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Count me as officially worried about our 1-1 start....

1. Rivers has looked bad in 2 games

2. Offense looks really bad

3. O line overwhelmed

4. D is banged up now

5. Can our secondary cover anyone....

6. LT looks human

I think we still win the AFC West and makes the playoffs, but I can't see us beating the big 2 (Pats/Colts) on the road.....

 
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This game is on Rivers and the O-Line. The defense wasn't great, but the game was over when Rivers imploded in the first quarter. He can't seem to maintain his emotions. The talent is there they just need to pull it together better.

 
Dr. Z hexed both your Chargers and my Saints by picking them to win their conferences :confused: They're playing very similarly right now.

 
That was quite the awakening.

This team isn't going anywhere special.

Rivers looks bad, Grossman bad, and I'm now starting to think we kept the wrong guy.

I was willing to give Norv the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with that. He's a lousy head coach and should be gone at the end of the season, if not sooner. He can take Cottrell with him.

A.J. doesn't look quite so good to me now either. I hope he's figuring out what it would take to get Cowher out here (I know not possible).

I feel angry with myself for letting myself get my hopes up for this season. At least they ended that early this year.

Somewhere out there Marty's laughing his head off. Actually he probably feels bad for his ex-players, but still. Disgusting.

I'd like to find a silver lining in this thing, but there just isn't one. That's as embarrassing a loss as any I can remember in 30 years of being a Charger fan.

I know this - I'll be taking a week or two off from watching them. And if they do have a tight race at the end of the season or somehow make it to the playoffs, I'll be expecting them to lose, and lose big.

 
jonessed said:
Gr00vus said:
jonessed said:
rascal said:
Broncos are 2-0 and leading the division.
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I doubt anyone is worried too much about the Broncos. They are one of the few teams that actually look worse than the Chargers.
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You didn't watch the games then. They looked bad against bad teams. I know you are bitter right now, but I can't imagine anyone being concerned about the Broncos.
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I did watch the games.At least they have one DB who can cover somebody. And Cutler has easily outperformed Rivers so far. Hell, Henry's looked better than Tomlinson as well. I could go on, but the bottom line is (and I've been saying this since preseason), the Broncos are going to give the Chargers all they can handle this year. And at this point it looks like I have that backwards.
 
Gr00vus said:
...I was willing to give Norv the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with that. He's a lousy head coach and should be gone at the end of the season, if not sooner. He can take Cottrell with him....
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I can't believe more people aren't talking about this. Norv Turner has done nothing in the past to suggest that he can function as a head coach. Why he continues to get hired by teams around the league is baffling. He can function as a coordinator or position coach, but he impoldes every time he's given the reigns of a team. As small as the window of opportunity for success is in the NFL, the Chargers are squandering their opportunity by putting Turner in charge.
 
Gr00vus said:
jonessed said:
Gr00vus said:
jonessed said:
rascal said:
Broncos are 2-0 and leading the division.
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I doubt anyone is worried too much about the Broncos. They are one of the few teams that actually look worse than the Chargers.
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You didn't watch the games then. They looked bad against bad teams. I know you are bitter right now, but I can't imagine anyone being concerned about the Broncos.
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I did watch the games.At least they have one DB who can cover somebody. And Cutler has easily outperformed Rivers so far. Hell, Henry's looked better than Tomlinson as well. I could go on, but the bottom line is (and I've been saying this since preseason), the Broncos are going to give the Chargers all they can handle this year. And at this point it looks like I have that backwards.
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Meh... they have played two awful teams. If you think Henry is going to outplay LT this year then there isn't much we are going to agree on.
 
I had a nice lead going into the game where my opponent had the Pats D. All I have to say: Rivers man, WTF! F'in Rivers... Dude is brutal...

 
Gr00vus said:
That was quite the awakening.

This team isn't going anywhere special.

Rivers looks bad, Grossman bad, and I'm now starting to think we kept the wrong guy.

I was willing to give Norv the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with that. He's a lousy head coach and should be gone at the end of the season, if not sooner. He can take Cottrell with him.

A.J. doesn't look quite so good to me now either. I hope he's figuring out what it would take to get Cowher out here (I know not possible).

I feel angry with myself for letting myself get my hopes up for this season. At least they ended that early this year.

Somewhere out there Marty's laughing his head off. Actually he probably feels bad for his ex-players, but still. Disgusting.

I'd like to find a silver lining in this thing, but there just isn't one. That's as embarrassing a loss as any I can remember in 30 years of being a Charger fan.

I know this - I'll be taking a week or two off from watching them. And if they do have a tight race at the end of the season or somehow make it to the playoffs, I'll be expecting them to lose, and lose big.
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Yeah, because Brees has been lighting it up. :thumbdown:
 
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here. The Patriots were easily the better team today. That doesn't mean the season is over. Take a deep breath. In the big picture, the Chargers are 1-1 with a quality win and a bad loss on the road to possibly the best team in the NFL right now.

I think it will take some real (read: not preseason) game experience for the coaching staff and the players to get used to each other and get in a rhythm. I expect them to gel over the first half and for the team to be better in the second half. As long as they don't play themselves out of the postseason by then, they'll be fine. Fortunately, Denver, while 2-0, doesn't look strong, so they should still be favored to win the division.

As for Rivers, I agree he looked bad. However, the running game didn't look great either, nor did the pass protection. I expect all of them will be better pretty much every game the rest of the season, including if the face the Pats again in the postseason.

 
Gr00vus said:
That was quite the awakening.This team isn't going anywhere special.Rivers looks bad, Grossman bad, and I'm now starting to think we kept the wrong guy.I was willing to give Norv the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with that. He's a lousy head coach and should be gone at the end of the season, if not sooner. He can take Cottrell with him. A.J. doesn't look quite so good to me now either. I hope he's figuring out what it would take to get Cowher out here (I know not possible). I feel angry with myself for letting myself get my hopes up for this season. At least they ended that early this year.Somewhere out there Marty's laughing his head off. Actually he probably feels bad for his ex-players, but still. Disgusting.I'd like to find a silver lining in this thing, but there just isn't one. That's as embarrassing a loss as any I can remember in 30 years of being a Charger fan.I know this - I'll be taking a week or two off from watching them. And if they do have a tight race at the end of the season or somehow make it to the playoffs, I'll be expecting them to lose, and lose big.
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Hitting the bottle a little hard tonight, eh?
 
Rhino said:
Gr00vus said:
...I was willing to give Norv the benefit of the doubt, but I'm done with that. He's a lousy head coach and should be gone at the end of the season, if not sooner. He can take Cottrell with him....
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I can't believe more people aren't talking about this. Norv Turner has done nothing in the past to suggest that he can function as a head coach. Why he continues to get hired by teams around the league is baffling. He can function as a coordinator or position coach, but he impoldes every time he's given the reigns of a team. As small as the window of opportunity for success is in the NFL, the Chargers are squandering their opportunity by putting Turner in charge.
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I had a pretty good war with Chargers' fans in the offseason and got ridiculed for saying that the loss of Marty, the OC, and the DC was going ot be devastating...but you couldn't tell that to one Chargerfan as they bought the kool-aid that AJ Smith was pouring.
 
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here. The Patriots were easily the better team today. That doesn't mean the season is over. Take a deep breath. In the big picture, the Chargers are 1-1 with a quality win and a bad loss on the road to possibly the best team in the NFL right now.I think it will take some real (read: not preseason) game experience for the coaching staff and the players to get used to each other and get in a rhythm. I expect them to gel over the first half and for the team to be better in the second half. As long as they don't play themselves out of the postseason by then, they'll be fine. Fortunately, Denver, while 2-0, doesn't look strong, so they should still be favored to win the division.As for Rivers, I agree he looked bad. However, the running game didn't look great either, nor did the pass protection. I expect all of them will be better pretty much every game the rest of the season, including if the face the Pats again in the postseason.
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Quality win? How good did the Bears look today?
 
step awa from the ledge, people. They played the Bears and NE.

I will say the O-Line needs to step it up...they got owned tonight (as did the D, but NE is a better team)

Let's see what it looks like in November.

 
I'd like to find a silver lining in this thing, but there just isn't one. That's as embarrassing a loss as any I can remember in 30 years of being a Charger fan.
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One silver lining is that there's little chance the Chargers will be beaten as badly as they were today again this year. Unless you draw the Pats in the playoffs again, I guess.
 
Yup, game was lost due to Rivers playing real bad.

Broncos are getting lucky against some pretty bad teams. Chargers have played two of the league's best.

A 1-1 record is not the end of the world.

Packers, Chiefs, Broncos, and Raiders on tap.

I wouldn't complain about being 4-2 going into the bye.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here. The Patriots were easily the better team today. That doesn't mean the season is over. Take a deep breath. In the big picture, the Chargers are 1-1 with a quality win and a bad loss on the road to possibly the best team in the NFL right now.I think it will take some real (read: not preseason) game experience for the coaching staff and the players to get used to each other and get in a rhythm. I expect them to gel over the first half and for the team to be better in the second half. As long as they don't play themselves out of the postseason by then, they'll be fine. Fortunately, Denver, while 2-0, doesn't look strong, so they should still be favored to win the division.As for Rivers, I agree he looked bad. However, the running game didn't look great either, nor did the pass protection. I expect all of them will be better pretty much every game the rest of the season, including if the face the Pats again in the postseason
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Quality win? How good did the Bears look today?
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I'll wait more than 2 games to write off the defending NFC champs, thanks. I certainly think the Pats and Colts are better than the Bears, but I'm not sure how many other teams are head and shoulders better.
 
Just Win Baby said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here. The Patriots were easily the better team today. That doesn't mean the season is over. Take a deep breath. In the big picture, the Chargers are 1-1 with a quality win and a bad loss on the road to possibly the best team in the NFL right now.I think it will take some real (read: not preseason) game experience for the coaching staff and the players to get used to each other and get in a rhythm. I expect them to gel over the first half and for the team to be better in the second half. As long as they don't play themselves out of the postseason by then, they'll be fine. Fortunately, Denver, while 2-0, doesn't look strong, so they should still be favored to win the division.As for Rivers, I agree he looked bad. However, the running game didn't look great either, nor did the pass protection. I expect all of them will be better pretty much every game the rest of the season, including if the face the Pats again in the postseason
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Quality win? How good did the Bears look today?
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I'll wait more than 2 games to write off the defending NFC champs, thanks. I certainly think the Pats and Colts are better than the Bears, but I'm not sure how many other teams are head and shoulders better.
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How many games before you write-off the NFC Champ runner ups? Just asking.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here. The Patriots were easily the better team today. That doesn't mean the season is over. Take a deep breath. In the big picture, the Chargers are 1-1 with a quality win and a bad loss on the road to possibly the best team in the NFL right now.I think it will take some real (read: not preseason) game experience for the coaching staff and the players to get used to each other and get in a rhythm. I expect them to gel over the first half and for the team to be better in the second half. As long as they don't play themselves out of the postseason by then, they'll be fine. Fortunately, Denver, while 2-0, doesn't look strong, so they should still be favored to win the division.As for Rivers, I agree he looked bad. However, the running game didn't look great either, nor did the pass protection. I expect all of them will be better pretty much every game the rest of the season, including if the face the Pats again in the postseason
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Quality win? How good did the Bears look today?
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I'll wait more than 2 games to write off the defending NFC champs, thanks. I certainly think the Pats and Colts are better than the Bears, but I'm not sure how many other teams are head and shoulders better.
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How many games before you write-off the NFC Champ runner ups? Just asking.
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Not even close to the same thing.
 
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here.
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Word.Tonight's game was disappointing, but the sky isn't falling. Wanting to fire the General Manager or Head Coach after a single loss (to probably the best team in the league) is just a wee bit premature. Every team loses once in a while. Even the Colts lost a few games last year, and so did the Patriots. The year before that as well.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here. The Patriots were easily the better team today. That doesn't mean the season is over. Take a deep breath. In the big picture, the Chargers are 1-1 with a quality win and a bad loss on the road to possibly the best team in the NFL right now.I think it will take some real (read: not preseason) game experience for the coaching staff and the players to get used to each other and get in a rhythm. I expect them to gel over the first half and for the team to be better in the second half. As long as they don't play themselves out of the postseason by then, they'll be fine. Fortunately, Denver, while 2-0, doesn't look strong, so they should still be favored to win the division.As for Rivers, I agree he looked bad. However, the running game didn't look great either, nor did the pass protection. I expect all of them will be better pretty much every game the rest of the season, including if the face the Pats again in the postseason
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Quality win? How good did the Bears look today?
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I'll wait more than 2 games to write off the defending NFC champs, thanks. I certainly think the Pats and Colts are better than the Bears, but I'm not sure how many other teams are head and shoulders better.
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How many games before you write-off the NFC Champ runner ups? Just asking.
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More than two.
 
What do you expect when you fire one of the best coaches in the league after a 14-win season, and hire a below-mediocre retread in his place? Expect this team to continue to fall short of its expectations.

 
Kudo to the Pats...they smacked us...

I agree in the point that I don't think we are horribly bad. My point was - to play the way we did the last two weeks, we have not shown that we can play with the Big 2. Our offense is out of sync and will not win a shootout. Our D can not cover anyone. You take a good-great QB with an above average D, and we will be in trouble. Chargers fan want to win the playoffs this year, not just make them. I just can't see us beating Indy/Pats unless we really get our act together. Expectations are high this year....I just someone can right the ship....

On that point, anyone have any idea how to improve our secondary. Is there any scheme they can play that will protect that 8-12 yard cushion they seem to leave open underneath. Brady (and soon Manning) just ate that up......

 
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I think SD will be fine as time goes on. They have a whole new coaching staff and played the best team in the NFL (no offense Indy) and the best team in the NFC. This team needs to gel and get comfortable again. Still, I just don't understand why so many people overlooked the glaring weaknesses this team had at WR and DB heading into the season. I know a lot of the blame is being placed on Rivers, but NE and Chi was flat out challenging the SD WRs to beat them. They simply can't do it. At least not yet. As for the DBs, yeah they are bad. One of the weaker units in the NFL IMO. Any team who can even some what block that front 7 will eat them alive. I think SD is still going to be in the playoffs and win their division, but with weaknesses like that I can't place them in the elite. Hopefully someone steps up for them. I know there where high hopes for Jackson and Cromartie.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here.
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Word.Tonight's game was disappointing, but the sky isn't falling. Wanting to fire the General Manager or Head Coach after a single loss (to probably the best team in the league) is just a wee bit premature. Every team loses once in a while. Even the Colts lost a few games last year, and so did the Patriots. The year before that as well.
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Just to keep things in perspective the Pats lost their opening game to Buffalo in 2003 31-0, and still went on to win the Superbowl that year. The Steelers lost to Indy 26-7 but ended up beating them in the playoffs on their superbowl run. All is not lost just cause you lose a game badly.
 
Gr00vus said:


I know this - I'll be taking a week or two off from watching them. And if they do have a tight race at the end of the season or somehow make it to the playoffs, I'll be expecting them to lose, and lose big.
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Fair weather fanIf you ain't cheating, you are not trying

 
The Bolts got whooped but the season is not over. Their DBs stuggling is not new. Their running game struggling and Rivers shaky start is. The oline was not getting a push and allowing too much pressure. I think the offense is too talented for this to continue. They did play 2 great defenses so that should have someting to do with it. You have to give Turner a chance, he is not blovking out there. Rivers' turnover last night were just killers. Also when they got a FR off the kick off, to allow the Pats D to pressure them so much and lose 20 yds was inexcuseable, they could have made it a game there.

Things can only get better after that debacle last night.

 
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biggyd said:
Gr00vus said:


I know this - I'll be taking a week or two off from watching them. And if they do have a tight race at the end of the season or somehow make it to the playoffs, I'll be expecting them to lose, and lose big.
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Fair weather fanIf you ain't cheating, you are not trying
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You misunderstand. I am, always have been, and always will be a Charger fan. I've just adjusted my expectations for the team, expecting them to lose when it counts (and maybe when it doesn't count) with Norv as head coach. There's homerism, and there's realism. I'm practicing some realism now.There are only a few explanations possible here:

1) The Patriots are that good. I think this is true, so you've just seen the bar to which all other teams (I think maybe the Colts are there too) have to rise. Obviously the Chargers aren't there, so no future for them as things currently stand.

2) The Chargers aren't actually as talented as everybody's thought so far. Debatable, but I think the problems in the secondary are apparent and real, Rivers looks pretty bad and the jury's still out on if the middle linebackers can measure up.

3) Norv shouldn't be a head coach and general coaching problems. Losing that game, understandable but not ideal. Losing that game as badly as they lost it - an unacceptable coaching failure. How can you not be prepared to be even remotely competitive in that game? And when Has Norv ever risen to the occasion in his history. Answer: Never

In terms of having a winning season, I think that's likely. In terms of being "elite" or winning playoff games, I think that's unlikely. Given expectations for the season, I'd hope people would understand how disappointing realizing that is and why fans like me need a little time out to regroup.

But, once again the classy Pats fans like eom and bigyd (who I don't remember posting in any of these threads until now) show up to rub our noses in it. Thanks, you're the greatest. You'd think you'd be able to handle success with a bit more grace by now. :shrug:

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Just Win Baby said:
There's a lot of overreacting going on in here.
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Word.Tonight's game was disappointing, but the sky isn't falling. Wanting to fire the General Manager or Head Coach after a single loss (to probably the best team in the league) is just a wee bit premature. Every team loses once in a while. Even the Colts lost a few games last year, and so did the Patriots. The year before that as well.
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Yep, it's 2 games against 2 very good teams. Before the season started and I looked at the schedule, sure I hoped the Bolts to be 2-0, but I would have been ok with 1-1. Sometimes us fans let the heat of a moment cloud the big picture. It is a long season, the offensive line and Rivers have not played well to start. There will be plenty more chances from here on out. Last night the Bolts got caught in a buzz saw by a team that was FAR more prepared then they. Hopefully the team can learn from it, put it behind them, and get ready for Green Bay.
 
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This game is on Rivers and the O-Line. The defense wasn't great, but the game was over when Rivers imploded in the first quarter. He can't seem to maintain his emotions. The talent is there they just need to pull it together better.
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The defense was terrible. Rivers and the OL were equally as bad, but the Chargers got ZERO momentum changing plays from the defense. The Patriots absolutely dominated the game in the trenches last night. Jamal Williams' injury certainly played a part in the Bolts DL getting abused, but the OL has no excuses.If you had told me that the Bolts would have looked this bad through 2 games and still ended up 1-1 playing against the Bears and the Pats, I'd have taken it.

Way, WAY too early to talk about "a lost season" and firing coaches.

 
Gr00vus said:
biggyd said:
Gr00vus said:


I know this - I'll be taking a week or two off from watching them. And if they do have a tight race at the end of the season or somehow make it to the playoffs, I'll be expecting them to lose, and lose big.
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Fair weather fanIf you ain't cheating, you are not trying
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You misunderstand. I am, always have been, and always will be a Charger fan. I've just adjusted my expectations for the team, expecting them to lose when it counts (and maybe when it doesn't count) with Norv as head coach. There's homerism, and there's realism. I'm practicing some realism now.There are only a few explanations possible here:

1) The Patriots are that good. I think this is true, so you've just seen the bar to which all other teams (I think maybe the Colts are there too) have to rise. Obviously the Chargers aren't there, so no future for them as things currently stand.

2) The Chargers aren't actually as talented as everybody's thought so far. Debatable, but I think the problems in the secondary are apparent and real, Rivers looks pretty bad and the jury's still out on if the middle linebackers can measure up.

3) Norv shouldn't be a head coach and general coaching problems. Losing that game, understandable but not ideal. Losing that game as badly as they lost it - an unacceptable coaching failure. How can you not be prepared to be even remotely competitive in that game? And when Has Norv ever risen to the occasion in his history. Answer: Never

In terms of having a winning season, I think that's likely. In terms of being "elite" or winning playoff games, I think that's unlikely. Given expectations for the season, I'd hope people would understand how disappointing realizing that is and why fans like me need a little time out to regroup.

But, once again the classy Pats fans like eom and bigyd (who I don't remember posting in any of these threads until now) show up to rub our noses in it. Thanks, you're the greatest. You'd think you'd be able to handle success with a bit more grace by now. :thumbup:
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I was depressed for weeks after that loss to the Pats in the playoffs last year. After years of Ryan Leaf and Brees struggling and a serviceable at best O-line and then they dumped Harrison and Seau, bad clock management and a missed kick against the Jets, and they let Brees go?! we FINALLY had a really good team. 14-2! And it came down to a fumbled INT return and another missed kick.Over the off-season everyone was talking about how the Chargers were the most talented team in the league; best O-line, best RB, best TE, top 5 D, pretty good QB, up-and-coming receivers. People were down on Turner, but how can anyone screw up a team like that?

I was a little worried after last week. The offense didn't look right. Last year's team would have drubbed that Bear's team. But I thought they'd at least show up and have something to say last night. Wow was I wrong. It hurt.

Rivers isn't anywhere near the class of Brady/Manning/Palmer. Someone up above got it right when they said he's too emotional. Turner tried to establish the pass early and Rivers and the receivers were bad. Or at least they were last night. Turner doesn't know how to run the offense the way Marty/Cam did. Did anyone notice that the guy behind Adaelus Thomas on that pick return was Buster Davis and that he couldn't catch him?? WTF? Where was the best O-line in the league? LT looked lethargic. The only thing that worked was Gates. The Patriots completely outclassed the Chargers.

I for one plan to drastically modify my expectations for the season. They might be pretty good and they'll probably make the playoffs, but unless something changes dramatically, they're not going to beat the Pats. We might as well crown their asses.

 
tommyGunZ said:
jonessed said:
This game is on Rivers and the O-Line. The defense wasn't great, but the game was over when Rivers imploded in the first quarter. He can't seem to maintain his emotions. The talent is there they just need to pull it together better.
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The defense was terrible. Rivers and the OL were equally as bad, but the Chargers got ZERO momentum changing plays from the defense. The Patriots absolutely dominated the game in the trenches last night. Jamal Williams' injury certainly played a part in the Bolts DL getting abused, but the OL has no excuses.If you had told me that the Bolts would have looked this bad through 2 games and still ended up 1-1 playing against the Bears and the Pats, I'd have taken it.

Way, WAY too early to talk about "a lost season" and firing coaches.
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The Defense seemed surprised to see the spread offense. I mean, isnt that how the Pats moved the ball in the playoff game, spread it out and get rid of it quick, very dissapointed that the D was not prepared for it at the start of the game.Rivers has looked quite shaky at the start of both games. Not sure if it is nerves or what, but he needs to soak his head a bit, holly molly. Note to Norv, we are a running team, that runs to set up the Pass, not the other way around. He is getting too fancy, I expect the team to go back to it's roots this week.

How they respond at Greenbay will tell me alot about what this team is made of.

 
BeachBums said:
Gr00vus said:
biggyd said:
Gr00vus said:


I know this - I'll be taking a week or two off from watching them. And if they do have a tight race at the end of the season or somehow make it to the playoffs, I'll be expecting them to lose, and lose big.
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Fair weather fanIf you ain't cheating, you are not trying
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You misunderstand. I am, always have been, and always will be a Charger fan. I've just adjusted my expectations for the team, expecting them to lose when it counts (and maybe when it doesn't count) with Norv as head coach. There's homerism, and there's realism. I'm practicing some realism now.There are only a few explanations possible here:

1) The Patriots are that good. I think this is true, so you've just seen the bar to which all other teams (I think maybe the Colts are there too) have to rise. Obviously the Chargers aren't there, so no future for them as things currently stand.

2) The Chargers aren't actually as talented as everybody's thought so far. Debatable, but I think the problems in the secondary are apparent and real, Rivers looks pretty bad and the jury's still out on if the middle linebackers can measure up.

3) Norv shouldn't be a head coach and general coaching problems. Losing that game, understandable but not ideal. Losing that game as badly as they lost it - an unacceptable coaching failure. How can you not be prepared to be even remotely competitive in that game? And when Has Norv ever risen to the occasion in his history. Answer: Never

In terms of having a winning season, I think that's likely. In terms of being "elite" or winning playoff games, I think that's unlikely. Given expectations for the season, I'd hope people would understand how disappointing realizing that is and why fans like me need a little time out to regroup.

But, once again the classy Pats fans like eom and bigyd (who I don't remember posting in any of these threads until now) show up to rub our noses in it. Thanks, you're the greatest. You'd think you'd be able to handle success with a bit more grace by now. :thumbup:
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I was depressed for weeks after that loss to the Pats in the playoffs last year. After years of Ryan Leaf and Brees struggling and a serviceable at best O-line and then they dumped Harrison and Seau, bad clock management and a missed kick against the Jets, and they let Brees go?! we FINALLY had a really good team. 14-2! And it came down to a fumbled INT return and another missed kick.Over the off-season everyone was talking about how the Chargers were the most talented team in the league; best O-line, best RB, best TE, top 5 D, pretty good QB, up-and-coming receivers. People were down on Turner, but how can anyone screw up a team like that?

I was a little worried after last week. The offense didn't look right. Last year's team would have drubbed that Bear's team. But I thought they'd at least show up and have something to say last night. Wow was I wrong. It hurt.

Rivers isn't anywhere near the class of Brady/Manning/Palmer. Someone up above got it right when they said he's too emotional. Turner tried to establish the pass early and Rivers and the receivers were bad. Or at least they were last night. Turner doesn't know how to run the offense the way Marty/Cam did. Did anyone notice that the guy behind Adaelus Thomas on that pick return was Buster Davis and that he couldn't catch him?? WTF? Where was the best O-line in the league? LT looked lethargic. The only thing that worked was Gates. The Patriots completely outclassed the Chargers.

I for one plan to drastically modify my expectations for the season. They might be pretty good and they'll probably make the playoffs, but unless something changes dramatically, they're not going to beat the Pats. We might as well crown their asses.
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Wow. An entirely new coaching staff comes in, and the offense struggles going up against quite possibly the 2 best defenses in the NFL, and you're writing off Rivers and the Bolts?
 
Not a Chargers fan, but as a Jets fan I must hate the Pats, so we have a common enemy.

The first half was brutal to watch. I thought o-line looked decent running the ball, but the Pats just took LT out of it early. Rivers made way too many mistakes... sure he was under a lot of pressure and better protection can help, but just making poor, poor decisions out there.

The secondary problems would worry me a lot - Jammer looked lost, Cromartie is completely useless in coverage. The problem is that with both the Colts and Pats, not having a lockdown corner is going to kill them.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Wow. An entirely new coaching staff comes in, and the offense struggles going up against quite possibly the 2 best defenses in the NFL, and you're writing off Rivers and the Bolts?
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He looked bad. Those 2 ints last night had nothing to do with new coaches, they were bad reads and bad throws. I expected him to progress from last year. It looks like he's regressed and he still lets his emotions run away with him (it's o.k. for a fan to do that, it's not o.k. for an NFL qb to do that).Not good.
 
Gr00vus said:
tommyGunZ said:
Wow. An entirely new coaching staff comes in, and the offense struggles going up against quite possibly the 2 best defenses in the NFL, and you're writing off Rivers and the Bolts?
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He looked bad. Those 2 ints last night had nothing to do with new coaches, they were bad reads and bad throws. I expected him to progress from last year. It looks like he's regressed and he still lets his emotions run away with him (it's o.k. for a fan to do that, it's not o.k. for an NFL qb to do that).Not good.
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No doubt. Those were bad throws. On the other hand, he came back from those 2 picks and did some very good things when given time to read and react.
 
eom said:
I was showing up before the game to rub your noses in it, too, but before the game your head was in a place I couldn't reach...

the pats are just who we thought they were, and the chargers are just who we thought they were --- and you got your results.

what's the big deal?

go back and look at last year's results --- points given up in the air, how many games were eked out by a score against mediocre teams, record against afc playoff teams ---- what makes you think this year would be any different?

you want people to treat you w/respect, you'd better earn it first.

ps

could you guys possibly stop fellating tomlinson and blaming everything on every coach you have?
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eom is Dennis Green. It's all starting to come together now.
 
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