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NE vs PHI next week (1 Viewer)
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dgreen
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shadyridr
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Yeah Im not really calling an upset, just that it wouldnt surprise me if Westbrook puts the team on his shoulders for about 3 TDs.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Mini-Bears - 24 Giants 3 and that would finally be a good game
Brutis
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lol, ok
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Buck Bradcanon
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id say Westbrook is the only thing that makes this interesting for a quarter or so. Philly has played a few good games this year (Det, @ Wash) but other than that has looked pretty bad. the Eagles last primetime effort they got trounced, at home, against the Cowboys.
Pats 45-13
Pats 45-13
I don't know where NE has had trouble w/ RB's. They let LT go last year in the playoffs, with the thought he couldn't do enough to win. They were right. Same in the INdy game. They played nickel and dime all night, giving up the yards to Addai, thinking it wouldn't be enough to win. Correct again. Vs. Westbrook? I think they stack against the run to stop him. The NE secondary can handle Phillys passing game with their basic package. Old or not, the NE LB corps will not be beaten by Westbrook.
jurrassic
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Just like most people, I want to think Philly has a chance in this game, but Dallas smoked Philly's D and Owens had his way with them. This game will not be close. I wish it was because like most everyone the guy who has Brady in my league is a one man team and in any normal year he would only have 4 wins.
I actually think Balt, Pittsburgh, and NYG present the only remaining challenges on the regular season schedule. Primarily because they can rush the passer without blitzing and can run the ball. Baltimore is the longest shot out of that group but I think Ryan will hit Brady ALOT.
I actually think Balt, Pittsburgh, and NYG present the only remaining challenges on the regular season schedule. Primarily because they can rush the passer without blitzing and can run the ball. Baltimore is the longest shot out of that group but I think Ryan will hit Brady ALOT.
dgreen
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shadyridr
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You needed to edit that?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Looking at possible losses for NE, I did see this game as a possibility.
Philly just seems to play to the level of their opposition. Now, NE may be playing at such a high level that this isn't attainable, but Philly has been known to pull victories that they shouldn't over the years.
The team that can possibly keep pace with NE (or even better find a way to slow them down) would have to have the following:
A pass rush to get to Brady, via the Front 4 or a blitz
A secondary that can cover - at least long enough for the rush to get to Brady
An offense that is capable of scoring a lot of points, as you're not going to beat NE unless you approach 30 or more points
Offensive weapons that can help control the clock, keeping NE's drives to a minimum
A defense and/or ST unit(s) that can scorePhilly has most of those characteristics, but I admit as an Eagles fan that it would take a perfect game to even come close.
If I'm NE I just put Moss, Welker, Stallworth and WR4 on the field (or Watson) and force the Eagles to put their nickel and dime DBs on the field. Joselio Hanson and William James cannot cover these guys for 60 minutes.
Philly must dictate the tempo of the game, and if NE forces their personnel decisions it is over before it starts.
Philly just seems to play to the level of their opposition. Now, NE may be playing at such a high level that this isn't attainable, but Philly has been known to pull victories that they shouldn't over the years.
The team that can possibly keep pace with NE (or even better find a way to slow them down) would have to have the following:
A pass rush to get to Brady, via the Front 4 or a blitz
A secondary that can cover - at least long enough for the rush to get to Brady
An offense that is capable of scoring a lot of points, as you're not going to beat NE unless you approach 30 or more points
Offensive weapons that can help control the clock, keeping NE's drives to a minimum
A defense and/or ST unit(s) that can scorePhilly has most of those characteristics, but I admit as an Eagles fan that it would take a perfect game to even come close.
If I'm NE I just put Moss, Welker, Stallworth and WR4 on the field (or Watson) and force the Eagles to put their nickel and dime DBs on the field. Joselio Hanson and William James cannot cover these guys for 60 minutes.
Philly must dictate the tempo of the game, and if NE forces their personnel decisions it is over before it starts.
shadyridr
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Dont have access to numbers but they shut down ADP a few weeks back. Maybe the very was a bit much but I think they are a good defense. NE hasnt played many top defenses so Id say PHI is probably the 3rd best defense they have played behind WAS & INDY. So is this another blowout game (like vs WAS) or do they slow NE down a little (like INDY).Seriously, I'mby this comment.
delusional
Footballguy
Considering the amount of injuries that have in their secondary, they been playing with rookies & no names back there. Their run D has been playing well considering this also. Sure they don't have the turnovers but Kearse is gone. He was the weak link along with Howard. Now with Cole & Thomas & the rookie victor rotating just have to wait for their DBs to get healthier.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Vegas doesn't have a line yet, but I wouldnt' be surprised to see a 20-22 point line here.
I think it will be 20.5.
I think it will be 20.5.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
NE takes away Westbrook.
Game over.
Game over.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Philly under Reid is historically terrible against above-average AFC teams. I think they got throttled. 45-10
What's more intriguing to me is whether Westbrook is a must-start. It's obviously hard to bench him, but I wouldn't expect much if anything from him.
What's more intriguing to me is whether Westbrook is a must-start. It's obviously hard to bench him, but I wouldn't expect much if anything from him.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
ADP doesn't throw to Moss.The Eagles are fine vs. the run, but last I checked NE doesn't care about the ground game....Dont have access to numbers but they shut down ADP a few weeks back. Maybe the very was a bit much but I think they are a good defense. NE hasnt played many top defenses so Id say PHI is probably the 3rd best defense they have played behind WAS & INDY. So is this another blowout game (like vs WAS) or do they slow NE down a little (like INDY).Seriously, I'mby this comment.
shadyridr
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NE hasnt been favored by more than 16.5 all yr. What makes you think itll be a 20 pt spread vs a 5-5 team?
dgreen
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I understand there are reasons why they aren't "a very good defense." But, the fact remains that they aren't.Considering the amount of injuries that have in their secondary, they been playing with rookies & no names back there. Their run D has been playing well considering this also. Sure they don't have the turnovers but Kearse is gone. He was the weak link along with Howard. Now with Cole & Thomas & the rookie victor rotating just have to wait for their DBs to get healthier.
because they've covered 9 out of 10 times and their average margin of victory is around 25+ points.also, McNabb is injured.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
NE was a 16.5 favorite on the road against Buffalo, a 5-4 team that had won 4 in a row.Philly goes to NE and there are a few questions about McNabb's ankle.20.5 seems reasonable, and I don't think I'd ever see a 3 TD line in the NFL. I think it will be NE -20.5 and an Over/Under of 54.5.That puts it about 38-17 NE.
Just curious, what is the biggest line ever in an NFL game?If NE continues like this, I would think that week 15, home vs. Jets could be a pretty big number.Whether it's true or not, the perception is out there that Belichick will want to really run it up on Mangini.And even if MIA hasn't won a game by the time they travel to NE in week 16, I would imagine that all the voodoo and Ghosts-of-Miami past will keep the line below 20.
unckeyherb
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I'm not saying Eagles will win this week, cause I really don't think it 'll happen. But I will say this, Jim Johnson has ALWAYS been good at finding a team's main weapon and nuetralizing it. This year ADP, right after he goes for 224 rush yards-3 TD's and right before he goes for 296 rush yards- 3 TD's, Philly holds him to 70 and 0. Last year or two years ago (forget when) during a monster run by LT where he was going for about 200 all purpose yards and 2-3 TD's a game, Eagles held him to less than 30 yards total and no TD's.
The point is, I think the Johnson's schemes, especially his blitz packages have the best chance of throwing a wrench in the works of NE's offense. Brady has had the luxury of basically unlimited time behind his line to let his WR's get open. If Johnson can get his Def to plant Brady on his ### and force some mistakes, along with Westy doing his thing and McNabb playing to his potential, there is no reason to think this won't be much closer than all expect.
The point is, I think the Johnson's schemes, especially his blitz packages have the best chance of throwing a wrench in the works of NE's offense. Brady has had the luxury of basically unlimited time behind his line to let his WR's get open. If Johnson can get his Def to plant Brady on his ### and force some mistakes, along with Westy doing his thing and McNabb playing to his potential, there is no reason to think this won't be much closer than all expect.
Jeff Pasquino
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Crusaderfan
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Wow - I just bet that Belichick will be the first coach to come up with that game plan.SeniorVBDStudent said:
He's the best ever! 
trader jake
Footballguy
Joking or not, New England won't forget McNabb's ring comment after week 1. Also, the Pats do a great job of taking away their opponents #1 offensive weapon and Westbrook should be contained all day.
I just can't see this game being the one that knocks the Patriots off their undefeated perch.
I just can't see this game being the one that knocks the Patriots off their undefeated perch.
drdgreenlove
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fantasy defense and real defense are two different things. Fantasy is just that a fantasy... The Eagels don't get sacks or turnovers... but they are 10th in points against. That is on the border of good to very good. Thay aren't great. But they are at least good.As many have pointed out, the Eagles played without half their secondary for several games. their run D is tough, as evidenced by Peterson's subpar game.Of the Eagles losses, the defense was bad in 1 game- DallasThe Eagles are losing due to special teams, bad coaching, and offense. McNabb isn't who he used to be. Anybody can run a kick back against the EaglesPlease know what you are talking about before you post short answers...now having said all that, as an Eagles fan, I expect another 40 point game by NE and a 48-7 NE win... why will we get blown out? A pass rush is key against NE.. We don't have one. We do have decent enough corners to make a reasonable showing against Moss and Stallworth... But a reasonable showing against Brady this year means holding him to 3 TD passes. Also, we aren't good at ball control. We have too many 3 and outs. Finally, we give up too many big returns and McNabb or AJ will cough up the ball too many timesdgreen said:I understand there are reasons why they aren't "a very good defense." But, the fact remains that they aren't.delusional said:Considering the amount of injuries that have in their secondary, they been playing with rookies & no names back there. Their run D has been playing well considering this also. Sure they don't have the turnovers but Kearse is gone. He was the weak link along with Howard. Now with Cole & Thomas & the rookie victor rotating just have to wait for their DBs to get healthier.dgreen said:shadyridr said:
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drdgreenlove
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it is the answer... it would be great to get a pass rush from the front 4 (which the eagles cant do).. .but if you give Brady time, he will beat you. (of course give him an open man and he'll also beat you)you play nickel or dime all downs... and blitz him with a safety occasionallyThe Egales front 4 may be good enough to hold the running game in check...
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Please See Mine
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This is some thread.
greenline
Footballguy
Brady is pretty good at indentifying the blitz scheme and setting the protection. I'm not sure where to find the stats but most of his succcess comes with 5 or more pass rushers.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
What running game? The only way you can keep this game close is to neutralize Brady. Limiting Moss only means Stallworth and Welker pick it up. We need to establish our pass rush and pressure Brady as much as possible. This is a gamble because a.) we don't really have the pass rush we used to. b.) pushing in to blitz the QB means that we are leaving open lanes which Brady can exploit. Its a fine line, but all I am saying is that if anyone can do it, I think Johnson is the Def C. to do it.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Lotta maybes have to happen for Philly to win this game.
1) Cogong and Gaither need to take it up a notch. They have to help in the secondary. Fortunately they won't have to worry about the run.
2) Philly needs to utilize Westy to the utomost...screens and shovel passes.
3) Philly is going to have to play immaculate Special Teams.
4) Jimmy Johnson and Andy Reid will somehow have to construct a time machine and bring back players like Kearse,Dawkins, McNabb and LJ Smith from they were in their prime. It also wouldn't hurt to while they were back there to make amends with past Terrell Owens so he can be on the current roster....although now we're getting into some "ButterFly Effect" physics which can be quite tedious.
It ain't going to happen.
1) Cogong and Gaither need to take it up a notch. They have to help in the secondary. Fortunately they won't have to worry about the run.
2) Philly needs to utilize Westy to the utomost...screens and shovel passes.
3) Philly is going to have to play immaculate Special Teams.
4) Jimmy Johnson and Andy Reid will somehow have to construct a time machine and bring back players like Kearse,Dawkins, McNabb and LJ Smith from they were in their prime. It also wouldn't hurt to while they were back there to make amends with past Terrell Owens so he can be on the current roster....although now we're getting into some "ButterFly Effect" physics which can be quite tedious.
It ain't going to happen.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
The only things intriguing about the matchup is the fact that Westbrook has been hot and the Philly passing game includes lots of short passes. They could conceivably eat up a lot of clock with their drives, so a break here or there could keep the game close.
eom
Footballguy
so far, just about every week the great football minds have come forth to start some thread about whichever stumblebum is going to beat the pats, and how they're going to do it.
how's that workin' out for you?
you'd think people would learn from history, but some people just have a real problem w/that.
it'll be pats by 30-40, and I sincerely hope all you contrarians have been putting your money down against the pats every week -- by season's end, you'll be picking the giants via laptop wireless from your cardboard box.
I'll give the division credit, though, at least the miami and buffalo fans seemed to be living in the real world.
how's that workin' out for you?
you'd think people would learn from history, but some people just have a real problem w/that.
it'll be pats by 30-40, and I sincerely hope all you contrarians have been putting your money down against the pats every week -- by season's end, you'll be picking the giants via laptop wireless from your cardboard box.
I'll give the division credit, though, at least the miami and buffalo fans seemed to be living in the real world.
Ghost Rider
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The line on this game should be at least 21 1/2. Still getting NE minus anything under 20 vs. just about any team besides the Colts is a gift right now.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
shadyridr said:
And I'm an Eagles fan.You must be relying on the reputation of past years as opposed to the performance this year. Our D is not bad but it is not very good either. And we are banged up in the secondary, which means Brady and co. will kill us.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
shadyridr said:
We're not blitzing nearly as much this year as we have in past years. We don't have the personnel to pull it off.You've not actually watched any Eagles games this year, have you?
ThePhillyKid
Footballguy
Eagles D is okay this year, good but not great.
Certainly not good enough to stop Brady and co.
Probably not even good enough to slow them down.
I expect yet another Pats blowout.
Certainly not good enough to stop Brady and co.
Probably not even good enough to slow them down.
I expect yet another Pats blowout.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
We stacked the box in order to stop him, and dared Holcomb/Bollinger to beat us through the air. They couldn't. We also didn't miss many tackles that game. Seems like a pretty obvious strategy. Don't know why other teams haven't been able to execute it.shadyridr said:
pats3in4
Footballguy
All the "Pats have no running game" comments are misinformed to say the least. Sure, the Pats rely heavily on the pass to jump out to big leads, but they have been very successful at running out clock in the 2nd halves of several games this year. I will admit they were probably better at it with Morris alternating series with Maroney, but their running game should not be underestimated.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I will go as far as saying Maroney is their worst RB behind Morris and Faulk. I am NOT impressed by Maroney at all. If he was on any other team wed be talking about him being a huge bust IMO.
