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Donald Driver' stock falling (1 Viewer)

yinzer

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Favre's is having a great year and we all know he'll be healthy so its very likely he continues this pace.

However, he probably has the best receiving corps since a prime Freeman and Robert Brooks, and possibly the deepest he's ever had

Driver - 31/374/2

Jennings - 11/208/3

Jones - 23/293/1

Total Targets:

Driver - 48 (RZ 7)

Jones - 36 (RZ 7)

Jennings - 17 (RZ 2)

Lee&Franks - 25 each (RZ 7 total)

Also, Driver and Jones have both had 24 targets the last 3 weeks, with Jennings getting all 17 of his the last 3 weeks. So Favre seems to be looking for J&J even more as the season goes on.

Most of us know Jennings was emerging last year before an ankle/knee? injury sidelined him or made him ineffective for basically the last 3/4 of the season. Jones was a hot pick in the preseason and with the numbers and distribution Favre has been providing, Jones I would say has probably exceeded expectations at this early point.

With all the love that J&J are getting from Favre, I don't think Driver puts up #1 WR numbers like most expected when drafting him this year. Jennings and Jones both look faster and have gotten all the long TDs this year. You'd expect Driver to get 2-3 of those a year, but Im not sure that will happen this year, he's also been playing in the slot a lot more due to this.

I'm not saying he's going to be bad, he's currently WR14 in my league and 5th in WR/TE targets, but I think by seasons end he's more in the WR20-22 range with a lot more looks, yards, and TDs going Jennings and Jones than Driver has had to deal with in previous years.

 
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He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.

 
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
 
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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I think Jennings is more explosive than Driver for certain. Driver is a good receiver. Jennings could be a great one.
 
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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I agree Driver is still the best WR their, just look at the 2 fumbles Jones had sunday night, that wouldn't happen to an experienced Driver.I just think Favre knows he has 3 good WR's and trusts their ability, unlike the last 5 years where Driver has had some big numbers as really Favre's only option.He's playing slot more and not running the deep routes. Those are going to Jones and even moreso to Jennings.He'll get his, but I think that 7 TDs might be his ceiling since all but maybe 1 look to come in the red zone, and over 1000 yards could be a struggle as the year progresses with all the deep slants, crosses, and go's the other 2 are running, *converting*, and accumulating a lot of yards with. Those used to be Driver's routes
 
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yinzer said:
Favre's is having a great year and we all know he'll be healthy so its very likely he continues this pace.However, he probably has the best receiving corps since a prime Freeman and Robert Brooks, and possibly the deepest he's ever hadDriver - 31/374/2Jennings - 11/208/3Jones - 23/293/1Total Targets:Driver - 48 (RZ 7)Jones - 36 (RZ 7)Jennings - 17 (RZ 2)Lee&Franks - 25 each (RZ 7 total)Also, Driver and Jones have both had 24 targets the last 3 weeks, with Jennings getting all 17 of his the last 3 weeks. So Favre seems to be looking for J&J even more as the season goes on.Most of us know Jennings was emerging last year before an ankle/knee? injury sidelined him or made him ineffective for basically the last 3/4 of the season. Jones was a hot pick in the preseason and with the numbers and distribution Favre has been providing, Jones I would say has probably exceeded expectations at this early point.With all the love that J&J are getting from Favre, I don't think Driver puts up #1 WR numbers like most expected when drafting him this year. Jennings and Jones both look faster and have gotten all the long TDs this year. You'd expect Driver to get 2-3 of those a year, but Im not sure that will happen this year, he's also been playing in the slot a lot more due to this.I'm not saying he's going to be bad, he's currently WR14 in my league and 5th in WR/TE targets, but I think by seasons end he's more in the WR20-22 range with a lot more looks, yards, and TDs going Jennings and Jones than Driver has had to deal with in previous years.
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So his stock is falling yet he leads that team in receptions and targets. (which after the 2 fumbles will most likely increase for Driver as a big thing with Favre has always been trust).Jenning will probably get the longer TDs...but how much longer do you think Favre will even look to Jones in the redzone after putting it on the grass twice?
 
A post like this reminds me of why I always end up either drafting Driver two rounds later than he should go, or trade for him during the year.

If consensus is that Driver's stock is falling, by all means, by low.

 
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So his stock is falling yet he leads that team in receptions and targets. (which after the 2 fumbles will most likely increase for Driver as a big thing with Favre has always been trust).

Jenning will probably get the longer TDs...but how much longer do you think Favre will even look to Jones in the redzone after putting it on the grass twice?
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Actually that may be the only time he looks for Jones because once you come down with it (in the endzone), they can strip it all they want becasue it's already a TD.
 
Koya said:
A post like this reminds me of why I always end up either drafting Driver two rounds later than he should go, or trade for him during the year.If consensus is that Driver's stock is falling, by all means, by low.
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He's easily one of the more under-rated WRs in the league and without question in many fantasy leagues. I wish I could deal for him in my league but the Driver owner is too smart to deal him without getting quality value in return.
 
I have one of these three on 75% of my teams this year. I think Driver is still the guy to own...but Jennings and Jones are going to be very good flex most times...and decent WR2 spot starts. Unless the Jones fumble problems become chronic, I think he's got to be in the mix. Driver and Jennings can run away from defenders...but Jones looks like he can run 'over' defenders. I would not be surprised to see him become more involved in the red zone.

Driver top 12...Jennings / Jones 25-35.

 
Jones hasnt been consistent and his 2 turnovers cost the Pack the game last week. Favre isnt going to like that.

Jennings is very explosive, most people don't realize how fast he is in pads, if gets out front- he's gone and he is more fundamentally sound than Jones right now, which is to be expected since he's a rook.

Driver is still the best receiver on the team, just that he's no longer the only one. Jennings was emerging as the deep threat prior to last years ankle injury. However, Driver is the best route runner and has the best hands on the team. I view Driver same as Lavernius Coles, you know where the floor is- they are very reliable and consistent, with big game potential every week and both are extremely valuable in ppr leagues because you know they'll get theirs.

 
As a Driver owner, I'm confident he'll remain the WR1 & get the most targets, but Jones/Jennings are worrying me. They are both more explosive than Driver & see a lot more mismatches in the secondary. They'll get the big plays & Driver will get more catches.

I see:

Driver- 90, 1100, 8 TDs

Jennings- 60, 750, 7 TDs

Jones- 55, 600, 5 TDs

Something to consider- I was a Jennings owner last year & he looked like he might be overtaking Driver (Fantasy-wise) at about this point in the season. Then he got the ankle injury, and we all know what the rest of his season looked like.

 
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
 
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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Jennings: 53 catches for 920 yds, 12 TDsDriver: 82 catches for 1082 yds, 2 TDspackerfan was right - Driver was the top target in Green Bay. you were right - Jennings finished with more fantasy points. but TDs are highly volatile....hard to say that Jennings is a far superior player when Driver had 29 more catches and 162 more yards.
 
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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I'm sure you've never been wrong about anything in FF, right, so you felt the need to pull an "I told you so". Well done. :thumbdown:
 
With threads 6 mo. old, if you bump to brag, you better be 100% correct.

That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.

 
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Michael J Fox said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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Jennings: 53 catches for 920 yds, 12 TDsDriver: 82 catches for 1082 yds, 2 TDs

packerfan was right - Driver was the top target in Green Bay.

you were right - Jennings finished with more fantasy points. but TDs are highly volatile....hard to say that Jennings is a far superior player when Driver had 29 more catches and 162 more yards.
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:unsure: Ouch, that'll leave a mark.

 
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With threads 6 mo. old, if you bump to brag, you better be 100% correct.

That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Jennings is likely a better option - but it's a huge stretch to say that Jones is. Jones faded badly the 2nd half of the season, and he isn't nearly as solid a route runner as Driver. It is, however, sensible to assume that Driver will suffer from Favre's retirement.Jones 2007 stats

1st half of season: 29 catches, 432 yards, 2 TDs

2nd half of season: 18 catches, 244 yards, 0 TDs

 
Michael J Fox said:
Marc Levin said:
With threads 6 mo. old, if you bump to brag, you better be 100% correct.

That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Jennings is likely a better option - but it's a huge stretch to say that Jones is. Jones faded badly the 2nd half of the season, and he isn't nearly as solid a route runner as Driver. It is, however, sensible to assume that Driver will suffer from Favre's retirement.Jones 2007 stats

1st half of season: 29 catches, 432 yards, 2 TDs

2nd half of season: 18 catches, 244 yards, 0 TDs
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Jones hit the proverbial rookie wall. A years more experience and preparation for the long season will help him a lot.
 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Michael J Fox said:
Marc Levin said:
With threads 6 mo. old, if you bump to brag, you better be 100% correct.

That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Jennings is likely a better option - but it's a huge stretch to say that Jones is. Jones faded badly the 2nd half of the season, and he isn't nearly as solid a route runner as Driver. It is, however, sensible to assume that Driver will suffer from Favre's retirement.Jones 2007 stats

1st half of season: 29 catches, 432 yards, 2 TDs

2nd half of season: 18 catches, 244 yards, 0 TDs
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Jones hit the proverbial rookie wall. A years more experience and preparation for the long season will help him a lot.
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No doubt. I still expect his upside to be what he did in the 1st half of '07. (projected out for a full year = ~55 catches, 850 yds, 4-5 TDs) He's not taking over for Driver until 2009 or 2010.
 
Michael J Fox said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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Jennings: 53 catches for 920 yds, 12 TDsDriver: 82 catches for 1082 yds, 2 TDspackerfan was right - Driver was the top target in Green Bay. you were right - Jennings finished with more fantasy points. but TDs are highly volatile....hard to say that Jennings is a far superior player when Driver had 29 more catches and 162 more yards.
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I never said he was far superior. I said he might be better right now. He finished 12th in FPPG, while Driver was like 30th.
 
Riffraff said:
Michael J Fox said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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Jennings: 53 catches for 920 yds, 12 TDsDriver: 82 catches for 1082 yds, 2 TDs

packerfan was right - Driver was the top target in Green Bay.

you were right - Jennings finished with more fantasy points. but TDs are highly volatile....hard to say that Jennings is a far superior player when Driver had 29 more catches and 162 more yards.
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:lmao: Ouch, that'll leave a mark.
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Not really. I was right in saying Jennings might be better right now. That Driver did less on way more targets only underscores my point.
 
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Not really. I was right in saying Jennings might be better right now. That Driver did less on way more targets only underscores my point.
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Just had to admit being wrong last year, but might be right this year. But ego is getting in the way.Reminds me of the Sam Kinison skit about Kadafi's line of death.Kadafi draws a line on the sand and says "cross this line of death and you will die."Americans cross the line. Kadafi steps back and draws another line, "THIS is the line of death. Cross it and you'll die."Americans step over that line too.Kadafi goes in his house and says "If you knock on my front door, I won't come out."Sabertooth is that way with his "better right now" comments. He keeps drawing lines in the sand. First line was in October, next line is in April. Will he hide behind his door next?
 
Michael J Fox said:
Marc Levin said:
With threads 6 mo. old, if you bump to brag, you better be 100% correct.That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Jennings is likely a better option - but it's a huge stretch to say that Jones is.
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Value versus likely draft position, Jones will be a better option this year (IMNSHO, and YMMV)
 
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Riffraff said:
Michael J Fox said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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Jennings: 53 catches for 920 yds, 12 TDsDriver: 82 catches for 1082 yds, 2 TDs

packerfan was right - Driver was the top target in Green Bay.

you were right - Jennings finished with more fantasy points. but TDs are highly volatile....hard to say that Jennings is a far superior player when Driver had 29 more catches and 162 more yards.
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:bag: Ouch, that'll leave a mark.
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FWIWJennings did have 29 less REC and 162 less yards, BUT he also had 2 less games played then Driver

 
I like Jennings but I am concerned that he had 6 TD catches over 40 yards(364 yards for those 6 TD's) accounting for about 40% of his total yards and 50% of his TD's. My concern is Favre was fearless to throw those long bombs and Rodgers may not be as brave. In PPR obviously long term Jennings should be better but short term Driver could be better value.

 
I am getting the reaction in my dynasty leagues that many owners are starting to de-value Driver with Favre retired and his age. Anyone else see this happening in their leagues, too?

What rookie pick is he worth?

What WRs would you put in the same tier for dynasty?

 
Marc Levin said:
Michael J Fox said:
Marc Levin said:
With threads 6 mo. old, if you bump to brag, you better be 100% correct.That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Jennings is likely a better option - but it's a huge stretch to say that Jones is.
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Value versus likely draft position, Jones will be a better option this year (IMNSHO, and YMMV)
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Got it, fair enough. Depends on what Driver's ADP is....right now, he seems to be marked down due to Favre's departure - just not clear how far his value has dropped.
 
Rockchild said:
I like Jennings but I am concerned that he had 6 TD catches over 40 yards(364 yards for those 6 TD's) accounting for about 40% of his total yards and 50% of his TD's. My concern is Favre was fearless to throw those long bombs and Rodgers may not be as brave. In PPR obviously long term Jennings should be better but short term Driver could be better value.
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I know its a small sample size, but when Rodgers came in for Favre, Rodgers targeted him 7 times, and he caught 5 which was tied for 4th most for the year.
 
Sabertooth said:
Michael J Fox said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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Jennings: 53 catches for 920 yds, 12 TDsDriver: 82 catches for 1082 yds, 2 TDspackerfan was right - Driver was the top target in Green Bay. you were right - Jennings finished with more fantasy points. but TDs are highly volatile....hard to say that Jennings is a far superior player when Driver had 29 more catches and 162 more yards.
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I never said he was far superior. I said he might be better right now. He finished 12th in FPPG, while Driver was like 30th.
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Yeah, and then you bumped the thread to say you "had him dead to rights". Not exactly. Jennings had a ton of long TDs...and Driver had an unusually low TD-to-reception ratio. I write that off partly to statistical variance.
 
Marc Levin said:
That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Well, I think I can see this as coming down two different ways.Not a fan of the terms, but in "shark" leagues I think Driver could be a value play.In "guppy" leagues, he's likely to go too early based on name recognition.The real question is - at what point does he become a good value play? WR15? WR20? WR25? WR30? higher?I have his ADP from the PDSLs, but I'll wait to see what the consensus is here first.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Marc Levin said:
That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Well, I think I can see this as coming down two different ways.Not a fan of the terms, but in "shark" leagues I think Driver could be a value play.In "guppy" leagues, he's likely to go too early based on name recognition.The real question is - at what point does he become a good value play? WR15? WR20? WR25? WR30? higher?I have his ADP from the PDSLs, but I'll wait to see what the consensus is here first.
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If Driver ends up in the WR 15-20 range drafted?he'll be on every team I have...The Packers WRs are interchangeable catch/target wise. TDs are a different story.I'll live with 6-8 from Driver with the catches and yardage he puts up, even as 1B.ETA: Driver: 122 Targets Jennings 84 Driver: 82 Rec Jennings 54TDs seperate them, and I see no reason why Jennings fluky TDs at times outweigh the obvious that Drver is prefered as the main target.I DID own jennings in a number of leagues in 2007.
 
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softball said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Marc Levin said:
That said, Jennings/Jones are probably better options this year - especially Jennings. Much of Driver's target consistency was Favre's faith in his hands and ability to put unique passes in right on those hands. With Rogers, I have the feeling Driver will fade to 2nd option rather than 1b. And I believe he will be an overvalued WR in redraft leagues this year.
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Well, I think I can see this as coming down two different ways.Not a fan of the terms, but in "shark" leagues I think Driver could be a value play.In "guppy" leagues, he's likely to go too early based on name recognition.The real question is - at what point does he become a good value play? WR15? WR20? WR25? WR30? higher?I have his ADP from the PDSLs, but I'll wait to see what the consensus is here first.
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If Driver ends up in the WR 15-20 range drafted?he'll be on every team I have...The Packers WRs are interchangeable catch/target wise. TDs are a different story.I'll live with 6-8 from Driver with the catches and yardage he puts up, even as 1B.
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I can see that Driver is going to be a very interesting WR to discuss this year.
 
I've been a big Driver fan for the last few years and have owned him in multiple leagues for the last 3. He's always produced low-end WR1 #'s at a WR2 price.

That being said, I will probably be avoiding him unless he drop past WR20 or so in a redraft this year and I won't be actively planning on getting him as I have in years past.

I agree that he's going to be very interesting and I think preseason is going to influence a lot of how I approach as it comes closer to redraft time.

 
Having watched all of Jennings TDs this past season, it is inaccurate to say that Favre's bombs created many of them. Jennings created most of them by catching short to medium passes and taking them the distance.

One of Favre's biggest weaknesses throughout his career was the long bomb. He just wasn't any better than average at them. It's quite possible that Rodgers could be better than Favre was at the deep ball.

Finally, while I do realize that TDs are highly unpredictable from year to year, but Jennings is a very good redzone WR. He's very good at creating space for himself, and juking DBs.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
Having watched all of Jennings TDs this past season, it is inaccurate to say that Favre's bombs created many of them. Jennings created most of them by catching short to medium passes and taking them the distance. One of Favre's biggest weaknesses throughout his career was the long bomb. He just wasn't any better than average at them. It's quite possible that Rodgers could be better than Favre was at the deep ball. Finally, while I do realize that TDs are highly unpredictable from year to year, but Jennings is a very good redzone WR. He's very good at creating space for himself, and juking DBs.
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Jennings is definitely the real deal. He looks great - the Pack is lucky to have him. The success of Jennings and Driver will depend in large part on how consistent Rodgers is as a starter...and if he stays healthy.
 
Kitrick Taylor said:
Having watched all of Jennings TDs this past season, it is inaccurate to say that Favre's bombs created many of them. Jennings created most of them by catching short to medium passes and taking them the distance.

One of Favre's biggest weaknesses throughout his career was the long bomb. He just wasn't any better than average at them. It's quite possible that Rodgers could be better than Favre was at the deep ball.

Finally, while I do realize that TDs are highly unpredictable from year to year, but Jennings is a very good redzone WR. He's very good at creating space for himself, and juking DBs.
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Uh huh. He's very quick in close and hard to tackle. He isn't supposed to have speed but is very hard to catch. Watch the game with Aaron Rodgers.
 
Riffraff said:
Sabertooth said:
Not really. I was right in saying Jennings might be better right now. That Driver did less on way more targets only underscores my point.
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Just had to admit being wrong last year, but might be right this year. But ego is getting in the way.Reminds me of the Sam Kinison skit about Kadafi's line of death.Kadafi draws a line on the sand and says "cross this line of death and you will die."Americans cross the line. Kadafi steps back and draws another line, "THIS is the line of death. Cross it and you'll die."Americans step over that line too.Kadafi goes in his house and says "If you knock on my front door, I won't come out."Sabertooth is that way with his "better right now" comments. He keeps drawing lines in the sand. First line was in October, next line is in April. Will he hide behind his door next?
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Better right now is in terms of fantasy production. I see it as they stacked up like this:
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12 Greg Jennings GB 24 2 0 0 0 53 920 12 [b]164[/b] 47 30 Donald Driver GB 32 9 2 4 0 82 1048 2 [b]117[/b] 0
I never said that Driver wasn't a good player. I said he might be better right now (October of 2007). He clearly showed that he was the better fantasy receiver last season by a good margin. Maybe everyone on here plays in yardage only PPR leagues that don't count touchdowns. I don't know. But it is pretty clear to me that Jennings was the superior player, both on the field and on FFL rosters.I don't understant the hate here to be honest. I guess that is what the shark pool is coming to these days. Just a bunch of people bagging on other people. Packfan was the one that started to talk about being Favre's favorite target and all that. I was talking simply from a skill and production standpoint. That he put the straw man out there that I wasn't even talking about doesn't make me wrong. :blackdot:
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
in "shark" leagues I think Driver could be a value play.In "guppy" leagues, he's likely to go too early based on name recognition.
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Good point, Jeff. I think this is probably accurate. By the same logic, Jennings may very well be overvalued this year in shark leagues. I have noticed that as sharks overly devalue veteran WRs, sharks also over value rising WR talents - happened with Driver a couple years ago when Walker was rising, Bruce and Ward were nice value picks when folks jumped on Holt and Burress as rising stars.It is not an indictment of picking out the rising young talent. We should do that. But, sharks need to watch out for overly devaluing the veteran across from the rising star.Good point, though, that you have to "rate your draft" as well as you rate your value plays.
 
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Kitrick Taylor said:
Having watched all of Jennings TDs this past season, it is inaccurate to say that Favre's bombs created many of them. Jennings created most of them by catching short to medium passes and taking them the distance.
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;) Am I right in thinking that the Packers lead the league in Yards After Catch? I'd suggest that Jenning made a large contribution to that statisitc if it's accurate.In my mind, Driver will be "safe" pick in the WR15-20 range. Jennings will have the higher ceiling and will command a WR10-15 ranking.
 
Sabertooth said:
Marc Levin said:
Sabertooth said:
Thanks for playing!
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I think your comment above explains the attitude from folks.
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I don't understant the hate here to be honest. I guess that is what the shark pool is coming to these days. Just a bunch of people bagging on other people.
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Thanks. People need to relax a little bit. We are not solving the world's problems here.
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Clearly not. ;)But it's an interesting debate that should carry over into 2008 -- who has better value this year, Jennings or Driver? I love Jennings....but also wonder if he can continue to have a high TD-receptions ratio. Or if we should expect him to get a higher share of targets this year? Or keep up his high ypc average?
 
bcr8f said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
Having watched all of Jennings TDs this past season, it is inaccurate to say that Favre's bombs created many of them. Jennings created most of them by catching short to medium passes and taking them the distance.

One of Favre's biggest weaknesses throughout his career was the long bomb. He just wasn't any better than average at them. It's quite possible that Rodgers could be better than Favre was at the deep ball.

Finally, while I do realize that TDs are highly unpredictable from year to year, but Jennings is a very good redzone WR. He's very good at creating space for himself, and juking DBs.
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Uh huh. He's very quick in close and hard to tackle. He isn't supposed to have speed but is very hard to catch. Watch the game with Aaron Rodgers.
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Thank you for posting this. What I think is happening to Jennings is that he is starting to be undervalued. Touchdowns aside, people act like Jennings, going into his 3rd year has peaked. From what I have seen of Jennings so far in his career is he has the ability to get open and create space for himself when he gets the ball. It all comes down to Aaron Rodgers and there is a possibility that Jennings will be his go to guy.

 
Just like to post that I was only chiding another Packer backer a little bit. Didn't mean to tick anyone off and I wanted to bump the thread because this is an interesting thing this season. It is kind of like:



Reggie Wayne vs. Marvin Harrison LITE

 
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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What are you? 9?
 
Moe Green said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
Sabertooth said:
packersfan said:
He'll finish Top 15 with an outside shot at Top 10. He's still Favre's top target and the best WR on the team. He'll get his as the season goes along.
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I disagree and agree more with the OP. Jennings might be better than Driver already.
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No he isn't. Jennings is a good young WR but he's not as good as Driver. Driver is still Favre's No. 1 WR and he's still the top target in the passing game. That isn't going to change. Driver will get his as the season goes on. Of that I'm quite confident.
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Looks like I had you dead to rights on this one. Not only is Jennings the better player, he's the younger player and better fantasy option. And he was when this was posted as well. Thanks for playing!
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What are you? 9?
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