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I was really kind of hoping that Green would have a bit of a bounce back year this season. But the week one split (16/13) with Dayne is a little concerning. I didn't notice any goal line carries, but will Dayne be getting those? Any Houston homers that can shed any light on this?

 
In another thread, a Houston homer stated that Dayne came in to keep Green's legs fresh, I think.

Here's the quote:

I was at the game. He looked pretty good. The o-line was finding their block but the KC D was really swarming. He didn't break off anything huge but he was definitely breaking tackles and getting more than he was given. Dayne was also run a lot in the fourth to preserve the lead and keep Ahman fresh. Had this been a close game I'm sure we would haveseen more of Ahman and 100 yards would have been much more likely.
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don't sweat it....blow out and Green is older and they want to keep him fresh for games/carries that matter....

Here are Dayne's carries, he had 3 1st half carries, 2 3rd qtr carries and then toted the rock 9 times when the score was 20-3. If they get in blowouts all year you may have a problem but I doubt you'll have that problem.

1 1:43 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 25 rushed for 1 yards

2 8:26 0 - 0 2nd-and-6 opp 12 rushed for 4 yards

2 7:41 0 - 0 3rd-and-2 opp 8 target of incomplete pass

3 8:21 10 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 24 rushed for 2 yards

3 7:51 10 - 0 1st-and-23 opp 37 rushed for 3 yards

4 13:33 20 - 3 1st-and-10 own 45 rushed for 1 yards

4 12:01 20 - 3 1st-and-10 opp 45 rushed for -2 yards

4 10:24 20 - 3 3rd-and-1 opp 36 rushed for 4 yards (first down)

4 9:38 20 - 3 1st-and-10 opp 32 rushed for 4 yards

4 8:50 20 - 3 2nd-and-6 opp 28 rushed for 4 yards

4 3:12 20 - 3 1st-and-10 opp 49 rushed for 2 yards

4 2:28 20 - 3 2nd-and-8 opp 47 rushed for 5 yards

4 1:59 20 - 3 3rd-and-3 opp 42 rushed for 3 yards (first down)

4 1:14 20 - 3 1st-and-10 opp 39 rushed for 2 yards

 
I was really kind of hoping that Green would have a bit of a bounce back year this season. But the week one split (16/13) with Dayne is a little concerning. I didn't notice any goal line carries, but will Dayne be getting those? Any Houston homers that can shed any light on this?
Green is 10 times the goal line back Dayne is. I would not worry about that.
 
[shameless optimism since i own the guys i am about to mention]

i dont think AJ will get down the field againts Carolina this week like he did last week. i think the shorter route guys (which mind you AJ is great at) will benefit. Green is a great receiver out of the backfield.

im rambling: what im trying to say is Ahamn and owen daniels will combine for about 10 catches this week.

 
I was really kind of hoping that Green would have a bit of a bounce back year this season. But the week one split (16/13) with Dayne is a little concerning. I didn't notice any goal line carries, but will Dayne be getting those? Any Houston homers that can shed any light on this?
Green is 10 times the goal line back Dayne is. I would not worry about that.
No question. However, due to his asthma condition Green has to take himself out of games frequently and while with Green Bay he often took himself out near the goal line. So that's something to watch this season. I fully expect Dayne to get 8-10 carries a game to keep Green fresh each week and throughout the season (durability being a major issue with Green). If you're a Green owner, don't sweat Dayne's presence but be prepared to lose some goal-line carries as the season goes on. That was Green's MO with the Packers and I doubt it will change at this point in his career with the Texans.
 
Ahman had 18 yards on a 3rd and 35 play where the KC defense was super soft. And he had a 12 yard run on a play from around the 50 yd line with 3 seconds left in the first half where KC was in a prevent obviously expecting pass. Take out those 2 plays and he averaged under 3 ypc when the other team was actually trying to stop him. I have Ahman in a few leagues and I was very disappointed with his game and the way they used him week 1.

 
Ahman had 18 yards on a 3rd and 35 play where the KC defense was super soft. And he had a 12 yard run on a play from around the 50 yd line with 3 seconds left in the first half where KC was in a prevent obviously expecting pass. Take out those 2 plays and he averaged under 3 ypc when the other team was actually trying to stop him. I have Ahman in a few leagues and I was very disappointed with his game and the way they used him week 1.
good post. i tend to agree. And Carolina is a tough run defense, as evidenced by Steven Jackson's week 1.i will be benching him this week and starting the Titans duo of White and Brown. Hoping Jones Drew steps up as my flex.
 
Ahman had 18 yards on a 3rd and 35 play where the KC defense was super soft. And he had a 12 yard run on a play from around the 50 yd line with 3 seconds left in the first half where KC was in a prevent obviously expecting pass. Take out those 2 plays and he averaged under 3 ypc when the other team was actually trying to stop him. I have Ahman in a few leagues and I was very disappointed with his game and the way they used him week 1.
good post. i tend to agree. And Carolina is a tough run defense, as evidenced by Steven Jackson's week 1.i will be benching him this week and starting the Titans duo of White and Brown. Hoping Jones Drew steps up as my flex.
Funny, if you take out all his carries, he had zero yards. Horrible.
 
Ahman had 18 yards on a 3rd and 35 play where the KC defense was super soft. And he had a 12 yard run on a play from around the 50 yd line with 3 seconds left in the first half where KC was in a prevent obviously expecting pass. Take out those 2 plays and he averaged under 3 ypc when the other team was actually trying to stop him. I have Ahman in a few leagues and I was very disappointed with his game and the way they used him week 1.
Tom that is what happens in this game called football. sometimes teams do run on a third and long. If your genious analysis holds up then houston should face multiple third and longs this week against a stout Carolina defense. Ahman could be fantasy gold!Really, lets stop with the "take X carries away and you have an awful game" schtick. Ahman is part of a gameplan in houston. be the starting back and catch some passes out of the backfield. When you are up by 17 points you do have the luxury of abandoning this game plan and giving some other players some quality gametime.
 
Ahman had 18 yards on a 3rd and 35 play where the KC defense was super soft. And he had a 12 yard run on a play from around the 50 yd line with 3 seconds left in the first half where KC was in a prevent obviously expecting pass. Take out those 2 plays and he averaged under 3 ypc when the other team was actually trying to stop him. I have Ahman in a few leagues and I was very disappointed with his game and the way they used him week 1.
good post. i tend to agree. And Carolina is a tough run defense, as evidenced by Steven Jackson's week 1.i will be benching him this week and starting the Titans duo of White and Brown. Hoping Jones Drew steps up as my flex.
Funny, if you take out all his carries, he had zero yards. Horrible.
Yea I know what you're getting it but it is not relevant here. Sorry but running for 30 yards against a prevent defense when the defense is GIVING you those yards is not the same as if he busted off a 40 yard run on a 1 and 10 in the 3rd quarter or something. You want to know how he actually ran, there it is...Bad attempt on your part.
 
Bottomline, he didn't run very well when the defense wasn't GIVING him free yards. If that information is useless to you, then so be it. I, though, like to know how my running back actually ran so I can try to predict future performance.

 
Well if two carries for 30 yards are skewing Green's stats up, then the 9 carries Dayne got in the 4th because the game was decided are skewing his stats down. Give Green 7 of the 9 @ 4.3 per, and presto, 30 yards get added back in.

 
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Bottomline, he didn't run very well when the defense wasn't GIVING him free yards. If that information is useless to you, then so be it. I, though, like to know how my running back actually ran so I can try to predict future performance.
yes, i saw parts of the game as well, and the running game was atrocious. I am surprised they won. Suffice to say I was disappointed in the offense and Green's results. I thus will be moving on this week and taking a wait and see on Green, as I happen to have good RB depth this year.
 
Ahman had 18 yards on a 3rd and 35 play where the KC defense was super soft. And he had a 12 yard run on a play from around the 50 yd line with 3 seconds left in the first half where KC was in a prevent obviously expecting pass. Take out those 2 plays and he averaged under 3 ypc when the other team was actually trying to stop him. I have Ahman in a few leagues and I was very disappointed with his game and the way they used him week 1.
good post. i tend to agree. And Carolina is a tough run defense, as evidenced by Steven Jackson's week 1.i will be benching him this week and starting the Titans duo of White and Brown. Hoping Jones Drew steps up as my flex.
Funny, if you take out all his carries, he had zero yards. Horrible.
Yea I know what you're getting it but it is not relevant here. Sorry but running for 30 yards against a prevent defense when the defense is GIVING you those yards is not the same as if he busted off a 40 yard run on a 1 and 10 in the 3rd quarter or something. You want to know how he actually ran, there it is...Bad attempt on your part.
Yes it is the same since a yard = a yard regardless how it was earned. Isn't that how Dom Davis was a top 10 back a few years ago? He didn't get a lot of meaningful yards but he got a lot of yards and td's. I love when my team is getting blown out and he's getting meaningless yards against a prevent defense. That's why I drafted Kitna.
 
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Ahman had 18 yards on a 3rd and 35 play where the KC defense was super soft. And he had a 12 yard run on a play from around the 50 yd line with 3 seconds left in the first half where KC was in a prevent obviously expecting pass. Take out those 2 plays and he averaged under 3 ypc when the other team was actually trying to stop him. I have Ahman in a few leagues and I was very disappointed with his game and the way they used him week 1.
good post. i tend to agree. And Carolina is a tough run defense, as evidenced by Steven Jackson's week 1.i will be benching him this week and starting the Titans duo of White and Brown. Hoping Jones Drew steps up as my flex.
Funny, if you take out all his carries, he had zero yards. Horrible.
Yea I know what you're getting it but it is not relevant here. Sorry but running for 30 yards against a prevent defense when the defense is GIVING you those yards is not the same as if he busted off a 40 yard run on a 1 and 10 in the 3rd quarter or something. You want to know how he actually ran, there it is...Bad attempt on your part.
Yes it is the same since a yard = a yard regardless how it was earned. Isn't that how Dom Davis was a top 10 back a few years ago? He didn't get a lot of meaningful yards but he got a lot of yards and td's. I love when my team is getting blown out and he's getting meaningless yards against a prevent defense. That's why I drafted Kitna.
How can you predict 3rd and 35s and runs with 3 seconds left in the half from the 50 yard line when the team is in prevent? It's not like with Dom Davis when they were losing every game and he got dump offs all game. This game was distinctly different from all these misguided comparisons.
 
Bottomline, he didn't run very well when the defense wasn't GIVING him free yards. If that information is useless to you, then so be it. I, though, like to know how my running back actually ran so I can try to predict future performance.
I don't think it's crazy to predict HOU will have a give-up run per game. He happened to have two this game. But, he also didn't appear to play too much in the 4th, losing some yards he might otherwise have gained.I understand what you're saying and it might be why Green won't be a top 10 RB this year. But, that doesn't mean he can't be a solid RB2.
 
AG had over 100 yards offense at half time. I don't care how you slice and dice statistics, 100 yards total offense in the first half is pretty good. (which btw, is how much the entire Packers team had by half time)

 
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My sense is that what you saw this week is what you will see often. While Geeen is the clear starter and will get more of the carries than Dayne, I suspect the goal is around 60/40 to 65/35. Green is not a guy that can take too many 25 carry games, so Dayne will be there around 12 carries more times than not. Not sure of how the goal work will break out, but I would prefer to see Green more than Dayne.

 

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