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Let's talk about drafting from 7th spot (1 Viewer)

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I've done several mock drafts from the 7th spot. And, there are many ways to go from this position. I've tried going with Manning, and then going RB RB in the 2nd and 3rd round. The 3 mocks I've done so far, for a ten team draft, when drafting Manning at 1.07, usually give me Maroney in the 2nd rd, and then Portis in the 3rd rd. Both RBs have question marks but could potentially be solid performers. The problem seems to be at WR...but I have managed to land Javon Walker 2 of 3 drafts in the 4th rd and Burress in the 5th rd 2 of 3 times.

If you go RB at 1.07, you have the option of grabbing a first tier WR, or a great RB 2 in the 2nd rd. You are looking at RBs like Westbrook, FWP, Alexander, Gore, Addai, and Henry (depending on your cheatsheet) in rd one, and then Maroney, Henry, or maybe Rudi. And there seems to be good RB2 depth this year, and some late Qb solid performers like Roethlisberger, Hasselbech, E. Manning and Losman. I can't believe how low Hasselech is going lately...with his track record he is about as solid as the come. I'm sure his injuries last year have hurt his value a lot.

So, which direction are you guys going, and what has worked best for those of you who have drafted already?

I've personally never taken P. Manning in the 1st rd, but may try it this year as guys like Maroney, Benson, Portis, MJD, and James seem to be there in the 2nd or 3 rds....but mock drafts don't always play out in your own draft.

 
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I'm probably going with FWP, assuming that Addai, Gore, and Alexander go ahead of me. I had Westbrook last year and although he puts up great numbers, the injury concern is always there. Then again I just read that Willie Parker is sitting out of Sundays game because of soreness in the knee. At this point, its anyones guess. :wall:

Don't overlook Ronnie Brown with your second pick either. I usually go RB, RB, QB, WR. This year may be different. Just depends on who falls to me when its my turn to draft. You have to be objective when doing a live draft.

 
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Dealing with the same question. Have considered taking rb rb and hoping carson palmer is there in the third bc i like chances of getting a walker, R moss or A johnson in 4th round. I think i could live with that but i also like Manning, and two of henry / parker/ edge / willis M

 
Have you done a mock in trying to get Manning in the 2nd round with your 7th spot.

From looking at the results, seems pretty much a long shot in a decent league.

I tried it with the 6th overall by taking:

Manning

Steve Smith (could have had any WR here really since Smith was the first one)

Benson (my first RB)

Julius Jones (my 2nd RB)

... still waiting for my next pick ...

 
In the 6th spot with 1.5 PPR, I went Parker, Steve Smith, and TO for my first three picks, if that's any help to you.

For what it's worth, LT, SJax, Westbrook, Alexander, and LJ were gone by the time it got to me.

 
I'm in Indiana...so Manning won't make it out of the first round.

Palmer will go early too, since we live close to Cincinnati.

I'm targetting McNabb in the 5th rd...I like his potential and feel like maybe I can land a Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, or Cutler late in case McNabb doesn't make it thru the season.

I'm thinking RB-RB-WR-WR-QB.

 
I'm also in the 7th spot and have thought about Manning, but haven't liked my team everytime I've done a mock in that direction. At this point I'm looking to go RB-RB-WR. Mocks have me going either Addia / FWP w/ pick 1 and probably Ced Benson in Rd 2. That's early for Benson, but I don't think he'll be around when I come back up in Rd 3 (12 team league) and I think he's going to have a nice season. Have to reach a little if I want him.

That leaves me with someone in the Roy Williams range at WR during Rd 3. Probably take RB in 4 and RB / WRs until rds 8 & 9 where I'l grab my QBs (when the QBBC article come out anyway?).

 
Maroney has not made it to my pick in the second. Curious why you think he will be available? Don't hold your breathe.

 
sjdogs said:
Dealing with the same question. Have considered taking rb rb and hoping carson palmer is there in the third bc i like chances of getting a walker, R moss or A johnson in 4th round. I think i could live with that but i also like Manning, and two of henry / parker/ edge / willis M
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have a feeling AJ is going to have his best season as a pro.. :)

 
I would definately pick Manning at 1.07 this year since he is as surefire as surefire can get and the RBs at that spot are a crapshoot and you might as well have picked at 1.11.

 
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Deuce said:
I've personally never taken P. Manning in the 1st rd, but may try it this year as guys like Maroney, Benson, Portis, MJD, and James seem to be there in the 2nd or 3 rds....but mock drafts don't always play out in your own draft.
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I'd be shocked if two of the three were available in the 2nd and 3rd, yes even in a 10 team.
 
lebowski said:
Deuce said:
I've personally never taken P. Manning in the 1st rd, but may try it this year as guys like Maroney, Benson, Portis, MJD, and James seem to be there in the 2nd or 3 rds....but mock drafts don't always play out in your own draft.
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I'd be shocked if two of the three were available in the 2nd and 3rd, yes even in a 10 team.
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Portis has been there in the 3rd rd in EVERY 10 team mock I've done so far. And, teams in my league tend to pick QBs earlier (6pt td passes). So, I'm almost certain he'll be there. Manning, Henry, Portis seems somewhat doable this year for me. Not sure Henry will make it to 2.04, but I'm fairly confident Portis will be there in the 3rd.

The problem is, you almost are locked into RBs in the 2nd and 3rd if you go QB 1st rd. That leaves you with a 4th rd WR as your WR1.

I am still trying to figure if taking Manning will offset the WR pts you'll lose.

If I could land Brady, McNabb or Bulger in the 4th I'd be tickled...as I think all 3 are in for close to 30 td seasons this year. But that's just one man's opinion.

 
I'm in the same boat, and have done about 10 mocks. I don't like the Manning-led teams I've drafted either.

I'm going with FWP/SA/Addai....then I've decided to follow up with Harrison/Wayne/Holt/TO...IF Henry is not there at #14.

This is my strategy based on the assumption that 1 of the Bush, Portis, MJD, Benson tier will be there for me in Rd 3.

I see a big WR run starting about mid-2nd round...and I want to get ahead of that.

 
gump said:
I'm in the same boat, and have done about 10 mocks. I don't like the Manning-led teams I've drafted either.I'm going with FWP/SA/Addai....then I've decided to follow up with Harrison/Wayne/Holt/TO...IF Henry is not there at #14.This is my strategy based on the assumption that 1 of the Bush, Portis, MJD, Benson tier will be there for me in Rd 3.I see a big WR run starting about mid-2nd round...and I want to get ahead of that.
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Benson/Portis/MJD/Bush will not be there with the 3.7 pick unless it's a 8 team league. In a draft right now and Bush and MJD were 1st rounders (PPR League)Portis and Benson were both taken late in the 2nd
 
Fodasme69 said:
gump said:
I'm in the same boat, and have done about 10 mocks. I don't like the Manning-led teams I've drafted either.I'm going with FWP/SA/Addai....then I've decided to follow up with Harrison/Wayne/Holt/TO...IF Henry is not there at #14.This is my strategy based on the assumption that 1 of the Bush, Portis, MJD, Benson tier will be there for me in Rd 3.I see a big WR run starting about mid-2nd round...and I want to get ahead of that.
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Benson/Portis/MJD/Bush will not be there with the 3.7 pick unless it's a 8 team league. In a draft right now and Bush and MJD were 1st rounders (PPR League)Portis and Benson were both taken late in the 2nd
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I've looked extensively at the last few drafts in my league. I'm pretty confident 1 RB will slip...one usually does. Especially since some mag and other rankings out there have these guys ranked much lower than FBG.13-15 RBs have gone before 3.7 in the last 4 years in my league. So if some guys like Thomas Jones, Edge, McGahee get picked up earlier than we have them ranked, then one of "our" guys falls to 3.7.It's a gamble...but if it works it's a home run, IMO.
 
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Deuce said:
lebowski said:
Deuce said:
I've personally never taken P. Manning in the 1st rd, but may try it this year as guys like Maroney, Benson, Portis, MJD, and James seem to be there in the 2nd or 3 rds....but mock drafts don't always play out in your own draft.
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I'd be shocked if two of the three were available in the 2nd and 3rd, yes even in a 10 team.
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Portis has been there in the 3rd rd in EVERY 10 team mock I've done so far. And, teams in my league tend to pick QBs earlier (6pt td passes). So, I'm almost certain he'll be there. Manning, Henry, Portis seems somewhat doable this year for me. Not sure Henry will make it to 2.04, but I'm fairly confident Portis will be there in the 3rd.

The problem is, you almost are locked into RBs in the 2nd and 3rd if you go QB 1st rd. That leaves you with a 4th rd WR as your WR1.

I am still trying to figure if taking Manning will offset the WR pts you'll lose.

If I could land Brady, McNabb or Bulger in the 4th I'd be tickled...as I think all 3 are in for close to 30 td seasons this year. But that's just one man's opinion.
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No offense, but maybe it's time to find a new place to do your mocks at.Let's keep this on topic, what to do at this draft spot in leagues that sharks are accustomed to playing in. There are specific threads (though admittedly none recently) for how to deal with shall we say - "less competitive" leagues where consensus top 12 RBs fall to the late 3rd round.

Personally, if saddled with the 7th pick it's definitely SA/FWP/Addai/Westy in the 1st (assuming LT, SJ, LJ, and Gore will all almost certainely be gone). The tougher choice is in the 2nd where assuming Portis/Henry/Maroney are gone I'm not really liking the RB value there all that much.

However, you should be able to still snag the end of the tier 1 WR run in the 3rd so it may be worth taking a shot on a RB ike MJD (if he's there) in the 2nd anyhow.

 
Anyone have any recent drafts to show how they did from 7th?

What do you think about Chris Smith's article about drafting from 7 (without giving too much pay content away)?

He believes that we need to dictate the direction of the draft for the 1-4 guys, who in his opinion start off with an advantage, by making smart decisions in even round picks. By "smart decisions", he advocates taking the BPA and ignoring position runs.

My stategy was going to be to beat the WR run by taking one at 2.4. He seems to believe that a RB with a higher VBD value should be the play, or Manning if he falls.

 
I do my mock drafts at Antsports.com. I did 3 last week, trying to see what RBs I'd get with Manning 1.07 ...and all three times I ended up with Henry in the 2nd and Benson in the 3rd.....not too bad.

I think I could live with those RBs.

 
Deuce said:
I do my mock drafts at Antsports.com. I did 3 last week, trying to see what RBs I'd get with Manning 1.07 ...and all three times I ended up with Henry in the 2nd and Benson in the 3rd.....not too bad.I think I could live with those RBs.
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What did your WR corp look like?
 
POS Player Name Team Pick Bye

QB Peyton Manning IND 1.07 6

QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT 9.07 6

RB Travis Henry DEN 2.04 6

RB Cedric Benson CHI 3.07 9

RB Marion III Barber DAL 8.04 8

WR Andre Johnson HOU 4.04 10

WR Hines Ward PIT 5.07 6

WR Reggie Brown PHI 6.04 5

WR Braylon Edwards CLE 7.07 7

 
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POS Player Name Team Pick Bye QB Peyton Manning IND 1.07 6 QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT 9.07 6 RB Travis Henry DEN 2.04 6 RB Cedric Benson CHI 3.07 9 RB Marion III Barber DAL 8.04 8 WR Andre Johnson HOU 4.04 10 WR Hines Ward PIT 5.07 6 WR Reggie Brown PHI 6.04 5 WR Braylon Edwards CLE 7.07 7
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WR are so-so.
 
einstein2u said:
Deuce said:
POS Player Name Team Pick Bye QB Peyton Manning IND 1.07 6 QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT 9.07 6 RB Travis Henry DEN 2.04 6 RB Cedric Benson CHI 3.07 9 RB Marion III Barber DAL 8.04 8 WR Andre Johnson HOU 4.04 10 WR Hines Ward PIT 5.07 6 WR Reggie Brown PHI 6.04 5 WR Braylon Edwards CLE 7.07 7
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WR are so-so.
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That's where you suffer the most, IMO. It's possible to take Manning and still get decent value at RB in rd 2,3....but you're looking thin at WR if the your WR1 is drafted in the 4th rd. But, Manning generally scores more than 30-40 pts than the 2nd ranked QB it seems, so you may not lose that much. The earliest I take a WR anyway is RD3, so you're looking at 6 picks between 3.07 and 4.04 difference...and not everyone will take a WR. I'm hoping J. Walker will fall to the 4th rd, but I don't expect that to happen.
 
Just finished this one going RB RB

QB Donovan McNabb PHI 5.08 5

QB Matt Leinart ARI 8.03 8

QB Alex Smith SFO 11.08 6

RB Travis Henry DEN 1.08 6

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 2.03 5

RB Brandon Jacobs NYG 4.03 9

RB Jerious Norwood ATL 7.08 8

RB Brandon Jackson GBP 9.08 7

RB Vernand Morency GBP 10.03 7

WR Reggie Wayne IND 3.08 6

WR Reggie Brown PHI 6.03 5

WR Brandon Jones TEN 13.08 4

WR Muhsin Muhammad CHI 14.03 9

WR Derrick Mason BAL 15.08 8

PK Matt Stover BAL 16.03 8

DT Denver Broncos DEN

 
Deuce said:
Just finished this one going RB RBQB Donovan McNabb PHI 5.08 5 QB Matt Leinart ARI 8.03 8 QB Alex Smith SFO 11.08 6 RB Travis Henry DEN 1.08 6 RB Rudi Johnson CIN 2.03 5 RB Brandon Jacobs NYG 4.03 9 RB Jerious Norwood ATL 7.08 8 RB Brandon Jackson GBP 9.08 7 RB Vernand Morency GBP 10.03 7 WR Reggie Wayne IND 3.08 6 WR Reggie Brown PHI 6.03 5 WR Brandon Jones TEN 13.08 4 WR Muhsin Muhammad CHI 14.03 9 WR Derrick Mason BAL 15.08 8 PK Matt Stover BAL 16.03 8 DT Denver Broncos DEN
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which wr could you have gotten if you pass on jacobs?not overly happy with this WR either.
 
einstein2u said:
Deuce said:
Just finished this one going RB RBQB Donovan McNabb PHI 5.08 5 QB Matt Leinart ARI 8.03 8 QB Alex Smith SFO 11.08 6 RB Travis Henry DEN 1.08 6 RB Rudi Johnson CIN 2.03 5 RB Brandon Jacobs NYG 4.03 9 RB Jerious Norwood ATL 7.08 8 RB Brandon Jackson GBP 9.08 7 RB Vernand Morency GBP 10.03 7 WR Reggie Wayne IND 3.08 6 WR Reggie Brown PHI 6.03 5 WR Brandon Jones TEN 13.08 4 WR Muhsin Muhammad CHI 14.03 9 WR Derrick Mason BAL 15.08 8 PK Matt Stover BAL 16.03 8 DT Denver Broncos DEN
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which wr could you have gotten if you pass on jacobs?not overly happy with this WR either.
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Andre Johnson. May have been the move there...Jacobs is in for a good year, IMO. And I could use him as trade bait for a good WR later in the year if Jones doesn't pan out.
 
gump said:
Anyone have any recent drafts to show how they did from 7th?

What do you think about Chris Smith's article about drafting from 7 (without giving too much pay content away)?

He believes that we need to dictate the direction of the draft for the 1-4 guys, who in his opinion start off with an advantage, by making smart decisions in even round picks. By "smart decisions", he advocates taking the BPA and ignoring position runs.

My stategy was going to be to beat the WR run by taking one at 2.4. He seems to believe that a RB with a higher VBD value should be the play, or Manning if he falls.
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'beating a run' is one of the stupidest things you can do in a draft. Why on earth would someone want to start a run with a guy like S. Smith or Harrison when they could get a very similar WR 8 or 9 picks later? You're just throwing value out of the window and giving an even bigger advantage to the other managers. If the draft goes something like this:

1.1- RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB - YOURS

QB

RB

1.12- RB

2.1- RB

RB

RB

WR -YOURS (Smith)

WR (Harrison)

RB

WR (Holt)

WR (CJ)

RB

RB

WR (T.O)

2.12-WR (Wayne)

Wouldnt you rather be the guy taking Wayne or TO instead of Smith or Harrison when they are so similar?

DO NOT START POSITION RUNS... END THEM! :thumbup:

 
-Crippler- said:
gump said:
Anyone have any recent drafts to show how they did from 7th?

What do you think about Chris Smith's article about drafting from 7 (without giving too much pay content away)?

He believes that we need to dictate the direction of the draft for the 1-4 guys, who in his opinion start off with an advantage, by making smart decisions in even round picks. By "smart decisions", he advocates taking the BPA and ignoring position runs.

My stategy was going to be to beat the WR run by taking one at 2.4. He seems to believe that a RB with a higher VBD value should be the play, or Manning if he falls.
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'beating a run' is one of the stupidest things you can do in a draft. Why on earth would someone want to start a run with a guy like S. Smith or Harrison when they could get a very similar WR 8 or 9 picks later? You're just throwing value out of the window and giving an even bigger advantage to the other managers. If the draft goes something like this:

1.1- RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB - YOURS

QB

RB

1.12- RB

2.1- RB

RB

RB

WR -YOURS (Smith)

WR (Harrison)

RB

WR (Holt)

WR (CJ)

RB

RB

WR (T.O)

2.12-WR (Wayne)

Wouldnt you rather be the guy taking Wayne or TO instead of Smith or Harrison when they are so similar?

DO NOT START POSITION RUNS... END THEM! :clap:
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I tend to agree with this, however, it doesn't apply to all positions. If you can get a Gates or Manning (who are both way ahead of their competitors each year in scoring) you grab them, rather then waiting on the 5th or 6th TE later.
 
-Crippler- said:
gump said:
Anyone have any recent drafts to show how they did from 7th?

What do you think about Chris Smith's article about drafting from 7 (without giving too much pay content away)?

He believes that we need to dictate the direction of the draft for the 1-4 guys, who in his opinion start off with an advantage, by making smart decisions in even round picks. By "smart decisions", he advocates taking the BPA and ignoring position runs.

My stategy was going to be to beat the WR run by taking one at 2.4. He seems to believe that a RB with a higher VBD value should be the play, or Manning if he falls.
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'beating a run' is one of the stupidest things you can do in a draft. Why on earth would someone want to start a run with a guy like S. Smith or Harrison when they could get a very similar WR 8 or 9 picks later? You're just throwing value out of the window and giving an even bigger advantage to the other managers. If the draft goes something like this:

1.1- RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB - YOURS

QB

RB

1.12- RB

2.1- RB

RB

RB

WR -YOURS (Smith)

WR (Harrison)

RB

WR (Holt)

WR (CJ)

RB

RB

WR (T.O)

2.12-WR (Wayne)

Wouldnt you rather be the guy taking Wayne or TO instead of Smith or Harrison when they are so similar?

DO NOT START POSITION RUNS... END THEM! :popcorn:
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Two issues with this:a) You have 6 WR going in the top 24 picks. I have pick 27 in round 3. My league usually picks 10-12 by then. Our WR run is heavy in the late 2nd and early 3rd.

b) The WR top tier seems like it is clearer to me than the top 2 RB tiers.

- If I have 11 WR in my first tier, I risk missing out on any of them.

- I have 14 RBs in my top 2 tiers....but I've seen various mixtures including another 3-4 in this tier.

- I'm assuming all 11 WR will go, then Manning and Brady, and another 13 RBs before I pick at 3.7.

This leads me to believe that if I start the WR run and get one of my top 2-3, I can still get a RB from my 2nd tier in round 3.

If I take a 2nd tier RB in round 2, I have a greater chance of missing a tier 1 WR in round 3.

 
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gump said:
Anyone have any recent drafts to show how they did from 7th?

What do you think about Chris Smith's article about drafting from 7 (without giving too much pay content away)?

He believes that we need to dictate the direction of the draft for the 1-4 guys, who in his opinion start off with an advantage, by making smart decisions in even round picks. By "smart decisions", he advocates taking the BPA and ignoring position runs.

My stategy was going to be to beat the WR run by taking one at 2.4. He seems to believe that a RB with a higher VBD value should be the play, or Manning if he falls.
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'beating a run' is one of the stupidest things you can do in a draft. Why on earth would someone want to start a run with a guy like S. Smith or Harrison when they could get a very similar WR 8 or 9 picks later? You're just throwing value out of the window and giving an even bigger advantage to the other managers. If the draft goes something like this:

1.1- RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB

RB - YOURS

QB

RB

1.12- RB

2.1- RB

RB

RB

WR -YOURS (Smith)

WR (Harrison)

RB

WR (Holt)

WR (CJ)

RB

RB

WR (T.O)

2.12-WR (Wayne)

Wouldnt you rather be the guy taking Wayne or TO instead of Smith or Harrison when they are so similar?

DO NOT START POSITION RUNS... END THEM! :clap:
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I'm not too sure what your point is here as you don't have the 2.12 pick as your next pick. Instead you must wait until 3.7Secondly, ending runs only means you are getting the lowest valued player of that player run. Why would you want to take a RB that 17 other owners didn't want when you can start the next run and get your choice of the receiver highest on your draft board. In addition, there will likely be a run on receivers through this stretch and a similar running back will fall to you with the 3.7 pick.

If you are in a draft that is RB heavy through the first two rounds, going with the flow and taking a running back as well offers you no value at all unless a running back you have ranked high on your sheets falls to the spot.

In addition, you are allowing the owners fortunate enough to be at the top of the draft board with Tomlinson, Jackson, etc. the luxury of starting a draft like this

Tomlinson

Chad Johnson

Terrell Owens

Which is a massive advantage over say

Willie Parker

Ronnie Brown

Lee Evans

The best thing to do from the 7 hole is let the draft come to you and don't force yourself into taking a RB in round two. This is definitely the year to wait on RB with pretty good players available in rounds three to six. Instead scooping up a receiver like Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, etc or even TE Antonio Gates could really pay off.

What it all boils down to really is 'flexibility'. Don't force your hand, don't be afraid to step off the beaten trail and adjust your draft strategy as you go.

Personally from the 7 hole, I believe most of the time this season, I will start the draft

RB, WR, RB

or

RB, WR, WR

depending on who's available.

 
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What it all boils down to really is 'flexibility'.
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:) In a mock I'm doing now at Ant....I took the following:1.7 - Parker2.4 - TO3.7 - Wayne4.4 - BensonI was planning on taking Portis at 3.7...but he was taken the slot ahead of me. So I switched gears and went with Wayne. Having that flexibility allowed me to chose the BPA, whether it was WR or RB.
 
gump said:
Chris Smith said:
What it all boils down to really is 'flexibility'.
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:rant: In a mock I'm doing now at Ant....I took the following:1.7 - Parker2.4 - TO3.7 - Wayne4.4 - BensonI was planning on taking Portis at 3.7...but he was taken the slot ahead of me. So I switched gears and went with Wayne. Having that flexibility allowed me to chose the BPA, whether it was WR or RB.
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I just did another mock from the 7 spot on Ant...and it unfolded exactly as I was afraid it would.1.7 - Parker2.4 - MJD3.7 - Roy WilliamsPortis again fell to me at 3.7...but since I was not comfortable drafting RB/RB/RB, I felt I had to go WR. Wayne and TO went the two picks ahead of me. So instead of getting one of my top 5 WR, I ended up getting my #10.Parker is the same.I have Portis ranked equal with MJD.I have Wayne ranked #3, and Roy ranked #10.There's the difference when you limit your flexibility (esp if you don't want to start with 3 RBs).
 
gump said:
gump said:
Chris Smith said:
What it all boils down to really is 'flexibility'.
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:goodposting: In a mock I'm doing now at Ant....I took the following:1.7 - Parker2.4 - TO3.7 - Wayne4.4 - BensonI was planning on taking Portis at 3.7...but he was taken the slot ahead of me. So I switched gears and went with Wayne. Having that flexibility allowed me to chose the BPA, whether it was WR or RB.
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I just did another mock from the 7 spot on Ant...and it unfolded exactly as I was afraid it would.1.7 - Parker2.4 - MJD3.7 - Roy WilliamsPortis again fell to me at 3.7...but since I was not comfortable drafting RB/RB/RB, I felt I had to go WR. Wayne and TO went the two picks ahead of me. So instead of getting one of my top 5 WR, I ended up getting my #10.Parker is the same.I have Portis ranked equal with MJD.I have Wayne ranked #3, and Roy ranked #10.There's the difference when you limit your flexibility (esp if you don't want to start with 3 RBs).
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How many more points do you expect Wayne to outscore Roy Williams by? The ranking between the two receivers isn't all that relevant if the actual point total between the two is rather close.What receivers were available at 4.04? Perhaps you should have gone with Portis at 3.07?
 
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How many more points do you expect Wayne to outscore Roy Williams by? The ranking between the two receivers isn't all that relevant if the actual point total between the two is rather close.
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I've got him by 20 points over Roy...I'm really high on Wayne.
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What receivers were available at 4.04? Perhaps you should have gone with Portis at 3.07?
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Housh went just before. Driver, AJ, and Burress were available at 4.04.The issue I have with taking Portis at 3.7 is that I am then forced to look WR. In the other draft, I could go either RB or WR in RD 4 and 5...whereever the best value falls. I went RB with Benson in the 4th, who I have ranked not far behind Portis. Then followed that up with Lee Evans in the 5th.So Wayne fell (in my rankings) and I was able to take him.Benson fell and I was able to take him.Then Evans fell, and I was able to take him.Flexibility.I cannot come up with a better start than Parker-TO-Wayne-Benson-Evans....according to MY VBD rankings.
 
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gump said:
GDogg said:
How many more points do you expect Wayne to outscore Roy Williams by? The ranking between the two receivers isn't all that relevant if the actual point total between the two is rather close.
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I've got him by 20 points over Roy...I'm really high on Wayne.
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What receivers were available at 4.04? Perhaps you should have gone with Portis at 3.07?
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Housh went just before. Driver, AJ, and Burress were available at 4.04.The issue I have with taking Portis at 3.7 is that I am then forced to look WR. In the other draft, I could go either RB or WR in RD 4 and 5...whereever the best value falls. I went RB with Benson in the 4th, who I have ranked not far behind Portis. Then followed that up with Lee Evans in the 5th.So Wayne fell (in my rankings) and I was able to take him.Benson fell and I was able to take him.Then Evans fell, and I was able to take him.Flexibility.I cannot come up with a better start than Parker-TO-Wayne-Benson-Evans....according to MY VBD rankings.
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It also depends on your starting requirements. If you only start two WR (and a flex), then that would not be my ideal start to a draft.You're a lot higher on Benson than I am because I would much rather start with your other mock team: 1.07 Parker (I'm higher on others, but Parker's a solid choice)2.06 Drew (if he's here in my draft, I'm taking him)3.07 Portis (I'll have the best RB/Flex in the league)4.06 Driver (Always finishes in the Top 10)5.07 BPA (if a top 2 tier WR falls, grab him; if another RB falls, grab him; if a top 2 QB is here grab him; if Gates falls, grab him)My league starts 2 RB's, 2 WR's and a Flex (RB/WR/TE). I didn't think I'd do it before, but if my tiers dictate it, I'd start RB/RB/RB.
 
QB Peyton Manning IND 1.07 6

RB Willis McGahee BAL 2.04 8

RB Cedric Benson CHI 3.07 9

WR Donald Driver GBP 4.04 7

WR Hines Ward PIT 5.07 6

WR Santana Moss WAS 6.04 4

This is my latest draft trying Manning in the first. This looks like a very solid team to me. I don't see many weaknesses at any position.

From what I've seen so far...

2nd Rd: Henry or McGahee are available. Both Rbs are every down Rbs. Both are solid RBs coming to new teams in better situations. I think both have top 10 potential, which is what you'd probably be getting by going RB in Rd1. Both guys on teams with solid DEF

3rd Rd: Benson is available every time, and sometimes Portis. I may go Portis here once his injury concerns clear up a litte (if they do). Benson isn't a sexy pick, but he won't be replaced at the GL, will most likely get over 300 carries, and has a team with a great DEF.

4th Rd: This is where flexibility comes into play. In a TE league, if Gates is there you almost have to grab him. WRs have varied a lot, but you can usually land someone in the Walker, Driver, or Evans range. I'm comfortable with any 3 of these guys, as they are the clear cut #1 WR on their teams.

5th Rd: WR, or even backup RB. I like Ward here, he's a consistent producer, has an up and coming QB, and a new offense that should air it out a little more (I mean go down field, not throw a lot).

After the 5th, I look for best value at WR or RB.

 
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GDogg said:
gump said:
GDogg said:
How many more points do you expect Wayne to outscore Roy Williams by? The ranking between the two receivers isn't all that relevant if the actual point total between the two is rather close.
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I've got him by 20 points over Roy...I'm really high on Wayne.
GDogg said:
What receivers were available at 4.04? Perhaps you should have gone with Portis at 3.07?
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Housh went just before. Driver, AJ, and Burress were available at 4.04.The issue I have with taking Portis at 3.7 is that I am then forced to look WR. In the other draft, I could go either RB or WR in RD 4 and 5...whereever the best value falls. I went RB with Benson in the 4th, who I have ranked not far behind Portis. Then followed that up with Lee Evans in the 5th.So Wayne fell (in my rankings) and I was able to take him.Benson fell and I was able to take him.Then Evans fell, and I was able to take him.Flexibility.I cannot come up with a better start than Parker-TO-Wayne-Benson-Evans....according to MY VBD rankings.
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It also depends on your starting requirements. If you only start two WR (and a flex), then that would not be my ideal start to a draft.You're a lot higher on Benson than I am because I would much rather start with your other mock team: 1.07 Parker (I'm higher on others, but Parker's a solid choice)2.06 Drew (if he's here in my draft, I'm taking him)3.07 Portis (I'll have the best RB/Flex in the league)4.06 Driver (Always finishes in the Top 10)5.07 BPA (if a top 2 tier WR falls, grab him; if another RB falls, grab him; if a top 2 QB is here grab him; if Gates falls, grab him)My league starts 2 RB's, 2 WR's and a Flex (RB/WR/TE). I didn't think I'd do it before, but if my tiers dictate it, I'd start RB/RB/RB.
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All depends on league and VBD I guess.We start 3 WR...and I have both Wayne and TO ranked ahead of Drew and Portis in my VBD...and Benson just behind Portis. My first team blows that one away because the top WR are being valued more than the 10-15 RBs.
 
Just did a 12 team mock from the 7 spot. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR league. I ended up with:

1.07 - Westbrook

2.06 - Owens

3.07 - Housh

4.06 - A. Green

5.07 - T. Heap

6.06 - S. Holmes

7.07 - V. Jackson

8.06 - L. White

9.07 - R. Droughns

10.06 - Roethlisberger

11.07 - D. Rhodes

12.06 - B. Leftwich

13.07 - E. Kennison

 
just had my draft from 7 and ended up with

kitna, e manning

bush,portis,a green, l betts

s.smith,b berrian,dj hackett

a gates, scaife

hansen, elam

ravens, steelers

very weak at wr but hoping to pull a colston from somewhere.

 
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What about Henry at pick 7. These are the names your looking at so why not Henry.

Westbrook - injured every year.

Parker - just had a career year and now may lose goal line carries, and already his knee hurts

Addai - never carried full load, injury prone in collge. upside but who knows. Big Iffs

Alexander - over 30, lost a step last year, OL lost key players, and

was injuried. has a ton of miles.

Henry - The guys was great in the Titans last year. Comes to Denver who always has a great running game. Solid line, all signs point to a great season.

In a PPR league how do you rank these 5 players..

 
Justin99 said:
What about Henry at pick 7. These are the names your looking at so why not Henry. Westbrook - injured every year.Parker - just had a career year and now may lose goal line carries, and already his knee hurtsAddai - never carried full load, injury prone in collge. upside but who knows. Big IffsAlexander - over 30, lost a step last year, OL lost key players, andwas injuried. has a ton of miles.Henry - The guys was great in the Titans last year. Comes to Denver who always has a great running game. Solid line, all signs point to a great season. In a PPR league how do you rank these 5 players..
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In PPR, this is what my tier looks like at the moment...WestbrookBushAddaiAlexanderParkerHenry
 
GDogg said:
Justin99 said:
What about Henry at pick 7. These are the names your looking at so why not Henry.

Westbrook - injured every year.

Parker - just had a career year and now may lose goal line carries, and already his knee hurts

Addai - never carried full load, injury prone in collge. upside but who knows. Big Iffs

Alexander - over 30, lost a step last year, OL lost key players, and

was injuried. has a ton of miles.

Henry - The guys was great in the Titans last year. Comes to Denver who always has a great running game. Solid line, all signs point to a great season.

In a PPR league how do you rank these 5 players..
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In PPR, this is what my tier looks like at the moment...Westbrook

Bush

Addai

Alexander

Parker

Henry
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What are you basing this off? Why would the Steelers not use Parker at the GL? He was phenominal last year in that role, and everything I've heard points to him as an every down RB.
 
Deuce said:
GDogg said:
Justin99 said:
What about Henry at pick 7. These are the names your looking at so why not Henry.

Westbrook - injured every year.

Parker - just had a career year and now may lose goal line carries, and already his knee hurts

Addai - never carried full load, injury prone in collge. upside but who knows. Big Iffs

Alexander - over 30, lost a step last year, OL lost key players, and

was injuried. has a ton of miles.

Henry - The guys was great in the Titans last year. Comes to Denver who always has a great running game. Solid line, all signs point to a great season.

In a PPR league how do you rank these 5 players..
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In PPR, this is what my tier looks like at the moment...Westbrook

Bush

Addai

Alexander

Parker

Henry
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What are you basing this off? Why would the Steelers not use Parker at the GL? He was phenominal last year in that role, and everything I've heard points to him as an every down RB.
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What am I basing what off of? I am basing my tiers off of my projections and grouping them together based off who is within 16 points of each other.I never said the Steelers wouldn't use Parker at the goal line, although he does have "sore knees" right now.

 
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