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RUMOR: Sammy Morris has a broken arm (1 Viewer)
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Thanks. I've heard collarbone too. We'll know soon enough for sure.J
jeter23
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ThePittbully
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That sound you hear is the Maroney's value shooting through the roof
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Jimmy James
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Yes.What pains me about the success of New England this year is that I love seeing guys like Sammy Morris and Wes Welker doing so well. I still don't understand why those guys were not valued by the Dolphins.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
It was not that they were not valued.Fins got a 2nd round pick (Samson Satele - starting C), and a 7th round pick (Brandon Fields - starting P) for Welker, who had 2 TD in 3 seasons with them. The Fins, and their fans loved Welker, but that offer was too good for a building team. Also, the fact that N.E. made the contract unmatchable played a role. It looks like a good trade for both sides. Miami needed a lot of help on the OL, and Satele has been awesome since week 2.
With the way Ronnie is running right now, Sammie Morris would not even be seeing the field. RB is pretty much Miami's only non-weakness.
Borat
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He'd be stepping into the same role that he vacated.
BoltBacker
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Then why did the sound come from the basement?
Thunderchicken
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Skanker
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
<------ Maroney Owner
mad sweeney
Footballguy
An underrated runner and great goalline option. Also has some nice hands and speed. A good "secret" weapon. If Morris is out I can see Evans even getting some carries spelling Maroney. He filled in at RB last year I believe and did all right in there with Faulk. I liked him as a Seahawk and was sorry to see him go, one of those great role player guys, played at TE, FB, HB.
BoltBacker
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I don't understand this reaction.Do you think that Maroney was held out of the lineup becausea) he's hurt and BB didn't see the need to play himorb) Sammy Morris is a better playerIf the answer is a) then why does BB feel compelled to play him because Morris gets hurt? NE already has more wins than anybody in the conference and other than the IND game it looks like NE could run the table even if Faulk/Evans are the backs. Why would BB rush him back before the playoffs until he's 100% healthy?I assume if you own Maroney you don't and never have believed b), though it might not be as easy to replicate Morris's production as some are expecting. Morris was really rolling with nearly 5y/c.<------ Maroney Owner
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[scooter]
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c) Maroney is not hurt and BB was just saving him.I don't understand this reaction.Do you think that Maroney was held out of the lineup becausea) he's hurt and BB didn't see the need to play himorb) Sammy Morris is a better player<------ Maroney Owner
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I think anyone who thinks Maroney is/was not actually hurt are only fooling themselves.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I agree with this.The only solace a Maroney owner can take here is that when Maroney comes back, he won't be losing touches to Morris. That should be good news - but Maroney has to get healthy first.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
They're both great role players, but they're role players for a reason. And what often goes unnoticed about role players is that they're much more valuable on winning teams (same goes for baseball & basketball). Rebuilding teams need young, superstar potential talent...not role players. Guys like Moss, Brady, a great O-Line, Stallworth, Watson, great coaching, etc. afford role player the opportunity to excel in their roles. They're simply not as valuable on a rebuilding team. But they're perfect fits for the Pats, and the Pats' management deserves kudos for continually recognizing great fits.Robert Horry = as
any roleplayer to ever play sports. But, seriously, he would have been nothing without Olajuwan, Shaq, and Duncan. Superstars need role players to win, but role players need superstars even more to survive. Can you imagine an offense revolving around Horry? Or Sammy Morris and Wes Welker? Or Placido Polanco in baseball? Not good.Role players need to be surrounded by talented teammates. Talented players need to be surrounded by great roleplayers. But it's the talent that's more important. You don't see NFL teams grabbing role players with 1st round picks.
Why would anybody ever think Maroney would be benched just because of sammys play?...
Maroney is a great player to have on the field... and as a coach you want all your weapons out there. Maroney might have been ready to go, but they were probably just holding off until he was 100%. I agree that they might have held off just because morris was playing good so there was no rush... but maroney is no liability on the grid iron.. and now maroney will probably be rushed back, he will probably start next week and carry a full load.
Maroney is a great player to have on the field... and as a coach you want all your weapons out there. Maroney might have been ready to go, but they were probably just holding off until he was 100%. I agree that they might have held off just because morris was playing good so there was no rush... but maroney is no liability on the grid iron.. and now maroney will probably be rushed back, he will probably start next week and carry a full load.
bonesman
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if a full load is 15-20 carries.Faulk and Evans will get 10-15 between them if Morris misses time.
And prove he can handle it which unfortunately seems to be a real valid question.As a Pats fan, I'm totally comfy with Faulk on 3rd and Evans as an occasional brute. I'm not comfy with just those 2. There's a long way to go in this season.Dillon asked for his release. I'm not sure he's even a possibility. One has to wonder where that would fit in with their team first attitude that's so strong.Patrick Pass was not re-signed IIRC. He looked real good in Houston (even started) but for some reason was cut. I figure he's available but he's always been useful not an 18 carry guy.Eckel....I don't think too much of as a RB.4 weeks, they can tough it out waiting for Sammy. Longer, and I hope they get someone else. The trade deadline is in a day so it better be quick if they're going to. Us FF folks usually hope for these things and they never happen though.If I had to pick someone that could reasonably be acquired(not too too much offerred, has some idea of their O) it's probably Reuben Droughns after his time in Cleveland with Romeo. Who knows if he's available, and like I said these things don't usually happen.
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David Yudkin
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I've asked about the chances of Dillon ever coming back to the Pats and was told it would never happen. Apparently there is now some bad blood between the two sides, so I don't believe this is an option unless NE ponied up some big $$$ to get him.
Neil Beaufort Zod
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Saving him for what? A game that counted? A tough contest on the road against another undefeated team? The Colts in a couple of weeks? The first round of the playoffs? The Pro Bowl?c) Maroney is not hurt and BB was just saving him.I don't understand this reaction.Do you think that Maroney was held out of the lineup becausea) he's hurt and BB didn't see the need to play himorb) Sammy Morris is a better player<------ Maroney Owner
Gopher State
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Maroney owners who are expecting 20 carries and goal line work will be disappointed, Faulk will spell Maroney, and Evans should get what ever goal line work their is (not much the way the Pats pass the ball). I don't see Maroney's value going up by more then 20-25 yards per game. But it is a move upward. I hope the injury is not season ending for Morris as he was big part of the Pats success up to this point.
trogg78
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ceo3west
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Gotta love guys like this<------ Maroney Owner
Even if Morris is out, Maroney is a glass Joe who won't approach RB1 numbers. Bottom line is that Maroney was just a bad pcik this year. Good luck with him.
Ford Prefect
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ceo3west
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At best.<------ Maroney OwnerCelebrating an injury is low class.
RC94
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At best.<------ Maroney Owner
RC94
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I read somewhere that MIN was looking for a 3rd round pick for him (from TB). I don't think a 5th (a late 5th since it's NE) will get it done.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I was celebrating the fact that maroney will get more carries....not the injury to Morris.<------ Maroney Owner
Celebrating an injury is low class.
After I pushed the reply button, the realization that New England's 5th round choice would be late popped into my head. I think NE 4th round choice would do it. There is no way, the Vikings will get a 3rd round choice for Moore and they are only kidding themselves. Not only is he being deactivated every week, he is a free agent at the end of the year.
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
They should rest Maroney again if there is even the slightest chance he is not 100%. They are playing the Dolphins next week. It doesn't matter who their RB is.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It does not matter if people celebrate or not, injuries are out of our hands..they happen. Even if there was no FF, the guy would still be injured.At best.<------ Maroney Owner
Celebrating an injury is low class.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Like many people, I'm both a Maroney AND Morris owner and this news doesn't in any way change the fact Maroney has been grossly disappointing. The silver lining, if you own both players, is that IF (a huge IF) Maroney comes back healthy, he won't run the risk of a true RBBC with Morris now. But still, the Pats are throwing with abandon (and doing it ridiculously well); and just about every RB on that roster is capable of playing a role. Maroney will still need several STRONG weeks before he sees my lineup again (barring a bye week where I have no choice obviously).
David Yudkin
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This is not the read I'm taking on this one. Even if Maroney were healthy, IMO, the other RBs on the roster will divide up what Morris was getting when he and Maroney were in the lineup.So Maroney would get his 15-18 carries a game and the "other RBs" would get 10-12. It's just a matter of how those 10-12 carries would be distruibuted.
I don't know why everyone is so down on Maroney. In his 3 games, he had:
20 for 72
15 for 77
19 for 103 (yes 100 yard game before he was out!)
He was getting almost 20 carries per game before Morris was out and his stats projected to 1344 yards this season - not too shabby for a guy everyone was down on! I think everyone as so high on Morris because he had 2 TDs in that stretch and Maroney had 0. No one should be concerned about Maroney's productivity during the time he has played so far. If Morris is out for any significant time, I would expect Maroney to be top 10 back fairly easily from here on out.
I'm hoping you think Maroney has been grossly disappointing because of his injury. If not, then if pre-season low end RB1 or high end RB2 on pace for 1344 yards rushing disappoints you, then your expectations were way too high.
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ceo3west
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Well, given the fact that he's on pace for zero TD's and zero receptions, I'd say those that spent a first round pick on him should be very disappointed. And if you think this guy will be carrying the load now that Morris is out, you can forget it. Maroney hasn't shown he can stay healthy at all. Having missed 3 games already, he'll be lucky to get 1,000 total yards this year, and that's assuming he stays healthy the rest of the year. Maroney is the Tyrone Calico of RB's - all hype with no production.
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