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NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
Just like Ronnie Brown.
3C's
Footballguy
One game. Against the Bears. Check back at midseason.I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
EXACTLY like Ronnie Brown!!I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
Will do....One game. Against the Bears. Check back at midseason.I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
Might as well add Benson to my list...EXACTLY like Ronnie Brown!!I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
Just like Ronnie Brown.
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
Start a list
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
With threads like this, who needs subscriptions?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I don`t think he got many looks from Rivers so........
3C's
Footballguy
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but it's a bit early to call him overrated.Will do....One game. Against the Bears. Check back at midseason.I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
I'll add you to my email list for $5... that's a steal really...
Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
Are you basing your statement on his stat line? 3 catches 28 yards.If you did watch, then you blindly have a bias against Vincent Jackson. BLINDLY. 
If you simply read the statline. You approached this topic poorly.I watched. Here are my rational-supported opinions.Vincent Jackson played well considering he was playing the Bears. His route running was decent against a stout Chi DST. Jackson doesn't get alot off separation like the elite recievers in the league(common knowledge). What he does have is Phillip Rivers eye and confidence(major qualities)Rivers mostly took advantage of what was given to him(nothing). Gates is uncoverable hence the 12 targets. Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive. sidenote: Rivers likes to throw vincent jackson endzone targets outside 18-22 yards(skinny post). This is my personal call. We will see how it plays out. Vincent caught a crucial 3rd down at the 3 yard line on a slant. Vincent also barely missed another endzone target because a chicago defender barley got his hand on a post pattern (left to right). Double coverage, defender on his back and the safety closing in going for the ball. Jackson elevated with his hands in a scoop position(not above his head). What looked to be an incredibly difficult TD dropped pass. Was actually a deflected ball that hit his shoulder pad. He was targeted 5 times per footballguys preliminary target stat(plug). Officially there is only 1 redzone target. It should say 2, but one was from outside the 20 yard line. I only watched up to the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. I can't comment on the rest of the game. From what I saw. Vincent Jackson is legit. Rivers clearly wants to get him the ball. He would go through his progressions LT-Gates-V-Jax. Gates-LT-VJax. Vjax-Gates-LT. Depending on the play.Not a great day, but the legitamite prospect for TDs and yardage is most certainly there. Specifically TDs.If you can, please provide some insight to go along with your statement. 
We would all appreciate it. 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I've been saying it all off and pre-season long
Football Guys Game Summaries
Week 1 vs CHI - Jackson's statistics look very poor, but he was very close to putting up some very solid numbers against a tough Bears defense. On one of his three receptions, Jackson was taken down at the two yard line following a ten yard pickup. On another target that fell incomplete, Jackson was open in the back of the end zone and leaped to haul in a potential touchdown. Unfortunately for him, the ball was tipped at the last moment and it ended up bouncing harmlessly off of Jackson's shoulder pad. As expected, he was the third most heavily targeted San Diego player after Gates and Tomlinson.
Week 1 vs CHI - Jackson's statistics look very poor, but he was very close to putting up some very solid numbers against a tough Bears defense. On one of his three receptions, Jackson was taken down at the two yard line following a ten yard pickup. On another target that fell incomplete, Jackson was open in the back of the end zone and leaped to haul in a potential touchdown. Unfortunately for him, the ball was tipped at the last moment and it ended up bouncing harmlessly off of Jackson's shoulder pad. As expected, he was the third most heavily targeted San Diego player after Gates and Tomlinson.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I saw this coming from a mile....cannot get any separation
5Rings
Lurker
I don't recall seeing any CHI defender touch that pass. It was a perfectly thrown ball that VJax had no excuse to drop...guy tried to catch it with his body and whiffed miserably. Overall, I'm a VJ fan and don't read too much into yesterday's game, but that one play above....dude just whiffed on a catch most NFL WRs would have made.Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!Are you basing your statement on his stat line? 3 catches 28 yards.If you did watch, then you blindly have a bias against Vincent Jackson. BLINDLY.
If you simply read the statline. You approached this topic poorly.
I watched. Here are my rational-supported opinions.
Vincent Jackson played well considering he was playing the Bears. His route running was decent against a stout Chi DST. Jackson doesn't get alot off separation like the elite recievers in the league(common knowledge). What he does have is Phillip Rivers eye and confidence(major qualities)
Rivers mostly took advantage of what was given to him(nothing). Gates is uncoverable hence the 12 targets.
Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.
sidenote: Rivers likes to throw vincent jackson endzone targets outside 18-22 yards(skinny post). This is my personal call. We will see how it plays out.
Vincent caught a crucial 3rd down at the 3 yard line on a slant.
Vincent also barely missed another endzone target because a chicago defender barley got his hand on a post pattern (left to right). Double coverage, defender on his back and the safety closing in going for the ball. Jackson elevated with his hands in a scoop position(not above his head). What looked to be an incredibly difficult TD dropped pass. Was actually a deflected ball that hit his shoulder pad.
He was targeted 5 times per footballguys preliminary target stat(plug). Officially there is only 1 redzone target. It should say 2, but one was from outside the 20 yard line.
I only watched up to the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. I can't comment on the rest of the game.
From what I saw. Vincent Jackson is legit. Rivers clearly wants to get him the ball. He would go through his progressions LT-Gates-V-Jax. Gates-LT-VJax. Vjax-Gates-LT. Depending on the play.
Not a great day, but the legitamite prospect for TDs and yardage is most certainly there. Specifically TDs.
If you can, please provide some insight to go along with your statement.We would all appreciate it.
He's a huge wide receiver who's entering his third year. But I'm not sure what he does that Antonio Gates doesn't do better. That, coupled with the fact that he's in a run first offense, leads me to believe that he'll put up overall numbers similar to what Santonio Holmes did last year (I know, different skills, sizes, & speeds, but similar situations, which is why I made the analogy). In summary, a good player with upside, but probably a few years away in terms of fantasy football production.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Being over rated implies that he was ranked high at some point or at least not living up to his rating. When was he ever ranked higher than a very mediocre WR? That's where I ranked him and he's living up to the hype....I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The ball was tipped and knocked off target...it would have hit V.J in the hands otherwise...even the announcers spotted that.I don't recall seeing any CHI defender touch that pass. It was a perfectly thrown ball that VJax had no excuse to drop...guy tried to catch it with his body and whiffed miserably. Overall, I'm a VJ fan and don't read too much into yesterday's game, but that one play above....dude just whiffed on a catch most NFL WRs would have made.Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
If you simply read the statline. You approached this topic poorly.
I watched. Here are my rational-supported opinions.
Vincent Jackson played well considering he was playing the Bears. His route running was decent against a stout Chi DST. Jackson doesn't get alot off separation like the elite recievers in the league(common knowledge). What he does have is Phillip Rivers eye and confidence(major qualities)
Rivers mostly took advantage of what was given to him(nothing). Gates is uncoverable hence the 12 targets.
Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.
sidenote: Rivers likes to throw vincent jackson endzone targets outside 18-22 yards(skinny post). This is my personal call. We will see how it plays out.
Vincent caught a crucial 3rd down at the 3 yard line on a slant.
Vincent also barely missed another endzone target because a chicago defender barley got his hand on a post pattern (left to right). Double coverage, defender on his back and the safety closing in going for the ball. Jackson elevated with his hands in a scoop position(not above his head). What looked to be an incredibly difficult TD dropped pass. Was actually a deflected ball that hit his shoulder pad.
He was targeted 5 times per footballguys preliminary target stat(plug). Officially there is only 1 redzone target. It should say 2, but one was from outside the 20 yard line.
I only watched up to the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. I can't comment on the rest of the game.
From what I saw. Vincent Jackson is legit. Rivers clearly wants to get him the ball. He would go through his progressions LT-Gates-V-Jax. Gates-LT-VJax. Vjax-Gates-LT. Depending on the play.
Not a great day, but the legitamite prospect for TDs and yardage is most certainly there. Specifically TDs.
If you can, please provide some insight to go along with your statement.
TONYDEBOYS
Footballguy
Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!Are you basing your statement on his stat line? 3 catches 28 yards.If you did watch, then you blindly have a bias against Vincent Jackson. BLINDLY.
jonessed
Footballguy
It was clearly tipped in the replay. It would have been a Hell of a catch.I don't recall seeing any CHI defender touch that pass. It was a perfectly thrown ball that VJax had no excuse to drop...guy tried to catch it with his body and whiffed miserably. Overall, I'm a VJ fan and don't read too much into yesterday's game, but that one play above....dude just whiffed on a catch most NFL WRs would have made.Did you watch the game? :X Are you basing your statement on his stat line? 3 catches 28 yards.If you did watch, then you blindly have a bias against Vincent Jackson. BLINDLY.I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
If you simply read the statline. You approached this topic poorly.
I watched. Here are my rational-supported opinions.
Vincent Jackson played well considering he was playing the Bears. His route running was decent against a stout Chi DST. Jackson doesn't get alot off separation like the elite recievers in the league(common knowledge). What he does have is Phillip Rivers eye and confidence(major qualities)
Rivers mostly took advantage of what was given to him(nothing). Gates is uncoverable hence the 12 targets.
Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.
sidenote: Rivers likes to throw vincent jackson endzone targets outside 18-22 yards(skinny post). This is my personal call. We will see how it plays out.
Vincent caught a crucial 3rd down at the 3 yard line on a slant.
Vincent also barely missed another endzone target because a chicago defender barley got his hand on a post pattern (left to right). Double coverage, defender on his back and the safety closing in going for the ball. Jackson elevated with his hands in a scoop position(not above his head). What looked to be an incredibly difficult TD dropped pass. Was actually a deflected ball that hit his shoulder pad.
He was targeted 5 times per footballguys preliminary target stat(plug). Officially there is only 1 redzone target. It should say 2, but one was from outside the 20 yard line.
I only watched up to the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. I can't comment on the rest of the game.
From what I saw. Vincent Jackson is legit. Rivers clearly wants to get him the ball. He would go through his progressions LT-Gates-V-Jax. Gates-LT-VJax. Vjax-Gates-LT. Depending on the play.
Not a great day, but the legitamite prospect for TDs and yardage is most certainly there. Specifically TDs.
If you can, please provide some insight to go along with your statement.
nygiants56
Footballguy
settle down, dude...its OPENING DAY..he had a td pass tipped at the last second..if he catches that, are we hearing from you right now? nope..lets see how Kc tries to cover him with their lousy defense..and Oak, and so on..:jeezI see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
ne so/so game against what is the best defense in the league, is not a very good time to judge a guy,now is it?
settle down, dude...its OPENING DAY..he had a td pass tipped at the last second..if he catches that, are we hearing from you right now? nope..lets see how Kc tries to cover him with their lousy defense..and Oak, and so on..:jeezI see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
Either the poster is fishing or he's just an idiot!
5Rings
Lurker
I musta missed it again...just went back and replayed that play..no tip...It was clearly tipped in the replay. It would have been a Hell of a catch.I don't recall seeing any CHI defender touch that pass. It was a perfectly thrown ball that VJax had no excuse to drop...guy tried to catch it with his body and whiffed miserably. Overall, I'm a VJ fan and don't read too much into yesterday's game, but that one play above....dude just whiffed on a catch most NFL WRs would have made.Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
If you simply read the statline. You approached this topic poorly.
I watched. Here are my rational-supported opinions.
Vincent Jackson played well considering he was playing the Bears. His route running was decent against a stout Chi DST. Jackson doesn't get alot off separation like the elite recievers in the league(common knowledge). What he does have is Phillip Rivers eye and confidence(major qualities)
Rivers mostly took advantage of what was given to him(nothing). Gates is uncoverable hence the 12 targets.
Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.
sidenote: Rivers likes to throw vincent jackson endzone targets outside 18-22 yards(skinny post). This is my personal call. We will see how it plays out.
Vincent caught a crucial 3rd down at the 3 yard line on a slant.
Vincent also barely missed another endzone target because a chicago defender barley got his hand on a post pattern (left to right). Double coverage, defender on his back and the safety closing in going for the ball. Jackson elevated with his hands in a scoop position(not above his head). What looked to be an incredibly difficult TD dropped pass. Was actually a deflected ball that hit his shoulder pad.
He was targeted 5 times per footballguys preliminary target stat(plug). Officially there is only 1 redzone target. It should say 2, but one was from outside the 20 yard line.
I only watched up to the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. I can't comment on the rest of the game.
From what I saw. Vincent Jackson is legit. Rivers clearly wants to get him the ball. He would go through his progressions LT-Gates-V-Jax. Gates-LT-VJax. Vjax-Gates-LT. Depending on the play.
Not a great day, but the legitamite prospect for TDs and yardage is most certainly there. Specifically TDs.
If you can, please provide some insight to go along with your statement.
swore even the announcers say it wasn't tipped. I must be wrong though if you both saw it tipped.
Penguin
Footballguy
I forgot where I saw it (but it was within the last two weeks.) Norv Turner teams have never had more than 1 one thousand yard receiver in any year. With Antonio Gates on board, and LT, I can't predict V.Jackson has 1k receiving yards with any confidence.
Week one Vincent was 3 for 28 yards. Gates & LT combined for 16 receptions, 158 yards & a touchdown, and neither is a wide receiver!
Look back at the San Diego numbers for the past several years, it doesn't look good for VJ and a 1000 yard season, and that would only be 64 yds/game. Touchdowns? How many do you think he's going to get with LT & Gates in town? Seriously, how can you validate a 5th or 6th round draft pick on a WR that will most likely net you 45 yards and zero touchdowns on a weekly basis?
Week one Vincent was 3 for 28 yards. Gates & LT combined for 16 receptions, 158 yards & a touchdown, and neither is a wide receiver!
Look back at the San Diego numbers for the past several years, it doesn't look good for VJ and a 1000 yard season, and that would only be 64 yds/game. Touchdowns? How many do you think he's going to get with LT & Gates in town? Seriously, how can you validate a 5th or 6th round draft pick on a WR that will most likely net you 45 yards and zero touchdowns on a weekly basis?
minister
Footballguy
I'll disagree that there is positive spin to be had from that play.Honestly I thought Jackson's action was baffling and laughable....Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
I'm not sure if Rivers threw short there, or Jackson got beaten to the spot.
In any case, the play developed into a jump ball. Except Jackson didn't jump.
He didn't improve his position. And then he did the only thing left to do.
If he's not going to fight for the ball in a spot like that, he'll lose the trust of Rivers and the coaches PDQ.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
FWIW, I didn't see the tip either. I don't think VJax had a particularly good game, but I think it is way too early to call his career.I musta missed it again...just went back and replayed that play..no tip...
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
On the TD that bounced off VJax.... it may not have been much of a tip on the ball; but it looked like the defender did blind VJax just enough to mess him up when he jumped in front of the ball.
Vincent not fighting/jumping for the ball was something i noticed too. I didn't like it. But he had terrible terrible position on the play. And jumping may have hindered him from knocking the ball away from the DB. It was a CLEAR CUT INT without the shove in the back. The DB jumped with his hands high above his head and VJ just watched and pushed. And he kept the drive alive with the penalty. Thats always a positive.I'll disagree that there is positive spin to be had from that play.Honestly I thought Jackson's action was baffling and laughable....Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
I'm not sure if Rivers threw short there, or Jackson got beaten to the spot.
In any case, the play developed into a jump ball. Except Jackson didn't jump.
He didn't improve his position. And then he did the only thing left to do.
If he's not going to fight for the ball in a spot like that, he'll lose the trust of Rivers and the coaches PDQ.
1000 yards will be tough for VJ, but 8-10 TDs is not an extreme reach. He will be the wr version of a TD vulture.
Defenses will attend to Gates and LT giving VJ the obvious oppurtunity. And the QB and OC have been giving VJ plenty of calls.
Also Chicago wasn't giving anything downfield, where VJ and Rivers normally connect. Most of Gates and LT's receptions were >10 yards.
Lash
Footballguy
the ball was most certainly tipped so not his drop
i was a lil concerned about some of his routes, he is so big that he doesn't cut real fast and he rounds off most patterns that need hard direction change, CBs are gonna slip inside him on slants and skinny posts which will negate inside patterns from his arsenal because Rivers will be nervous to throw them
thatll leave only the outside stuff, fades and flies and post corners
i was a lil concerned about some of his routes, he is so big that he doesn't cut real fast and he rounds off most patterns that need hard direction change, CBs are gonna slip inside him on slants and skinny posts which will negate inside patterns from his arsenal because Rivers will be nervous to throw them
thatll leave only the outside stuff, fades and flies and post corners
shakeybarn
Footballguy
This is really getting tiresome here....
week one.
week one.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
az_prof
Footballguy
Great post and the same is true of other players like Brown who are being called out after one game. If the season were one game long they might have a point. Fantasy players are ridiculed by some old time fans for being stat line readers and not watchers of football: this is a great example. It's not enough to just look at a stat line.Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes.... Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I'm willing to believe you, but it wasn't enough to change the trajectory of the ball. It still hit him on the shoulders and he put his hands on it. I just think that should be a catchable ball for a professional receiver. I'm still withholding any claims that he is or is not a bust or overrated or whatever until I see a lot more from him.
kensat30
Footballguy
VJAX had a sure touchdown bounce off his chest because he tried to catch it with his body instead of his hands. It was pretty painful to watch. He tried to underhand cradle a pass that was going towards his shoulder pads.
That's the kind of play that you see in a movie when they line up the most athletic guy on the team at WR and he can't catch a cold. I almost expected to see the ball get stuck in his facemask on the replay.
That's the kind of play that you see in a movie when they line up the most athletic guy on the team at WR and he can't catch a cold. I almost expected to see the ball get stuck in his facemask on the replay.
EXACTLY!! How do you cradle the ball to your chest when it's coming at your head.... laughable!!! As I initially stated, yes, it's only one week, but I'll say it every week... he's OVERRATED! I didn't just look at the stats, actually, I haven't seen his stats yet; I don't care if he's got 10 yards or 75 yards... he's a fluke... and if he does anything in the game, it will only be because of all the attention on LT/Gates.
Then maybe you should get glasses. It was clearly tipped to the knowledgable football fans.I don't recall seeing any CHI defender touch that pass. It was a perfectly thrown ball that VJax had no excuse to drop...guy tried to catch it with his body and whiffed miserably. Overall, I'm a VJ fan and don't read too much into yesterday's game, but that one play above....dude just whiffed on a catch most NFL WRs would have made.Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
If you simply read the statline. You approached this topic poorly.
I watched. Here are my rational-supported opinions.
Vincent Jackson played well considering he was playing the Bears. His route running was decent against a stout Chi DST. Jackson doesn't get alot off separation like the elite recievers in the league(common knowledge). What he does have is Phillip Rivers eye and confidence(major qualities)
Rivers mostly took advantage of what was given to him(nothing). Gates is uncoverable hence the 12 targets.
Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.
sidenote: Rivers likes to throw vincent jackson endzone targets outside 18-22 yards(skinny post). This is my personal call. We will see how it plays out.
Vincent caught a crucial 3rd down at the 3 yard line on a slant.
Vincent also barely missed another endzone target because a chicago defender barley got his hand on a post pattern (left to right). Double coverage, defender on his back and the safety closing in going for the ball. Jackson elevated with his hands in a scoop position(not above his head). What looked to be an incredibly difficult TD dropped pass. Was actually a deflected ball that hit his shoulder pad.
He was targeted 5 times per footballguys preliminary target stat(plug). Officially there is only 1 redzone target. It should say 2, but one was from outside the 20 yard line.
I only watched up to the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. I can't comment on the rest of the game.
From what I saw. Vincent Jackson is legit. Rivers clearly wants to get him the ball. He would go through his progressions LT-Gates-V-Jax. Gates-LT-VJax. Vjax-Gates-LT. Depending on the play.
Not a great day, but the legitamite prospect for TDs and yardage is most certainly there. Specifically TDs.
If you can, please provide some insight to go along with your statement.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I've stated this earlier.
VJax is merely a work in progress,
the expectations for him are ridiculously high.
He has caught more than 3 balls in a game
ONLY ONCE IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER !!!
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VJax is merely a work in progress,
the expectations for him are ridiculously high.
He has caught more than 3 balls in a game
ONLY ONCE IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER !!!
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I may quit visiting this site, the uninformed are starting to out number the knowledgeable. The quotes above are a perfect example.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo.........
Yeah, I know it's a shame because if I choose to go I most certainly will be missed..
I am a big fan of Vincent Jackson, but watching the game in Chicago I don't recall Buck or Aikman mentioning anything about a ball being tipped and it sure didn't look like it on the replays. The ChicagoSports.com play-by-play at http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...,7954376.column doesn't mention anything about a tip either ("Rivers makes a beautiful pass over Hillenmeyer's coverage on Jackson, but it hits Jackson on the shoulder pad and falls to the ground").
It was a tough catch in traffic, and whether it was tipped it was debatable, but here's what I know:
1. He should have caught the ball whether it was tipped or not because even if it was, it's trajectory was not altered significantly enough for anyone to notice.
2. Anyone who claims that Vince did all he could do by heroically saving an interception when realizing the ball was tipped is either one of his family members, his girlfriend or his agent.
3. He's still a good player and the #1 WR/#3 option on a good offense.
It was a tough catch in traffic, and whether it was tipped it was debatable, but here's what I know:
1. He should have caught the ball whether it was tipped or not because even if it was, it's trajectory was not altered significantly enough for anyone to notice.
2. Anyone who claims that Vince did all he could do by heroically saving an interception when realizing the ball was tipped is either one of his family members, his girlfriend or his agent.
3. He's still a good player and the #1 WR/#3 option on a good offense.
They showed the replay from several different angles, and from one of them it was very clear that the ball was tipped. Unmistakable. From the others it wasn't clear.I musta missed it again...just went back and replayed that play..no tip...It was clearly tipped in the replay. It would have been a Hell of a catch.I don't recall seeing any CHI defender touch that pass. It was a perfectly thrown ball that VJax had no excuse to drop...guy tried to catch it with his body and whiffed miserably. Overall, I'm a VJ fan and don't read too much into yesterday's game, but that one play above....dude just whiffed on a catch most NFL WRs would have made.Did you watch the game?I see all the Vincent Jackson lovers have all went crawling back into their holes....
Yes, it's only one game... but he's OVERRATED!!!
If you simply read the statline. You approached this topic poorly.
I watched. Here are my rational-supported opinions.
Vincent Jackson played well considering he was playing the Bears. His route running was decent against a stout Chi DST. Jackson doesn't get alot off separation like the elite recievers in the league(common knowledge). What he does have is Phillip Rivers eye and confidence(major qualities)
Rivers mostly took advantage of what was given to him(nothing). Gates is uncoverable hence the 12 targets.
Rivers attempted a 25 yard right sideline endzone pass. That was almost intercepted because Vincent did not get inside his defender and did not outpace him. Sounds bad. But 2 good things happened. 1) Jackson was targeted IN the endzone(1 of 2), not the redzone, there is a difference. 2) He pushed the defender in the back just as the ball was about to be intercepted. Saving a turnover while picking up an offensive PI. Keeping the drive alive.
sidenote: Rivers likes to throw vincent jackson endzone targets outside 18-22 yards(skinny post). This is my personal call. We will see how it plays out.
Vincent caught a crucial 3rd down at the 3 yard line on a slant.
Vincent also barely missed another endzone target because a chicago defender barley got his hand on a post pattern (left to right). Double coverage, defender on his back and the safety closing in going for the ball. Jackson elevated with his hands in a scoop position(not above his head). What looked to be an incredibly difficult TD dropped pass. Was actually a deflected ball that hit his shoulder pad.
He was targeted 5 times per footballguys preliminary target stat(plug). Officially there is only 1 redzone target. It should say 2, but one was from outside the 20 yard line.
I only watched up to the end of the 3rd beginning of the 4th. I can't comment on the rest of the game.
From what I saw. Vincent Jackson is legit. Rivers clearly wants to get him the ball. He would go through his progressions LT-Gates-V-Jax. Gates-LT-VJax. Vjax-Gates-LT. Depending on the play.
Not a great day, but the legitamite prospect for TDs and yardage is most certainly there. Specifically TDs.
If you can, please provide some insight to go along with your statement.
