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Is Flacco considered a first day pick? Put up Decent numbers at a small school. Nice Size, I have never seen him play though.
So why is everyone believing this non-fact about Woodson.......I've yet to see anything on the field that changes my opinion that this guy could still be the 1st QB taken in this draft. All I'll say is remember last year when Quinn was by all accounts the "lock" #1 for much of the early postseason, where we are right now until closer to the combine, until the real pro evaluators revealed what it's all about......the ability to be 'SPECIAL' in the NFL, not just good.......this is why, like him or not, M.Vick, D.McNabb, V.Young, JaMarcus, were chosen over much more heralded players in their respective draft classes.......Woodson has the best long-term potential than any of these other QBs and 40 TD passes in a very tough SEC this season hasn't disrupted any of this projection, IMHO.So please stop regurgitating these false reports of Woodson dropping......that's simply nonsense at this point in the process
Pitt transfer, ran the O very efficiently at Delaware. He will be at the shrine game and we will be watching very closely.
I agree totally. Of course, I am a UK homer, so I am a bit biased. I have been saying Woodson would be this year's Russell for over a year. I think that so many people (fans and team officials) are looking for that sleeper or guy that others may not know about earlier than usual. Russell did not get the draft hype until around this time last year, while Woodson may have peaked early, as far as his draft stock goes.I still think he can be the #1 QB taken and/or the top QB in this draft, mostly due to not being impressed with Brohm or Ryan as much as others.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting this is a racial thing?
Well, your confusion is your own doing as this ? doesn't even warrant a response to defend what I posted.....Read again if what I said didn't register.
I apologize if it came across as insulting. But the part I bolded had you mentioning M.Vick, D.McNabb, V.Young and JaMarcus. I just wasn't sure why you mention those 4 QB's to prove your point.
But actually, since you kinda pi$$ed me off, I'll kindly elaborate further.........Based on collegiate statistics, achievement, and notoriety (i.e, general consensus of the public), consider each guy that I mentioned.....1. Brees was much more decorated and widely known and revered as a college QB than Vick.......but who was chosen #1 overall, Vick
That's OK, 'cause I have a reply for you as well........McNabb played in an OPTION offense in college, which is much, much less favorable to NFL evaluators than even these gimmicky spread offenses, which at least have some sophisticated (or NFL-like) passing sets, but an option offense is very run-oriented and let's just say, lacks imaginative passing sets and plays, to say the least. And I remember this vividly, it was not until the Senior Bowl (and its associated practice week) that McNabb displayed his NFL prospects when he had to run NFL passing schemes and he showed very good promise that he could make the adjustment....up until that point, he was simply a great athlete playing as an option QB, which had NFL guys intrigued but at the same time skeptical of his NFL prospects.......
No, there is certainly no guarantee that he will be the 1st QB......just not buying all these reports of his falling, especially based on his biggest weakness......which is real, but guess what, you ever heard of NFL coaching, especially position coaching......it's tenfold, or more, better than at the collegiate level.......and what most people overinflate as a detrimental weakness, is actually easily correctible by diligent NFL coaches....and when it comes to high-priced investments, i.e., high-pick QBs, the diligence is always there, at least by the reputable NFL franchises....and don't believe for a second that almost all NFL prospects, especially QBs, have some weakness or several of them, that will need to be addressed as they proceed in their careers......here's just a little of what I've picked up here and there on how some of Woodson's release issue will be addressed........check the following video, I chose this one based on the great still photos depicting his delivery and I've earmarked a few timestamps with comments belowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVE_0VLd1jIMax Power said:
Can you expound on why you make that comment?
The guy isn't athletic and he's not tough. Further, his decision making skills are untested in the Big East...played a cupcake schedule for the vast majority of his collegiate career.No thanks.
That sounds a lot like Leinart, considering the pac-10 defenses he faced.
You mean minus the national title games...and Leinart is a tremendous athlete...Brohm isn't even in the same conversation.
Well, consider the following.........The past 2 seasons combined......7200 pass yds, 63% completions, 71/18 TD-Ints (roughly 4-1 ratio...which is phenomenal), 104 passer rating avg., 16-10 record competing in a tough SEC at Kentucky, not a perennial powerhouse......only knock I'd have is the high number of sacks (74 in 26 gms) for which he has to take some of the responsibility for....so to state that a guy is unimpressive when he has compiled these types of numbers in the SEC, no less, not the WAC or MAC, over the past 2 seasons is simply an uninformed, or possibly even biased, statement....and numbers aside, the guy is a leader and very tough competitorI don't spend a ton of time concentrating on QBs, but I think both Brohm and Woodson were unimpressive when I saw them. I understand that Kentucky won the bowl game, but I really didn't think Woodson looked that good.
I wouldn't call the following #s much of an option offense.PASSING STATISTICS
Dude, your numbers validate my point.....And, I WATCHED McNabb play in college, and he played in an option-based attack for a good portion of his college career......if you look at the numbers, throwing for 2400 yds in his best season compared to guys in pro-style attacks (3500+ yds easily), you should have been able to make the connection that McNabb was definitely not in a passer-friendly offense.......Yes, he did make big plays, I do recall, as his TDs per pass attempt was very high......but he also played in a very porous Big East Conference back then.......I don't believe that MIA was in the conference then, although I could be wrong.....but the conference overall was pretty weak back then.....And I never said that he wasn't very good in college, just not as highly touted as several other QBs during that era.....I know that for a fact......you've posted a postseason scouting report, which also validates my initial point that McNabb closed the draft-prospect gap during the POSTSEASON, not during his actual playing career when others were thought to be much better NFL prospects than he
Do you always attack people to make a point? Better yet, are you just a jerk because you're behind a keyboard or are you one in person too? You make smart #### comments when someone (Mr. Peterson) asks a question about your selcted choice of black QB's. Granted that might be by chance, but to attack the person for asking...poor.
Because he reminds people (myself included) of Tim Couch and/or Byron Leftwich.
Inflated numbers because of offense and a slow release doesn't usually equate to NFL success. Just my 2 cents.
Since I went to UDel for 2 yrs, I picked up on the program while I was there.K.C. Keeler's the head coach, and he's built that program up to above and beyond what they were before he was there - UDel was in the NCAA Div I-AA (FCS) Championship game (lost to Appalachian State, who beat Michigan). UDel went on a tear in December just to get to that game.
It's OK; I hear Woodson's stock is dropping anyway.
I'll admit that I probbaly didn't watch him alot but I don't remember him running an option offense and that's all I can say and I think, maybe we'll disagree, but I think the #'s proove my point that he definetly wasn't in a option offense. I know the Big East was awful then and "NO" Miami wasn't in there yet, but he had the all time passing record. How can you still be convinced he was in an option offense. Now did he run.....of course. However I'd be more inclined after looking at the #'s by saying he was a passing qb than ran instead of the other way around.Not saying your wrong... Just saying I'm right
Sorry, I just don't see it. I'll watch him closely leading up to the draft though and see if anything changes my mind.Well, consider the following.........The past 2 seasons combined......7200 pass yds, 63% completions, 71/18 TD-Ints (roughly 4-1 ratio...which is phenomenal), 104 passer rating avg., 16-10 record competing in a tough SEC at Kentucky, not a perennial powerhouse......only knock I'd have is the high number of sacks (74 in 26 gms) for which he has to take some of the responsibility for....so to state that a guy is unimpressive when he has compiled these types of numbers in the SEC, no less, not the WAC or MAC, over the past 2 seasons is simply an uninformed, or possibly even biased, statement....and numbers aside, the guy is a leader and very tough competitorI don't spend a ton of time concentrating on QBs, but I think both Brohm and Woodson were unimpressive when I saw them. I understand that Kentucky won the bowl game, but I really didn't think Woodson looked that good.
I disagree about changing release time being a coachable thing. It is VERY hard to get a guy to release a ball quicker and not impact accuracy. Don't you think Leftwich would have been coached if it were that easy? I think lefty is better than people think now, but his release is the reason he has not had success. You don't just change that without losing a lot of other parts of the throw, including accuracy and throwing speed. This is why a guy with a quick release and a powerful throwing arm are hard to find. if you add accuracy you have a winner.
Umm...McNabb was chosen AFTER Tim Couch.
Your reply here is irrelevent to the topic of discussion. Different approaches for different folkses......And I intended that grammatical error.....if you have something to add to the TOPIC of discussion and not my personal freeform, feel obliged to keep it moving.....I'm not attacking anyone
Dude. You make some good points. But you should tone it down a notch.Your reply here is irrelevent to the topic of discussion. Different approaches for different folkses......And I intended that grammatical error.....if you have something to add to the TOPIC of discussion and not my personal freeform, feel obliged to keep it moving
C'mon, Andy, this is Serious Business.Dude. You make some good points. But you should tone it down a notch.Your reply here is irrelevent to the topic of discussion. Different approaches for different folkses......And I intended that grammatical error.....if you have something to add to the TOPIC of discussion and not my personal freeform, feel obliged to keep it moving
The only thing special about these guys is the inability to ever be a special NFL quarterback. Write it down none of these QB's will ever be better than average. They all have the same accuracy problems. The best of the bunch is McNabb and how are things working out for him.
Your reply here is irrelevent to the topic of discussion. Different approaches for different folkses......And I intended that grammatical error.....if you have something to add to the TOPIC of discussion and not my personal freeform, feel obliged to keep it moving.....I'm not attacking anyone
LMAO!
Having watched all of Woodson's games, that release is a problem. He has great faith in his O-line and his ability to shake off tacklers. If he were to get drafted by, say, Minnesota, this might serve him well. If somebody with a bad line takes him, he could be battered out of the league very quickly (just like Couch).Max Power said:
Right, and correct me if I am wrong but McNabb had some big games in the Big East against Miami...in fact I believe he beat them like a drum his Senior Year...I bring that up because guys like Brett Favre took Southern Miss into Tallahassee and knocked off the mighty Seminoles in 1991 IIRC...those types of performances matter greatly when they get to the next level. I don't remember Akili Smith tearing up any of the great dynasty college football programs.
Dont Forget the utter reaming that McNabb gave Michigan in the big house
Worse than the drops, the BC WRs have no speed. What Ryan did with this group of non-weapons and a weak running game was incredible. He makes throws that no other QB in college football could make. His relatively high INT numbers are due to the fact that he had to stick the ball into tight spots. I have no doubt he will be the best pro of the bunch.
Uh, he went to a Super Bowl and was one of the league's best QBs from 2001 to 2004?
Woodson not only has a ridiculously slow release, he has a terrible habit of trying to power throws off of his back foot rather than stepping into his throws. Whoever drafts him will have a MAJOR project on their hands to correct his mechanics.
