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Anybody else think the Texans are primed for 2008? (1 Viewer)

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Speaking as a Jags fan, I'm very worried about the Texans next year. They've got an incredible pass rusher in Mario Williams, and a very nice WR (top 2-3 in my opinion) in Andre Johnson. If they get any kind of legit QB play from Schaub/Rosenfels, I think they're a big-time contender.

 
Dominick Davis, AJ, Dayne, Schaub, Carr. All texans who have put up some numbers. I don't think the team is great or anything, but I am bumping up the fantasy production for next year.

 
Mario Williams-incredible? Why has the media made this guy their golden child? He is no Kampman or Jared Allan and not worthy of the top pick.

2 words Indianapolis Colts.

 
Mario Williams-incredible? Why has the media made this guy their golden child? He is no Kampman or Jared Allan and not worthy of the top pick. 2 words Indianapolis Colts.
Your crazy if you think Mario Williams is the media Golden Child. That would be Reggie Bush. For a second year player that is a half a sack from leading the league is pretty incredible. And just maybe Houston did get it right when they drafted Williams over Bush.
 
watching the Texans last night reminded me soo much of the Broncos teams of the early 2000's in terms of playcalling. Their O-line probably need another year to gel and I think that they could use some talent @ RB, but I think that this offense is shaping up to be a dominant one in 2008, plus I think the D will be more than adequate.

 
I think they have finally made the turn from expansion team to middle of the road NFL squad.

AJ is a beast and they have some other parts mario et all.

They could make a wildcard run next couple of year.

 
They were primed this year and the only reason they are not right in the middle of the playoff picture is becasue AJ got hurt. That cost them a few games. 100% TOTAL STUD.

 
They're definitely not the best. but I do think they are primed for a run in 2008, however, and have a good chance at going 10-6.

 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.

So would another d-back or two.

Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.

 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
any one of those backs on the Texans should be considered as a first or second round FF pick in 2008, IMO.
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
 
So one top pass rusher and a top 2-3 WR makes the team a contendor for the division?
They have some nice players. DeMeco anyone? Not to mention Dunta Robinson will be back next year. I just think they're emerging, and keep in mind they were without Andre Johnson for a stretch. If they stop Kerry Collins in Houston, then they're at 8-6 and is maybe the favorite for the #6 spot.Indy is nice, but I think they're in decline, and the cap is catching up to them. Jacksonville has some big holes on defense. I think it's a three-horse race in that division next year, and the Titans aren't awful either (they just have big QB issues).
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
:pickle: I don't know if they'd spend the $, but Turner has nothing to do with the injury-ridden, elder RB. They have a great core group with Mario, Ryans, Okoye, and Dunta Robinson on D; AJ and some other ok pieces on offense. If their OL and RB get rolling, they'll be #2 in the division. As a Titans fan, I don't like seeing the Texans shaping up like this; as a football fan, I like how they're doing it.
Mario Williams-incredible? Why has the media made this guy their golden child? He is no Kampman or Jared Allan and not worthy of the top pick.
Wrong on all counts. 0-3, better luck next post. 1. Not the media golden child2. not too far from Kampman/Allen level, in his 2nd year (arguably, on the same level, potentially better)3. Seems to be the best player in the draft right now. Who would you have taken over him, with the benefit of hindsight? Perhaps VY or Cutler, but that isn't the way they wanted to build.
 
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So one top pass rusher and a top 2-3 WR makes the team a contendor for the division?
They have some nice players. DeMeco anyone? Not to mention Dunta Robinson will be back next year. I just think they're emerging, and keep in mind they were without Andre Johnson for a stretch. If they stop Kerry Collins in Houston, then they're at 8-6 and is maybe the favorite for the #6 spot.Indy is nice, but I think they're in decline, and the cap is catching up to them. Jacksonville has some big holes on defense. I think it's a three-horse race in that division next year, and the Titans aren't awful either (they just have big QB issues).
I think the Titans have WR issues that hampers their QB's development.
 
So one top pass rusher and a top 2-3 WR makes the team a contendor for the division?
Andre Johnson makes a big difference in this team.This season they are 2-5 in the games he missed due to knee injuryThey are 5-2 when he is playing
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
They will get a rookie cheaper. That's what. Turner is going to command big $. They won't be paying that AGAIN!
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
They will get a rookie cheaper. That's what. Turner is going to command big $. They won't be paying that AGAIN!
I see. Very possible that they go rookie instead of FA for that reason.
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
They will get a rookie cheaper. That's what. Turner is going to command big $. They won't be paying that AGAIN!
I see. Very possible that they go rookie instead of FA for that reason.
Hart in the 3rd round.
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
They will get a rookie cheaper. That's what. Turner is going to command big $. They won't be paying that AGAIN!
I see. Very possible that they go rookie instead of FA for that reason.
Hart in the 3rd round.
With the talent at RB I don't think Hart will be that high. Could probably get him in the late 4th early 5th when things are all said and done.
 
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
They will get a rookie cheaper. That's what. Turner is going to command big $. They won't be paying that AGAIN!
I see. Very possible that they go rookie instead of FA for that reason.
Could be, but it depends on whether the team wants to rely on a rookie if they believe they're on the verge of making a move in the conference.I'm not sure what their cap situation is, but they will probably have some FA money to spend. RB may just be one of those spots they decide upon, and use the draft for other positions. Maybe it won't be Turner, but Kubiak undoubtedly is familiar with his material when he coached in Denver.Should be interesting in any event, as whoever is running the ball may have serious value.
 
Could be, but it depends on whether the team wants to rely on a rookie if they believe they're on the verge of making a move in the conference.I'm not sure what their cap situation is, but they will probably have some FA money to spend. RB may just be one of those spots they decide upon, and use the draft for other positions. Maybe it won't be Turner, but Kubiak undoubtedly is familiar with his material when he coached in Denver.Should be interesting in any event, as whoever is running the ball may have serious value.
If it were me running the show, I'd use my FA money on one of the available corners (Samuel, Trufant, Deangelo Hall) and draft a running back.Easier for a rookie RB to make an impact than a corner.
 
Could be, but it depends on whether the team wants to rely on a rookie if they believe they're on the verge of making a move in the conference.I'm not sure what their cap situation is, but they will probably have some FA money to spend. RB may just be one of those spots they decide upon, and use the draft for other positions. Maybe it won't be Turner, but Kubiak undoubtedly is familiar with his material when he coached in Denver.Should be interesting in any event, as whoever is running the ball may have serious value.
If it were me running the show, I'd use my FA money on one of the available corners (Samuel, Trufant, Deangelo Hall) and draft a running back.Easier for a rookie RB to make an impact than a corner.
I believe Houston is slated to have about 23M is cap space for 2008 right now.
 
Could be, but it depends on whether the team wants to rely on a rookie if they believe they're on the verge of making a move in the conference.I'm not sure what their cap situation is, but they will probably have some FA money to spend. RB may just be one of those spots they decide upon, and use the draft for other positions. Maybe it won't be Turner, but Kubiak undoubtedly is familiar with his material when he coached in Denver.Should be interesting in any event, as whoever is running the ball may have serious value.
If it were me running the show, I'd use my FA money on one of the available corners (Samuel, Trufant, Deangelo Hall) and draft a running back.Easier for a rookie RB to make an impact than a corner.
I believe Houston is slated to have about 23M is cap space for 2008 right now.
Watch out! They should be a player in the FA market with that number.
 
My view of the Texans:

QB: Good situation, Schaub looked good but the injury bug is a concern. On the good side, Sage is a clone of Schaub and the team doesn't have to change anything when he goes in.

RB: Big need right now. Dayne has been serviceable and better than I expected, but a better RB could have done a lot more on this team.

WR: Going into this year it was one of the biggest weaknesses and areas of need, with no one other than Andre Johnson worth putting on the field. Walter has emerged as a consistent producer, and Andre Davis is providing a deep threat that other teams have to respect on the other side from AJ.

TE: Daniels is a good pass catching TE. I can't attest to how his run blocking is coming along. Dreesen is getting more playing time as well and has looked capable, though I wouldn't mind an upgrade there.

OL: The OL is decent but not great, and has a bad lack of depth. If Charles Spencer can ever return from his major leg injury and live up to the promise he originally showed it would be a huge step forward... but the Texans will be making a mistake if they count on that happening. They need to draft or pick up some additional OL, including a tackle and a guard if possible.

DL: DL is good right now. Mario is providing a good pass rush, and I think Okoye will do better next year as I think he's hit the rookie wall right now. They have a lot of good depth on the D-line, enough that they are always cycling guys in and out and keeping fresh players on the field. Guys like Zgonina, Cochran and ND Kalu have been a big part of the Texans this year.

LB: Morlon Greenwood has really been on fire the last few games. If he keeps this up, he and Ryans could be scary. Coaches have said of Ryans that as a rookie he had the play recognition ability of 10 year veteran starters. It was incomprehensible that Ryans didn't make the pro bowl last year, and the only reason I can see for it was lack of exposure. I would like to see an upgrade at the other outside LB, particularly someone good in pass coverage. It would be interesting to see what special teams standout Zach Diles could do with some playing time.

CB: Ok, big problems here. Dunta Robinson is a very underrated CB probably due to lack of exposure. It was a crime that he didn't make the pro bowl last year. He isn't the best shut down corner though he's very good in coverage, but when you consider the aspect his tackling and blitzing brings he is amongst the best in the league. He's one of the best tacklers in the entire NFL, and definitely the best on the team. However, his injury makes it questionable when he'd be ready to play next year, and I won't expect as much out of him returning from the major injuries he suffered. Faggins shouldn't be more than a nickle in the NFL. Bennett is looking ok but he gets beaten after the catch way too often. Von Hutchins has done ok as well, but really these guys need to improve if they are going to be starters. The Texans should be looking to take a CB in the first next year.

Safety: Along with cornerback, safety was decimated by injuries this year. Starter Glenn Earl and backup Jason Simmons both on IR. Both are decent players but probably below average by NFL starter standards. 3rd stringer safety Von Hutchins may have actually been outplaying both of them, but then he was converted back to CB after the injuries to Dunta and Faggins. Demps and Boulware do not seem like long-term answers to me either. Starter CC Brown is much like Earl... decent, but probably below average by NFL standards.

Special teams: This is an area of the Texans that those who don't follow the team probably aren't as aware of. Special teams has been a big differentiator for the Texans in the games they've won. Jerome Mathis was starting to get close to his old self before being lost for the year. Again. Jacoby Jones looked great at punt returns early in the season and pre-season, but since the injury he hasn't done much. Andre Davis coming on strong at kick returner has been a big deal for the Texans, both in putting points on the board and in giving them a short field to work. This is an area that Houston needs to continue to be good at if they are going to be able to compete in their division, especially against the Colts.

Injuries: Not sure if this stat is correct, but a friend told me this week that Houston led the league in players on IR for 3 of their first 6 years of existence. If that isn't right, as a Texans fan it sure seems believable. I don't know if a stat like that means their training staff isn't doing something right in preparing the players, but they have to keep key players healthy to make a playoff run. The Texans still do not have enough depth at a few areas to be able to put 17 players on IR each season. But the drafting since Kubiak and Rick Smith have come along has been very good, so looking forward to seeing them continue to build up the whole team including the depth.

I think Houston has a positive future ahead of them the way they are going. But they are going to have to build a team capable of competing with the Colts on a regular basis to have sustained success. Otherwise they are in the same situation as Jacksonville, trying to squeak in with a wildcard, and that isn't where you want to be. They have a decent amount of cap room next year, with $20m in dead money coming off the cap from guys from the Casserly era who were cut. That isn't at the top of the list though, so they need to spend it wisely. I'd say their needs in order are:

CB, OL, RB, Safety

 
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Mario Williams-incredible? Why has the media made this guy their golden child? He is no Kampman or Jared Allan and not worthy of the top pick.

It appears that Reggie Bush was not worthy of his draft selection either.
 
kevinray said:
Kirby said:
Andy Dufresne said:
FavreCo said:
Andy Dufresne said:
FavreCo said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Someone like a Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart, or Michael Turner would really help this team.So would another d-back or two.Otherwise, I'm turning into a fan of this team. The AFC south is the best division in football. Yes, better than the NFC west.
They won't touch Turner after the Ahman Green debacle. As far as the other 2 guys, if either is a fumbler, they have no chance to be drafted by Kubiak. That is the reason Dayne is still carrying the ball for Kubiak. He hates fumblers and if you fumble, you sit with Joe E. and Chris Taylor on the bench. I beleive Stewart fumbles. Not sure about Mendenhall.
What does Michael Turner have to do with Ahman Green other than the free agency angle. Turner is about 20 years younger than Green.
They will get a rookie cheaper. That's what. Turner is going to command big $. They won't be paying that AGAIN!
I see. Very possible that they go rookie instead of FA for that reason.
Hart in the 3rd round.
With the talent at RB I don't think Hart will be that high. Could probably get him in the late 4th early 5th when things are all said and done.
Hart would be an absolute steal in the 4th, he really should be a first day pick. A few months ago, he was a bona fide 1st rounder. Kubiak will love Hart, as he doesn't fumble often. If they don't go after Turner, there's no doubt IMO that he'll be their RB.
 
Good writeup GregR.

One thing I didn't see mentioned was the Offense's major turnover problems. The Texans lead the league in giveaways by a large margin and that has cost them dearly in a number of games. Much like the Injury issue, I wonder how much fumbling can be coached out of the players vs it just being a fluke.

My dream offseason for the Texans would be signing Asante Samuel and Michael Turner and then having Kenny Phillips fall to us in the draft. That would fill 3 major holes and make us an instant force to be reckoned with. The most likely scenario, however, is signing someone cheaper like a Julius Jones type and then drafting the best corner prospect left on the board at our pick.

 
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Holy cow. I just read that Bob Sanders is going to be a FA this year too?Hmmm....
Usually a good idea to steal from the division rival.
I wonder how the Colts' cap situation is. I'm sure they'd love to keep him but he's going to cost a lot.
Maybe they let him go and direct their attention towards stealing Moss. I could see Moss pulling a Deion and winning a championship one place (SF) and then going to the arch rival and winning another.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
FavreCo said:
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Holy cow. I just read that Bob Sanders is going to be a FA this year too?Hmmm....
Usually a good idea to steal from the division rival.
I wonder how the Colts' cap situation is. I'm sure they'd love to keep him but he's going to cost a lot.
that would be beyond an enormous loss. He is to the Indy D what Haynesworth is to the Titans.
 
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Mario Williams-incredible? Why has the media made this guy their golden child? He is no Kampman or Jared Allan and not worthy of the top pick. 2 words Indianapolis Colts.
I must have missed when Mario Williams became the media golden child. He had some rookie growing pains last year as a Texan, but this year he has played lights out, and he will only get better. The Texans made the right choice in making him their first round pick.
 
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Mario Williams-incredible? Why has the media made this guy their golden child? He is no Kampman or Jared Allan and not worthy of the top pick. 2 words Indianapolis Colts.
I must have missed when Mario Williams became the media golden child. He had some rookie growing pains last year as a Texan, but this year he has played lights out, and he will only get better. The Texans made the right choice in making him their first round pick.
Williams and Okoye sure looks better now that Bush and Meachem. I am wondering if the Saints know what they are doing at the draft.
 
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bcr8f said:
Mario Williams-incredible? Why has the media made this guy their golden child? He is no Kampman or Jared Allan and not worthy of the top pick. 2 words Indianapolis Colts.
Your crazy if you think Mario Williams is the media Golden Child. That would be Reggie Bush. For a second year player that is a half a sack from leading the league is pretty incredible. And just maybe Houston did get it right when they drafted Williams over Bush.
Actually, the media is spending alot of time making up for the crap the heaped on Williams for NOT being Bush or Young.Whether he was worthy of the top pick - and I still have my doubts - he is having an excellent year and is playing very well.The media seems to just be saying 'hey we might have been wrong about this kid'.I think theColts will still be the class of the division, but the Texans do look like they could make a move upwards, depending on their off season.
 
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Could be, but it depends on whether the team wants to rely on a rookie if they believe they're on the verge of making a move in the conference.I'm not sure what their cap situation is, but they will probably have some FA money to spend. RB may just be one of those spots they decide upon, and use the draft for other positions. Maybe it won't be Turner, but Kubiak undoubtedly is familiar with his material when he coached in Denver.Should be interesting in any event, as whoever is running the ball may have serious value.
If it were me running the show, I'd use my FA money on one of the available corners (Samuel, Trufant, Deangelo Hall) and draft a running back.Easier for a rookie RB to make an impact than a corner.
I believe Houston is slated to have about 23M is cap space for 2008 right now.
I think the number is actually closer to $35M.GregR, I agree with most of your assessment. Though, I think Demps is here to stay. Our first priority should be to lock up Andre Davis who will be an UFA. Then I think our areas to address should be SS, OLB, OL, and RB. A RDE would also be nice, something like a 3rd down specialist.I would prefer to address the secondary via FA and RB in the draft but so long as they address all of those areas I don't mind how they do it. I think the number one FA I would be pursuing would be Alan Faneca. Weary is an UFA even if he's able to play next season so we could use a guard and Faneca is better than anyone on our OL. I also wouldn't mind seeing them pick up a really big space eating DT to improve the run defense.
 
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Are they getting anything out of Travis Johnson? 3 consecutive firsts on DL can make a defense VERY stout.
He's been very good. He was on the brink of being cut coming into the season and he has definitely stepped up his play. He's not much of a pass rusher but he does well at stopping the run and he has batted down several passes this year. He hasn't been exceptional but he is definitely a valuable part of the rotation.
 
Living in NJ, this was one of the first Texans games I've seen. Agree that they need DB and RB help the most. I doubt they make a serious run at the division until 2009 though as they are still very young.

Does anyone think that with the RBs in the draft and as FAs, the best idea for Houston is to get Kenny Phillips in RD1 and take a FA or 2nd round RB?

 
Living in NJ, this was one of the first Texans games I've seen. Agree that they need DB and RB help the most. I doubt they make a serious run at the division until 2009 though as they are still very young. Does anyone think that with the RBs in the draft and as FAs, the best idea for Houston is to get Kenny Phillips in RD1 and take a FA or 2nd round RB?
We don't have a 2nd rounder, as we traded last year's 2nd and next year's 2nd for Schaub. If we go RB in the draft, unless we pick up some extra picks somewhere or there is a great steal in the 3rd, I'd rather wait until the 4th or later to get one. I think the needs on OL and at CB are more.As for Phillips, I'm not studied up enough on next year's draft class to really give any opinion. Secondary help is definitely needed. If they have a corner and a safety rated equal I'd much rather go corner. But if a safety shows up at our pick who is much better than the corners available, I wouldn't argue with taking him. Of course what they can do in free agency will have a big role there, fill one need there and then that can free up draft picks. Lots of RB out there in FA this year, I'd be fine with getting one from FA.
 

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