Squinting Cyclops
Footballguy
Any insight on this from those who were able to watch the game would be helpful.
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numberSE7EN
Footballguy
I watched the game, and I did not see any drops. JP tossed one long bomb to him that would have been a 50 yard TD, but JP over threw Evans by a step or two, he did have the two DBs beat though.
Squinting Cyclops
Footballguy
yeah, between him and Dre Bly I figured that Evans would be covered....BUT since I did not see the game I wanted to make sure that was the reason
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't think Champ was on Evans all game (though I didn't see it). Champ normally plays a side of the field, not a man. So All Buf would have had to do to avoid him is line him up on the other side of the field. Anyone who watch the game let us know how he was used and covered?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Never start your WR against Champ. Never. He was on my bench yesterday....
lawrence phillips
Footballguy
I only caught bits and pieces from the game, but what I saw of the game, Bly was on Evans. There were 2 deep passes 2 Evans, one that was overthrown and one he almost caught in the endzone that was broken up by Bly. Considering Losman only had 97 yards passing, Evans wasn't the only one who didn't do much.
Bills played almost the entire game with a lead so they were pretty conservative on offense. They went deep to Evans a couple times but one was broken up on a great play by Bly and the other was a poorly thrown ball by Losman when Evans blew by a double team and was wide open heading for the end zone. He got off to a slow start last year as well. Nothing much to worry about here.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Yeah nothing says "lets go conservative" like a 1-2 point lead all game. **** Jauron is awesome.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
It actually was the Bills play calling... The only way they got him the ball was short passes. The Bills did not even attempt anything over the middle of the field. They threw to him deep but it was over the wrong shoulder
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The two balls he caught were short, but he did get two targets deep down the field. Late in the first half Dre Bly broke up a jump ball that was kind of under thrown by JP and then late in the second half he was open deep but Losman overthrew him. That two for five could have easily been four for 125 and two scores with better throws. I've officially learned my lesson though. I will NEVER start a WR against the Denver secondary again as long as Champ Bailey is around.Don't worry about Lee Evans, he's going to have a big year. I just wish I would have had the fortitude to start Ronald Curry over him. Cost me the "W" this week. Well, that and Tony Romo.
GoBills02
Footballguy
CHAMP BAILEY WAS NOT COVERING LEE EVANS!!!!!!!!!!! Are you all assuming he was becasue of his numbers? Dre Bly was covering him. Lee was targeted 4 times I believe, 2 on quick screen slants that Bly made a great play on. Champ did light up Price for a loss on another unsuccesful try.
Losman overthrew Evans by a yard, wouldn't say he blew it, it was a stupid decision BTW. 3rd and 5, up by 2 with 3 minutes left, and Marshawn running well.
The Broncos were doing everything in their power to keep the play in front of them. The Bills looked to be focusing on getting Marshawn involved, and really made no down field attempts, except the near miss.
It had nothing to do with Champ Bailey!!!!
Losman overthrew Evans by a yard, wouldn't say he blew it, it was a stupid decision BTW. 3rd and 5, up by 2 with 3 minutes left, and Marshawn running well.
The Broncos were doing everything in their power to keep the play in front of them. The Bills looked to be focusing on getting Marshawn involved, and really made no down field attempts, except the near miss.
It had nothing to do with Champ Bailey!!!!
I was coming here to post this. Terrible play calling by the Bills. A first down probably wins the game for the Bills. No need to swing for the fences at that point in the game. (I'm a Denver homer saying this)The other one that everyone is giving credit to Bly for breaking up was actually a great play by Evans for breaking up the INT. Bly had a better chance of catching that ball than Evans did.
GoBills02
Footballguy
Good point, and how about Javon Walker breaking up the Interception by McGee?
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree Losman is over-rated. I don't get the warm and fuzzies that so many others do with him. But Evans still had a banner season last year with Losman at QB so long term I wouldn't be overly concerned about that. Evans is very talented and will get his. But Week 1 was a game where you had to lower your expectations considerably if you were going to start him. With Bailey on one side and Bly on the other Evans was not going to have it easy by any means. It's tough to bench your WR2 (or WR1 if you drafted RBs in the first couple of rounds) but if you had the WR depth yesterday was a good game to use it and keep Evans on the bench.
Gopher State
Footballguy
I drafted Evans before and learned you have to wait until after week 8 to get the big numbers out of him.
SSOG
Moderator
I wouldn't say Champ NORMALLY does anything. Two years ago, he spent almost the entire season in man-to-man against the #1. Last year, he spent pretty much the entire season defending one side of the field. Even in each season, though, there were big exceptions (such as last year, when he matched up 1-on-1 with Randy Moss both times Denver played Oakland).For this game, though, yes, Champ played the defensive left all game long, while Bly played the defensive right. Evans was on the offensive left (Bly's side) for most of the game, although his deep bomb at the end of the game was on the right (against Champ).
Evans only faced Champ on one play, from what I can tell.
That's not true. Champ's presence on one side of the field allowed Denver to liberally roll coverage to Bly's side, and all of that constant safety help deep had a lot to do with Evans' poor day. It's like how if Mathis has a 3-sack day, you can't say that that had nothing to do with Freeney, because without Freeney's presence on the field the offenses and defenses look way different. Without Champ on the field, Denver can't overcompensate as much to Evans' side, and he has more chances to get open deep.But no, Champ was not the guy with primary coverage responsibilities.
SSOG
Moderator
Yes, you could say that of any team with a player the caliber of Champ Bailey. Yes, all of those teams with defenders who are as dominant as Bailey can all roll their coverage and simply smother WRs through sheer weight of numbers secure in the knowledge that their CB who is as good as Champ Bailey is locking down the other side of the field.Buffalo's play calling was conservative, but it's not like Losman wasn't looking Evans' way. I'm sure they would have gone down the field more if Evans had actually, you know, been open. Like, ever. And they didn't take one shot down the field, they took two- on the other, Evans was blanketed by Bly. Denver simply decided that they were going to take away Evans and take their chances with the rest of the team. Dre Bly saw more 1-on-1 coverage with opposing #1 WRs than any other CB in the league for his first seasons in Detroit (all seasons except for last year, when they played mostly zone), and made the pro bowl despite this. He was used to covering the Lee Evanses of the world all by himself. Give him 24/7 safety help and he's more than capable of holding his own with even the elitest of the elite WRs.Buffalo could have tried forcing more balls to Evans, but I'm not sure how much good it would have done, unless the goal was to throw some more INTs. Throwing low-percentage passes into double-coverage against the biggest-play CB tandem in the entire NFL isn't generally a recipe for offensive success.
GoBills02
Footballguy
I agree the biggest problem was the Bills play calling, but there were chances that could have been taken. I'm a fan of unloading one early, obviously not to throw the intereception, heck, throw it over his head, but let them know, that we are going to go long, then come back with those outs. Buffalo tried getting Lee going with a couple of quick slants, right into the LBs and safeties. And on a side note, can we please stop the WR screens?
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
GoBills02
Footballguy
Something I did not see mentioned here - Denver's game plan. They did more then take away Evans, they took away the pass entirely. So it is only indirectly related to Bly and Baily's talent.
DENVER DROPPED BOTH SAFETIES INTO COVERAGE. They were standing 15-20 yards off the line of scrimmage the whole game. No one was going to go deep on them. They made JP do a dink and dunk, which obviously is not his game.
The only guy who seemed to be effective over the middle at all was Reed, but they really didn't go there much. That was pretty crowded too. It was a very frustrating game for the Bills' offense. And it was strange to see Denver give their passing offense that much respect, but they did. It practically looked like a Prevent D from the beginning. I'm not sure how to take this. Perhaps it does not bode well for the Bills. And maybe it does.
DENVER DROPPED BOTH SAFETIES INTO COVERAGE. They were standing 15-20 yards off the line of scrimmage the whole game. No one was going to go deep on them. They made JP do a dink and dunk, which obviously is not his game.
The only guy who seemed to be effective over the middle at all was Reed, but they really didn't go there much. That was pretty crowded too. It was a very frustrating game for the Bills' offense. And it was strange to see Denver give their passing offense that much respect, but they did. It practically looked like a Prevent D from the beginning. I'm not sure how to take this. Perhaps it does not bode well for the Bills. And maybe it does.
SSOG
Moderator
Not to be a contrarian, but I love the fact that the Bills are getting Evans involved in some WR screens. Smiff and Santana Moss both do a huge chunk of their damage on screen passes where the offense just gets the ball in their hands and lets them make something happen. I think Lee Evans is fast enough and talented enough that he could fill a similar role in Buffalo's offense, and if he really does excel in that role like I think he can, then he'll be less dependent on getting a couple of bombs every game to have fantasy value.
