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How can Brady Quinn ever crack the starting lineup? (1 Viewer)
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ninjafluffer
Footballguy
Being a Cowboys homer, I thought Tono Romo's rise from nowhere last season was the closest thing to a Kurt Warner like breakthrough in quite a few years.
However, I must say, what Anderson is doing this year far and away puts Romo's season (lat year) to rest.
I think the guy is legitimate. What he's doing from a stats perspective is pretty incredible, but to be able to take what had been a historically awful team and turn them around is truly a feat.
Edwards and Winslow are good players, but the QBs they had in Cleveland over the last few seasons didn't do much for them... not this year.
If e continues playing like this, there is no way he gets traded or released. Welcome to the bench permanately, or another team, Brady Quinn.
However, I must say, what Anderson is doing this year far and away puts Romo's season (lat year) to rest.
I think the guy is legitimate. What he's doing from a stats perspective is pretty incredible, but to be able to take what had been a historically awful team and turn them around is truly a feat.
Edwards and Winslow are good players, but the QBs they had in Cleveland over the last few seasons didn't do much for them... not this year.
If e continues playing like this, there is no way he gets traded or released. Welcome to the bench permanately, or another team, Brady Quinn.
i remember when the ravens drafted him he looked good that pre-season... all the qb troubles baltimore has had, they have to be kicking themselves for letting this one get away... give phil savage some credit one this guy.. drafted him in baltimore then, made sure he brought him into cleveland
Cerwin
Footballguy
Oregon State guy here. When we had Derek Anderson at QB and Steven Jackson at RB our offense was fun to watch. We had a lot of high scoring games with those two. But we also had some lows. I hope DA can keep it up, he always had a freakin rocket for an arm. He is fun to watch when he is on fire like this.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Should be a simple matter for the Browns to recoup that 1st rounder for Quinn. Probably could get a top 10 pick for him if they play their cards right.
Please God, let there be a Vikings-Browns trade. Pretty please?
Please God, let there be a Vikings-Browns trade. Pretty please?
nxmehta
Footballguy
Sounds good to me!
Club Leftwich
Footballguy
Top 10 for a guy they drafted in the 20's? I've got news for you, most NFL GMs don't get carried away with preseason the way guys around here do. They'll end up getting a 2nd rounder at best if they move Quinn.
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
Unfortunately Cleveland traded a first and second to get Brady Quinn. Looking back we could probably use those picks alot more than Quinn, but hindsight is 20/20.
I think it depends. If they can showcase him later in the season (if they are out of the playoff hunt) or next pre-season, and even one team thinks he is franchise QB material, I wouldn't be surprised if he garners a top ten pick... top five, that might be a stretch.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If I'm a team like the VIkings, I'd rather trade a top 10 for a guy with a year of experience, even if it was on the bench than any of the guys that are likely to be one of the first three selected in the upcoming draft (Ryan, Woodson, Brohm).And, once again, the only reason that Quinn fell is because a) so few teams were looking for a QB this year and b) the Dolphins were stupid.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Shocking as it is, Cleveland is very much in the playoff hunt, looks like they'll continue to be. Aside from Pittsburgh and maybe Baltimore, the rest of their schedule is very favorable.
9 Nov 04 SEA @ CLE
10 Nov 11 CLE @ PIT
11 Nov 18 CLE @ BAL
12 Nov 25 HOU @ CLE
13 Dec 02 CLE @ ARI
14 Dec 09 CLE @ NYJ
15 Dec 16 BUF @ CLE
16 Dec 23 CLE @ CIN
17 Dec 30 SF @ CLE
to be the Browns starter solution for the next 4 years.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Not to mention they beat Baltimore the first time. The Cincy game is scary for this Browns fan.
top dog
Footballguy
I agree.. I think Quinn will be the guy either next year, or by the following year as Anderson is a RFA next year and as long as he keeps producing, will probably be the starter until he is a UFA. If Anderson keeps it up, Quinn in 2009. If he regresses, you will see Quinn in 2008.Anderson shows a lot of potential right now, but he's noto be the Browns starter solution for the next 4 years.I'm glad the Browns have Quinn, my guess is he pays off big at some point.
Irish
Footballguy
I have heard from an insider on the Browns staff that the playbook is scaled way back because Anderson just cannot comprehend it.TommyGilmore
Footballguy
And Ken Dorsey probably has the playbook memorized. :IBTL:
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Honest question: Do you really believe that you can evaluate players better than the TEAM of scouts that the Dolphins employee?And if you say "yes" than would you not agree that your advantage is negated by the fact that they have access to so much more info and private workouts and interviews than you?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Given their performance this year, I think I could.Not if they're not looking at the right things.Honestly, I"m just goofing around. So relax.I just love how a billion opinions are given around here and every now and then someone just HAS to play the "you think you know more than the professionals do?" card.Assani Fisher said:
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I think some of the posters on this board would rival the Dolphins team of scouts. What was the stat today, out of the last 65 draft picks by the Dolphins ONE has gone to the Pro-Bowl.
chris1969
Footballguy
Note to Browns, keep Anderson 50 ft from Romeo at all times.As good as DA has been, he has some obvious limitations.1) He doesn't comprehend the whole offense. (but he's getting better.)2) He doesn't make reads very well at the LOS. (but he's getting better.)3) He locks on the #1 read way too much. (not getting any better yet.)4) He doesn't manage the game well. (but he's getting a little better.)5) He forces the ball too much. (this is the one that could kill him, he's gotten a little better, but a team with good DB's will kill him on #3 and #5)That being said, DA will most likely get the highest tender as a restricted FA next year. Unless he shows great improvement on his flaws, I think the Browns look to trade him in a year where a lot of teams are looking for QB's. Some scenarios to think about....DA keeps doing what he does all year, but unfortunately so does the defense and Quinn doesn't get to show his worth in mop-up time. The Brown's could be forced to keep both in this scenario and would have to look at signing DA to a little longer contract or let him walk for nothing the next year.DA falters or gets hurt and Quinn steps in and takes his job. If he falters, he looses trade value, but if he gets hurt, the Browns should easily get a 1st rounder for a QB that would have finished in the top 5. Either way DA has probably shown enough to have pretty good trade value even if he falters.DA picks it up and the defense figures out how to play almost adequate. Best case scenario here!
The Browns get to look at both QB's and can make a decision on who their keeping before FA hits.No matter how all this pans out, I still think Quinn is the QB of the future. I think he's much better at all the intangibles than DA, the only question mark in my mind is his accuracy under NFL pressure. And that's a big question mark! The Browns have enough talent on offense now to make an average QB that's a game manager look like an All-Pro. If they mange to get enough defensive talent together next year it will take a lot of heat off of who-ever is behind center. Trading 1 of those QB's would go a long way in getting some of that defensive talent, but there is a lot of football to play to see how the soap opera pans out.
chris1969
Footballguy
Speaking of the Dolphins, you'd have to think that they would be looking hard at Anderson if he's available, since the Browns run the same offense.
For Anderson's sake I hope not. Miami seems to be a swirling black hole of doom for QBs.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
I have bosses at work that I know a hell of a lot more than they do. Just because someone is in a certain position doesn't always mean they are qualified.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
No team is going to give up a 1st round pick for a guy who was a 6th round pick two years ago, was cut by the team that drafted him, and played poorly last season. No way, no how. The Dolphins traded a 2nd round pick for A.J. Feeley (performing in similar circumstances) -- that trade was criticized at the time, and ridiculed a year later.The Browns will consider themselves lucky if they get a 3rd round pick for Anderson. He's this year's Billy Volek.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
There in another QB from Michigan who was a 6th rd pick who has done pretty well in this league, his name escapes me at the moment.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Did that guy get cut in training camp and play poorly in his first 3 starts?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Dude, I am relaxed....not sure why you think I'm ultra serious.But my point is that you can't say that Quinn only fell because nobody needed a QB and the Dolphins are idiots. The Dolphins scouts are obviously well trained professionals and they spend countless hours on these decisions. Quinn fell for a reason. Thats all I'm saying.
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Yeah, so does every team. That doesn't mean they don't make mistakes or aren't wrong.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But that reason wasn't that he didn't have top 10 talent is all I'm saying.So giving up a top 10 pick for a guy with a year under his belt isn't unreasonable.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
My feeling is that if DA throws for close to 30 TDs this season the Browns have a problem. Romeo may have been better off just starting Quinn from day one, now he has created a monster.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Yeah, this business of winning and playing football that's fun to watch has got to stop.:rollseyes:
You need to check your Facts. He was claimed off the Practice Squad....Much like Warner, Delhomme and Romo...how'd they turn out? And he didn't play poorly in his first 3 starts.13 kan | 12 21 171 2 1 | 2 44 0 |
| 14 pit | 21 37 276 1 1 | 1 4 0 |
| 15 bal | 23 32 223 2 2 | 0 0 0 |
| 16 tam | 10 27 123 0 4 | 1 -1 0
His carreer's on the same plain as the QB's I listed before.
He has all the ingredients to be successful. Good O-line, STUD WR, STUD TE, great System and O-Co-ordinator. I've been waiting for him to stumble for 7 weeks now. It still hasn't happened. I don't see it happening. He's 6'6 with a ROCKET arm and Weapons on Offense.
I LOVED Quinn coming out of College. I think he'll be a very good QB. But I don't see Anderson out of the Line-up until he get's injured or is Traded/Signed to/by another Team.
It's going to SUCK watching the Cowboys use our Pick next April...knowing the Guy we gave it up for will not help the Team in 2008...barring an Injury or a Trade of DA.
But having a QB throw for 25+ Touchdowns will make it easier to swallow.
A Playoff Berth would be even sweeter.
It is a trade that made perfect sense at the time. I just hope your Browns keep winning so the Cowboys get a low pick.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
There are at least three first round QBs - Ryan, Woodson, & Brohm. Colt Brennan might squeak into the 1st, making it four.chris1969 said:
The quality QB supply in the NFL seems depleted this season, seems like half the league could use a better starter or atleast a good backup. The browns are lucky to have DA. I also do not think Quinn goes on to do much in his career so they are really lucky to have DA. The sad part is, if they are forced to coose, I would say they pretty much have to keep Quinn, and will end up right back where they started, with a below average NFL QB. I know most don't agree on my assessment of Quin but i am not convinced.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The same way Phillip Rivers did........you trade Anderson like Brees was traded.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Brees wasn't traded. He left in free agency and the Chargers got nothing.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I hope the Browns don't do this. I think he's going to be RFA at the end of this year. He will probably be tendered for either a 1st round pick or the 1st and 3rd round pick. Just my thoughts.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
In order to be placed on the Practice Squad, you must first be a free agent (i.e., "cut" from an active roster). I know my facts, thank you very much.Gerg73 said:
3 TDs, 7 INTs, 2 fumbles, 55.9 passer rating. On what planet is that not the very definition of "play poorly"?
None of those QBs played that poorly during any 3 game stretch of their first season as a starter. Look it up. There is no comparison.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
As was pointed out, Brees was not traded. Brees also was injured when he left in FA and he wasn't and never will be 6'6 230 lbs with a rocket arm and one of the quickest releases in the league. The Browns AREN'T going to trade Derek Anderson if he's healthy and playing the way he has been.
Channeling the gatekeeper at the Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz. "Not going to happen, NO WAY NO HOW."
NFL teams DO NOT trade away guys like DA who possess his physical skills at his age, 24, and who is producing at one of proffessional sports most demanding positions, NFL starting QB. He is on pace to shatter nearly every Browns ALL-TIME single season passing records. This with only a half a season of pro starts under his belt as he develops and improves on a weekly basis.
At first it was reasonable to be leery or to question or doubt DA but not now. Not the way he's been playing AND improving/developing before our very eyes. Some of the throws he's made are epic in the grand NFL scheme. Tight windows that few attempt let alone complete.
The two major weakness' I saw last year have faded.
1. I questioned DA's leadership along the lines of lacking the elusive 'IT' factor. Turns out the 'IT' factor can be over sold/bought and that measured doses of 'IT' work just as well as a guy steeped in 'IT', Frye, but who can't play/produce like DA. Take away Frye and DA suddenly has leadership question erased.
2. The other major weakness I saw last year was durabilty because DA only had three starts last year and ended up on IR by the time his third stat was over. DA's visit to the turf was a direct result of him going to the IR and his lack of an offensive line was a direct result of him eating turf. Offensive line fixed, DA's durabilty question erased.
Derek Anderson is NOT going to be traded kiddies, not if he continues playing as he has been. Also Brady Quinn isn't going to be moved unless someone offers an incredible package or a tremendous opportunity presents itself to the Browns. The salary cap hit would be significant since he got a signing bonus exceeding $8 million on top of whatever base salary he has. NFL teams need two decent QBs. Quinn 'could' be moved if the Browns are confident they can land a backup/developmental guy in FA or the draft but that is faaaaaaaaaaaar out into the future. DA has to continue producing/developing as he has AND stay healthy. Quinn 'hopefully' will get some PT later in the season in garbage time but neither of them are going ANYWHERE as things stand right now, ESPECIALLY Derek Anderson. Anyone who thinks a restricted FA QB who is playing like DA is now, with his physical abilities, is allowed to walk is out of their freaking minds or shouldn't be in the shark pool.
As per Minny and Quinn? Take a gander at today's wire story on the slow development of the QB taken as the first pick in last year's draft, Jamarcus Russell.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...eed=rss.raiders
A guy like Jamarcus Russell, taken with the FIRST PICK in last year's draft, widely considered to be the best QB prospect isn't anywhere ready to take over. A guy like Brady Quinn is already signed. He's been through an NFL training camp/preseason and will have a full season and off season under his belt and may even get some PT or possibly even a start should something befall Derek Anderson. Any potential trade discussion with the Vikes would have to 'start' with Minnesota's first round pick or DT/DE Kevin Williams. The Vikes are loaded on their D-Line and Williams could be moved. A starting NFL QB for a DT/DE whom a team has gotten years of service for and who carries a hefty price tag for a bargain priced QB is an excellent return on investment, especially considering the Vikings could throw in their first or second round pick into the mix to seal the deal and still come away with a replacement for Williams in next year's draft AND also land a genuine starting caliber NFL QB. The grandiose talent of RB Adrian Peterson and the huge investment in that offensive line with Bryant McKinnie/Steve Hutchison, not to mention WR Sidney Rice, will all go to waste unless the Vikes get a genuine starting caliber NFL QB as thier trigger man. Tavarius Jackson isn't the guy and any rookie is subject to slow development meaning the Vikings wouldn't get any production from their QB position for another two years at best. Quinn came in as the most well-prepared rookie QB in ages. He can play right now. ANY team would be slathering to get production from a young QB instead of waiting years to hope and see IF they'll get any sort of return on their investment. Quinn is the real deal. No NFL team trades a talent like Brady Quinn on the cheap so the OPENING of trade talks would be the Vikes first rounder and/or Kevin Williams before they could progress.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Vikings are not "loaded" on the d-line. In fact, their depth is quite thin. And they just signed both Williams to extensions. There is no chance they trade Kevin Williams. None.Of course the first rounder would have to be included.
