ (size, running style,speed, strength, motivation problems). Remember LenDale put up worse bench reps than most kickers.LJ is faster, stronger, and while he was a malcontent when not getting PT his desire has never been questioned.It's scary how much LenDale is like Dayne.I think he could be a Larry Johnson type
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I think people underestimate the power of a player's determination. Everything we've seen from Lendale shows he's a lazy slob that has little interest in working to become a starter in this league. He may want the job to be handed to him but he's done absolutely nothing to walk his talk.
If this backfield isn't split into some ugly rotation I'm speculating (as we all are) Brown will be the starter.
If this backfield isn't split into some ugly rotation I'm speculating (as we all are) Brown will be the starter.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
From what i've read, Lendale has been getting reps with the first team.
And if they really wanted Brown to be the back of the future, no way they would have waited to sign him.
I believe this is Lendale's job to lose.
And if they really wanted Brown to be the back of the future, no way they would have waited to sign him.
I believe this is Lendale's job to lose.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't think anyone would debate that Brown is being seen as a future cog.
Brutis
Footballguy
If Titans thought of Chris Brown as a starting RB it makes no sense that they would even release the guy then take their time re-signing him. I think that resigning was for depth.
Banger
Footballguy
They released Henry, not Brown. Brown was an UFA. One thing you're forgetting is they made a harder push for M. Turner than anyone and when that failed they went to plan C, back to Brown.
kensat30
Footballguy
Chris Brown is a stud when healthy. I have a hard time seeing him without a major role when the season opens. Everything the front office has done this offseason has basically said that they have no confidence in White whatsoever.
That said, I wouldn't draft any of them to be on my team. That's a wasted pick IMO.
That said, I wouldn't draft any of them to be on my team. That's a wasted pick IMO.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
i do remember right after the Turner talks died, Titans still didnt go after Brown right away. Brutis is right, CBRown signing was more for depth or insurance in case Lendale aint ready and it sure does look like CHenry isnt ready either.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Fixed.
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Banger
Footballguy
I fully believe the Titans WANT White to be their guy but I've seen/heard nothing to indicate that he's worthy other than his college rep which means nothing to me. Show me a good story about White impressing, etc. and I may start to change my mind but hearing that "he's not that fat" or "he's only a little overweight" isn't too inspiring for a guy who's supposed to be your starting RB. I know what Brown can and has brought to this offense and it's A LOT more than White has ever shown. I tend to go with known rather than the unknown (especially when it has warts) in situations like this.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
The Titans organization also agrees.But some wishful-thinkers who drafted White last year disagree? Shocking.
I'd love to see someone who DOESN'T own LenDale White report in that he's deserving of the starting job.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
LOL, that is funny about LenDale. Even the "complements" to him from his supporters are unintentionally backhanded.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
Training camp/2007 season is the year Lendale will have to show FIsher what he's made of. Yes, he hasnt shown anything before this year due to his weight last year (though he did come to camp around 235 last year if i remember correctly). Last year was his rookie year and he didnt do squat. All I'm saying is i havent written off the guy just yet because of his rookie year, just like what TEN is doing. He's being given a chance to showcase what he can do. And if he gets his head straight up, he should win this job outright.At this point, drafting him in the 7th to 9th round in redrafts/dynasty is a shot worth taking to me.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Guys, every year someone busts. Every friggin' year. Fantasy footballers fall in love with RBs and reach.
Last year it was White. The year before was JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton. "Show me Chris Perry, Greg Jones and William Green for $100, Pat". (I feel this year's overhyped, flavor-of-the-week is Brandon Jackson, but that's just my .02.)
It happens. Accept it. Move on.
Last year it was White. The year before was JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton. "Show me Chris Perry, Greg Jones and William Green for $100, Pat". (I feel this year's overhyped, flavor-of-the-week is Brandon Jackson, but that's just my .02.)
It happens. Accept it. Move on.
Banger
Footballguy
I absolutely agree he has a shot but some are talking as if it's his job to lose and Brown is just a scrub which is not the case IMO. White is definitely worth drafting at some point because he could be the starter but I think some people need to temper their expectations. Training camp will obviously be key in this battle. My biggest problem with players like White is that it's very rare that players that are lazy and need to be motivated just wake up one day and get it. For some reason some guys just don't "get it" and think that talent alone will get them through and it won't. I think White is one of those guys.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
LenDale White went in the Top 5 of most dynasty drafts last year. Over guys like Young, Leinart, and Cutler.
Ooops!
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Brewzers
Footballguy
I don't own any TEN RBs. I think its way too early to speculate who's "the guy" in TEN. This position most likely will be a battle throughout preseason.
But some wishful-thinkers who drafted White last year disagree? Shocking.
I'd love to see someone who DOESN'T own LenDale White report in that he's deserving of the starting job.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Name ONE thing LenDale supporters can point to as a positive. I agree he is worth taking late enough in any draft (Brown isn't an ironman and White may be the backup by default) but what has he EVER shown in the NFL that would make people still like him?
By all accounts he doesn't work hard, is out of shape and wants the team to simply hand him the job. Even if he gets the job I don't believe he won't piss it away. T.O. may be a headcase but he busts his butt to play each game. When you're not a legendary talent AND you have minimal work ethics (at best), that does not scream good fantasy player.
Ron Dayne part deux.
By all accounts he doesn't work hard, is out of shape and wants the team to simply hand him the job. Even if he gets the job I don't believe he won't piss it away. T.O. may be a headcase but he busts his butt to play each game. When you're not a legendary talent AND you have minimal work ethics (at best), that does not scream good fantasy player.
Ron Dayne part deux.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Sorry beerman, but the only reason Dayne was a great "between the tackles runner" in college is because his o-line opened up huge holes. In fact, Dayne ALWAYS showed more interest in bouncing the ball outside and trying to bust long runs. He bowled some people over because of his size, but he also tried to juke people and go around them. It's odd, because Dayne seemed more eager to run like a smaller back.....rather than a power back. That's why he failed miserably in NY....because they insisted on making him a goalline and short yardage back.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
System is a big reason both Dayne and White looked incredible between the tackles. The USC offense was as good as any in college over the past few years.Dayne never shied away from running between the tackles in college. In fact i'd say he was at least as good of a power runner as White. Dayne in the NFL tried to use a completely different style then what he did in college. Very few RB's can bowl people over in the NFL, especially ones who aren't that strong (neither Dayne or White are very strong relative to their size).
IMO Dayne didn't try to run like a smaller back at all in college, most of his long runs were NOT from trying to break it outside, he would break them running inside.
But your right, in the NFL he did try to run different, but not in college.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I would classify the Tenn RB situation more like a 3-headed lizard.
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