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Do players like Culpepper make the right decision? (1 Viewer)

You see players all the time that are still talented, but aren't what they once were, price themselves out of a good team. Maybe it's ego when a guy like Edge signs with Arizona and thinks he can turn them around. Or maybe it's just the Benjamins.

Although C-Pep is a little different. He wants his next contract to be a huge payday. Is he really accomplishing his goals by signing with Oakland? If he stinks there like every other QB has the last couple years, who is gonna sign him to a multi-million dollar contract in 2008? It seems like NFL GMs are more excited about some team's backup than a castoff from the previous year's cellar dweller.

Take Jon Kitna. He sat behind Palmer for two years, waiting for his chance. He could've run and signed with Cleveland or Arizona or something after losing his job to Palmer. But instead he wanted until he got the chance to sign onto a team with a great WR and brilliant offense mind. They are building a team around him, and he'll cash starter paychecks for at least another year if not two. If he runs off to Cleveland, he's cut after a year of being a stopgap and is trying to catch on with another team... again.

So if I'm C-Pep, I take a page out of the Jeff Garcia 2006 playbook. I sign on as a backup on a respectable team with a QB friendly offense. If I have to take the vet minimum to do it, I do it. I bet C-Pep coming off the bench for a game or two in Detroit or Philly, putting up stats good enough to make everyone think "he's back!", will look better for his resume in 2008 than stinking it up with Oakland for 4-5 games then getting benched for a rookie. Or even if he backs up Brady for 16 games in New England (not saying they would've signed him for the vet minimum, just using it as an example) he can add "studied under Bill Bellichick" to his resume. Just associating yourself with greatness looks good to a lot of people.

Any other thoughts?

 
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You see players all the time that are still talented, but aren't what they once were, price themselves out of a good team. Maybe it's ego when a guy like Edge signs with Arizona and thinks he can turn them around. Or maybe it's just the Benjamins.Although C-Pep is a little different. He wants his next contract to be a huge payday. Is he really accomplishing his goals by signing with Oakland? If he stinks there like every other QB has the last couple years, who is gonna sign him to a multi-million dollar contract in 2008? It seems like NFL GMs are more excited about some team's backup than a castoff from the previous year's cellar dweller.Take Jon Kitna. He sat behind Palmer for two years, waiting for his chance. He could've run and signed with Cleveland or Arizona or something after losing his job to Palmer. But instead he wanted until he got the chance to sign onto a team with a great WR and brilliant offense mind. They are building a team around him, and he'll cash starter paychecks for at least another year if not two. If he runs off to Cleveland, he's cut after a year of being a stopgap and is trying to catch on with another team... again.So if I'm C-Pep, I take a page out of the Jeff Garcia 2006 playbook. I sign on as a backup on a respectable team with a QB friendly offense. If I have to take the vet minimum to do it, I do it. I bet C-Pep coming off the bench for a game or two in Detroit or Philly, putting up stats good enough to make everyone think "he's back!", will look better for his resume in 2008 than stinking it up with Oakland for 4-5 games then getting benched for a rookie. Or even if he backs up Brady for 16 games in New England (not saying they would've signed him for the vet minimum, just using it as an example) he can add "studied under Bill Bellichick" to his resume. Just associating yourself with greatness looks good to a lot of people.Any other thoughts?
I agree..Oakland does not make sense at all with Russell on board.
 
people would have thought NO was a death sentence team two years ago.

also, russell likely will not play at all this year.

 
people would have thought NO was a death sentence team two years ago.also, russell likely will not play at all this year.
There also was Reggie White signing with the Packers, which turned a lot of heads. He was one of the first big name players to jump in free agency.
 
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I actually disagree. I think there's only a small list of teams he could've gone to this year that would benefit him. ATL and JAX came to mind at first. Now with the possible Russell holdout, OAK was the best situation he could've hoped for IMO. He should (If healthy...blahblah) have no problem beating out McCown, and stands a pretty good chance at some serious PT this season, especially if this holdout stands through training camp. His best shot at one more good contract with a team, and a legit shot at being thier starter, is to sign somewhere where he'll play some games, and market himself for next season.

 
I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks

 
I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks
When did that happen???
 
worked well for Warner.

Pep just needs to prove he still has it. Whether or not he does remains to be seen. He simply needs a gig where he has the best chance to start

 
people would have thought NO was a death sentence team two years ago.also, russell likely will not play at all this year.
:) I think Culpepper in Oakland makes a lot of sense. He wanted a one year deal to prove himself, have a shot at starting week 1, but then have no obligation to stay with that team and be able to move on the next year for that long term high dollar contract. Culpepper gets his chance, and Oakland adds a player who could help now but will not get in the way of their future (Russell). Win-Win.
 
I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks
When did that happen???
Don't remeber when, but it was a 3 year deal which is why Culp turned it down.
 
I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks
When did that happen???
Don't remeber when, but it was a 3 year deal which is why Culp turned it down.
Guess I'll have to take your word for it. Searched for it, no link.
 
Last I checked Russell was still unsigned and is still a rookie. With McCown at the helm the Raiders are 1 injury away from Andrew Walter. It's only a 1 year deal so I don't see what the fuss is about.

 
I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks
When did that happen???
Don't remeber when, but it was a 3 year deal which is why Culp turned it down.
Guess I'll have to take your word for it. Searched for it, no link.
Not sure I ever saw a link. Heard Adam Schefter mention it on NFLN.
 
I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks
When did that happen???
Don't remeber when, but it was a 3 year deal which is why Culp turned it down.
Guess I'll have to take your word for it. Searched for it, no link.
Not sure I ever saw a link. Heard Adam Schefter mention it on NFLN.
yeah, i heard it mentioned on one of the talk shows and on a couple of boards. Info probably came from someone behind the scenes who couldnt officially comment. Anyway, it was supposedly a 3yr, 15 million offer. I see the logic in his reasoning ... show the world that you're still a capable QB, and parlay that into one last big contract. But as i mentioned before, he's really got his work cut out for him if he wants to look and play well in Oakland. But hey, i give the guy credit for trying to return to form when he could easily just sit on some team's bench for the next few years and still walk away a very rich man. I'm rooting for him

 
If he turned down a 15mil contract he should fire the agent that suggested he could do better

oh, wait...

nevermind

 
I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks
When did that happen???
Don't remeber when, but it was a 3 year deal which is why Culp turned it down.
Guess I'll have to take your word for it. Searched for it, no link.
Not sure I ever saw a link. Heard Adam Schefter mention it on NFLN.
I'll vouch for that. I heard it too.
 
I see the logic in his reasoning ... show the world that you're still a capable QB, and parlay that into one last big contract. But as i mentioned before, he's really got his work cut out for him if he wants to look and play well in Oakland. But hey, i give the guy credit for trying to return to form when he could easily just sit on some team's bench for the next few years and still walk away a very rich man. I'm rooting for him
Same here. I've never been a big Culpepper fan, but I really respect him for this. It's a very gutsy move on his part, and I have to admire his confidence and will root for him because of it.
 
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I think CPepp is making a HUGE mistake. He's trying to show the league he's fully recovered and a capable QB so that next year's offers are much bigger than the 15 million that Jax offered. So he was shopping for a one year deal and the only team that would do it was Oakland. Problem is that even Manning would look less than stellar playing behind that pourous OL. If he's hoping to look good in Oakland to parlay it into a huge deal next year, the flaw in his plan is that it'll be very difficult to come into Oakland, learn their system and play well behind that OL. Want proof? Ask Brooks
When did that happen???
Don't remeber when, but it was a 3 year deal which is why Culp turned it down.
Guess I'll have to take your word for it. Searched for it, no link.
Not sure I ever saw a link. Heard Adam Schefter mention it on NFLN.
yeah, i heard it mentioned on one of the talk shows and on a couple of boards. Info probably came from someone behind the scenes who couldnt officially comment. Anyway, it was supposedly a 3yr, 15 million offer. I see the logic in his reasoning ... show the world that you're still a capable QB, and parlay that into one last big contract. But as i mentioned before, he's really got his work cut out for him if he wants to look and play well in Oakland. But hey, i give the guy credit for trying to return to form when he could easily just sit on some team's bench for the next few years and still walk away a very rich man. I'm rooting for him
I also heard that he turned down a 3 year $15 million contract from JAX. But noone has mentioned what kind of contract it was. Was there guaranteed money. Was there more money "pushed" further into the contract -- so that the deal was essentially a one year deal with a team option to continue the contract? Not enough is really known about the deal.C-Pep clearly thinks he still has it. If he is right, he parlays himself into a big payday next year when free agency starts. The teams know that Oakland has little O-Line, so evaluators will plug that into the equation. IMHO, tHis is C-Peps best chance for a big deal next year. The only other option would be to wait and see if a starter goes down in camp. THis way, however, he only has to beat out McCown and Walters - which if he is "back", then surely he thinks he can do.

 
C-Pep clearly thinks he still has it. If he is right, he parlays himself into a big payday next year when free agency starts. The teams know that Oakland has little O-Line, so evaluators will plug that into the equation. IMHO, tHis is C-Peps best chance for a big deal next year. The only other option would be to wait and see if a starter goes down in camp. THis way, however, he only has to beat out McCown and Walters - which if he is "back", then surely he thinks he can do.
Teams knew that the Browns sucked and factored that into the equation for Jeff Garcia. Result? One year backup contract with the Lions.Teams knew that the Lions sucked and factored that into the equation for Jeff Garcia. Result? One year backup contract with the Eagles.

Teams knew that the Eagles backup QBs put up great stats (AJ Feeley) and factored that into the equation for Jeff Garcia. Result? Two year starters contract with the Bucs.

Could be a coincidence, but teams seem more likely to pay a guy who played little but well for a good team than a lot but poorly for a bad team.

Heck if Garcia were a 25 y/o FA with nothing but his Eagles performance on his resume, he'd be getting overpaid Matt Schaub money.

 
Culpepper is taking a calculated gamble in Oakland. Russell needs some time to develop, and if Culpepper comes in and starts this year in Oakland, he can prove to other NFL he is still starter quality. Now, if his knee is not healed, he is setting himself up for failure.

Oakland has two decent WRs in Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry and a sound RB in Lamont Jordan. Of course the OL is the question, but Culpepper was not getting serious considerations from NFL teams for a chance to start. He feels (I assume) that he is a better QB than McNown.

Edge was a totally different case. He may have just took the money, or he may have thought that the Colts were ready for a decline. Also, he wanted to go somewhere and be 'the man'. He was never going to be that while Manning is in Indy. People can be quite driven, and that is not neccessarily a bad thing. If last year Arizona was a playoff team(if the OL would have played better, it might have happened), Edge would have been greeted as the main cog leading all the young pups. That can be a powerful lure.

Each case is different. Some people are being foolish either listening too much to the wrong people(either close advisors or agents) or overestimating their talents.

I think this is a good move for Culpepper. I think Edge took a chance, and it did not work out last year. It still may work out for Edge, but it definitely has not yet. It looks even worse in hindsight due to Indy's SB win last year.

 
To me, this is about as close to a perfect storm as you are going to get in football.

In 2005, it was Kerry Collins

In 2006, it was Aaron Brooks

Now, the Raiders go to Culpepper.

Three years, three quarterbacks that were effectively shown the door by their former teams.

 
if you are Culpepper, you take what you can get..look, celebrities use shows like 'where are they now' and Surreal life to revive their failing careers, and Culpepper is no different..bad teams are the only one's stupid enough to take bad players, i.e., guys like Culpepper..but he's desperate to play again..so this is a chance for him to revive his career at this point, and play well enough to land a starting gig elsewhere, in the near future..

he's a bust, imo, no matter where he goes..he was strictly the product of a wide opened offense that had the best WR on the planet ( Moss) and the most sure-handed WR ever ( Chris Carter), playing alongside him..

funny how the Raiders trade Moss, and sign Culpepper..if they only waited...doh!

:goodposting:

 

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