New York Jets Future (1 Viewer)

Seeing the Jets play today you can see that they play hard for coach Mangini and he obvioulsy hasn't lost the team. That is a huge feat given their record. Not with that said Mangini has to make some changes to the coaching staff and we need to add a lot of pieces of both sides of the ball. More so on offense, but the defense has some obvious holes also. Heres my list of things the Jets need to do in the offseason to head in the right direction to be a Super Bowl contender someday with Mangini...

1. Draft a Franchise QB- Say what you want about other aspects of the team but this is what the Jets have lacked since Namath. They need their own Manning, Brady, or Favre to build around. We will obviously have a top 5 pick and we need to go get Brohm, whatever it takes. If we have to move up we can deal Vilma with Harris playing so well. Seeing Clemens play, there are no signs he will be a starting QB in the league. I know he was a 2nd Round pick but the Jets have to bite the bullet and admit it was a mistake and remedy it by taking Brohm. Nobody will be second guessing the move.

2. Draft a Defensive End- The Jets have absolutely no pass rush. The only time they get after the QB is when they bring the house. Ellis is finished and we have nobody else to rush the QB. Having someone who can sack the QB without blitzing obviously helps out other areas of the defense. Now with that said they cant draft a DE in the 1st Round...especially in the top 5. There are rumors they like Howie Longs son who plays in Virginia. Big mistake if they draft him instead of a QB. They can get a quality pass rusher in the 2nd round.

3. RG/RT- Since giving away Kendall, the Jets right side has been horrendous. They cant run block or pass protect. They can fill these voids either in Free Agency or in the draft.

4. DT- Jets fans know what a disaster Dwayne Robertson has been know and we all cant wait for him to exit left. He is vastly undersized and it shows in how our run defense has been over the years. We need a huge, athletic tackle to battle in the trenches. Again we can fill this through the draft or free agency.

5. RB- Now I know we have Thomas Jones for only one season but we have to honestly decide if he is going to be the long term answer in New York. he will be 30 soon enough and that is the beginning of the end for RBs. I know the Jets were extremely interested in Michael Turner and he will be an unrestricted free agent. Tough call but since the Jets gave up next to nothing to get Jones they need to go get Turner and let him take charge of the offense with a new QB and they will grow together. Turner will be a top 10 back when given the chance.

6. WR- Cotchery is a great WR but he is no #1. Coles has been a warrrior for the Jets but he has been banged up this season and he is getting up there in age. They need to bring in a playmaker at WR desperately.

7. Coaches- Schottenheimer and Sutton are extremely suspect as offensive and defensive coordinators. Schottenheimer has been very conservative since day one. Most Jets fans thought it was because of Pennington but since Clemens took over its the same story. Some of his decisions have been god awful and he needs to re-evalute what he is trying to do on offense. I am not saying he needs to go, but Mangini needs to seriously review the offense with him and overhaul it. As far as Sutton goes, he needs to go. I think for the most part, Mangini has already taken charge of the defense since the bye week and Sutton is only DC but name only. Rumors are Monte Kiffin will be joining his son in Oakland paving the way for Ryan to come to the Jets. Remember Ryan was rumored to be the Jets DC before Mangini named Sutton. Ryan would be a huge sigining for the defense.

Disagree about drafting a QB. I'm not saying that Clemens is the Jets' franchise QB, but to label him a bust given the small sample size and the circumstances of this season (poor o-line play, injuries to receivers) would not be fair. There are way too many holes on this team to assume that drafting a rookie QB in the top 5, who would then likely take a few more years to learn the system and become "NFL ready" would help this team right its ship within the next decade. The offense definitely does need a playmaker but I'd be fine with Chris Long being drafted. He or McFadden would be my preference.

I wont disagree with McFadden but we cant waste another year with Clemens if hes a bust. If we can deal Vilma and possibly get a QB a little later would be a huge draft. McFadden and maybe Ryan would be huge. Long in the top 5 is horrible IMO.

Robertson is just not in the system built for him - he needs to be in a 4-3.... same thing with Vilma. It's really a waste of talent to have these guys in this system. I'm not sure that it's a DE that they need, but a big DT that clogs the middle - Robertson is too small.

IMO, the Jets need to improve both the offensive and defensive line... and specifically the following:

DT (1st priority)

CB

OG

RT

ETA: I think Washington can be the feature back with the Jets - the kid has tons of talent and has shown last year when Houston was out that he can handle the full load.

I disagree with you first statement. They played hard for a rivalry game, the whole year would be a better indicator of how they play for Mangini

Bri said:

I disagree with you first statement. They played hard for a rivalry game, the whole year would be a better indicator of how they play for Mangini

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I agree...also they should let Washington play more snaps...the guy makes plays you could have another Westbrook maybe if you give him a chance.

lookatthepatterns said:

Seeing the Jets play today you can see that they play hard for coach Mangini and he obvioulsy hasn't lost the team. That is a huge feat given their record. Not with that said Mangini has to make some changes to the coaching staff and we need to add a lot of pieces of both sides of the ball. More so on offense, but the defense has some obvious holes also. Heres my list of things the Jets need to do in the offseason to head in the right direction to be a Super Bowl contender someday with Mangini...1. Draft a Franchise QB- Say what you want about other aspects of the team but this is what the Jets have lacked since Namath. They need their own Manning, Brady, or Favre to build around. We will obviously have a top 5 pick and we need to go get Brohm, whatever it takes. If we have to move up we can deal Vilma with Harris playing so well. Seeing Clemens play, there are no signs he will be a starting QB in the league. I know he was a 2nd Round pick but the Jets have to bite the bullet and admit it was a mistake and remedy it by taking Brohm. Nobody will be second guessing the move.2. Draft a Defensive End- The Jets have absolutely no pass rush. The only time they get after the QB is when they bring the house. Ellis is finished and we have nobody else to rush the QB. Having someone who can sack the QB without blitzing obviously helps out other areas of the defense. Now with that said they cant draft a DE in the 1st Round...especially in the top 5. There are rumors they like Howie Longs son who plays in Virginia. Big mistake if they draft him instead of a QB. They can get a quality pass rusher in the 2nd round. 3. RG/RT- Since giving away Kendall, the Jets right side has been horrendous. They cant run block or pass protect. They can fill these voids either in Free Agency or in the draft.4. DT- Jets fans know what a disaster Dwayne Robertson has been know and we all cant wait for him to exit left. He is vastly undersized and it shows in how our run defense has been over the years. We need a huge, athletic tackle to battle in the trenches. Again we can fill this through the draft or free agency.5. RB- Now I know we have Thomas Jones for only one season but we have to honestly decide if he is going to be the long term answer in New York. he will be 30 soon enough and that is the beginning of the end for RBs. I know the Jets were extremely interested in Michael Turner and he will be an unrestricted free agent. Tough call but since the Jets gave up next to nothing to get Jones they need to go get Turner and let him take charge of the offense with a new QB and they will grow together. Turner will be a top 10 back when given the chance. 6. WR- Cotchery is a great WR but he is no #1. Coles has been a warrrior for the Jets but he has been banged up this season and he is getting up there in age. They need to bring in a playmaker at WR desperately. 7. Coaches- Schottenheimer and Sutton are extremely suspect as offensive and defensive coordinators. Schottenheimer has been very conservative since day one. Most Jets fans thought it was because of Pennington but since Clemens took over its the same story. Some of his decisions have been god awful and he needs to re-evalute what he is trying to do on offense. I am not saying he needs to go, but Mangini needs to seriously review the offense with him and overhaul it. As far as Sutton goes, he needs to go. I think for the most part, Mangini has already taken charge of the defense since the bye week and Sutton is only DC but name only. Rumors are Monte Kiffin will be joining his son in Oakland paving the way for Ryan to come to the Jets. Remember Ryan was rumored to be the Jets DC before Mangini named Sutton. Ryan would be a huge sigining for the defense.

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1. I don't think the Jets should give up on Clemens yet. He has a lot of potential and is too young and has not gotten enough of a chance to give up on at this point. This o-line would make a lot of QBs look worse than they actually are.2. IIRC the Jets play a 3-4, which means they need an OLB like Ware to generate a pass rush more than they need a DE. I completely agree that they need to significantly improve their pass rush, though. Chris Long is going to be a very good player IMO and he would definitely help the Jets (or just about any team), but I don't know enough about him to say whether he would be a better fit in a 4-3 or 3-4 defense.3. I completely agree and IMO this should be priority #1 on the offense. Even Ferguson has not been living up to expectations. Mangold is the only good o-lineman on this team. Jake Long should get strong consideration with their 1st round pick.4. Agreed. They need a huge space-eater who can fit into the 3-4.5. Jones is pretty average but the Jets have bigger needs. With an improved o-line, Jones and Washington would be a pretty good duo at RB. That said, McFadden is probably going to be that special kind of playmaker that even if RB isn't the biggest need on the team, you still have to take him as long as RB is at least somewhat of a need.6. Coles is going to be 30 years old in a couple of weeks. For a WR that is not getting up there in age at all. He and Cotchery are a good starting duo, but they have nothing after them. They definitely need to improve their depth here. I would put this position ahead of RB as far as needs on the offensive side of the ball.

1. Draft a Franchise QB- Say what you want about other aspects of the team but this is what the Jets have lacked since Namath. They need their own Manning, Brady, or Favre to build around. We will obviously have a top 5 pick and we need to go get Brohm, whatever it takes. If we have to move up we can deal Vilma with Harris playing so well. Seeing Clemens play, there are no signs he will be a starting QB in the league. I know he was a 2nd Round pick but the Jets have to bite the bullet and admit it was a mistake and remedy it by taking Brohm. Nobody will be second guessing the move.

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Is Brohm really the answer at QB? If I were the Jets I'd give Clemens a year as the full time starter and take Dorsey or Long if possible and give the D some help.

Patoons said:

Robertson is just not in the system built for him - he needs to be in a 4-3.... same thing with Vilma. It's really a waste of talent to have these guys in this system. I'm not sure that it's a DE that they need, but a big DT that clogs the middle - Robertson is too small.IMO, the Jets need to improve both the offensive and defensive line... and specifically the followingT (1st priority)CB OG RTETA: I think Washington can be the feature back with the Jets - the kid has tons of talent and has shown last year when Houston was out that he can handle the full load.

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The Jets certainly need a monster DT if they want to continue on with the 3-4 project. However, with my limited knowledge of college players along with the analysis I've seen in mocks (mostly on this board) it doesn't seem like there is a DT close to being a worthwhile selection with a top 5 pick. I believe Chris Long plays in a 3-4 at Virginia, and given that Shaun Ellis is aging and Kenyon Coleman is more of a depth guy, I think Long is definitely a fit. Jake Long should get some consideration too, but a lot of this is going to depend on the combine. I'm not sure he definitely projects to a top 5 pick - plus if he is drafted - do the Jets have him play RT?

IMO Clemens has showed nothing. If he played the entire game today we wouldve lost 40-10 on turnovers. We cant waste another year on a QB who wont be our future QB. Having the top 5 pick forces us to look at the position. We played Clemens this year for a reason. That reason was to see what we had. To be honest, I dont think Mangini is too impressed.

We cant use another 1st Round pick on an OL. Thats like the Lions taking WRs every year and they still stink. Taking Long in the 1st Round is too risky, especially because we dont know if he can play the 3-4 and he maybe overrated based on who his father is. I think it would be a big mistake.

The Jets do need another LB but drafting one too high would be a waste. FA would be the way to go here.

Coles is only 30 but hes been banged up and hes not a WR that instills fear in opposing defenses. Hes a #2 on most teams. Honestly I like Cotchery a lot better as our #2 to go alongside a better WR. Rumors are Coles in looking to go to KC to be with Herm. He was a warrior but its time to go.

my offseason thoughts on the JEts.....

Coaching

Mangini and staff have taken a huge step back this year IMO. They get a pass but if it continues he may find himself on the hot seat. Mangini needs to show improvement in 2008 - both in playcalling, gameplanning, etc - its good to see the team has not quit. He is in trouble next year only if there is another train wreck season.

He needs to look back and the differences between this year and last - in 2006 he pushed all the right buttons - when to go for it - when to make a trick play - gameplans, adjustents, etc - this year it seems he is way too timid and has caught the play not to lose disease. He needs to get his swagger back. Also has mismanaged gadget plays (always running with Brad Smith).

Also I would like to see him quit the CIA tactics and just concentrate on football. Bellijerk can act like an ### cause he has won Super Bowls. IMO Mangini looks like a deer in the headlights with his media sidesteps and injury coverups - it looks amateur - I hope he stops it.

Free Agency

Its time to spend some money. That doesnt mean throw a bunch of cash at an old player - nor does it mean spread a bunch of cash out among 6-7 JAGs to hold the fort. I think the FO needs to target 3-4 impact players and go hard after them to try and land 2 of them. I would prefer to land 1 premier OL (hopefully younger than Fancea) and Assante Samuel. The rest of the cash (whatever is left) can be used to plug holes with the also rans they usually land. There is no doubt they need to land 2 impact players in FA and spend money to do it for once.

A premiere FA OL would mitigate the need to blow another 1st rder on an OL and take on in the 3rd or 4th rd where the value OL are located. Samuel, Revis and Rhodes would give the Jets a fantastic young secondary which is critical vs the Pass happy Pats and Colts.

KC will get another year - he has shown glimpses and isnot a train wreck - I would deal Chad for a pick and bring in a veteran backup. I love Chad but the page has turned and we need him gone in order to move on. Maybe draft another long term QB prospect with the Chad pick to develop

Vilma is a good player but a bad fit - I think if he is healthy we could get a late 2nd or early 3rd for him - the move has to be made.

Draft

Enough with the character - Jets need playmakers. I dont care if they draft a bunch of U of Miami thugs as long as they can be impact players!

If the stud RB is there - you take him no questions asked

If not - I would try to trade down a few spots and get more picks. Jets will likely be in the 4-6 range which is a bit easier to trade out of. They have a ton of holes and need more picks than Jets have. If they can trade down to 10-12 and get another 2nd and 3rd rder I would do it.

If all this shakes out we could be looking at a top 12 1st rder; a top 5 2nd rder; a mid 2nd rder; 3 3rd rders (Vilma and a trade down); 2 4th rders (Chad deal), 5th, 6th, 7th.

That would land us 3 potential starters in the first 3 picks and 5 3rd and 4th rd picks to land one or 2 more starters.

Of those picks the focus should be:

1st rd - Best pass rusher

2nd rd - Tall WR who can stretch the field

2nd rd - Big Run stuffing DT

3rd rd - Big road grating OL

3rd rd - Athletic playmaking TE

3rd Rd - LB depth

4th rd - DL depth

4th rd - QB project

5th - BAP

6th - BAP

7th - BAP

This type of offseason could replenish the talent level on this team which is critical - that combined with a retro 2006 coaching style could turn this team around

Yes everything hinges on KC - but honestly the kid has shown enough glimpses to hand him the reigns in 2008. 1st year struggle for a QB are the norm: Simms, Peyton, etc - give the kid a better OL, a running game, a healthy set of WRs with a new playmaker to stretch the field, another pass catching TE and watch him develop.

Thomas Jones is not a difference maker but he can hold the fort another year - improving the OL is much more important IMO.

Kendall was the left guard, not the right guard. Brandon Moore has always been the right guard.

That said, LG and RT (Clement) need to go. RG could use an upgrade, too.

I agree that Clemens hasnt been a trainwreck but he hasnt shown any glimpses of potential either. I think the Jets put Clemens in there after we were out of it to see what we had with him. If you were Mangini would you be confident with him in going into next season? If the Jets have a shot at taking the best QB in the draft why wouldnt we? Basically there would be no difference between going with him or Clemens since Clemens would be going in with very limited experience. Especially if he is gone for the season after today. DE is our biggest need but we cant afford to pass up on a Franchise QB to take a DE who may or not fit into the 3-4. When was the last time the Jets had a shot at the best QB coming out of college and we had a need at QB?

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I agree that Clemens hasnt been a trainwreck but he hasnt shown any glimpses of potential either. I think the Jets put Clemens in there after we were out of it to see what we had with him. If you were Mangini would you be confident with him in going into next season? If the Jets have a shot at taking the best QB in the draft why wouldnt we? Basically there would be no difference between going with him or Clemens since Clemens would be going in with very limited experience. Especially if he is gone for the season after today. DE is our biggest need but we cant afford to pass up on a Franchise QB to take a DE who may or not fit into the 3-4. When was the last time the Jets had a shot at the best QB coming out of college and we had a need at QB?

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I'm reminded of Vince Young and Leinart from 2 yrs ago - how did those 2 guys work out? QB drafted in the top 10 get uber cap busting deals - would rather roll with KC another year. The guy is out there with a JV OL at 3 spots; mediocre RB, banged up WRs - lets see how he is with a reloaded OL and a playmaker at RB or WR. Continue to build the OL and DL - the QB will develop - can't bail in 4 games - see PEyton, Simms, etc

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I agree that Clemens hasnt been a trainwreck but he hasnt shown any glimpses of potential either. I think the Jets put Clemens in there after we were out of it to see what we had with him. If you were Mangini would you be confident with him in going into next season? If the Jets have a shot at taking the best QB in the draft why wouldnt we? Basically there would be no difference between going with him or Clemens since Clemens would be going in with very limited experience. Especially if he is gone for the season after today. DE is our biggest need but we cant afford to pass up on a Franchise QB to take a DE who may or not fit into the 3-4. When was the last time the Jets had a shot at the best QB coming out of college and we had a need at QB?

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Because Clemens would have 2 additional years of NFL experience, and 2 additional years of experience in this offensive system.

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lookatthepatterns said:

I agree that Clemens hasnt been a trainwreck but he hasnt shown any glimpses of potential either. I think the Jets put Clemens in there after we were out of it to see what we had with him. If you were Mangini would you be confident with him in going into next season? If the Jets have a shot at taking the best QB in the draft why wouldnt we? Basically there would be no difference between going with him or Clemens since Clemens would be going in with very limited experience. Especially if he is gone for the season after today. DE is our biggest need but we cant afford to pass up on a Franchise QB to take a DE who may or not fit into the 3-4. When was the last time the Jets had a shot at the best QB coming out of college and we had a need at QB?

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I'm reminded of Vince Young and Leinart from 2 yrs ago - how did those 2 guys work out? QB drafted in the top 10 get uber cap busting deals - would rather roll with KC another year. The guy is out there with a JV OL at 3 spots; mediocre RB, banged up WRs - lets see how he is with a reloaded OL and a playmaker at RB or WR. Continue to build the OL and DL - the QB will develop - can't bail in 4 games - see PEyton, Simms, etc

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IMO Cutler was the best in that class and anyway there wasnt a QB that was head of the class. Brohm is the head of the class and has been touted for many years. I wouldnt argue if we take McFadden but we NEED a playmaker on offense. We cant draft another OL in the 1st Round.

i'm a firm believer in the lines make the team. I dont care who you have at QB, if they dont get any protection, they are gonna suck. Plain and simple. Brian Brohm is not the answer for the Jets. I'm not even sold on him being a good NFL QB, let alone willing to draft him in the Top 5. No WAY. They need to build their offensive and defensive line up. It's been shown time and time again that RB's and servicable WR's can be found easily. You need a line that can pass protect in order to have a successful QB. Sure there are a select few cases in league history, but it's an extremely one sided argument proving protection = success

lookatthepatterns said:

Seeing the Jets play today you can see that they play hard for coach Mangini and he obvioulsy hasn't lost the team. That is a huge feat given their record. Not with that said Mangini has to make some changes to the coaching staff and we need to add a lot of pieces of both sides of the ball. More so on offense, but the defense has some obvious holes also. Heres my list of things the Jets need to do in the offseason to head in the right direction to be a Super Bowl contender someday with Mangini...1. Draft a Franchise QB- Say what you want about other aspects of the team but this is what the Jets have lacked since Namath. They need their own Manning, Brady, or Favre to build around. We will obviously have a top 5 pick and we need to go get Brohm, whatever it takes. If we have to move up we can deal Vilma with Harris playing so well. Seeing Clemens play, there are no signs he will be a starting QB in the league. I know he was a 2nd Round pick but the Jets have to bite the bullet and admit it was a mistake and remedy it by taking Brohm. Nobody will be second guessing the move.2. Draft a Defensive End- The Jets have absolutely no pass rush. The only time they get after the QB is when they bring the house. Ellis is finished and we have nobody else to rush the QB. Having someone who can sack the QB without blitzing obviously helps out other areas of the defense. Now with that said they cant draft a DE in the 1st Round...especially in the top 5. There are rumors they like Howie Longs son who plays in Virginia. Big mistake if they draft him instead of a QB. They can get a quality pass rusher in the 2nd round. 3. RG/RT- Since giving away Kendall, the Jets right side has been horrendous. They cant run block or pass protect. They can fill these voids either in Free Agency or in the draft.4. DT- Jets fans know what a disaster Dwayne Robertson has been know and we all cant wait for him to exit left. He is vastly undersized and it shows in how our run defense has been over the years. We need a huge, athletic tackle to battle in the trenches. Again we can fill this through the draft or free agency.5. RB- Now I know we have Thomas Jones for only one season but we have to honestly decide if he is going to be the long term answer in New York. he will be 30 soon enough and that is the beginning of the end for RBs. I know the Jets were extremely interested in Michael Turner and he will be an unrestricted free agent. Tough call but since the Jets gave up next to nothing to get Jones they need to go get Turner and let him take charge of the offense with a new QB and they will grow together. Turner will be a top 10 back when given the chance. 6. WR- Cotchery is a great WR but he is no #1. Coles has been a warrrior for the Jets but he has been banged up this season and he is getting up there in age. They need to bring in a playmaker at WR desperately. 7. Coaches- Schottenheimer and Sutton are extremely suspect as offensive and defensive coordinators. Schottenheimer has been very conservative since day one. Most Jets fans thought it was because of Pennington but since Clemens took over its the same story. Some of his decisions have been god awful and he needs to re-evalute what he is trying to do on offense. I am not saying he needs to go, but Mangini needs to seriously review the offense with him and overhaul it. As far as Sutton goes, he needs to go. I think for the most part, Mangini has already taken charge of the defense since the bye week and Sutton is only DC but name only. Rumors are Monte Kiffin will be joining his son in Oakland paving the way for Ryan to come to the Jets. Remember Ryan was rumored to be the Jets DC before Mangini named Sutton. Ryan would be a huge sigining for the defense.

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1. Strongly disagree. The O line can't pass protect worth a darn, and until they can, we won't know what Clemens can and cannot do. You don't want too much... just a Favre, Manning or Brady. Right.2. DE's aren't sack artists, so I don't think you understand their role in a 3-4 defense. B Thomas was supposed to be the sack LB this year, and he has been invisable. You want a pass rush, get a very fast OLB.3. Kendall played on the left side. having said that, Ferguson is a barely average LT, we have no LG (Kendall's old spoy) and we have no RT. The only good O lineman is Mangold. Moore is below average at RG. We need at least 3 starting O linemen.4. Robertson has NOT been a disaster, nor is he VASTLY undersized. he just isn't suited to playing NT.Sorry, but wrong again. You want an athletic NT? But he has to be bigger than Robertson? An athletic 330 pound run stuffer. Right.5. Right now RB is at the VERY bottom of the list. NO RB could be productive behind this ##### run blocking O line. Wrong again.6. Finally... you got one right. The Jets need a big fast Brandon Marshall type, and a burner that can go deep. 7. Schotty has been conservative since day one? LOL, man you got that wrong. Last year he was a river boat gambler, this year much more conservatrive, but giving Brad Smith two full series at NE can hardly be called conservative. Sutton is running Mangini's syatem. You don't like it, blame Mangini. Wrong again. But hey, one outa seven aint bad.

Loopdog said:

i'm a firm believer in the lines make the team. I dont care who you have at QB, if they dont get any protection, they are gonna suck. Plain and simple. Brian Brohm is not the answer for the Jets. I'm not even sold on him being a good NFL QB, let alone willing to draft him in the Top 5. No WAY. They need to build their offensive and defensive line up. It's been shown time and time again that RB's and servicable WR's can be found easily. You need a line that can pass protect in order to have a successful QB. Sure there are a select few cases in league history, but it's an extremely one sided argument proving protection = success

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I agree - Brohm looks like a system QB to me - Ryan may be the better pro but neither are top 5 worthy for the JEts IMO. I go McFadden or best available DL passrusher - you can sign a mauling OL in FA then draft a solid playmaking WR in the 2nd rd. Too risky to draft a top 5 QB with the $ it takes to sign them - unless they are a can't miss prospect why roll the dice. Even Cutler has not looked great - but he was taken out of the top 10 so his contract was not crazy.

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Seeing the Jets play today you can see that they play hard for coach Mangini and he obvioulsy hasn't lost the team. That is a huge feat given their record. Not with that said Mangini has to make some changes to the coaching staff and we need to add a lot of pieces of both sides of the ball. More so on offense, but the defense has some obvious holes also. Heres my list of things the Jets need to do in the offseason to head in the right direction to be a Super Bowl contender someday with Mangini...1. Draft a Franchise QB- Say what you want about other aspects of the team but this is what the Jets have lacked since Namath. They need their own Manning, Brady, or Favre to build around. We will obviously have a top 5 pick and we need to go get Brohm, whatever it takes. If we have to move up we can deal Vilma with Harris playing so well. Seeing Clemens play, there are no signs he will be a starting QB in the league. I know he was a 2nd Round pick but the Jets have to bite the bullet and admit it was a mistake and remedy it by taking Brohm. Nobody will be second guessing the move.2. Draft a Defensive End- The Jets have absolutely no pass rush. The only time they get after the QB is when they bring the house. Ellis is finished and we have nobody else to rush the QB. Having someone who can sack the QB without blitzing obviously helps out other areas of the defense. Now with that said they cant draft a DE in the 1st Round...especially in the top 5. There are rumors they like Howie Longs son who plays in Virginia. Big mistake if they draft him instead of a QB. They can get a quality pass rusher in the 2nd round. 3. RG/RT- Since giving away Kendall, the Jets right side has been horrendous. They cant run block or pass protect. They can fill these voids either in Free Agency or in the draft.4. DT- Jets fans know what a disaster Dwayne Robertson has been know and we all cant wait for him to exit left. He is vastly undersized and it shows in how our run defense has been over the years. We need a huge, athletic tackle to battle in the trenches. Again we can fill this through the draft or free agency.5. RB- Now I know we have Thomas Jones for only one season but we have to honestly decide if he is going to be the long term answer in New York. he will be 30 soon enough and that is the beginning of the end for RBs. I know the Jets were extremely interested in Michael Turner and he will be an unrestricted free agent. Tough call but since the Jets gave up next to nothing to get Jones they need to go get Turner and let him take charge of the offense with a new QB and they will grow together. Turner will be a top 10 back when given the chance. 6. WR- Cotchery is a great WR but he is no #1. Coles has been a warrrior for the Jets but he has been banged up this season and he is getting up there in age. They need to bring in a playmaker at WR desperately. 7. Coaches- Schottenheimer and Sutton are extremely suspect as offensive and defensive coordinators. Schottenheimer has been very conservative since day one. Most Jets fans thought it was because of Pennington but since Clemens took over its the same story. Some of his decisions have been god awful and he needs to re-evalute what he is trying to do on offense. I am not saying he needs to go, but Mangini needs to seriously review the offense with him and overhaul it. As far as Sutton goes, he needs to go. I think for the most part, Mangini has already taken charge of the defense since the bye week and Sutton is only DC but name only. Rumors are Monte Kiffin will be joining his son in Oakland paving the way for Ryan to come to the Jets. Remember Ryan was rumored to be the Jets DC before Mangini named Sutton. Ryan would be a huge sigining for the defense.

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1. Strongly disagree. The O line can't pass protect worth a darn, and until they can, we won't know what Clemens can and cannot do. You don't want too much... just a Favre, Manning or Brady. Right.2. DE's aren't sack artists, so I don't think you understand their role in a 3-4 defense. B Thomas was supposed to be the sack LB this year, and he has been invisable. You want a pass rush, get a very fast OLB.3. Kendall played on the left side. having said that, Ferguson is a barely average LT, we have no LG (Kendall's old spoy) and we have no RT. The only good O lineman is Mangold. Moore is below average at RG. We need at least 3 starting O linemen.4. Robertson has NOT been a disaster, nor is he VASTLY undersized. he just isn't suited to playing NT.Sorry, but wrong again. You want an athletic NT? But he has to be bigger than Robertson? An athletic 330 pound run stuffer. Right.5. Right now RB is at the VERY bottom of the list. NO RB could be productive behind this ##### run blocking O line. Wrong again.6. Finally... you got one right. The Jets need a big fast Brandon Marshall type, and a burner that can go deep. 7. Schotty has been conservative since day one? LOL, man you got that wrong. Last year he was a river boat gambler, this year much more conservatrive, but giving Brad Smith two full series at NE can hardly be called conservative. Sutton is running Mangini's syatem. You don't like it, blame Mangini. Wrong again. But hey, one outa seven aint bad.

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I'm with you Rovers - how can you judge KC with an awful OL and his 2 best WRs injured? Add two OL in FA like Andrews and Faneca, a healthy Coles, Cotch with a first day WR as a #3 (please cut J MAc before he even gets on the bus tonight - and Brad Smith is a #4 at best) - and watch how KC plays! Only would change it if McFadden falls into JEts lap - dying for a playmaker like that! JEts have a ton of money to spend in FA - hope they put it to good use!

i'm a firm believer in the lines make the team. I dont care who you have at QB, if they dont get any protection, they are gonna suck. Plain and simple. Brian Brohm is not the answer for the Jets. I'm not even sold on him being a good NFL QB, let alone willing to draft him in the Top 5. No WAY. They need to build their offensive and defensive line up. It's been shown time and time again that RB's and servicable WR's can be found easily. You need a line that can pass protect in order to have a successful QB. Sure there are a select few cases in league history, but it's an extremely one sided argument proving protection = success

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Exactly. Look what Joe Thomas has done for the Browns. Has he even given up a sack all season? Anderson wouldn't be having half the year he is now without the protection he is getting.

Harris sold me today as the next big time LB when he annihilated Maroney for the TD with a head of steam after the Washinton blocked punt. That's the type of guy you want to build D around.

Clemens will be fine.

One thing I noticed about Clemens is that he could very well have set the record for largest shoulder pads. I mean did he pick up an OL's pads by mistake? He looked ridiculous. How do you throw a pass when your pads are 1/2 way up your helmet?

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i'm a firm believer in the lines make the team. I dont care who you have at QB, if they dont get any protection, they are gonna suck. Plain and simple. Brian Brohm is not the answer for the Jets. I'm not even sold on him being a good NFL QB, let alone willing to draft him in the Top 5. No WAY. They need to build their offensive and defensive line up. It's been shown time and time again that RB's and servicable WR's can be found easily. You need a line that can pass protect in order to have a successful QB. Sure there are a select few cases in league history, but it's an extremely one sided argument proving protection = success

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Exactly. Look what Joe Thomas has done for the Browns. Has he even given up a sack all season? Anderson wouldn't be having half the year he is now without the protection he is getting.

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Really hurts to see that - JT is a stud and worth the top pick he was - Brick has been an avg LT project which is not what I expected with a top 5 LT pick. He is not a complete bust like Gallery but he is not a mauling stud like JT. Still he is a serviceable LT with upside - especially in pass protection - he is too thin and really needs to get his butt in the gym and add muscle to that frame - he looks like a TE. The JEts are dying for a mauling RT and G - hope they can get these in FA. IF the top OL Doresy falls to them - may have to give him a look. Would really help the offense.

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NEUPJ said:

i'm a firm believer in the lines make the team. I dont care who you have at QB, if they dont get any protection, they are gonna suck. Plain and simple. Brian Brohm is not the answer for the Jets. I'm not even sold on him being a good NFL QB, let alone willing to draft him in the Top 5. No WAY. They need to build their offensive and defensive line up. It's been shown time and time again that RB's and servicable WR's can be found easily. You need a line that can pass protect in order to have a successful QB. Sure there are a select few cases in league history, but it's an extremely one sided argument proving protection = success

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Exactly. Look what Joe Thomas has done for the Browns. Has he even given up a sack all season? Anderson wouldn't be having half the year he is now without the protection he is getting.

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Really hurts to see that - JT is a stud and worth the top pick he was - Brick has been an avg LT project which is not what I expected with a top 5 LT pick. He is not a complete bust like Gallery but he is not a mauling stud like JT. Still he is a serviceable LT with upside - especially in pass protection - he is too thin and really needs to get his butt in the gym and add muscle to that frame - he looks like a TE. The JEts are dying for a mauling RT and G - hope they can get these in FA. IF the top OL Doresy falls to them - may have to give him a look. Would really help the offense.

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Not sure how many FA O-lineman there are this year that fit the bill. Faneca is obviously the biggest name and would provide a great upgrade, but for the amount of money he apparently wants, and given his age, he won't be worth it.You mentioned Dorsey and OL together - I don't know if you meant to say DL or if you were talking about Jake Long. Either way - I don't see why Jake Long wouldn't be there when the Jets pick, but can you really justify drafting an RT that early in the draft? Unless the plan would be to shift Brick to RT, but that's just speculation. As far Dorsey, the guy is a phenomenal player, but I don't know exactly where he would play in this 3-4. I think he only weighs around 280-290, so he wouldn't be the Jets' answer at the nose, and if he were drafted for the sake of being a DE, well then you'd probably be better off drafting Chris Long.

All this O-line talk while I watch Jets on the Redskins is very odd.

Jets GM better be watching this game. He's had a terrible year.

Hire Anthony Munoz or John Hannah or.....geesh Jumbo Elliot to work with Ferguson. The talent and ability is soooo there. They are not going to land a more talented lineman in the draft and youth+talent they won't land a better prospect in FA. Make it work, some teams would give up alot for a talent like that.

The openning day LBers could all be gone OR Mangini will come to his senses and play the 4-3.

They look like the Browns of a few years ago when Romeo first started and it's just too odd when there is talent right there. Why can't he take a page from BB, Romeo, and Parcells(like he does with everything else) and play some 4-3 some 3-4 like they used to?

His ego got in the way with Kendall and he was never replaced well. That line was doing well in 06. He should have either found a way to make it work with Pete or replaced him. Everyone knew he was a solid player and it would be big shoes to fill, except him apparently.

IF IF IF Curtis truly does have the backers and can get in with buying the Fins, watch how many Jets walk. If he's an owner, former Pats, Jets, and now Browns coaches could all be going there. Grantham is a hot coaching candidate. Mangini could lose some staff to him. He needs to have a solid foundation where everyone wants to be a part of it or else he's at risk here.

NY is not kind to coaches. He'd better right this ship in 08 or he's done.

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Kiddnets said:

NEUPJ said:

i'm a firm believer in the lines make the team. I dont care who you have at QB, if they dont get any protection, they are gonna suck. Plain and simple. Brian Brohm is not the answer for the Jets. I'm not even sold on him being a good NFL QB, let alone willing to draft him in the Top 5. No WAY. They need to build their offensive and defensive line up. It's been shown time and time again that RB's and servicable WR's can be found easily. You need a line that can pass protect in order to have a successful QB. Sure there are a select few cases in league history, but it's an extremely one sided argument proving protection = success

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Exactly. Look what Joe Thomas has done for the Browns. Has he even given up a sack all season? Anderson wouldn't be having half the year he is now without the protection he is getting.

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Really hurts to see that - JT is a stud and worth the top pick he was - Brick has been an avg LT project which is not what I expected with a top 5 LT pick. He is not a complete bust like Gallery but he is not a mauling stud like JT. Still he is a serviceable LT with upside - especially in pass protection - he is too thin and really needs to get his butt in the gym and add muscle to that frame - he looks like a TE. The JEts are dying for a mauling RT and G - hope they can get these in FA. IF the top OL Doresy falls to them - may have to give him a look. Would really help the offense.

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Not sure how many FA O-lineman there are this year that fit the bill. Faneca is obviously the biggest name and would provide a great upgrade, but for the amount of money he apparently wants, and given his age, he won't be worth it.You mentioned Dorsey and OL together - I don't know if you meant to say DL or if you were talking about Jake Long. Either way - I don't see why Jake Long wouldn't be there when the Jets pick, but can you really justify drafting an RT that early in the draft? Unless the plan would be to shift Brick to RT, but that's just speculation. As far Dorsey, the guy is a phenomenal player, but I don't know exactly where he would play in this 3-4. I think he only weighs around 280-290, so he wouldn't be the Jets' answer at the nose, and if he were drafted for the sake of being a DE, well then you'd probably be better off drafting Chris Long.

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Yep - meant Jake Long - high for a RT but if they fail to land a big time OL in FA then I would do it if he grades out as the best player. Andrews should be out there in FA - would be a nice RT for the JEts. Then only draft a mauling guard. I think Moore is serviceable for anothe ryr but Clark/Clement are the suck!Add Andrews and a top G in the draft - plus a tall WR and watch KC develop. Way too soon to give up on the kid and Brohm/Ryan are just not no brainer franchise QB picks IMO

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We cant use another 1st Round pick on an OL. Thats like the Lions taking WRs every year and they still stink.

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Solid logic here.

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I agree that Clemens hasnt been a trainwreck but he hasnt shown any glimpses of potential either. I think the Jets put Clemens in there after we were out of it to see what we had with him. If you were Mangini would you be confident with him in going into next season? If the Jets have a shot at taking the best QB in the draft why wouldnt we? Basically there would be no difference between going with him or Clemens since Clemens would be going in with very limited experience. Especially if he is gone for the season after today. DE is our biggest need but we cant afford to pass up on a Franchise QB to take a DE who may or not fit into the 3-4. When was the last time the Jets had a shot at the best QB coming out of college and we had a need at QB?

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I'm reminded of Vince Young and Leinart from 2 yrs ago - how did those 2 guys work out? QB drafted in the top 10 get uber cap busting deals - would rather roll with KC another year. The guy is out there with a JV OL at 3 spots; mediocre RB, banged up WRs - lets see how he is with a reloaded OL and a playmaker at RB or WR. Continue to build the OL and DL - the QB will develop - can't bail in 4 games - see PEyton, Simms, etc

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IMO Cutler was the best in that class and anyway there wasnt a QB that was head of the class. Brohm is the head of the class and has been touted for many years. I wouldnt argue if we take McFadden but we NEED a playmaker on offense. We cant draft another OL in the 1st Round.

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Young/Leinart >>>> Brohm.

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All this O-line talk while I watch Jets on the Redskins is very odd.Jets GM better be watching this game. He's had a terrible year.Hire Anthony Munoz or John Hannah or.....geesh Jumbo Elliot to work with Ferguson. The talent and ability is soooo there. They are not going to land a more talented lineman in the draft and youth+talent they won't land a better prospect in FA. Make it work, some teams would give up alot for a talent like that.The openning day LBers could all be gone OR Mangini will come to his senses and play the 4-3. They look like the Browns of a few years ago when Romeo first started and it's just too odd when there is talent right there. Why can't he take a page from BB, Romeo, and Parcells(like he does with everything else) and play some 4-3 some 3-4 like they used to? His ego got in the way with Kendall and he was never replaced well. That line was doing well in 06. He should have either found a way to make it work with Pete or replaced him. Everyone knew he was a solid player and it would be big shoes to fill, except him apparently.IF IF IF Curtis truly does have the backers and can get in with buying the Fins, watch how many Jets walk. If he's an owner, former Pats, Jets, and now Browns coaches could all be going there. Grantham is a hot coaching candidate. Mangini could lose some staff to him. He needs to have a solid foundation where everyone wants to be a part of it or else he's at risk here.NY is not kind to coaches. He'd better right this ship in 08 or he's done.

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The Jets actually brought in Lomas Brown to work with Brick this past offseason.

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sheerterror said:

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NEUPJ said:

i'm a firm believer in the lines make the team. I dont care who you have at QB, if they dont get any protection, they are gonna suck. Plain and simple. Brian Brohm is not the answer for the Jets. I'm not even sold on him being a good NFL QB, let alone willing to draft him in the Top 5. No WAY. They need to build their offensive and defensive line up. It's been shown time and time again that RB's and servicable WR's can be found easily. You need a line that can pass protect in order to have a successful QB. Sure there are a select few cases in league history, but it's an extremely one sided argument proving protection = success

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Exactly. Look what Joe Thomas has done for the Browns. Has he even given up a sack all season? Anderson wouldn't be having half the year he is now without the protection he is getting.

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Really hurts to see that - JT is a stud and worth the top pick he was - Brick has been an avg LT project which is not what I expected with a top 5 LT pick. He is not a complete bust like Gallery but he is not a mauling stud like JT. Still he is a serviceable LT with upside - especially in pass protection - he is too thin and really needs to get his butt in the gym and add muscle to that frame - he looks like a TE. The JEts are dying for a mauling RT and G - hope they can get these in FA. IF the top OL Doresy falls to them - may have to give him a look. Would really help the offense.

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Not sure how many FA O-lineman there are this year that fit the bill. Faneca is obviously the biggest name and would provide a great upgrade, but for the amount of money he apparently wants, and given his age, he won't be worth it.You mentioned Dorsey and OL together - I don't know if you meant to say DL or if you were talking about Jake Long. Either way - I don't see why Jake Long wouldn't be there when the Jets pick, but can you really justify drafting an RT that early in the draft? Unless the plan would be to shift Brick to RT, but that's just speculation. As far Dorsey, the guy is a phenomenal player, but I don't know exactly where he would play in this 3-4. I think he only weighs around 280-290, so he wouldn't be the Jets' answer at the nose, and if he were drafted for the sake of being a DE, well then you'd probably be better off drafting Chris Long.

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Yep - meant Jake Long - high for a RT but if they fail to land a big time OL in FA then I would do it if he grades out as the best player. Andrews should be out there in FA - would be a nice RT for the JEts. Then only draft a mauling guard. I think Moore is serviceable for anothe ryr but Clark/Clement are the suck!Add Andrews and a top G in the draft - plus a tall WR and watch KC develop. Way too soon to give up on the kid and Brohm/Ryan are just not no brainer franchise QB picks IMO

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Are we talking about Shawn Andrews or Stacy Andrews? I didn't think Stacy was regarded as much more than depth.

1. Strongly disagree. The O line can't pass protect worth a darn, and until they can, we won't know what Clemens can and cannot do. You don't want too much... just a Favre, Manning or Brady. Right.

2. DE's aren't sack artists, so I don't think you understand their role in a 3-4 defense. B Thomas was supposed to be the sack LB this year, and he has been invisable. You want a pass rush, get a very fast OLB.

3. Kendall played on the left side. having said that, Ferguson is a barely average LT, we have no LG (Kendall's old spoy) and we have no RT. The only good O lineman is Mangold. Moore is below average at RG. We need at least 3 starting O linemen.

4. Robertson has NOT been a disaster, nor is he VASTLY undersized. he just isn't suited to playing NT.Sorry, but wrong again. You want an athletic NT? But he has to be bigger than Robertson? An athletic 330 pound run stuffer. Right.

5. Right now RB is at the VERY bottom of the list. NO RB could be productive behind this ##### run blocking O line. Wrong again.

6. Finally... you got one right. The Jets need a big fast Brandon Marshall type, and a burner that can go deep.

7. Schotty has been conservative since day one? LOL, man you got that wrong. Last year he was a river boat gambler, this year much more conservatrive, but giving Brad Smith two full series at NE can hardly be called conservative. Sutton is running Mangini's syatem. You don't like it, blame Mangini. Wrong again.

But hey, one outa seven aint bad.

LOL! You sound like a genius but in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. I agree the OL needs help but we cant draft another OL in the 1st or 2nd Round. We have already invested two 1st Round picks in OL and we cant afford not to select some playmakers this season. Say what you want about Brohm but he has been highly touted by everyone around college football and the pros every year he was in college. But hey, what do they know. You know better than them. LOL! When is the last time the Jets drafted the top QB coming out of college? NEVER. The Jets are a losing franchise and they need to go against what they usually do to break their losing ways. Our OL is not too far away. A couple of FA siginings and well be alright. Its unbelievable to me, as a Jets fan, to listen to people who want them to draft another OL in the 1st Round. Its actually comical after a while.

2. Since we are getting technical here you are correct that DEs in the 3-4 arent known for sacking the QB but there are exceptions like Seymour. I meant we need someone who sacks the QB so that would be a LB or Seymour type player. DLs in the 3-4 are supposed to be strong against the run and protect the LBs. in conclusion we are both in agreement that Long would be a horrible pick here although we do need a DL that will allow our LBs more room to make plays. Lets move on.

3. I dont think you can label Brick a bust and he is definately not just an average LT. Obviously you havent seen him play. He has given up some sacks but he has shut down some of the best ends in the game. Did you see the Giants/Jets game? We need help on the line but we cant afford to waste a high pick on one.

4. Robertson is not a disaster? Talk to one Jets fan who thinks hes good. Since day one hes been a disaster. Google Robertson and undersized and see what you come up with. Hes not good in the 4-3 or 3-4. We moved up to get him in the draft and that was a mistake. End of story.

5. We need a playmaker on offense. Watching the Jets offense is like watching paint dry. If you want Clemens to be our QB then he needs weapons. Thomas Jones is not that player and neither is any of our WRs. If McFadden is sitting there and we arent looking QB when we draft we cant pass on him.

7. I am beginning to think you havent watched a Jets game this season. Yes BS was aggressive last season but teams have caught on to him and he hasnt adjusted. This season he has been treadful. Watching on TV you know what the Jets are calling based on their formations. For example when Jones is 8 yards behind the QB he is running the ball. When its 3rd and 8 we are throwing a 6 yard pass or it will be a draw. Its a joke. Giving Brad Smith those play calls were a joke. Even Phil Simms wondering what we were doing. It wasnt gambling, it was stupidity. Dont defend Sutton because right before our bye-week Mangini didnt. Read some of the NY papers sometime expert.

As you can see do not call out a knowledgeable Jets fan when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Whoa. Myself, along with probably every other Jet fan on here will agree that Rovers is one of, if not the most knowledgeable Jet fans that posts here, so I think you can leave the personal attacks out. You've been here all of 2 days, so I don't know where exactly you get off attempting to call someone out like this just because he disagrees with most of your points.

I don't think Rovers was suggesting to draft an o-lineman in the first round, just saying that the NYJ o-line has regressed from last year and is still a work in progress that needs help, both through the draft and FA.

Not really sure how you could say Long would be a horrible pick, when in all likelihood, he'd make a great pick. He's 6'4 280, which, to my understanding is great size as a 3-4 DE. He's a fantastic pass rusher and can defend well against the run. Given the holes on this team, it won't be hard to find a player with a top 3-5 pick that can step right in - but drafting Brohm, or even Ryan that early is a reach and not worth it to a team that has other pressing needs. There is no WR worthy of being drafted that high, so IMO, on the offensive side of the ball, the only player to consider is McFadden.

Defensively, the Jets have holes all along the DL and at LB'er. I think everybody is in agreement that there is no AJ Hawk caliber player in this draft that could justify a top 3-5 pick. Aside from Dorsey, no D tackle projects well enough yet to spend a high pick, and Dorsey to my knowledge doesn't have the size to be a NT. This leaves us at the DE position, where, as stated earlier, Long seems to be a good pick.

Obviously a ton of this depends on the combine, but as of right now, I think this team needs to either draft McFadden, Chris Long, or trade down and grab as many first day picks as possible.

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All this O-line talk while I watch Jets on the Redskins is very odd.Jets GM better be watching this game. He's had a terrible year.Hire Anthony Munoz or John Hannah or.....geesh Jumbo Elliot to work with Ferguson. The talent and ability is soooo there. They are not going to land a more talented lineman in the draft and youth+talent they won't land a better prospect in FA. Make it work, some teams would give up alot for a talent like that.The openning day LBers could all be gone OR Mangini will come to his senses and play the 4-3. They look like the Browns of a few years ago when Romeo first started and it's just too odd when there is talent right there. Why can't he take a page from BB, Romeo, and Parcells(like he does with everything else) and play some 4-3 some 3-4 like they used to? His ego got in the way with Kendall and he was never replaced well. That line was doing well in 06. He should have either found a way to make it work with Pete or replaced him. Everyone knew he was a solid player and it would be big shoes to fill, except him apparently.IF IF IF Curtis truly does have the backers and can get in with buying the Fins, watch how many Jets walk. If he's an owner, former Pats, Jets, and now Browns coaches could all be going there. Grantham is a hot coaching candidate. Mangini could lose some staff to him. He needs to have a solid foundation where everyone wants to be a part of it or else he's at risk here.NY is not kind to coaches. He'd better right this ship in 08 or he's done.

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Bri The Jets have mixed up fronts all year.. That was the goal and the defense all along... A combination of 3-4 and 4-3 that can change on the fly..... So far, whatever front they play, they STILL need a run stuffing clog in the middle..... I don't think it's as easy as "Hey Dummy Play the 4-3"....And Kendall played nasty hard ball with the Jets.. the Jets just did Kendalls contract and paid him well.... he saw an opportunity to back the Jets into a corner and use the media for his goal.. He got what he wanted - In the end he took the signing bonus he JUST signed and wound up making over 5 million dollars for 1 year.. PETE FREAKING KENDAL amade 5 million dollars!!!!Yes, they did some things wrong and should have stuck a boot in his rear a lot sooner but, this is the 3rd team Pete did this too.....Kendall was gone.. they should have drafted or gotten someone else though But, Screw Kendall.

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I disagree with you first statement. They played hard for a rivalry game, the whole year would be a better indicator of how they play for Mangini

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They played hard all year.. they didn't MAKE plays all year..... At the end of a lot of games, the Jets were in it and just didn't convert which is why Pennington was benched in the 1st place...Even last week Vs Cleveland.. The defense has played better and better all year.. the offense has played better at times but, has tried to start a young QB and has lost Coles and Cotchery at times....The only game they dropped totally was Dallas and I saw that coming - TWO days for Clemens to prep, on the road Vs a SB contender wasn't a great matchup for this team...They played hard all year so far... The next 2 games is the test...

yeah, i dont agree with most of this either....

1) Clemens hasnt had enough time to show anything. His O-line is bad and His WR's are badly wounded (coles has limped off every play for the last month) I'm not a big Brohm fan either. I think he's a system QB and I'm not sure he's that tough. I pass.

2) This i sort of agree with, although i wouldnt use our 2nd rounder here. in the 3-4, sacks dont dome from DE's.

3) Kendall played LG. But yeah, guard is a MAJOR need. I said all along that the jets should have paid Eric Steinbach whatever he wanted to come play guard. The jets guards have to be the worst set in the league. Add in a sub par RT and a LT that cant drive block and you have one of the worst units in the league. This is where the Jets need to spend that FA money. I know they cant bring in 3 new guys, but id spend big money on a guard and find the best RT available that isnt absurdly priced.

4) DT- We need to draft Dorsey from LSU. This should be the pick, no matter what. End of story. Plug him in at NT and slide Robertson over to DE(where he is better suited in a 3-4) With the emergence of David Harris, Run defense problems solved.

5) RB- Nope. Not the problem. The Guards and tackles are the problem. A 1-2 punch of TJ and Leon would be more than fine with good run blockers up front. The holes arent there now. Mcfaddon would be nice to watch, but I'm not sold on him being as good as AD. Id rather use the pick elsewhere. I dont want Turner either, as giving him $$ likely means no upgrades on the O-line or OLB.

6) WR- cothcery and coles are banged up, but a solid duo. I'd like a tall guy to stretch the field as well and wouldnt be opposed to spending a 2nd rounder or some decent FA money to go get him.

7) coaches- i havent been a huge fan this year, mainly because it took this regime way too long to make adjustments. I was against the conversion to a 3-4 because it effectively neutralized two high picks who had been close to pro-bowl players (vilma and D-rob) IMO, the sign of a good coach is using his players to create a system, not pounding talented guys into roles they shouldnt be filling.

Without looking at names in Free Agency, here would be my plan for the offseason...

round 1- Glen dorsey- Whatever it takes to get him. Its worth it.

Round 2- Best Pass rushing OLB available, or a guard if a good run blocker falls

round 3- RT, Guard or project WR

If possible, id give vilma a shot on the weakside. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd for him, id guess id do it. If not, ive give him a shot at WLB and see if he can get his pass rush and backside pursuit going again.

Id make a run at Samuel, but i dont think its gonna happen (as revis looks like the real deal.) Use the FA money on a RT, maybe a WR and an OLB.

I dont want a "franchise" QB, as i dont think any of the guys in this draft are. Brohm would be a massive mistake. He's soft.

Honestly, I'd go defensive line twice in the first three rounds of the draft. I'd also look in free agency in the offseason for the right side of the offensive line.

How are the Jets capwise?

The QB, RB's and WR's are probably some of the lowest priorities on this team, as everyone that they have at the skilled positions is at least serviceable. The defense, which has been the strength of the team in past years, has really let the Jets down.

Jetdoc said:

Honestly, I'd go defensive line twice in the first three rounds of the draft. I'd also look in free agency in the offseason for the right side of the offensive line.How are the Jets capwise?The QB, RB's and WR's are probably some of the lowest priorities on this team, as everyone that they have at the skilled positions is at least serviceable. The defense, which has been the strength of the team in past years, has really let the Jets down.

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Jets are in great cap position - they should have close to $30M to spend after finally digging out of the the Herm/Badaway error. The defense has actually been very good since the bye - its the offense that has been terrible - they need playmakers on both side of the ball - gotta take the best playmaker on either side of the ball regardless of position IMO. When you are a three win team you don't draft for need. Looking at the Jets carefully who would you be devastated to lose? I come up with Mangold, Cotchery, Harris, Revis and Rhodes - That is FIVE players on the entire roster! Maybe you can talk me into Brick's upside but who else is a top player? That is not good! They need to replenish the team with big bodies (have ben undersized for too long) and playmakers - I would trade everything not nailed down (Chad, Vilma, D Rob, etc) to get more picks. Even trade down if possible to get more - this team is not one player away but can compete next year if they make the right moves.

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Bri said:

I disagree with you first statement. They played hard for a rivalry game, the whole year would be a better indicator of how they play for Mangini

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They played hard all year.. they didn't MAKE plays all year..... At the end of a lot of games, the Jets were in it and just didn't convert which is why Pennington was benched in the 1st place...Even last week Vs Cleveland.. The defense has played better and better all year.. the offense has played better at times but, has tried to start a young QB and has lost Coles and Cotchery at times....The only game they dropped totally was Dallas and I saw that coming - TWO days for Clemens to prep, on the road Vs a SB contender wasn't a great matchup for this team...They played hard all year so far... The next 2 games is the test...

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I don't think they gave it their all. A college try so to speak sure but....also many many many players had to be slacking in the "classroom". Some techniques were terrible, some often seem to run wrong routes etc IMO There was definitely something "off" with them, something very different from last year.I don't know if they got too comfy with Mangini I don't have a clue really what it was but it does not seem like many of the same guys that were there in 06.

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Bri said:

All this O-line talk while I watch Jets on the Redskins is very odd.Jets GM better be watching this game. He's had a terrible year.Hire Anthony Munoz or John Hannah or.....geesh Jumbo Elliot to work with Ferguson. The talent and ability is soooo there. They are not going to land a more talented lineman in the draft and youth+talent they won't land a better prospect in FA. Make it work, some teams would give up alot for a talent like that.The openning day LBers could all be gone OR Mangini will come to his senses and play the 4-3. They look like the Browns of a few years ago when Romeo first started and it's just too odd when there is talent right there. Why can't he take a page from BB, Romeo, and Parcells(like he does with everything else) and play some 4-3 some 3-4 like they used to? His ego got in the way with Kendall and he was never replaced well. That line was doing well in 06. He should have either found a way to make it work with Pete or replaced him. Everyone knew he was a solid player and it would be big shoes to fill, except him apparently.IF IF IF Curtis truly does have the backers and can get in with buying the Fins, watch how many Jets walk. If he's an owner, former Pats, Jets, and now Browns coaches could all be going there. Grantham is a hot coaching candidate. Mangini could lose some staff to him. He needs to have a solid foundation where everyone wants to be a part of it or else he's at risk here.NY is not kind to coaches. He'd better right this ship in 08 or he's done.

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Bri The Jets have mixed up fronts all year.. That was the goal and the defense all along... A combination of 3-4 and 4-3 that can change on the fly..... So far, whatever front they play, they STILL need a run stuffing clog in the middle..... I don't think it's as easy as "Hey Dummy Play the 4-3"....And Kendall played nasty hard ball with the Jets.. the Jets just did Kendalls contract and paid him well.... he saw an opportunity to back the Jets into a corner and use the media for his goal.. He got what he wanted - In the end he took the signing bonus he JUST signed and wound up making over 5 million dollars for 1 year.. PETE FREAKING KENDAL amade 5 million dollars!!!!Yes, they did some things wrong and should have stuck a boot in his rear a lot sooner but, this is the 3rd team Pete did this too.....Kendall was gone.. they should have drafted or gotten someone else though But, Screw Kendall.

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Your latter point on Kendall, obviously I agree with. That was a real bad situation sure but Mangini's ego came into it and he should have kept it about business and only business. Then he would have replaced him. Only an egotistical person can think "we'll be fine without him" when everyone else knows it's not true.As for the 4-3. I thought it was 3-4 with a LB at the LOS. No it's not as easy as just go play 4-3, but that is what they did before Mangini got there. Your boy Ferguson could be a NT or 4-3 DT no prob but he's been in Dallas. Robertson clearly is not the big beast in the middle so they've got two options-sign someone that is or go to 4-3 and give him help inside. Some of those Jet LBers are terrific. Like most LBers, however, they can't handle it all and the DL must eat up some blockers. That DL rrrreally hurt a big strength of this team. Further, Shaun Ellis is a nice edge rusher but not the best bull rusher. 4-3 would have shifted him outside a bit moreso and played to his strength. Aside from the rook's terrific showing when he got in, you can't really be pleased with the production of the LBers in 07, are ya?

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yeah, i dont agree with most of this either....1) Clemens hasnt had enough time to show anything. His O-line is bad and His WR's are badly wounded (coles has limped off every play for the last month) I'm not a big Brohm fan either. I think he's a system QB and I'm not sure he's that tough. I pass.2) This i sort of agree with, although i wouldnt use our 2nd rounder here. in the 3-4, sacks dont dome from DE's.3) Kendall played LG. But yeah, guard is a MAJOR need. I said all along that the jets should have paid Eric Steinbach whatever he wanted to come play guard. The jets guards have to be the worst set in the league. Add in a sub par RT and a LT that cant drive block and you have one of the worst units in the league. This is where the Jets need to spend that FA money. I know they cant bring in 3 new guys, but id spend big money on a guard and find the best RT available that isnt absurdly priced. 4) DT- We need to draft Dorsey from LSU. This should be the pick, no matter what. End of story. Plug him in at NT and slide Robertson over to DE(where he is better suited in a 3-4) With the emergence of David Harris, Run defense problems solved.5) RB- Nope. Not the problem. The Guards and tackles are the problem. A 1-2 punch of TJ and Leon would be more than fine with good run blockers up front. The holes arent there now. Mcfaddon would be nice to watch, but I'm not sold on him being as good as AD. Id rather use the pick elsewhere. I dont want Turner either, as giving him $$ likely means no upgrades on the O-line or OLB. 6) WR- cothcery and coles are banged up, but a solid duo. I'd like a tall guy to stretch the field as well and wouldnt be opposed to spending a 2nd rounder or some decent FA money to go get him.7) coaches- i havent been a huge fan this year, mainly because it took this regime way too long to make adjustments. I was against the conversion to a 3-4 because it effectively neutralized two high picks who had been close to pro-bowl players (vilma and D-rob) IMO, the sign of a good coach is using his players to create a system, not pounding talented guys into roles they shouldnt be filling.Without looking at names in Free Agency, here would be my plan for the offseason...round 1- Glen dorsey- Whatever it takes to get him. Its worth it.Round 2- Best Pass rushing OLB available, or a guard if a good run blocker fallsround 3- RT, Guard or project WRIf possible, id give vilma a shot on the weakside. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd for him, id guess id do it. If not, ive give him a shot at WLB and see if he can get his pass rush and backside pursuit going again. Id make a run at Samuel, but i dont think its gonna happen (as revis looks like the real deal.) Use the FA money on a RT, maybe a WR and an OLB. I dont want a "franchise" QB, as i dont think any of the guys in this draft are. Brohm would be a massive mistake. He's soft.

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Dorsey would be a bad fit for the Jets at NT. I hope they don't draft him if that's wher they're going to play him.

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LOL! You sound like a genius but in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. I agree the OL needs help but we cant draft another OL in the 1st or 2nd Round. We have already invested two 1st Round picks in OL and we cant afford not to select some playmakers this season. Say what you want about Brohm but he has been highly touted by everyone around college football and the pros every year he was in college. But hey, what do they know. You know better than them. LOL! When is the last time the Jets drafted the top QB coming out of college? NEVER. The Jets are a losing franchise and they need to go against what they usually do to break their losing ways. Our OL is not too far away. A couple of FA siginings and well be alright. Its unbelievable to me, as a Jets fan, to listen to people who want them to draft another OL in the 1st Round. Its actually comical after a while.

2. Since we are getting technical here you are correct that DEs in the 3-4 arent known for sacking the QB but there are exceptions like Seymour. I meant we need someone who sacks the QB so that would be a LB or Seymour type player. DLs in the 3-4 are supposed to be strong against the run and protect the LBs. in conclusion we are both in agreement that Long would be a horrible pick here although we do need a DL that will allow our LBs more room to make plays. Lets move on.

3. I dont think you can label Brick a bust and he is definately not just an average LT. Obviously you havent seen him play. He has given up some sacks but he has shut down some of the best ends in the game. Did you see the Giants/Jets game? We need help on the line but we cant afford to waste a high pick on one.

4. Robertson is not a disaster? Talk to one Jets fan who thinks hes good. Since day one hes been a disaster. Google Robertson and undersized and see what you come up with. Hes not good in the 4-3 or 3-4. We moved up to get him in the draft and that was a mistake. End of story.

5. We need a playmaker on offense. Watching the Jets offense is like watching paint dry. If you want Clemens to be our QB then he needs weapons. Thomas Jones is not that player and neither is any of our WRs. If McFadden is sitting there and we arent looking QB when we draft we cant pass on him.

7. I am beginning to think you havent watched a Jets game this season. Yes BS was aggressive last season but teams have caught on to him and he hasnt adjusted. This season he has been treadful. Watching on TV you know what the Jets are calling based on their formations. For example when Jones is 8 yards behind the QB he is running the ball. When its 3rd and 8 we are throwing a 6 yard pass or it will be a draw. Its a joke. Giving Brad Smith those play calls were a joke. Even Phil Simms wondering what we were doing. It wasnt gambling, it was stupidity. Dont defend Sutton because right before our bye-week Mangini didnt. Read some of the NY papers sometime expert.

As you can see do not call out a knowledgeable Jets fan when you have no idea what you are talking about.

I say:

Wow, Just wow.

You took everything I said and then accused me of saying things I never said.

1. I never said to spend a first or a second rounder on an O lineman. I do happen to think a RT or LG would be a good second round pick, but I never said that. What I did say was that we don't know how good or bad Clemens is yet, not until we can pass protect well enough to give him enough time to throw the ball deep. Our O line is not far away? What in the freakin world kind of drugs are you doing? Our rush offense has been at the bottom of the league for two years, and that is on the O line.

2. We agree? Did I say anything about Long? Yer makin stuff up here. To improve the pass rush, we need a Merriman/Suggs type.... an OLB that can pass rush, not another DE. Coleman and Ellis are good enough IF we have some OLB's that can pass rush, and a NT that can't be moved in the middle.

3. Did I call Brick a bust? Wrong again pal. He's good enough to keep at LT and be an average LT. I didn't call him Robert Gallery, but he certainly has not lived up to being an overall #4 either. Yes, I have watched every game this year.... twice. You were the one who said Kendall played on the right side.... have you watched any games? Kendall was a LG.

4. Tell me where I said Robertson was a good NT? You are making this stuff up as you recoil into the fetal position. We can agree that both he and Brick have not lived up to their draft spot. He is less than a disaster at NT however. He isn't a good NT at all, he is playing in a system that does not suit his limited abilities. He has been able to stay in his lane and even get a few sacks while in pass rush mode. He's done a good job of closing off an escape route up the middle for QB's on the run on those few occassions when the pocket collapsed. you keep asking me if I watch the games... I think you watch but have no clue as to what happens in line play, since we have resorted to an insult exchange.

5. You apparently think that this O line can run block. If you can get past that delusional thinking, we could then discuss RB's.

7. You have a problem with reading comprehension. I agreed with you, but did point out the very unorthodox approach of having Brad Smith run the option offense against the Pats yesterday... er Sunday. get out of the fetal position and try to comprehend what I've written if you choose to respond.

I go to Hofstra at least 6 times a year. I see this team up close. I told people NOT to draft TJ.... because the O line can't run block. I told people that Curtis Martin was a GREAT pick the year he won the rushing title. I told people in the IDP forum to trade Vilma when Mangini came in with his 3-4. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about.

My track record here speaks for itself. I don't make any claims to be some genius at FF, but when it comes to the Jets, you would be hard pressed to get better info and insight than I have interjected at this site. And yes, I have contacts within the organization to boot. But, I forgive you.

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TLEF316 said:

yeah, i dont agree with most of this either....1) Clemens hasnt had enough time to show anything. His O-line is bad and His WR's are badly wounded (coles has limped off every play for the last month) I'm not a big Brohm fan either. I think he's a system QB and I'm not sure he's that tough. I pass.2) This i sort of agree with, although i wouldnt use our 2nd rounder here. in the 3-4, sacks dont dome from DE's.3) Kendall played LG. But yeah, guard is a MAJOR need. I said all along that the jets should have paid Eric Steinbach whatever he wanted to come play guard. The jets guards have to be the worst set in the league. Add in a sub par RT and a LT that cant drive block and you have one of the worst units in the league. This is where the Jets need to spend that FA money. I know they cant bring in 3 new guys, but id spend big money on a guard and find the best RT available that isnt absurdly priced. 4) DT- We need to draft Dorsey from LSU. This should be the pick, no matter what. End of story. Plug him in at NT and slide Robertson over to DE(where he is better suited in a 3-4) With the emergence of David Harris, Run defense problems solved.5) RB- Nope. Not the problem. The Guards and tackles are the problem. A 1-2 punch of TJ and Leon would be more than fine with good run blockers up front. The holes arent there now. Mcfaddon would be nice to watch, but I'm not sold on him being as good as AD. Id rather use the pick elsewhere. I dont want Turner either, as giving him $$ likely means no upgrades on the O-line or OLB. 6) WR- cothcery and coles are banged up, but a solid duo. I'd like a tall guy to stretch the field as well and wouldnt be opposed to spending a 2nd rounder or some decent FA money to go get him.7) coaches- i havent been a huge fan this year, mainly because it took this regime way too long to make adjustments. I was against the conversion to a 3-4 because it effectively neutralized two high picks who had been close to pro-bowl players (vilma and D-rob) IMO, the sign of a good coach is using his players to create a system, not pounding talented guys into roles they shouldnt be filling.Without looking at names in Free Agency, here would be my plan for the offseason...round 1- Glen dorsey- Whatever it takes to get him. Its worth it.Round 2- Best Pass rushing OLB available, or a guard if a good run blocker fallsround 3- RT, Guard or project WRIf possible, id give vilma a shot on the weakside. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd for him, id guess id do it. If not, ive give him a shot at WLB and see if he can get his pass rush and backside pursuit going again. Id make a run at Samuel, but i dont think its gonna happen (as revis looks like the real deal.) Use the FA money on a RT, maybe a WR and an OLB. I dont want a "franchise" QB, as i dont think any of the guys in this draft are. Brohm would be a massive mistake. He's soft.

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Dorsey would be a bad fit for the Jets at NT. I hope they don't draft him if that's wher they're going to play him.

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Really? Why did i think he was a nose? Everything I've heard said that he is a big time run stuffer. He's listed at around 300 lbs. I realize thats not a huge nose, but everyone puts on weight when they get to the NFL. If he's more of a 4-3 DT, then i may have to re-think my position. If thats the case, i have no idea who we take. Jake long would probably fill the biggest need, but we cant use another high first rounder on a tackle

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Bri said:

All this O-line talk while I watch Jets on the Redskins is very odd.Jets GM better be watching this game. He's had a terrible year.Hire Anthony Munoz or John Hannah or.....geesh Jumbo Elliot to work with Ferguson. The talent and ability is soooo there. They are not going to land a more talented lineman in the draft and youth+talent they won't land a better prospect in FA. Make it work, some teams would give up alot for a talent like that.The openning day LBers could all be gone OR Mangini will come to his senses and play the 4-3. They look like the Browns of a few years ago when Romeo first started and it's just too odd when there is talent right there. Why can't he take a page from BB, Romeo, and Parcells(like he does with everything else) and play some 4-3 some 3-4 like they used to? His ego got in the way with Kendall and he was never replaced well. That line was doing well in 06. He should have either found a way to make it work with Pete or replaced him. Everyone knew he was a solid player and it would be big shoes to fill, except him apparently.IF IF IF Curtis truly does have the backers and can get in with buying the Fins, watch how many Jets walk. If he's an owner, former Pats, Jets, and now Browns coaches could all be going there. Grantham is a hot coaching candidate. Mangini could lose some staff to him. He needs to have a solid foundation where everyone wants to be a part of it or else he's at risk here.NY is not kind to coaches. He'd better right this ship in 08 or he's done.

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Bri The Jets have mixed up fronts all year.. That was the goal and the defense all along... A combination of 3-4 and 4-3 that can change on the fly..... So far, whatever front they play, they STILL need a run stuffing clog in the middle..... I don't think it's as easy as "Hey Dummy Play the 4-3"....And Kendall played nasty hard ball with the Jets.. the Jets just did Kendalls contract and paid him well.... he saw an opportunity to back the Jets into a corner and use the media for his goal.. He got what he wanted - In the end he took the signing bonus he JUST signed and wound up making over 5 million dollars for 1 year.. PETE FREAKING KENDAL amade 5 million dollars!!!!Yes, they did some things wrong and should have stuck a boot in his rear a lot sooner but, this is the 3rd team Pete did this too.....Kendall was gone.. they should have drafted or gotten someone else though But, Screw Kendall.

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Your latter point on Kendall, obviously I agree with. That was a real bad situation sure but Mangini's ego came into it and he should have kept it about business and only business. Then he would have replaced him. Only an egotistical person can think "we'll be fine without him" when everyone else knows it's not true.As for the 4-3. I thought it was 3-4 with a LB at the LOS. No it's not as easy as just go play 4-3, but that is what they did before Mangini got there. Your boy Ferguson could be a NT or 4-3 DT no prob but he's been in Dallas. Robertson clearly is not the big beast in the middle so they've got two options-sign someone that is or go to 4-3 and give him help inside. Some of those Jet LBers are terrific. Like most LBers, however, they can't handle it all and the DL must eat up some blockers. That DL rrrreally hurt a big strength of this team. Further, Shaun Ellis is a nice edge rusher but not the best bull rusher. 4-3 would have shifted him outside a bit moreso and played to his strength. Aside from the rook's terrific showing when he got in, you can't really be pleased with the production of the LBers in 07, are ya?

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Bri... I'm not sure if the Jets ever even declared that they are "a 3-4 team".. people assume that but, when you ask Mangini he'll say it's a multiple front defense that likes to make changes at the line and in the end be able to play either or any defense depending on the situation..... People get hung up on labels.. Where coaches actually work all week to put players in position to make plays, labels be damned......Regardless, whatever defense they played, they had a ton of holes including a run stuffing DT in either system!!!! Ferguson is about to be cut and wasn't the player he was many years ago - Even with Fergy, the Jets never had a great run D.... What is important to be succesfful in this league is hitting draft picks and the Jets and Tangini have done pretty well.. Even last year I was screaming for OL help but, Revis and Harris look like Homeruns so far and a huge part of the defense going foward.I've yelled at them from day 1 though.... I've said that if I were starting with this team I would have been hell bent on finding a DT to play whatever I wanted... And frankly, I've said that since Herm's days...... Herm's teams never stopped the run either - It's not like this was some run stuffing 4-3 team that Mangini took over that lost it's way.... it was a project no matter what. A 2-3 year project that we're in the midst of.Hey, I wanted Ngata over Brick especially if they could have moved down... To me finding that DT is THAT important... and in the end I think Mangini needs to realize his coaching career could depend on finding that NT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I don't think theyre THAT far off though... I watch Tivo'd Jet games and you can see at times just how close they are to making impact plays, like they made more of last year..... The difference between being what the Jets are and being real good isn't that far off... There were a few plays this past weekend where Brady should have been PASTED! There was a TD in the Cleveland game the week before that cameras never showed but, later in the week came up in a Jets show where the ball was clearly over the line... 2 plays later that was a n INT for Cleveland.. .If that was the Pats, there'd be a 10 page thread on it... With the Jets it's not even a story. But, things are THAT close. Games are THAT close.It's year 2... They need 1-2 Impact players on each side of the ball, including a DT and at least 1 more OL... Then.... the big question is the QUARTERBACK.And one thing stated here about $$$$$$$ spent at 1 postion... i think that's a bunch of lard... Who cares how much money you spent... You Draft the best player PERIOD... If that happens to be Long for RT, then bring it on!!!!!!!Of course trading down is always nice but, you need a partner.....

After rewatching Sundays game - step 1 can be done today - cut Justin Mac. The guy has a chance to make 4 impact plays and blows them all - this after the Baly fiasco. I'd rather see a hungry practice squad guy in there than that bum - what a wasted 2nd rd pick from Badaway!

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After rewatching Sundays game - step 1 can be done today - cut Justin Mac. The guy has a chance to make 4 impact plays and blows them all - this after the Baly fiasco. I'd rather see a hungry practice squad guy in there than that bum - what a wasted 2nd rd pick from Badaway!

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Many Jets fans have been saying that for what seems like 2-3 years now

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Kiddnets said:

After rewatching Sundays game - step 1 can be done today - cut Justin Mac. The guy has a chance to make 4 impact plays and blows them all - this after the Baly fiasco. I'd rather see a hungry practice squad guy in there than that bum - what a wasted 2nd rd pick from Badaway!

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Many Jets fans have been saying that for what seems like 2-3 years now

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wished we could have seen what stuckey might have been able to do as 3rd or 4th wr behind Coles and cotchery. I think he would have overtaken Mcariens on the depth chart. Looked like a prime slot reciever to me.As far as draft and FA needs. Im with the camp that wants to see what we have in Clemens with an improved OL and healthy wrs before spending another high pick on a QB. Id be a little disapointed if the Jets passed on Mcfadden if he was available for us in rd1(even though I agree RB isnt high up on the Jets needs IMO). The Jets absolutely need to do something about that OL. LG,RG,RT could all be addressed this offseason. Ive been pretty happy with the Jets defense since the bye. They seem like a better unit since Harris took over at ILB, and Elam has been a decent surprise. Revis is looking like hes going to be one of the best cbs in the NFL before long, so the Jets draft was a big success last year considering they paid heavily for 2 players that look to be defensive mainstays on the Jets for a long time.

Stuckey looked pretty good, not too too good but like some decent depth maybe a slot WR. I liked what I saw this summer too.

- They need to get help for the interior of their O Line. Draft is week at guard, so I expect them to be big players for Alan Faneca.

- They need to continue to find the correct personnel for that 3-4 D. Robertson and Vilma are just not good fits. They need to find a 3-4 NT, and some depth at end. Renaldo Wynn is an UFA from the Redskins, and he is an ideal 3-4 end. You can see the talent starting to show. Revis and HArris were great picks and will only get better. kerry Rhodes is a solid safety. They need more explosiveness at OLB, though. I think looking at Shaun Crable from Michigan in rounds 2 or 3 would be a wise move. I also like Chase Ortiz out of TCU possibly making the switch. He is certainly athletic enough.

- In the end, they just need to hope that Chris Long is there when they pick in round 1.

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candy bar said:

TLEF316 said:

yeah, i dont agree with most of this either....1) Clemens hasnt had enough time to show anything. His O-line is bad and His WR's are badly wounded (coles has limped off every play for the last month) I'm not a big Brohm fan either. I think he's a system QB and I'm not sure he's that tough. I pass.2) This i sort of agree with, although i wouldnt use our 2nd rounder here. in the 3-4, sacks dont dome from DE's.3) Kendall played LG. But yeah, guard is a MAJOR need. I said all along that the jets should have paid Eric Steinbach whatever he wanted to come play guard. The jets guards have to be the worst set in the league. Add in a sub par RT and a LT that cant drive block and you have one of the worst units in the league. This is where the Jets need to spend that FA money. I know they cant bring in 3 new guys, but id spend big money on a guard and find the best RT available that isnt absurdly priced. 4) DT- We need to draft Dorsey from LSU. This should be the pick, no matter what. End of story. Plug him in at NT and slide Robertson over to DE(where he is better suited in a 3-4) With the emergence of David Harris, Run defense problems solved.5) RB- Nope. Not the problem. The Guards and tackles are the problem. A 1-2 punch of TJ and Leon would be more than fine with good run blockers up front. The holes arent there now. Mcfaddon would be nice to watch, but I'm not sold on him being as good as AD. Id rather use the pick elsewhere. I dont want Turner either, as giving him $$ likely means no upgrades on the O-line or OLB. 6) WR- cothcery and coles are banged up, but a solid duo. I'd like a tall guy to stretch the field as well and wouldnt be opposed to spending a 2nd rounder or some decent FA money to go get him.7) coaches- i havent been a huge fan this year, mainly because it took this regime way too long to make adjustments. I was against the conversion to a 3-4 because it effectively neutralized two high picks who had been close to pro-bowl players (vilma and D-rob) IMO, the sign of a good coach is using his players to create a system, not pounding talented guys into roles they shouldnt be filling.Without looking at names in Free Agency, here would be my plan for the offseason...round 1- Glen dorsey- Whatever it takes to get him. Its worth it.Round 2- Best Pass rushing OLB available, or a guard if a good run blocker fallsround 3- RT, Guard or project WRIf possible, id give vilma a shot on the weakside. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd for him, id guess id do it. If not, ive give him a shot at WLB and see if he can get his pass rush and backside pursuit going again. Id make a run at Samuel, but i dont think its gonna happen (as revis looks like the real deal.) Use the FA money on a RT, maybe a WR and an OLB. I dont want a "franchise" QB, as i dont think any of the guys in this draft are. Brohm would be a massive mistake. He's soft.

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Dorsey would be a bad fit for the Jets at NT. I hope they don't draft him if that's wher they're going to play him.

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Really? Why did i think he was a nose? Everything I've heard said that he is a big time run stuffer. He's listed at around 300 lbs. I realize thats not a huge nose, but everyone puts on weight when they get to the NFL. If he's more of a 4-3 DT, then i may have to re-think my position. If thats the case, i have no idea who we take. Jake long would probably fill the biggest need, but we cant use another high first rounder on a tackle

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He's 6-2, 300. That's the exact size of Warren Sapp. Robertson is 6-1, 320. Dorsey is a great 4-3 DT; he wouldn't be your prototypical 3-4 NT, and who knows how he'd do if he bulked up to 325.