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Jene, don't look now, but BT was in a stance in the nickel and dime packages at TC today. Bowens went OLB in those sets. If this sticks, it may cloud BT's positional listing yet again this year.

The Jets are using a WHOLE lot of rotation on defense... at least today. Getting roughly the same number of snaps with the first unit were Rhodes, Coleman and Smith at safety, Dyson Barrett and Miller at CB, and so much rotation on the front 7 it was hard to keep track of. As of now, my gut feel is that Jets IDP's may have diminished value this season, as Mangini seems intent on using the whole roster. It's early, and much can change, so take that thought for what it is... a thought.

Kimo vonO is still holding down the starting DE spot across from Ellis, but both Haynes and Coleman are pushing him. Most notable, based on what I saw, were the Jets' NT's. D Robertson has lost the belly, and made the weight move higher. I've never seen him play this energetically. His backup, Pouha, has also gotten WAY bigger in the torso and arms. They both were able to anchor the D line, and generate push up the middle to the point they were drawing double teams and pushing the pocket on passing plays. This bodes well for the run D.

Here is the sleeper for the Jets this year.... Stuckey. He catches EVERYTHING thrown his way, and consistantly was the best WR in terms of getting seperation today. He looks a lot like S Moss, but without the built in magnet for the sidelines.

Based on what I saw today, the knocks on Clemens as a viable #2 QB don't hold water. He looked good. He needs to improve his vision of the field as he misses open targets, but he has the tools. IDP forum... right.... back to defense.

Harris took every snap at ILB with the 2nd team. He showed some flashes, but his sideline to sideline speed was I thought, disappointing, as was his reaction time. He also seemed to lack a bit of hustle, which could be mistaken for some indecision as he learns the 3-4 defense. Bowens looked very good.... and I think he is why Thomas is getting into a stance at DE on the nickel and dime defenses. Haynes was also on the mix with the first team, and was notable in his ability to be around the play. I think Barton looks like a safe IDP play this year, unless Harris really develops significantly in TC.

As a Jets fan, I really liked a lot of what I saw on the D.... as a FF player, not so much. LOTS of rotation.... we'll have to see if this is competition motivated, or part of the in season game plan. I suspect the latter. Vilma is still on the wrong side as far as FF point production goes. Barton appears to be holding off Harris. BT looks to be an every down player, OLB on regular downs, down DE in the nickel and dime. Hobson seems to be almost an every down player as well. Pouha looks very good, so even Dwayne Robertson will be in a rotation I think. Ellis will remain a 3 down guy, but that's about it.

I'll be back at camp Wednesday, and will offer my observations again.

 
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Would you downgrade Rhodes based on what you saw? Or should i not put much stock into it?
Rhodes is the QB of the Jets' DB's. He's also a Mangini favorite. No, I would not downgrade him at all. This is still TC, and Mangini wants all 3 safeties to be able to play together. Smith is more a SS type, and can't cover quite as well as Coleman, but if anyone loses playing time it will be Coleman to Smith, but again, Mangini does like to rotate players to keep them fresh, and there will be plays that Rhodes will take a blow on, but not to the point I'd downgrade him. Only Vilma will get more snaps than Rhodes I think.... forgetting guys like Ellis and Thomas for the moment.
 
Jene, don't look now, but BT was in a stance in the nickel and dime packages at TC today. Bowens went OLB in those sets. If this sticks, it may cloud BT's positional listing yet again this year. The Jets are using a WHOLE lot of rotation on defense... at least today. Getting roughly the same number of snaps with the first unit were Rhodes, Coleman and Smith at safety, Dyson Barrett and Miller at CB, and so much rotation on the front 7 it was hard to keep track of. As of now, my gut feel is that Jets IDP's may have diminished value this season, as Mangini seems intent on using the whole roster. It's early, and much can change, so take that thought for what it is... a thought. Kimo vonO is still holding down the starting DE spot across from Ellis, but both Haynes and Coleman are pushing him. Most notable, based on what I saw, were the Jets' NT's. D Robertson has lost the belly, and made the weight move higher. I've never seen him play this energetically. His backup, Pouha, has also gotten WAY bigger in the torso and arms. They both were able to anchor the D line, and generate push up the middle to the point they were drawing double teams and pushing the pocket on passing plays. This bodes well for the run D. Here is the sleeper for the Jets this year.... Stuckey. He catches EVERYTHING thrown his way, and consistantly was the best WR in terms of getting seperation today. He looks a lot like S Moss, but without the built in magnet for the sidelines. Based on what I saw today, the knocks on Clemens as a viable #2 QB don't hold water. He looked good. He needs to improve his vision of the field as he misses open targets, but he has the tools. IDP forum... right.... back to defense.Harris took every snap at ILB with the 2nd team. He showed some flashes, but his sideline to sideline speed was I thought, disappointing, as was his reaction time. He also seemed to lack a bit of hustle, which could be mistaken for some indecision as he learns the 3-4 defense. Bowens looked very good.... and I think he is why Thomas is getting into a stance at DE on the nickel and dime defenses. Haynes was also on the mix with the first team, and was notable in his ability to be around the play. I think Barton looks like a safe IDP play this year, unless Harris really develops significantly in TC.As a Jets fan, I really liked a lot of what I saw on the D.... as a FF player, not so much. LOTS of rotation.... we'll have to see if this is competition motivated, or part of the in season game plan. I suspect the latter. Vilma is still on the wrong side as far as FF point production goes. Barton appears to be holding off Harris. BT looks to be an every down player, OLB on regular downs, down DE in the nickel and dime. Hobson seems to be almost an every down player as well. Pouha looks very good, so even Dwayne Robertson will be in a rotation I think. Ellis will remain a 3 down guy, but that's about it. I'll be back at camp Wednesday, and will offer my observations again.
Solid post Rovers. Attribute DRob's physical appearance to the fact that Herm is no longer the head coach. If there is one thing Mangini stresses, it's that his players are in shape and take the offseason strength and conditioning program seriously. If Herm was still here, DRob would be pushing 350lbs by now.
 
So, if Kimo and Ellis are starting DE's, where is B. Thomas in that formation?
Kimo is out in the nickel and dime.... and hopefully, Kenyon Coleman can push him out of the standard starting DE spot on 1st and 2nds. Kimo had no FF value last year, and he'll be even worse this year, be subbed out in pass D packages. Thomas was replacing Kimo today in the pass D packages.
 
Just saw this on rotoworld...

Jets S Eric Smith has received playing time with the first-team defense at training camp.

Smith will give incumbent SS Erik Coleman a run for his money. The heady second-year Michigan State grad could be a deep sleeper in IDP leagues.

:shrug:

 
Would you downgrade Rhodes based on what you saw? Or should i not put much stock into it?
Rhodes is the QB of the Jets' DB's. He's also a Mangini favorite. No, I would not downgrade him at all. This is still TC, and Mangini wants all 3 safeties to be able to play together. Smith is more a SS type, and can't cover quite as well as Coleman, but if anyone loses playing time it will be Coleman to Smith, but again, Mangini does like to rotate players to keep them fresh, and there will be plays that Rhodes will take a blow on, but not to the point I'd downgrade him. Only Vilma will get more snaps than Rhodes I think.... forgetting guys like Ellis and Thomas for the moment.
Thanks Rovers. Appreciate the insight. Already had Rhodes on my sqaud. Hope he has a great year.
 
So, if Kimo and Ellis are starting DE's, where is B. Thomas in that formation?
Kimo is out in the nickel and dime.... and hopefully, Kenyon Coleman can push him out of the standard starting DE spot on 1st and 2nds. Kimo had no FF value last year, and he'll be even worse this year, be subbed out in pass D packages. Thomas was replacing Kimo today in the pass D packages.
So, B. THomas has become situation type DE? After Abraham leaving you'd think it had all changed and Thomas was their man.
 
Bizkiteer said:
Rovers said:
Bizkiteer said:
So, if Kimo and Ellis are starting DE's, where is B. Thomas in that formation?
Kimo is out in the nickel and dime.... and hopefully, Kenyon Coleman can push him out of the standard starting DE spot on 1st and 2nds. Kimo had no FF value last year, and he'll be even worse this year, be subbed out in pass D packages. Thomas was replacing Kimo today in the pass D packages.
So, B. THomas has become situation type DE? After Abraham leaving you'd think it had all changed and Thomas was their man.
Sort of... Thomas is still the starting OLB, but Bowens has looked good, and Kimo has no pass rush ability, so as of now, it's Thomas taking every first team snap in the nickel and dime looks at RDE, with Bowens going in at OLB. The Jets need to find a way to put more of a pass rush together, and for the time being, this is how they are trying to accomplish that it seems. What I did not get a handle on (but will on Wednesday if they have another pass happy practice like this one) is what players were in the rest of those packages. I think it was Bowens and Vilma and 6 DB's- Dyson, Barrett, Miller, Rhodes, Coleman and Smith. Smith was being moved around a lot in those packages. So, to be clear, Thomas is still the starting OLB in the standard 3-4, but moves to DE in the nickle and dime packages... hope that clears up any confusion.Speaking of which, there were very few running plays called yesterday. I'd guess it was 85 to 90% passing plays. Lots of work for the nickle and dime formations.
 
Great post, Rovers, thanks for the updates.

Fantastic news about Thomas, hopefully he'll stay stay listed at DE. :fingers crossed:

 
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Rovers said:
Bizkiteer said:
So, if Kimo and Ellis are starting DE's, where is B. Thomas in that formation?
Kimo is out in the nickel and dime.... and hopefully, Kenyon Coleman can push him out of the standard starting DE spot on 1st and 2nds. Kimo had no FF value last year, and he'll be even worse this year, be subbed out in pass D packages. Thomas was replacing Kimo today in the pass D packages.
So, B. THomas has become situation type DE? After Abraham leaving you'd think it had all changed and Thomas was their man.
Sort of... Thomas is still the starting OLB, but Bowens has looked good, and Kimo has no pass rush ability, so as of now, it's Thomas taking every first team snap in the nickel and dime looks at RDE, with Bowens going in at OLB. The Jets need to find a way to put more of a pass rush together, and for the time being, this is how they are trying to accomplish that it seems. What I did not get a handle on (but will on Wednesday if they have another pass happy practice like this one) is what players were in the rest of those packages. I think it was Bowens and Vilma and 6 DB's- Dyson, Barrett, Miller, Rhodes, Coleman and Smith. Smith was being moved around a lot in those packages. So, to be clear, Thomas is still the starting OLB in the standard 3-4, but moves to DE in the nickle and dime packages... hope that clears up any confusion.Speaking of which, there were very few running plays called yesterday. I'd guess it was 85 to 90% passing plays. Lots of work for the nickle and dime formations.
Got it and thanks for clarifying it all! Maybe he's still listed as a DE, if so...he could be a steal again.Feel like I'm there, okay ever so slight exaggeration. :moneybag:
 
It's a joke if a player plays LB as his main position in the base defense and is listed at DE. Okay, rant over. :lmao:
As a non Jet fan, I watched about 4 Jet games last year... and everytime Thomas spent the majority of time playing in an END position.They really looked to be more of a 5-2 front. But my take was that KVO was more of DT and Thomas a DE.And I get plenty of time watching the 3-4 in Pittsburgh, and it didnt look anything like that. Porter is/was playing LB. Thomas looked to be playing DE to me.Hobson on the other hand, was always standing up as a LB, as were Barton and Vilma.
 
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BigSteelThrill said:
Anthony Borbely said:
It's a joke if a player plays LB as his main position in the base defense and is listed at DE. Okay, rant over. :no:
As a non Jet fan, I watched about 4 Jet games last year... and everytime Thomas spent the majority of time playing in an END position.They really looked to be more of a 5-2 front. But my take was that KVO was more of DT and Thomas a DE.And I get plenty of time watching the 3-4 in Pittsburgh, and it didnt look anything like that. Porter is/was playing LB. Thomas looked to be playing DE to me.Hobson on the other hand, was always standing up as a LB, as were Barton and Vilma.
Those are good points.... the Jets defense DOES look like a 5-2.... the OLB's are on the LoS, but not in a stance. In the nickle and dime packages they do use a three man front.... and as of now, BT is a DE in the pass defense packages. Is he a LB or a DE? He's both. When in that 5-2 look however, either or both OLB's can blitz, hold, or drop into coverage. Hybrids is what I call them, and there is no easy or clean way to list them positionally. Hobson is also on the LoS... but more often does something besides pass rush on passing downs. So, should Hobson be listed as a DE or LB? He lines up the same way Thomas does. He doesn't pass rush near as much.... but he plays the same position as Thomas. These are hybrids. This is a debate and a problem that will remain in IDP leagues for some time to come I think.... no easy way to fix it as of now. News from camp, although I wasn't there today, Coleman was taking snaps at DE over Kimo vonOldhoffen with the first team. Given how awful Kimo was in both the run and pass D last year, this is very welcome news for this Jets homer. I will be back at camp tomorrow, and will post as best I can my observations.
 
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Its simple...

Thomas spends the majority of the time playing a DE hybrid.

Hobson spends the majority of his time playing a LB hybrid.

They both also spend time doing whatever is asked.

I personally can track this issue with IDPs as far back as Karl Mecklenburg.

Its virtually the same today. And not that confusing to me. The league software people sure have fits though.

 
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If Thomas stays listed as a DL then he's gotta be the most valuable fantasy IDP on the Jets. Except maybe Rhodes. But Thomas could put up top 5 numbers possibly and top 15 for sure.

 
Kimo vonO is still holding down the starting DE spot across from Ellis, but both Haynes and Coleman are pushing him.
Haynes who has been out of football since 05?
Haynes... was a DE for Chicago from 2003-2005. News from camp yesterday was Colemam replaced Kimo on the first team D. Haynes has looked pretty good so far. I'm leaving fro TC again here shortly... followed by a BBQ at my place with a few folks from my Jets message board. I'll update this evening some time. It sure is nice being semi-retired this time of year! :goodposting:
 
Kimo vonO is still holding down the starting DE spot across from Ellis, but both Haynes and Coleman are pushing him.
Haynes who has been out of football since 05?
Haynes... was a DE for Chicago from 2003-2005. News from camp yesterday was Colemam replaced Kimo on the first team D. Haynes has looked pretty good so far. I'm leaving fro TC again here shortly... followed by a BBQ at my place with a few folks from my Jets message board. I'll update this evening some time. It sure is nice being semi-retired this time of year! :goodposting:
awesome WW pickup(for the Jets not FF)if he pans out
 
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Here is the sleeper for the Jets this year.... Chansi Stuckey. He catches EVERYTHING thrown his way, and consistantly was the best WR in terms of getting seperation today. He looks a lot like S Moss, but without the built in magnet for the sidelines.
OKAY - so how many of us drafted Stuckey in our rookie drafts? :hifive:

Well, hopefully I have someone to :hifive: with.

Granted it was at #94 overall out of 112 (14 team, 8 rds)... so it was a reaching pretty deep. :thumbup:

 
Wow... just wow. Today I saw the Jets run more 4-3 defense than I saw all thru last year's camp AND season....combined.

Bryan Thomas at DE, either Kimo or Bowens at slant nose, DRob as the 3T, and of course Ellis at DE as well. I'm surprised that Pouha didn't see ant time in the 4-3 at slant nose, but he is still having a good camp at NT in the 3-4. Mangini ran about 65% 4-3 today. Robertson was a beast out of the 4-3, both in run D, but especially in pass rushing. He was constantly in the O backfield disrupting things. Haynes has been nothing short of .... I'll say it... phenominal. He WILL make this team, and before all is said and done, is likely worth a roster spot in most dynasty IDP leagues. He was owning Ferguson.... and Ferguson has owned every other DE they've thrown at him so far... Bryan Thomas or whoever. Haynes is probably the biggest surprise in TC so far. He has speed moves and pursuit speed that is Freeney-like. What in the world happened to him in Chi and N.O.? It seems like every snap he's in on, he's making plays, getting sacks, or getting pressures that disrupt the entire play.

The Jets have stockpiled some pretty good DE's and LB's... I think Schlegel and Kassel are history. Bobby Hamilton got hurt... he was in serious pain. It was a shoulder, and he was down for a long time, but walked off, got some ice, but didn't leave the field... but I think it's serious. His left arm was limp, he couldn't move it at all.

Dyson has what looks like a hand injury, and Revis better get his hiney into camp, because Miller has been looking very good starting across from Barrett. 95% of Harris' snaps are still on the second team. When the Jets run the 4-3, it's Barton, Hobson and of course Vilma in the middle. This defense may actually be the hybrid we were told it would be last year.... they are working that formation a lot, and it's looked more effective than the 3-4 has so far. Could this signal the return of Vilma as a FF stud once again? Stay tuned...

A couple offensive notes.... Brad Smith is a QB. Today he looked like the second best QB on the team. Heck.... he even... dare I say... looked more effective than Pennington who had a solid day. He can make the throws Chad can't, he's relaxed in the pocket, and is fun to watch tuck and run. Strong arm, and accurate. Field presence... leadership ability...he has the whole package. Now, add the fact that he and Stuckey look to be battling for the third WR spot.... saw nothing to change my mind that Stuckey is the Coles replacement in a year, more likely two years.

Wadsworth is a nice story, but I think he is a long shot. So many more guys in front of him showing more.... I'll be back at camp on Friday...

 
Great stuff Rovers. As a Thomas and Vilma owner I do my best to tune into your posts this time of year.

Solid hiney reference too.

 
I'm a Vilma owner and even a few extra 4-3 looks will really help him. This sounds like Mangini looking to take advantage of the skills of his players.

Thanks for the great reports, and I took a shot and picked up Haynes in a deep 16 team league. No risk since we cut 13 players before the season. It's obvious he has talent, otherwise he wouldn't have been a first round pick. But this is a shocker nonetheless. Things like that are why these reports are valuable to the serious fantasy players.

What is your take on the battle between Coleman and Smith?

 
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I'm a Vilma owner and even a few extra 4-3 looks will really help him. This sounds like Mangini looking to take advantage of the skills of his players. Thanks for the great reports, and I took a shot and picked up Haynes in a deep 16 team league. No risk since we cut 13 players before the season. It's obvious he has talent, otherwise he wouldn't have been a first round pick. But this is a shocker nonetheless. Things like that are why these reports are valuable to the serious fantasy players. What is your take on the battle between Coleman and Smith?
First, a correction... it was Kimo and Coleman rotating at slant nose in the 4-3... not Bowens... hey it was late, and I had more than a couple of brews with my Jet fan buds after practice.... :thumbup: Smith is getting a lot of reps, that's for sure. I am not at all sure how it will play out. Smith has incedible athletisism, and with his vertical leap, he's great in the red zone, batting down passes in the end zone..... he is also a pretty big hitter. Coleman is better in coverage, as Smith doesn't really have the speed to cover deep. Smith is better in run defense. He could be a pro bowler if he had a little more speed, but that is a pretty big hole in his talent set. So, I think Coleman's coverage ability will keep him on the field, but my best guess is that these two could easilly be in a situational rotation. Coleman in most of the time, Smith in on running downs, and in the red zone, where his lack of speed doesn't make him a liability. Haynes and Stuckey... this year's big surprises in camp. If Haynes keeps this up, he will force Mangini to play him somewhere, he's been perhaps the biggest play maker on the D side so far. I simply can't understand why he was an FA that no one went after. N.O. cut him in camp last year, right? I think there must be more to this than meets the eye. On one play yesterday, he was actually closing on Brad Smith when Smith rolled away from the pressure Haynes put on him, and Smith is pretty fast. Smith had to throw the ball OoB. He wasn't going to be able to turn the corner upfield, Haynes had him lined up, and that was the far sideline, not even on the side Haynes lined up on. That is the sort of disruption he has put on the offense consistantly.
 
Some kind of back issue with Haynes that never healed last year. Bears tried to move him inside when Lovie Smith came on board and it never worked out. That would've been his second season, around the time a lot of young DEs break out.

His upside with the Jets will depend on how much 4-3 they run. Maybe a Jarvis Green type player if things break right.

Lots of good stuff Rovers. Much appreciated.

 
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Re: The Coleman vs. Smith TC battle:

I just read something that Tom Rock of Newsday wrote, after a conversation with Mangini:

Smith pushing to start

Second-year safety Eric Smith an impressive rookie campaign for the Jets, nabbing two interceptions and contributing on special teams. This year, with a strong showing in training camp, he could be pushing Erik Coleman for a starting job. Mangini said he's been especially happy with Smith's play in deep ball situations. "Some guys can get to the ball, but he can catch it," Mangini said. "That's a big plus."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jet...0,5451099.story

I don't doubt the quote, but the way Rock set up for the quote is what I don't trust completely. Smith does have good hands, and can beat WR's in traffic to take the ball away, but this year the beat reporters have gotten bunches of things wrong... mistakes that aren't excusable.

For instance, one writer said Hamilton had someone roll on his ankle, another one said it was his hip, one said he left the field, and yet another said he went back in and practiced. I was there. They all got it wrong. Hamilton was down for a long time, and in serious pain. He walked off eventually, without a limp. He was resting his left arm on his hip, because he couldn't move it. He went under the trainer's tent, and came back out over a half hour later. His grey shirt was soaking wet around his left shoulder. He could not move his arm at all. He never left the field, but never put pads back on, nevermind returning to play. These guys have been very sloppy this year. I don't believe any of them unless I see it confirmed by another source.

I'm not saying Rock has this wrong, but I don't trust him to get things right, either. Take Mangini's quote by itself, and it says nothing about any "deep ball situations". Mangini may have been just talking in general about how Smith has a nose for the ball, and has good hands. The rap on Smith has always been his speed and ability to cover deep. In every other measurable, he's an extremely gifted athlete, from his vertical to strength.... but I thought I should post this in any case, as perhaps Mangini was indeed talking about Smith's deep coverage ability, but I find that a little hard to swallow, personally. Perhaps Smith has gotten better in deep coverage... it's possible.

 
Hey Rovers,

A number of outlets are mentioning having received a depth chart from their respective teams. I know you'd have mentioned it already if you had one, but anyway to tweak one of your contacts to see what Mangini is "officially" up to.

 
Hey Rovers, A number of outlets are mentioning having received a depth chart from their respective teams. I know you'd have mentioned it already if you had one, but anyway to tweak one of your contacts to see what Mangini is "officially" up to.
Jene, that is a tough nut to crack with this franchise. First, Mangini will have nothing to do with generating the depth chart... he will leave that up to Randy Lange, the ex-beat reporter who now works for the Jets PR dept this year. I actually did talk to my one guy on the FO.... he says he has no clue... even he was surprised to see so much 4-3 in training camp. There is no telling what D scheme they might use for the base depth chart at this point. Months ago, I was sure it would be 3-4.... but with them running so much 4-3 in camp, all bets are off. I think right now, even Lange has no clue as to what he'll furnish to the NFL.
 
Didn't go to camp today, hate weekends and the heat was brutal, but I did hear some bad news. Eric Smith went down, and stayed down for a long time. He evenyually left the field, but with a trainer under each shoulder. Word is he was putting some weight on his legs, but not much. This does not sound good.

 
Jene.... someone on the Jets staff must have heard you asking for a depth chart.

http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/depth_charts/

Clearly, there are some mistakes on the depth chart. Pouha is the clear #2 NT, not Mosley. I don't believe Costanzo over Harris. Hicks over Coleman? I'm not sure about Hamilton over Haynes either. No way the season starts with Kimo as the starter imo. It will be Coleman, I'd bet the mortage payment on it.

Funny, last year this was a straight 3-4 D, but it was listed as a 4-3. this year, they run a lot of 4-3, and they switch the chart to a 3-4. I'm actually surprised they did a chart at all, but I see Randy Lange's hand all over this.

I also see more rotation this year on D... like Haynes as a pass rush specialist, Thomas in a stance in the nickle and dime with Vilma and Bowens lining up in the LB spots in those 3 down lineman pass defense sets. Much can change of course, but if I were Lange, I would have changed things up a bit from this version.

The offense looks right, but I think Jackson and Stuckey will battle it out and who will win is far from decided as of yet. Dyson has been playing on the second team, but he's been dinged up some, and I chalk that up as the reason he's with the 2nd D in TC so far.

 
Ummm, that depth chart had Hobson as the ROLB and Thomas as LOLB.

I swear to goodness I always saw Thomas on the right.
Mostly, Thomas did line up at LOLB, but he did see time on the right side, and when he goes into a DE stance in TC this year, he's on the right.
 
Ummm, that depth chart had Hobson as the ROLB and Thomas as LOLB.

I swear to goodness I always saw Thomas on the right.
I saw Thomas a lot on the strong side last year. The inside linebackers also appear to be flipped on this chart. I'm still a little flummoxed about the ILB situation in the Belichick defense, but the Cleveland ILB depth chart has always noted Andra Davis as the LILB/MLB and he's always been the higher point producer. Vilma played on the weak side last year in every game I watched.

Thanks for the link Rovers. The Jets are going to be high on the list of teams I'll try to get a look at during the pre-season.

 
Ummm, that depth chart had Hobson as the ROLB and Thomas as LOLB.

I swear to goodness I always saw Thomas on the right.
I saw Thomas a lot on the strong side last year. The inside linebackers also appear to be flipped on this chart. I'm still a little flummoxed about the ILB situation in the Belichick defense, but the Cleveland ILB depth chart has always noted Andra Davis as the LILB/MLB and he's always been the higher point producer. Vilma played on the weak side last year in every game I watched.

Thanks for the link Rovers. The Jets are going to be high on the list of teams I'll try to get a look at during the pre-season.
OK.... help me out here.... the strong side is generally the right side when behind the offense, right? That is the side Thomas usually lined up on, the LOLB when viewing the D from behind.... or do I have this wrong now? Just when you think you know something.... LOL. Vilma is still on the weak side. That is where they have Harris playing as well so far. Miller apparently pulled a hammy pretty bad yesterday, and the lame beat reporters only said that Eric Smith had a "wrap" on his right leg, whatever a "wrap" is.... and he obviously did not participate in the mock game-scrimmage the Jets held. Was this "wrap" on his knee? Thigh? Beat reporters suck. I have to go to TC tomorrow to get a better idea on these injuries.... it's amazing how incompetant these beat reporters are.... they have a scoop... and say almost nothing.

 
OK.... help me out here.... the strong side is generally the right side when behind the offense, right? That is the side Thomas usually lined up on, the LOLB when viewing the D from behind.... or do I have this wrong now? Just when you think you know something.... LOL. Vilma is still on the weak side. That is where they have Harris playing as well so far.
I believe you've got it right. In general, offenses are right handed -- right handed quarterback hands to the running back with his left hand (facing "right"). The left side of the defense, by convention, opposes the right side of the offense. So, in general, the left sided defensive players are aligned to the strong side. That usually holds with the gamebooks/depth charts.My recollection from 2006 was:Thomas LOLB // Barton SILB // Vilma WILB // Hobson ROLBHence the concern that the depth chart may have flipped the ILBs. The OLBs looked okay to me, although I acknowledge that Thomas was moved around some last year.
 
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Ummm, that depth chart had Hobson as the ROLB and Thomas as LOLB.

I swear to goodness I always saw Thomas on the right.
I saw Thomas a lot on the strong side last year. The inside linebackers also appear to be flipped on this chart. I'm still a little flummoxed about the ILB situation in the Belichick defense, but the Cleveland ILB depth chart has always noted Andra Davis as the LILB/MLB and he's always been the higher point producer. Vilma played on the weak side last year in every game I watched.

Thanks for the link Rovers. The Jets are going to be high on the list of teams I'll try to get a look at during the pre-season.
OK.... help me out here.... the strong side is generally the right side when behind the offense, right? That is the side Thomas usually lined up on, the LOLB when viewing the D from behind.... or do I have this wrong now? Just when you think you know something.... LOL. Vilma is still on the weak side. That is where they have Harris playing as well so far. Miller apparently pulled a hammy pretty bad yesterday, and the lame beat reporters only said that Eric Smith had a "wrap" on his right leg, whatever a "wrap" is.... and he obviously did not participate in the mock game-scrimmage the Jets held. Was this "wrap" on his knee? Thigh? Beat reporters suck. I have to go to TC tomorrow to get a better idea on these injuries.... it's amazing how incompetant these beat reporters are.... they have a scoop... and say almost nothing.
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Glad I stocked up at DL. Looks like BT is a LB this year.

MFL hasn't made the change yet but it is most likely just a matter of time.

Any worth at LB this season?

 
Glad I stocked up at DL. Looks like BT is a LB this year.MFL hasn't made the change yet but it is most likely just a matter of time.Any worth at LB this season?
Not even close to the same at DE.The Jets official web site, which is where MFL will get its' data, lists BT as a DE on the roster, which is the relevant info. But if you check the teams' depth chart he's listed as a starter at LOLB, where the Jets show a 3-4 defense. Seems like a matter of time till he is changed to LB on the official roster page.Then again, who knows? Maybe the folks in charge of updating the roster page aren't as concerned as the rest of us as to where BT is listed, and he never gets changed.
 

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