Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
With AJ out, Ahman may see more catches, but the offense overall may less able to move the ball.
Will Ahman's value go up/down because of this news?
Will Ahman's value go up/down because of this news?
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I think it goes up, Green is a very good receiver out of the backfield, up to now they have not used him in that regard.
packersfan
Footballguy
The last time Johnson missed any games was in 2005. Here are the rushing numbers for those games (with David Carr at QB):
Week 6
Dom Davis 18-40 (TD reception)
Week 7
Dom Davis 28-98 TD
Week 8
Dom Davis 28-91
Week 6
Dom Davis 18-40 (TD reception)
Week 7
Dom Davis 28-98 TD
Week 8
Dom Davis 28-91
H.K.
Footballguy
If the Panthers lost Steve Smith, the entire offense would go in the toilet. The same will happen in Houston without 80. Green is worthless now.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
Owen Daniels is a sneaky play this week. Something to the tune of 5/67/1.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
oops, nevermind. just saw the other thread on this.I´ll close the door on my way out, thanks.
Restricted
Footballguy
Down. Now the safeties checks the run first instead of Johnson.
Koya
Footballguy
Yeah but you see... there is this issue I have in most (err all) my leagues. Our lineups are due BEFORE the games are played. So we need to make our best guess ahead of time.
Chaka
Footballguy
I get that.And since you acknowledge that it is a guess then what is your guess about Ahman's production? Remember there is a strong possibility that every single person who posts here is completely insane.If it's a gut call go with your gut, not anyone else's.
dnurk
Footballguy
This is the correct answer. Bob Sanders will be playing even more of his pseudo-linebacker position this week. If you have watched him during the playoff run last year and through the first two weeks of the season this year, Sanders is an absolute animal. I think this one could get ugly for the Texans.
Koya
Footballguy
Sometimes my gut is not objective for various reasons. It is good to get other people's insight. If all people needed was news and their gut, there would be no place for a forum such as this.As I noted earlier, I expect the entire offense to struggle, and you don't want a RB on a struggling offense with no passing game. Ahman will see 8 man fronts and the team won't see the red zone often so scoring opps will be limited.I have already downgraded Ahman from a possible #2 and great #3 to an ok #3 RB until AJ comes back, or the team proves me wrong.
packersfan
Footballguy
Perhaps. However, the historical info I posted earlier suggests it may not be that bad for Green. I think the Texans are a much better team now than they were two seasons ago when Johnson missed time. Schaub is a huge upgrade over Carr; the line looks better; the WRs are probably nothing different and I'd say Green is at least on par with where Dom Davis was then as a RB. Davis caught the ball out of the backfield more but Green is also a good receiver and certainly could do well in the short term in that role. One thing about the Texans is that they have always run the ball well. Even when Carr was horrible and the team stunk they ran the ball well. Didn't matter who the RB was. Remember when Jonathan Wells was busting it up? How about Dayne last season? Even Morency had a big game two seasons ago. The running game has been the one constant both with and without Andre Johnson.There's no question losing Johnson is a huge blow. But I'm not so sure the Texans are just going to collapse. If they can run the ball and Schaub can just keep moving the chains perhaps their offense won't go belly up.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Traded away Ahman to a team with RB issues for Big Ben, which in turn will enable me to pick up a waiver wire RB by dropping Schaub.
So long Houston; it's been good to know ya!
So long Houston; it's been good to know ya!
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Actually tough for you to critique without more info. I loaded up on RBs and WRs in the draft while others loaded up on QBs. My QB1 ended up being Leinart, who appears to have some significant coaching transition issues. After trading away Ahman, I'm left with SJAX, Portis & Betts, Jamal Lewis and Buckhalter. So waving goodbye to the Texans and upgrading my QB1 to Ben was an easy decision. Steelers homers will tell you that Ben has Top 5 potential, but I traded for him on the assumption of Top 10 floor, whereas the Arizona situation may or may not improve.
Mik789fl
Footballguy
Link?
az_prof
Footballguy
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Non-issue.
I think it stays the same. The Daniels gets a slight bump. I think the player that really benefits the most from this is surprisingly Ron Dayne. I see Houston changing their play calling, becoming more of a run based team against Indy (similar to what the Titans tried last week). Ahman will be good for 80 yards and maybe a TD, but I see this as a huge potential for Dayne....
Chaka
Footballguy
And there is your answer, proceed accordingly.Glad to help.
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I agree. Daniels is probably a very good play this week. I believe I will be starting him over Tony Gonzalez.
Per Sportsline, so take it for what it's worth:
"Green (knee) did not practice Wednesday, but the team is not yet concerned he will sit out Sunday. Green has played in the team's first two games, totaling 144 rushing yards on 31 carries. He has one rushing touchdown. Green has a tall task ahead of him on Sunday as the Colts will undoubtedly be focused on stopping the RB after the news that WR Andre Johnson will not play. Green is no more than a No. 3 Fantasy RB for Week 3."
Someone mentioned AJ being out an opportunity for Dayne. Will be interesting to see what happens with Ahman this coming Sunday.
IMO, the good play this week is the Indy D, especially if Green sits.
"Green (knee) did not practice Wednesday, but the team is not yet concerned he will sit out Sunday. Green has played in the team's first two games, totaling 144 rushing yards on 31 carries. He has one rushing touchdown. Green has a tall task ahead of him on Sunday as the Colts will undoubtedly be focused on stopping the RB after the news that WR Andre Johnson will not play. Green is no more than a No. 3 Fantasy RB for Week 3."
Someone mentioned AJ being out an opportunity for Dayne. Will be interesting to see what happens with Ahman this coming Sunday.
IMO, the good play this week is the Indy D, especially if Green sits.
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Gbagzz
Footballguy
That's very one dimesional thinking. You cant just apples to apples 2 different NFL team like that.If the Panthers lost Steve Smith, the entire offense would go in the toilet. The same will happen in Houston without 80. Green is worthless now.
Nate
Footballguy
Hmm... on second thought I think Green will be used a lot more in this game than he has so far. The Texans have won their games pretty decisively and Dayne has been seeing the majority of work in holding the lead. Green won't be as efficient but I wouldn't be surprised if he had a dozen more touches in this game than either of the first two.
Max Power
Footballguy
has everyone lost it?
How can you guys think this upgrades Green?
Green is already "being rested" during games to keep him fresh throughout the year. Dayne is getting as many carries as he is.
Losing your best player and only true deep threat will not open up running lanes anymore. note to texans fans...you just lost 75% of your O's scoring for about a month.
Hou will not be playing with a lead often and as a poster above mentioned, teams WILL make Schaub try to beat them with very very sub par WR corps.
Id be shocked to see 300 total yards and 2 TDs over the next month from Green.
How can you guys think this upgrades Green?
Green is already "being rested" during games to keep him fresh throughout the year. Dayne is getting as many carries as he is.
Losing your best player and only true deep threat will not open up running lanes anymore. note to texans fans...you just lost 75% of your O's scoring for about a month.
Hou will not be playing with a lead often and as a poster above mentioned, teams WILL make Schaub try to beat them with very very sub par WR corps.
Id be shocked to see 300 total yards and 2 TDs over the next month from Green.
Acme CEO
Footballguy
nice knee jerk analysis1) Houston's O line has done a good job protecting Schaub (2 sacks against KC & none against Car) and helped AG to a very good 4.6 ypc. 2) Schaub > Carr. His lofty 111 qb rating & 72% completion rate will drop without AJ, but he should still be good enough to manage and move the chains. 3) Houston's D (5th in DVOA, 9th in total D) should be decent enough to prevent blowouts and allow AG to keep running late into the game. 4) AG has been rested the last two games due to AJ putting Houston in a comfortable lead & that's not going to happen with Indy. It is expected that his averages will drop with more attention on stopping the run, but his increase in touches will make up for it. 5) Ron Dayne is a mediocre RB used in garbage time. He's no more threat to AG than any other backup. AG's production should be fine.
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Chaka
Footballguy
So you think Ahman will get a little under 75 yards and 0.5 TDs per game?
Nate
Footballguy
Nate
Footballguy
Way to go out on a limb
. He's rushed for 73 & 71 yards, and 23 yards receiving in the first two weeks against the Chiefs and Panthers, and they face the Colts, Falcons, Dolphins, and Jaguars in the next 4. 300 yards would probably be about par for the course against the stronger D coming the next 4 weeks. Prepare to be shocked, I guess.
Acme CEO
Footballguy
Throw in about 15 - 20 receiving yards.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Acme CEO says 95 yards and 0.5 TDs per game.Anyone else want to make a prediction?
Acme CEO
Footballguy
Edited it to about 15 - 20; extrapolates to around RB 20 over the season. Are you quoting me because you think its too high?
Chaka
Footballguy
Nope, but I just wanted to see how your 300 & 2 prediction looks on a per game basis. Personally I think your yardage estimate is low. Ahman is an every down back, he has great hands and runs well in short yardage situations (has for his entire career). Barring another Houston blowout, which I don't see against the Colts, I expect to see Ahman on the field a lot.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
Looks like Dayne is a game time decision with bruised ribs. Keep an eye on that, Green would stand to get 20-25 carries without Dayne in the mix. Although they could relegate it to Gado?
I don't like Green this week. B. Sanders will key the run, and I think he's going to shut down Green.
I don't like Green this week. B. Sanders will key the run, and I think he's going to shut down Green.
Koya
Footballguy
Can he kick 70 yard field goals?
az_prof
Footballguy
Nate
Footballguy
Watch and learn then. He had 15 touches against Carolina. Tough to predict TDs, but I bet he gets 20-25 touches against Indy. His YPC could drop off dramatically and he'd still put up the same yards.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
Predictions anyone?
I say 90 yds 0td
I say 90 yds 0td
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Forward schedule: Colts, @Falcons, Dolphins, @Jags, Titans, @SDIn six games, I see 1-3 TDs and a dropoff in per game total yards. Schaub's droppoff will be worse.I'll go with 19/75/0.33 TDs until Andre Johnson is 100%.
Gbagzz
Footballguy
Value goes up b/c he'll be a primary option in the offense but production will be offset by the void left by Johnson. I think the combination of him getting more carries/targets with the Defenses keying on him more cancels each other out. In PPR leagues maybe it goes up a tick.
