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Round #2 The TB RB Situation... Ding Ding! (1 Viewer)

Who's the next starting RB for TB

  • Earnest Graham: He'll be the guy for the remainder '07 season

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  • Kenneth Darby... This Kid is gonna turn some heads!

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  • Chester Taylor will be acquired?

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  • Mewelde Moore will be acquired?

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  • Tikki & Ronde Unite?

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After all the week 5 speculation on the TB/RB situation... In the name of consistency, I present the same dilemma for the week 6 situation.

From Rotoworld: Coach Jon Gruden said Monday that Michael Pittman could miss 6-8 weeks after suffering what he called "a pretty good sprain" during Sunday's game.

Pittman's status should become official once the Bucs get his MRI results back later Monday. Gruden indicated that the team will be looking to bring in some running-back depth, with Earnest Graham starting and Kenneth Darby backing him up in the meantime.

Thoughts?

 
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I would think Graham is the workhorse for now and the Bucs try hard to bring in another RB - maybe sweetening the offer for Mewelde Moore. He'd be a great fit there. At worst, he'd be a third-down RB and complement for Graham. At best, he takes over as the starter. But for at least a game or two I'd think we'd see Graham getting 20 rushing attempts and 2-3 receptions a game. If he can step up the way Rudi Johnson did, for example, a few seasons ago maybe folks will have a second-half RB sleeper.

And yea I'm a Graham owner so I'm hoping for that. :banned:

 
packersfan said:
I would think Graham is the workhorse for now and the Bucs try hard to bring in another RB - maybe sweetening the offer for Mewelde Moore. He'd be a great fit there. At worst, he'd be a third-down RB and complement for Graham. At best, he takes over as the starter. But for at least a game or two I'd think we'd see Graham getting 20 rushing attempts and 2-3 receptions a game. If he can step up the way Rudi Johnson did, for example, a few seasons ago maybe folks will have a second-half RB sleeper.And yea I'm a Graham owner so I'm hoping for that. :banned:
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Second that, I wasted my claim on him last week....
 
What about Domanick Williams (formerly Domanick Davis)?

He's young by rb standards 27 yrs. Had a couple decent seasons with Houston. Does anybody have info on his injury from last year?

 
ctdub said:
What about Domanick Williams (formerly Domanick Davis)?He's young by rb standards 27 yrs. Had a couple decent seasons with Houston. Does anybody have info on his injury from last year?
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My understanding was that his knee was healed, but it just hurt when he played. He didn't like playing with the pain, so he basically just hung it up...although I don't think he officially retired.
 
ctdub said:
What about Domanick Williams (formerly Domanick Davis)?He's young by rb standards 27 yrs. Had a couple decent seasons with Houston. Does anybody have info on his injury from last year?
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To my knowledge, he hasn't even had a call to come to camp. Probably not a great sign he'll ever be back.I believe he got a nice signing bonus from Houston. He's set for life.
 
How bout this for a 3-way trade:

Baltimore gives 3rd-string RB Mike Anderson to Denver.

Denver gives Mike Bell to Tampa Bay.

Tampa Bay gives Chris Simms to Baltimore.

:goodposting:

 
If I'm the Bucs I pony up a 2nd or a 3 +, and go after Micheal Turner, now would be he time.

 
RAIDERNATION said:
How bout this for a 3-way trade:

Baltimore gives 3rd-string RB Mike Anderson to Denver.

Denver gives Mike Bell to Tampa Bay.

Tampa Bay gives Chris Simms to Baltimore.

:goodposting:
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We already have a weed epidemic here in Denver.ETA - Unless Bowlen wants to change name to Denver Bongcos

 
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Even if the Chargers would be willing to trade Turner they will want a whole lot more than a 2nd or 3rd. I think they were asking a pretty heavy price in the off season and don't know why they would back off of it now. If they did trade Turner they would no true backup for LT. They won't do that.

 
ctdub said:
Even if the Chargers would be willing to trade Turner they will want a whole lot more than a 2nd or 3rd. I think they were asking a pretty heavy price in the off season and don't know why they would back off of it now. If they did trade Turner they would no true backup for LT. They won't do that.
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I'll tell you why, b/c they looked like Super Bowl contenders in the offseason, and now, it's pretty clear they have no chance at beating NE or Indy even if they make the playoffs, IMO. Get something for him now, or nothing by waiting - and no Super Bowl
 
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ctdub said:
Even if the Chargers would be willing to trade Turner they will want a whole lot more than a 2nd or 3rd. I think they were asking a pretty heavy price in the off season and don't know why they would back off of it now. If they did trade Turner they would no true backup for LT. They won't do that.
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No, i dont think they would want more. In 4 months they get NOTHING for Turner.
 
I think we have three possible scenarios for Graham:

1. He's to the Bucs what Rudi Johnson was to the Bengals the year he entered the fray when Dillon got hurt. A legitimate RB1 who comes out of nowhere to flash big-time talent and production.

2. He's to the Bucs what Reuben Droughns to the Browns in his first season with Cleveland. A mediocre RB who puts up RB2 numbers due to the sheer volume of touches he receives.

3. He's a bum who maybe has some decent RB3 moments at best but turns out to be a failed experiment for the Bucs.

I honestly don't know which way to vote for the guy. Prior to yesterday the Bucs had run the ball well (including Graham) and they do have a good schedule so there is a shot he could do something here.

 
Easy there.... Only 5 weeks into the season. The Chargers aren't out of it yet. I'm not calling for them to win the AFC, but I bet there are quite a few people in their locker room and gm office that feel like they can. They are playing in a division they can win and once you make the playoffs anything can happen.

 
ctdub said:
Easy there.... Only 5 weeks into the season. The Chargers aren't out of it yet. I'm not calling for them to win the AFC, but I bet there are quite a few people in their locker room and gm office that feel like they can. They are playing in a division they can win and once you make the playoffs anything can happen.
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I'm just stating my opinion obviously. I don't think they have a shot at the AFC, but I think they will make the playoffs in their division. I know they have confidence in themselves, and that's why getting rid of Turner is unlikely...I'm just offering a reason why they MIGHT trade now, as opposed to holding on to him this past offseason
 
CrazyHorse1581 said:
Priest Holmes is about to come off of the pup list... just sayin'
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The Kansas City Star reports on Sunday, Chiefs RB Priest Holmes (neck - PUP list) stood at his locker, and he looked awfully good. There were a couple of reasons for this. One, Holmes has noticeably slimmed down and put on some muscle. It is amazing how much his body has changed in a few short weeks. He is apparently serious about his comeback. “I’m about 90 percent now,” he says. “I’m ready to go.” Holmes believes he will show everybody something then. He says he’s still got it. “I didn’t come back to smell the field,” Holmes says. He looks around and smiles. “I sure didn’t come back to smell the locker room. I came back to play.”
 
Holmes is one good hit from being in a wheel chair the rest of his life or worse dead. I wish the commisioner of common sense would sit him down and have a talk with him. I just don't get it. I hope for his sake that teams don't pick him up.

 
ctdub said:
Holmes is one good hit from being in a wheel chair the rest of his life or worse dead. I wish the commisioner of common sense would sit him down and have a talk with him. I just don't get it. I hope for his sake that teams don't pick him up.
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If the medical staff cleared him to play, the guy should be able to do what he wants. It's his life.
 
As I said in the other thread... I think that they should make a move for Reuben Droughns to use as a very trustworthy patch for the year, and then they can make a decision about the future.

 
ffldrew said:
RAIDERNATION said:
How bout this for a 3-way trade:

Baltimore gives 3rd-string RB Mike Anderson to Denver.

Denver gives Mike Bell to Tampa Bay.

Tampa Bay gives Chris Simms to Baltimore.

:confused:
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We already have a weed epidemic here in Denver.ETA - Unless Bowlen wants to change name to Denver Bongcos
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that's funny. i like that.i had no idea Mikey was a puff-puff-passer... i was under the impression he was one of those hard-care straight-edge ex-marines... shows you what i know...

 
Graham's the guy.

If he does well, he's the guy all season.

If he does poorly, they'll still probably only ease Kenneth Darby into more carries...they're not going to rush him. He just made the roster from the practice squad.

I could see them trading for a guy like Mewelde Moore and only using him as a 3rd down back, as well, as long as Graham runs well.

 
Well, this is an interesting thread in that there are multiple possibilities for the TB Running Back situation. My view encompasses a few ideas and some thoughts on each:

1) Earnest Graham has the opportunity - the ball is in his hands to see if he can handle the job. I see him as a marginal RB3 in terms of fantasy production. Not much different from Tenn RB Chris Brown - a good game every 7 weeks separated by slight productions days. IMO, 30% of holding the job.

2) Corey Dillon already said NO to TB. He is in shape and has been working out waiting for just such a phone call. TB is 3-2 and tied for the division lead. They are in contention, but must not have made him a decent offer. Vet min? If they opt to up the ante, maybe he will reconsider the visit south. 3% of him going there.

3) Mewelde Moore traded to TB for a 6th round pick, conditional for a 5th rounder based on playing time/performance. Moore (Height/Weight: 5-11/212) is a nice Caddy replacement with good hands. (Caddy= Height/Weight: 5-11/217). While 4 months younger, Moore has an extra year of NFL experience. However, Moore does not have the injury history of Caddy. He is expendible in Minn with both C Taylor and A Peterson. 25% of this coming to fruitation.

4) Cheap vet or cheap trade options = Kevin Barlow, Cedric Cobbs or Reuben Droughns (or 1 of the excess GB RB's).... Each offer the same marginal value, but they could be servicable RB who can grind out the tough yards in TB. 12% here.

5) Priest Holmes - while this would be an interesting story, KC needs help with Offense and can not afford to give away a potential lead RB. LJ signed his $$$ contract and they need him there to push each other. Priest might not have the major cap $, he is still a Cheif at heart. I don't know if he would accept a trade (or he would retire?). 5%

6) They try all of the above options. They need to hold the division, not win all their games. Their remaining schedule is not too tough. Tenn & Jax are the only real challenge. 25% here.

Their schedule:

Oct 14 Tennessee 1:00pm

Oct 21 @Detroit 1:00pm

Oct 28 Jacksonville 4:05pm

Nov 4 Arizona 1:00pm

Week 10 BYE

Nov 18 @Atlanta 1:00pm

Nov 25 Washington 1:00pm

Dec 2 @New Orleans 1:00pm

Dec 9 @Houston 1:00pm

Dec 16 Atlanta 1:00pm

Dec 23 @San Francisco 8:15pm

Dec 30 Carolina 1:00pm

10-6 is very realistic with their schedule. They only need servicable RB options.

I don't see a clear winner here.

 
Birdie048 said:
Well, this is an interesting thread in that there are multiple possibilities for the TB Running Back situation. My view encompasses a few ideas and some thoughts on each:1) Earnest Graham has the opportunity - the ball is in his hands to see if he can handle the job. I see him as a marginal RB3 in terms of fantasy production. Not much different from Tenn RB Chris Brown - a good game every 7 weeks separated by slight productions days. IMO, 30% of holding the job.2) Corey Dillon already said NO to TB. He is in shape and has been working out waiting for just such a phone call. TB is 3-2 and tied for the division lead. They are in contention, but must not have made him a decent offer. Vet min? If they opt to up the ante, maybe he will reconsider the visit south. 3% of him going there. 3) Mewelde Moore traded to TB for a 6th round pick, conditional for a 5th rounder based on playing time/performance. Moore (Height/Weight: 5-11/212) is a nice Caddy replacement with good hands. (Caddy= Height/Weight: 5-11/217). While 4 months younger, Moore has an extra year of NFL experience. However, Moore does not have the injury history of Caddy. He is expendible in Minn with both C Taylor and A Peterson. 25% of this coming to fruitation.4) Cheap vet or cheap trade options = Kevin Barlow, Cedric Cobbs or Reuben Droughns (or 1 of the excess GB RB's).... Each offer the same marginal value, but they could be servicable RB who can grind out the tough yards in TB. 12% here.5) Priest Holmes - while this would be an interesting story, KC needs help with Offense and can not afford to give away a potential lead RB. LJ signed his $$$ contract and they need him there to push each other. Priest might not have the major cap $, he is still a Cheif at heart. I don't know if he would accept a trade (or he would retire?). 5%6) They try all of the above options. They need to hold the division, not win all their games. Their remaining schedule is not too tough. Tenn & Jax are the only real challenge. 25% here. Their schedule:Oct 14 Tennessee 1:00pm Oct 21 @Detroit 1:00pm Oct 28 Jacksonville 4:05pm Nov 4 Arizona 1:00pm Week 10 BYE Nov 18 @Atlanta 1:00pm Nov 25 Washington 1:00pm Dec 2 @New Orleans 1:00pm Dec 9 @Houston 1:00pm Dec 16 Atlanta 1:00pm Dec 23 @San Francisco 8:15pm Dec 30 Carolina 1:00pm 10-6 is very realistic with their schedule. They only need servicable RB options. I don't see a clear winner here.
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:thumbup: Well thought out... Thanks Birdie.
 
ctdub said:
What about Domanick Williams (formerly Domanick Davis)?He's young by rb standards 27 yrs. Had a couple decent seasons with Houston. Does anybody have info on his injury from last year?
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He's actually walking without knees.This in itself is quite a feat.I believe his career is ovah.
 
DaddyFatSacks said:
Rotoworld just reported that the Bucs maybe interested in LaBrandon Toefield.
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I think someone like this bodes well for Graham's chances to keep the job unless he's absolutely pathetic. Toefield isn't a starter in my opinion. He's a change-of-pace guy. If the Bucs traded for a guy like Moore I think that changes the situation entirely because Moore is a very good third-down RB but he's also proven he can produce at a high level as a starter as well.
 
packersfan said:
DaddyFatSacks said:
Rotoworld just reported that the Bucs maybe interested in LaBrandon Toefield.
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I think someone like this bodes well for Graham's chances to keep the job unless he's absolutely pathetic. Toefield isn't a starter in my opinion. He's a change-of-pace guy. If the Bucs traded for a guy like Moore I think that changes the situation entirely because Moore is a very good third-down RB but he's also proven he can produce at a high level as a starter as well.
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Agreed. I see this as a very realistic move for the Bucs, aqcuiring Moore in my opinion isn't as realistic due to his price tag. Toefield offers them depth and "if" Graham went down he is a servicable back. One other factor is that Pittman will be back and Caddy is back next year, what would they do with Moore at the end of the season?
 
Soon, there will be cited "sources" listing every RB mentioned in this thread. These reports seem to be little more than the same speculation that all of us nonprofessionals engage in on this message board.

So far, we've got:

Droughns, Moore, Toefield, Turner, Bell, Priest, Ricky, Domanick, Chester Taylor

why not add Ron Dayne, Chris Perry, and Michael Bush to the mix?

 
via rotoworld

"Ciatrick Fason-RB-Vikings Oct. 9 - 6:09 pm et

Buccaneers worked out running backs Ciatrick Fason, Kevan Barlow, Shaud Williams and Tony Fisher on Monday.

Buccaneer's GM Bruce Allen said the team would "likely" sign one of the four. We suspect Fason or Barlow has the best shot, but neither should even be considered until a move becomes official, if at all. "

I'm assuming Eric Shelton was too busy. Why not just bring back Erict Rhett or Rabih Abdullah if you want guys that'll average <3 yards/carry??

 
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Bears_Man2 said:
via rotoworld"Ciatrick Fason-RB-Vikings Oct. 9 - 6:09 pm et Buccaneers worked out running backs Ciatrick Fason, Kevan Barlow, Shaud Williams and Tony Fisher on Monday.Buccaneer's GM Bruce Allen said the team would "likely" sign one of the four. We suspect Fason or Barlow has the best shot, but neither should even be considered until a move becomes official, if at all. "I'm assuming Eric Shelton was too busy. Why not just bring back Erict Rhett or Rabih Abdullah if you want guys that'll average <3 yards/carry??
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Interesting. And if any of them are signed, you'd have to assume that they'd become RB3, right?
 
fflnut said:
Bears_Man2 said:
via rotoworld"Ciatrick Fason-RB-Vikings Oct. 9 - 6:09 pm et Buccaneers worked out running backs Ciatrick Fason, Kevan Barlow, Shaud Williams and Tony Fisher on Monday.Buccaneer's GM Bruce Allen said the team would "likely" sign one of the four. We suspect Fason or Barlow has the best shot, but neither should even be considered until a move becomes official, if at all. "I'm assuming Eric Shelton was too busy. Why not just bring back Erict Rhett or Rabih Abdullah if you want guys that'll average <3 yards/carry??
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Interesting. And if any of them are signed, you'd have to assume that they'd become RB3, right?
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I'd assume that, yes. They are unaspiring options to say the least.
 
Bears_Man2 said:
fflnut said:
Bears_Man2 said:
via rotoworld"Ciatrick Fason-RB-Vikings Oct. 9 - 6:09 pm et Buccaneers worked out running backs Ciatrick Fason, Kevan Barlow, Shaud Williams and Tony Fisher on Monday.Buccaneer's GM Bruce Allen said the team would "likely" sign one of the four. We suspect Fason or Barlow has the best shot, but neither should even be considered until a move becomes official, if at all. "I'm assuming Eric Shelton was too busy. Why not just bring back Erict Rhett or Rabih Abdullah if you want guys that'll average <3 yards/carry??
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Interesting. And if any of them are signed, you'd have to assume that they'd become RB3, right?
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I'd assume that, yes. They are unaspiring options to say the least.
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Unaspiring? Maybe. Maybe not. I see Fason as the best potential of that group. For some strange reason, he was #2 in Minn last year over M Moore. I don't know why he was displaced this season over M Moore, but with A Peterson #1A there now, there were too many RB's to keep. I liked Fason last year.Since Minn wanted a 3rd round pick for M Moore, TB backed off (but that was before Pittman went down too). Fason was a a 4th round pick from Florida. He had the size (6' 215 lb) and speed (4.56 IIRC) to be a servicable change of pace RB. I think for the price, TB will go Fason over M Moore. Same offensive background. Similair skill set. No real injury issues. Can get him for a 1 yr cheap fill-in role. If he signs this week, he could be RBBC by Week 9 with some limited value. RB#5
 
Don't know if anyone else saw NFL Live today....they were talking about the Bucs really wanting M Moore, but not wanting to pay the price tag, then Len P said, given their situation, they'll have to make a deal soon.....not sure if he was referring to a deal for Moore or just a deal in general, though....sounded like it was Moore, but I wasn't sure how to interpret the comment.......a lot of help I am, right? :goodposting:

 
FFChick32 said:
Don't know if anyone else saw NFL Live today....they were talking about the Bucs really wanting M Moore, but not wanting to pay the price tag, then Len P said, given their situation, they'll have to make a deal soon.....not sure if he was referring to a deal for Moore or just a deal in general, though....sounded like it was Moore, but I wasn't sure how to interpret the comment.......a lot of help I am, right? :blackdot:
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Moore is by far the best option available in my opinion and he would be a very strong upgrade for the Bucs. As I posted before he'd be no worse than the third-down RB and at best he'd assume the starting job over Graham. I think if the Bucs offered a fifth-round pick with the condition it would be upgraded to a fourth depending on playing time and production a deal would get done. The Vikings would have to seriously consider it because they risk losing Moore in the offseason for nothing as a free agent. It works for the Bucs because they have a legitimate chance to contend in a wide-open NFC so they might as well take a shot this season even if Moore decides to leave in 2008. The primary concern the Vikings have is that there is a feeling internally that Moore is a good safety net because of the durability concerns surrounding both Peterson and Taylor. However, they're not going anywhere due to their putrid QB situation so I think they need to maximize player value as best they can and get something for Moore since he clearly isn't in their long-term plans.
 
Latest update from RotoWorld. I'd say this is very good news for Graham. He should get every chance to be the main guy now for the rest of the season. Whether he can deliver is the question.

ESPN reports the Bucs are likely to re-sign free agent RB Lionel Gates.

Gates was with Tampa Bay last year on the practice squad and during 2007 training camp. He'd be of little threat to current starter Earnest Graham.

 
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