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Kiper's big board - 2007-2008 Edition (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
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Two guys that made themselves a lot more money by staying in school are Jake Long, Sam Baker, and Glen Dorsey.
Long & Baker looked mostly ready to enter the NFL last year, but their on-field performances have elevated them by a good 5-10 spots.
Edit: Brohm too. He could be the #1 overall pick this year.
Long & Baker looked mostly ready to enter the NFL last year, but their on-field performances have elevated them by a good 5-10 spots.
Edit: Brohm too. He could be the #1 overall pick this year.
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Football Jones
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No RBs in the top 25. Anybody have a list of the top RBs who are likely to come out early? I'm way behind on my rookie research for my dynasty leagues because of school.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Reading that probably made me laugh more than it should have.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Off the top of my head...Johnathan StewartMcFaddenRay Rice - overratedSlaton - overratedJamaal CharlesJames Davis
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Football Jones
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thanx, bro
Blackjacks
Footballguy
DorseyHopefully the Rams are in the top 3...they could use any of that
...and the rams select another DT with their #1 pick.
428143
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Rashard Mendenhall(6 feet, 210 pounds) from Illinois5* recruit coming out of highschool who has been dominating the opposition this season with opponents stacking the line against the Illini rushing attack. He has all the tools NFL teams are looking for nowadays...check him out this weekend versus Wisconsin. I expect him to be a fine NFL starting RB regardless of the system he ends up in.
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Big Daddy Kane
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Why are YOU doing research? Seriously, you're no NFL talent scout. Don't even waste your time, instead do well in school. Let NFL scouts do the legwork, let NFL teams draft their players, then YOU draft rookies accordingly. Again, I repeat YOU are no scout, don't pretend to be one. Study your school work.
TheWick
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Big Daddy Kane
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Meh, it's a crapshoot at best. People talked like that about Robert Gallery, D'Brick Ferguson, etc. An O-linemen is aways hyped up, and the return on investment is lukewarm at best in most recent cases.
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jeter23
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It is not a very deep class considering only the seniors. When including the underclassmen that are expected to come out early, rookie drafts will be loaded!!
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Baker played nowhere near his reputation last year and it was no secret by the last couple of games when he needed TE and RB help on almost every passing down. He was graded so poorly by his own coaches that he never considered the draft after what happened to Fred Matua (who came out early and got cut). Baker has much to prove this year and so far I give him a B, mostly for effort.
I dont understand the Sweed love. He's way too inconsistent for my liking - he doesn't do any of the little things well, and he doesnt have the speed to make up for a lack of fundamentals. He's like Dwayne Jarrett without the hands, toughness, and body control, or Plaxico Burress without the playmaking killer instinct.
Chaos Commish
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Seems like Texas is on almost every week, so I have seen him plenty, but I hesitate to disagree with you especially on someone there in your backyard. Here's some things that impress me. He started in 33 consecutive games before the wrist injury and played through several nagging injuries-- pretty tough I think. He clocked a 4.50 at a Pro Day for Juniors-- fast enough. He finished fourth in the state 110M high hurdles and was a hoops star-- fast and athletic. The catch he made to beat the Buckeyes in the big house as a sophomore has never left me. It shapes my opinion of him being a big time playmaker and having clutch quality. He also broke Roy Williams record for consecutive games with a TD-- consistent. He's always been good when I have watched him but I have the feeling I am too high on him. Including juniors I ranked him 30th. Scout.com's ex NFL scout Tom Marino ranks him 8th in the whole class, so I have good company if I have him wrong.Sigmund Bloom said:
Andy Dufresne
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I can't decide if he looks "effortless" or "sluggish" to me. I'm leaning toward the latter.Sigmund Bloom said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
gianmarco said:
I meant for that to only apply to long and Baker. Not sure why I threw Dorsey in there. Although I could change the beginning from two to three and it would be accurate as Dorsey has improved his stock as well.
Andy Dufresne
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When was the last time a DT went #1 overall? I really don't know - I'm just asking.Edit: Found it. Nice run for DT's in the early 90's (The numbers are years played and Pro Bowls).1994 Dan Wilkinson DT Ohio State Cincinnati Bengals 13 0 1992 Steve Emtman DT Washington Indianapolis Colts 8 0 1991 Russell Maryland DT Miami, (Fla.) Dallas Cowboys 10 1WhoDat said:
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Reaper
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Okam was supposedly set to leave as well....Is this the 3-4 DT the Jets Need?6'5'' 320.... More room to grow?
Erin Go Bragh
Footballguy
The Illini coaches are praying that this guy does not declare early. There is not much buzz on him yet, but there will be.
It is going to depend on the situation and variables like "signability;" scheme; rating and, of course, team need. If a historically thrifty team that already has a QB in their stable should somehow get that pick, Dorsey could be the guy. I know people love the skill position players but...Franchise DT are hard to come by and Dorsey looks to be cut in the mold of a T. Harris. Lots of ball left to be played but I would not be shocked if Dorsey landed in that slot.
Andy Dufresne
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It wouldn't surprise me either. In the little bit I've seen him play, he does look like the proverbial "Man among boys."
I just remember reading study results, which my dad was involved with, that polled high school, college and NFL coaches. There was a hypothetical question that asked...If you could have your choice of a no doubt about it, can't miss, blue chip DT, RB or QB, which would you take?Nobody selected the running back and it was split down the middle between the DT and QB.Strangers things have happened but it would not be a shocker.
Linton Trust
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wondering if anyone else has seen this guy Omar Cuff play?
i live in the tri-state area and get CN8, which plays CAA conference games...
This guy has 18 TDs in 5 games (and is being pulled in the 2nd half in most games)
looks unstoppable against these defenses... guess coming from a 1-AA school will hurt his draft position... but i watch a lot of college ball and think this kid is real...
i live in the tri-state area and get CN8, which plays CAA conference games...
This guy has 18 TDs in 5 games (and is being pulled in the 2nd half in most games)
looks unstoppable against these defenses... guess coming from a 1-AA school will hurt his draft position... but i watch a lot of college ball and think this kid is real...
patrickmcgroin
Footballguy
Another good week for him.
Tenacious D
Footballguy
Darren McFadden leads the class, of seniors and underclassmen. If any of those are overrated, I'd say it's Jamaal Charles. He is a track guy playing football. People will love his speed, and he could be decent as a change of pace runner and maybe learn to be a kick returner, but he lacks the instincts and elusiveness to be a feature back. I don't think Rice is overrated and Slaton is only overrated in terms of what his NFL upside may be b/c of his frame. I can't figure out exactly what I don't like about Jonathan Stewart, but he's definitely deserves to be up there. With his size/speed and kick return ability, he'll be a hot commodity. I think James Davis is pretty ordinary.A couple guys I'd add, starting with Felix Jones. It won't be Cadillac and Ronnie Brown, but Arkansas could have two first round RBs. Think about the Colts late in the first round, with his kick return ability, that he can catch a ball, and the fact they're thin behind Addai, Jones would be a great fit. Kevin Smith has pushed himself in to the discussion out of nowhere and Rashard Mendenhall has shown the talent that was suppressed the last two years. He isn't having the season he had last year, which was unrealistic to expect, but Ian Johnson should still be mentioned. There will be plenty of fluke year/gimmick offense criticisms, but I think he will find success in the NFL.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
1. Brohm will be the 3rd QB taken. (Woodson, Ryan)
2. I'm beginning to think Dorsey is the #1 pick, but that's mostly based on the teams that stink so far not needing a QB.
3. McFadden is top-10 when he declares, but I think the FF mindset has many folks overvaluing him. Peterson went 7th....regardless of injury concerns, Peterson was the best between the tackles prospect in forever, and he went 7th.
4. Jamal Charles will be a 3rd round steal for someone. Texas isn't running very well, especially up the gut, but Charles is a very good player.
5. Not buying the Sweed love either, but this is a thin WR draft.
6. Okam is playing his way in to the top-15.
2. I'm beginning to think Dorsey is the #1 pick, but that's mostly based on the teams that stink so far not needing a QB.
3. McFadden is top-10 when he declares, but I think the FF mindset has many folks overvaluing him. Peterson went 7th....regardless of injury concerns, Peterson was the best between the tackles prospect in forever, and he went 7th.
4. Jamal Charles will be a 3rd round steal for someone. Texas isn't running very well, especially up the gut, but Charles is a very good player.
5. Not buying the Sweed love either, but this is a thin WR draft.
6. Okam is playing his way in to the top-15.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I think that despite my affection for Andre Woodson, Matt Ryan is looking like the only QB who can rise to "wow, this guy is worth the #1 pick!" status. If NE or Dallas ends up with the pick, I think it's Dorsey. If Kansas City or even Miami ends up with the 1, which is very possible, then they have to go QB (even w/ J. Beck on board in Miami). Could Miami go for an OT? Sure. Could Dallas grab an O-lineman? Maybe. But I think the pool of possible #1 overall guys is dwindling quickly. Outside of Dorsey - who doesn't play a marquee position - I haven't seen anyone this season that compares to Vince YOung, Jamarcus Russell, Carson Palmer. As an aside, if the Pats end up in the top-5, I think they'd almost certainly trade down.GordonGekko said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Not sure of the date, but it is updated:
Both WRs dropped off due to injury, I'd guess. Doucet belonged and still does. I still don't think Sweed did or does.
SuperJohn96
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Wow...what happened to the RB and WR positions?
3 QBs
0 RBs
1 WR
1 TE
3 QBs
0 RBs
1 WR
1 TE
zamboni
Footballguy
I was thinking the same re: RBs. I don't follow the college ranks that closely, but I thought it was supposed to be a solid 2008 RB class.
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Jonathan Stewart is the real deal and I see him being the best back coming out.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
His list only includes seniors at this point. Aren't most of the best RBs juniors?Edit: Yes. McFadden, Slaton, and Stewart are all juniors.
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Andy Dufresne
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Another update:
What's going on with Okam? I thought he was playing well and moving UP the boards, not down.Big Risers - Quentin Groves, Lawrence Jackson Big Fallers - Sam Baker, Chevis JacksonNew - Jeff Otah, DJ Hall, Cody Wallace, Early Doucet (back in top 25 again)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Very true. But since no underclassmen have declared yet, we can at least talk about these guys.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Looks like a couple years ago when SF when stuck with the #1 pick. Not a true stud franchise player to grab there.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not sure about that. When all is said and done, Dorsey, and Jake and Chris Long may all in position to make a major impact. Chris Long is playing better than Mario Williams was to years ago.And after Matt Ryan's comback victory last night, he may have the "it" factor to be a good NFL QB.
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The Ref
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Read the book "The Blind Side" and you will have a better understanding why teams will always take a chance on landing the next great LT (Left Tackle). Other then the QB, having a good, if not great, Left Tackle is the next important thing to have on a team.
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