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you drafted him to start - start him . . . who else are you going to start: "Greg Jennings" ???
the interesting scenario of whether or not to start a must start stud. ahhhh....that interesting scenario.
This phrase is so overused. Champ is the best in the game, but shut down he is not. Start Evans.
Bills will move Evans around to get him on Dre Bly and Dre Bly will get exposed like always
last year, in each game, Champ Bailey only guarded the other team's best receiver on 54% of all plays, so its not like Evans has to worry about him all game . . . and like cobalt has already said, Bailey's not shutdown material - so start Evans . . .
Let's be clear about this...there is no shutdown corner in the game, and anyone who thinks D'Angelo Hall is one should be flogged. The most over-rated defensive player in the game. He is always getting lit up like a Christmas tree anytime he faces a decent wideout opposite him.
Philly fans, hope you're proud of your representation here
Philly fans, hope you're proud of your representation here
Dude, simmer. I was just wondering what others thought. I threw Evans out there b/c he plays him week 1. Whether you like or not, from time to time Bailey does hinder the production of the WR he's covering.
Lee Evans has become a top tier receiver. The DB lining up against him doesn't deter me from starting him ... if he's on my team, then I probably spent rd. 4 pick on him ... he starts.BTW, nice user name ... a girl beating thug/buffoon/areshole ... how COOL !
I don't know what hurts more...the fact that you don't know how silly that crap that you wrote is...or that eye stabbing green fontThis is easily the funniest post I've read all year
But you have to admire the font - what is that, Bookman Old School Sans Italic or something?Philly fans, hope you're proud of your representation here
oh my god....
I don't understand how anyone can think Deangelo Hall is anything but an average to above average corner.
hey moe, i'm far from a broncos fan but there are easy explanations for most of those. the rest are you being a #######. anyone who's watched the game, even without commentators' hype knows that Bailey is superior to any other corner in the game today. Jerry Porter's highlights were in the snow and only shows your ignorance as it was the safeties over the top making the mistakes, which my boy Kerry Collins exposed. not too mention if you'd ever played in the snow you would know what an advantage someone who knows in advance what cut to make has over someone who doesn't.
Not to mention that the Broncos played the Bengals last year and Bailey owned Chad all day long. Here's one thing to think about concerning the origional topic of this post...Bailey defended a lot of guys last year ( like Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin/Larry Fitzgerald, and Randy Moss. Not one of those players scored a TD while Champ was covering them.oh my god....hey moe, i'm far from a broncos fan but there are easy explanations for most of those. the rest are you being a #######. anyone who's watched the game, even without commentators' hype knows that Bailey is superior to any other corner in the game today. Jerry Porter's highlights were in the snow and only shows your ignorance as it was the safeties over the top making the mistakes, which my boy Kerry Collins exposed. not too mention if you'd ever played in the snow you would know what an advantage someone who knows in advance what cut to make has over someone who doesn't.
Chad Johnson is a top 3 receiver in the game and beat Bailey deep twice. One went for a score while the other one to about the 10. however, Bailey picked it off in front of Chad the next play. getting beat by chad johnson deep is something every corner in the game experiences when facing him for 60 minutes.
And T.O. did beat him, HOWEVER, ask anyone or find an injury report for that game because Champ was questionable with a hammy. why else would such an athlete be unable to make a simple cut back one way?
like i previously stated, the rest of those are you reaching for examples when in fact none of them are legit.
Sorry I missed the "cool user name" bus. I admit, I don't like Lawrence Phillips, I don't care either way about him or having this username. Get over it. Anyways, back to the whole point of the thread, I wasn't saying "don't start Lee Evans week 1". I just wanted to get a feeler for what most folks felt was the cut off for what players go from automatic starts to bench players because of Champ.Lee Evans has become a top tier receiver. The DB lining up against him doesn't deter me from starting him ... if he's on my team, then I probably spent rd. 4 pick on him ... he starts.BTW, nice user name ... a girl beating thug/buffoon/areshole ... how COOL !
Why on earth would you put Greg Jennings in quotation marks?
because "Greg Jenning" clearly meant a reserve WR
Last year, Champ usually played a certain side of the field, but there were some games where he was matched up exclusively in man-to-man with the opposition's top WR (such as against Randy Moss). The year before, he played almost exclusively man coverage against the opposing #1. Neither is really relevant, since the past two years (where he's played in two entirely different manners) were under Larry Coyer, and now Jim Bates is the boss. We don't really know how Champ is going to be used this year.
In four games against Denver since Champ came to town, Jerry Porter has cracked 30 yards once. Last year, Chad Johnson ran his mouth before the game against Champ and was then held to 32 yards.
Champ Bailey's season last year was better than any season of Sanders' career. If Champ isn't a shutdown CB, then no one in history is a shutdown CB.Champ allowed the lowest yards per target in the league. He had an INSANE INT per target ratio, and caught one ball for every three completions he allowed (most of which were dink-and-dunk underneath completions). Most importantly, out of all the times where Champ Bailey was targeted inside the 5 yard line, he caught 6 of them, and the opposing team caught none. He didn't just shut down receivers, he shut down entire offenses.
I love how every time someone wants to call Champ Bailey overrated, they provide an example from 2004 (or a game from 2005 where he was playing on one leg and clearly wasn't himself). I also love how you mentioned the 2005 AFCCG, where Bailey was targeted twice and allowed one completion (on a fluke play where he defensed the pass, but the ball took a freak bounce and Ward came down with it). Cedric Wilson wasn't Champ's responsibility on that play, he was responsible for the shallow WR, so he correctly passed Wilson off to the safety, who was out of position, making it look like Champ screwed up.With all of that said, Bailey's a stud, but Evans is one of the premier deep threats in the league (along with Steve Smith). All it takes is one play for him to justify the start, and it's not like Bailey's going to be on him every single snap, or like Bailey is incapable of making mistakes (as rare as they might be). You drafted Evans to be a starter, so start him.
Cobalt is DEAD ON ON THIS ONE!!! I will never forget the game where Hall was on TO all game and TO abused him for 100 plus yards. Atlanta won the game and at the end Hall comes of fthe field while Mora is screaming at Hall that Hall owned TO. I never figured out which game it was Mora was watching, but TO abused Hall that game. Hall is WAY overrated and would rather look good and lose than look bad and win!cobalt_27 said:
I would start Evans and not worry about it. Don't know if Champ is a shut down corner but will never forget when he got shut down on the "corner".
Maybe I could answer better if you told me what, exactly, you think I'm trying so hard to do.This is simply incorrect.I have the game on DVD. It's totally incorrect.
Why are you even considering benching a Top 10 WR? the game is played on the field ... not on paper! Play Evans!lawrence phillips said:
Interesting stat, where did you get it from?
otb_lifer said:Lee Evans has become a top tier receiver. The DB lining up against him doesn't deter me from starting him ... if he's on my team, then I probably spent rd. 4 pick on him ... he starts.BTW, nice user name ... a girl beating thug/buffoon/areshole ... how COOL !lawrence phillips said:
Actually, I disagree. This is a good point. We often wonder what it is we do wrong in FF, and Champ Bailey is as good an example as any.Champ is a very good CB, and while I thought Pat Surtain (in his prime) was his equal, I must admit I was wrong about that.
What if you can start Hines Ward instead? 
