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Javon Walker {Dynasty} (1 Viewer)
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Depends on the price, I wouldn't buy him for what his value was at the start of this year, because Brandon Marshall has emerged. I'm not sure who's going to be better next year, Javon Walker or Brandon Marshall.
I hope this is
H.K.
Footballguy
Why?I hope this is
JPeso
Footballguy
Marshall has put up decent numbers, but he is no game-changer. I'd put Walker and Marshall as a 1a and 1b on Denver, as I think neither of these two guys are ELITE talents.Why?I hope this is
H.K.
Footballguy
Marshall has put up decent numbers, but he is no game-changer. I'd put Walker and Marshall as a 1a and 1b on Denver, as I think neither of these two guys are ELITE talents.Why?I hope this is
Decent numbers? Not a game changer? He's on pace for over 80 catches and 1200 yards receiving in only his second season with a QB who is still as green as he is.Going into the season everyone knew Marshall was Cutler's favorite target, and both he and Cutler are only going to get better. Walker probably could be considered as the second option over Scheffler....IF Walker ever plays....big IF there, though. What Walker did this past weekend was an embarrassment.
MarcO
Footballguy
He's not really a game changer - he's only topped 100 yards once this season and had more than 7 catches once. Walker topped both of those numbers in the first two games of the season - and then laid an egg in week 3 while Marshall went for 7/133. When Walker is healthy, either of these guys can go off for big numbers - it's tough to label either as the 1a or the 1b. Of course Walker's proven to not be healthy enough to pay #1 dollars for or draft in a #1 spot. But if you can get him cheap and you think he'll be healthy then he's a good gamble.Marshall has put up decent numbers, but he is no game-changer. I'd put Walker and Marshall as a 1a and 1b on Denver, as I think neither of these two guys are ELITE talents.Why?I hope this isDecent numbers? Not a game changer? He's on pace for over 80 catches and 1200 yards receiving in only his second season with a QB who is still as green as he is.
Going into the season everyone knew Marshall was Cutler's favorite target, and both he and Cutler are only going to get better. Walker probably could be considered as the second option over Scheffler....IF Walker ever plays....big IF there, though. What Walker did this past weekend was an embarrassment.
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H.K.
Footballguy
Did you say the same about Terrell Owens? His 2nd year numbers were 60 recepts for 936 yards in 16 games. Marshall has put up similar numbers through only 11 games.Marshall>>>>>>>>Walker
NorrisB
Footballguy
And what about as far as 1st round picks?
Not sure if you want this and not sure if it is a no one cares about your team but I had Walker involved in a trade (6 man keeper, 12 team):
Norwood/Turner/Crayton for Westbrook/Walker
I realize that this doesn't tell you much, but the deal basically broke down to Norwood for Walker.
Norwood/Turner/Crayton for Westbrook/Walker
I realize that this doesn't tell you much, but the deal basically broke down to Norwood for Walker.
Rushmore
Footballguy
I'm suprised that there isn't more Marshall hype than there is. He's been one of the most consistant Wr's this year in FFball. At the beginning of the year he seemed to be overhyped, but by now I would've expected more run for this guy. Not only on this board, but on the weekly rankings too. Whats not to like about this guy, and why is it so preposterous to rank him over Javon Walker?
loose circuits
Footballguy
did he get caught having sex with a transexual or something?you couldn't have seen anything embarassing on the 8 snaps he played...Shanny didn't think he was fully healthy so they went with Stokley not sure how that's embarassing
SSOG
Moderator
Unless a 1st round pick winds up being in the top 2-3, I don't really care about it. In my mind, the difference between the #3 and the #4 pick (or the #2 and the #3 pick, depending on where the breakpoint is that year) is greater than the difference between the #4 pick and a mid-to-late second rounder. I'd trade him straight up for the #1 or #2 overall draft picks, without question. I might trade him for the #3 overall draft pick, too, depending on who else was around that year that I liked and what my team needs were (I'd be tempted for a Marshawn Lynch type). Outside of that, I wouldn't have much interest. Maybe for a package of three late first rounders, but again, I'd really need to see who was coming out, where they were being drafted, and what my team needs were.
Yikes. I don't know if I'd trade Westbrook for Norwood/Turner/Crayton straight up, to say nothing at all about the inclusion of Walker.
What's not to like about him? He still hasn't shown an ability to consistently take over games, for one. After that, there's not a lot to not like, but there are still a lot of areas where you just have to like Javon Walker more- including on the deep ball and in the red zone, where Walker is among the best in the league.As for why it's preposterous to rank him over Walker... I don't think it's PREPOSTEROUS, really, but I don't have him anywhere near Walker because Walker's stats, when he was healthy, have been absolutely untouchable both in Green Bay *AND* in Denver. Those stats were compiled with three different QBs in two different offensive systems while changing teams and recovering from major surgery (both factors which had historically been the death-knell for WRs). Walker has, in my mind, demonstrated that he's one of those studs that, when healthy, transcends everything around him- a guy like Owens or Holt. Marshall's having a very nice season, but he's nowhere near that point yet.
mdog1967
Footballguy
No traded him away this year because he just does not seem to stay healty. Great WR, just too PUP for me.If so how much?
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I think those who own him will still value him too much, and those who don't own him will undervalue him. The guy has a bad knee and who knows what the future holds. He could retire next week, or return to a decent level of performance. A real unknown commodity at this point. IMO, I wouldn't give up too much for him. Knee problems like these are chronic and when 'microfracture' is mentioned, it isn't good....
radiohead417
Footballguy
I don't love his future, but I do like it. I don't see why he and Marshall (with Cutler) can't be like McCaffrey and Rod Smith (with Elway). I think they both can be top 15-20 WRs, with Walker having some nice upside to top 10.
H.K.
Footballguy
He needs to show some personal pride. Either call it quits or play the game....the guy must have zero self respect to do what he did last week.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Maybe he thinks the team is more important than his stats for a week? You're actually suggesting that he tell his coach he quits in the middle of a game? Or that he just not do what the coach asks?
I thought about responding to H.K.'s post but it was so silly I did not know what to say.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I hope that's Michael Westbrook.
bcr8f
Footballguy
HK hates anyone ever associated with the Packers even ex players. Driver stunk last year and he said Cutler doesn't even know who Walker is. Most sane people just ignore him.
(unwelcomed)GUEST
Footballguy
I know he played sparingly in Week 12 but I haven't heard or seen (press conference blurbs or media) comments on his health status since Week 12. With the poor weather conditions and Walker just coming back from the injury, it's not that much of a surprise that he was limited. Again I haven't seen updates on his status this week, has anyone seen anything that says Walker has had a setback?I thought about responding to H.K.'s post but it was so silly I did not know what to say.
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az_prof
Footballguy
Most ffl owners get cranked up by the 200 yard, three TD days. And so far Marshall hasn't had those. But it is really foolishness on the part of fantasy owners because consistency is worth more than an occasional game where a guy "takes over." I don't think any WR has been more consistent than Marshall this year and when you consider it is only his second year and first year starting that's pretty amazing.Bottom line: I wouldn't mind having Walker but I wouldn't trade Marshall straight up for him. He is younger, healthier, has a better rapport with the QB, and has been more consistent.
mofo313
Footballguy
I'd love to know what the hell's up with him. Glad I didn't start him last week but we're getting into playoff time soon and I'd love to know if he'll be able to get it done.(unwelcomed)GUEST said:I know he played sparingly in Week 12 but I haven't heard or seen (press conference blurbs or media) comments on his health status since Week 12. With the poor weather conditions and Walker just coming back from the injury, it's not that much of a surprise that he was limited. Again I haven't seen updates on his status this week, has anyone seen anything that says Walker has had a setback?cartel said:-OZ- said:I thought about responding to H.K.'s post but it was so silly I did not know what to say.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
I'm waiting on him one more week since they're playing the tough Oakland pass defense this week.I'd love to know what the hell's up with him. Glad I didn't start him last week but we're getting into playoff time soon and I'd love to know if he'll be able to get it done.(unwelcomed)GUEST said:I know he played sparingly in Week 12 but I haven't heard or seen (press conference blurbs or media) comments on his health status since Week 12. With the poor weather conditions and Walker just coming back from the injury, it's not that much of a surprise that he was limited. Again I haven't seen updates on his status this week, has anyone seen anything that says Walker has had a setback?cartel said:-OZ- said:I thought about responding to H.K.'s post but it was so silly I did not know what to say.
H.K.
Footballguy
You may want to look into my posts regarding Brett Favre. While I am not a fan of any one team (which enables me to look at situations without bias), I have tremendous respect for the Packers and the uniqeness of the franchise. Green Bay is special, for many reasons.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Do you ever add anything of value?
I'm a huge Marshall Fan...but...
Walker > Marshall easily.
In 2004, he showed he can be one of the best in the league.
2005 is lost to injury
2006, returns--to a different team---team that likes to run more--different conference--tougher conference and posts 1000 yards.
In the 1st 2 games this year, Walker was on track for a hell of a season.
If you look at the play by play of the 4th quarter from their 1st game, it's VERY clear who Cutler had the rapport with. The knee should be the only concern...and if he can get 1000 after an ACL, some swelling isn't going to scare me off long term.
Also, how the hell is calling it quits personal pride? That's the most worthless statement I've read on this board in the while I've visited here.
Walker > Marshall easily.
In 2004, he showed he can be one of the best in the league.
2005 is lost to injury
2006, returns--to a different team---team that likes to run more--different conference--tougher conference and posts 1000 yards.
In the 1st 2 games this year, Walker was on track for a hell of a season.
If you look at the play by play of the 4th quarter from their 1st game, it's VERY clear who Cutler had the rapport with. The knee should be the only concern...and if he can get 1000 after an ACL, some swelling isn't going to scare me off long term.
Also, how the hell is calling it quits personal pride? That's the most worthless statement I've read on this board in the while I've visited here.
H.K.
Footballguy
Does Walker?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I took him at wr18 and overpaid. These are 16 team leagues and didn't think he'd slide 24 picks back to me. Since it's a best ball league and could afford to roll the dice. I could have gone with someone more consistant, but I thought he had the highest ceiling of the available wrs.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Then why are you offering him?
FUBAR
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I have to agree... Marshall is the #1 Denver, Walker is turning into the Dom Davis of WRs.I have no interest in trading for him.... even with his value so low.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Having a hard stance on guys is how you lose your league. Go against the grain and you're rewarded nicely.Besides, you're ignoring that Walker is one of the top talents in the league if healthy. There is a huge payoff here.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Link?
sheerterror
Footballguy
I think the point is a "buy" low is also a "sell" low - if you think he's a great buy low (meaning his value is low) then now is not the time to be selling - no matter how much WR depth you have
FUBAR
Footballguy
Exactly my point. Sell another WR if you want to trade WR for RB. Any time someone tells you they're offering a player, they cannot truly think he's clearly a great buy-low. I don't care if you have Steve Smith, 85, Fitzgerald, Wayne, and Walker. You'd trade one of the others before a clear great buy low.
