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Minnesota Vikings 2008 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

FunkyPlutos

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I see WR as the biggest Free Agent need. I don't mind Bobby Wade (as a 3rd WR), and I like Sidney Rice as a #2 (hopefully #1), but who can be the WR1 or WR2?

Javon Walker

Donte Stallworth

Bryant Johnson

Bernard Berrian

I like Johnson as the best financial option since I see their upside about the same (maybe Walker is a bit higher but he is a pain - so it seems). Everyone seems to see Stallworth as gone in NE but not much has been said about him potentially coming to Minnesota.

I also see safety as a need but not sure what is available in the FA market.

Let's get excited about the offseason!!

 
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I think they have a much bigger need for a good QB. It doesn't matter who they have at WR if someone can't throw the ball to them. For Peterson's sake I hope they sign a decent QB to prevent teams from stacking the line against him. Also, I think Rice has the potential to be a decent #1.

 
The Real Deal said:
I think they have a much bigger need for a good QB.
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Of course they do. Unfortunately, we're roughly 5 days into the offseason and it seems like a done deal that he'll be renamed starter if you read the press clippings and listen to Childress.
The Real Deal said:
It doesn't matter who they have at WR if someone can't throw the ball to them. For Peterson's sake I hope they sign a decent QB to prevent teams from stacking the line against him. Also, I think Rice has the potential to be a decent #1.
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Baby New Year said:
I think Grossman's a free agent....
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Haha. Yeah, we're gonna give up a turnover machine that can make plays with his feet for a turnover machine with the scrambling ability of beached whale. I'm sorry, but I expect TJax to be the starter next year. Childress hasn't said anything to denounce this yet.
 
Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator to interview for Miami head-coaching jobBY SEAN JENSEN Pioneer PressArticle Last Updated: 01/04/2008 12:29:23 AM CSTVikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier will interview for the vacant Miami Dolphins head coaching job early next week, according to a person close to the situation. Vikings coach Brad Childress indicated in his season-ending news conference that he granted permission to two NFL teams to speak to two of his assistants, but he declined to provide details. Frazier was not available to comment because Vikings assistants are not allowed to speak to local reporters without Childress' permission. But Frazier confirmed his interview to the Miami Herald, which first reported the news. Frazier is expected to meet with new Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland, vice president of football operations Bill Parcells and owner Wayne Huizenga. "I'm just looking forward to sitting down and talking to Bill and Jeff and the owner to get a feel what they're looking for in a head coach," Frazier told the Miami Herald. If Frazier were hired away, he would be the second consecutive defensive coordinator to leave the Vikings for a head coaching position. Last year, Mike Tomlin parlayed a successful first season as a coordinator into the Pittsburgh Steelers' head coaching job. Sean Jensen can be reached at sjensen@pioneerpress.com. Speculation on who the Dolphins will hire has centered on Dallas Cowboys assistant Tony Sparano, who worked for Parcells. An interview with Frazier would keep the Dolphins from violating the Rooney Rule, which was designed to ensure a diverse pool of candidates interviewed for head coaching jobs
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What do people think of Frazier as the DC? The pass defense and especialy the pass rush needs to improve. While I think it's great our defense has done such a good job stopping the run that doesen't matter when we cannot protect a lead.Jarred Allen should be priority #1 in free agency. I don't know if KC can tag him or not. If they can and they have to they probobly should do it. Would be great to sign him though. I think he could make a huge impact on what we allready have.
 
Everyone who thinks the Dolphins are interviewing Frazier as a legit candidate for their HC position, please raise your hand.

 
Biabreakable said:
Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator to interview for Miami head-coaching jobBY SEAN JENSEN Pioneer PressArticle Last Updated: 01/04/2008 12:29:23 AM CSTVikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier will interview for the vacant Miami Dolphins head coaching job early next week, according to a person close to the situation. Vikings coach Brad Childress indicated in his season-ending news conference that he granted permission to two NFL teams to speak to two of his assistants, but he declined to provide details. Frazier was not available to comment because Vikings assistants are not allowed to speak to local reporters without Childress' permission. But Frazier confirmed his interview to the Miami Herald, which first reported the news. Frazier is expected to meet with new Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland, vice president of football operations Bill Parcells and owner Wayne Huizenga. "I'm just looking forward to sitting down and talking to Bill and Jeff and the owner to get a feel what they're looking for in a head coach," Frazier told the Miami Herald. If Frazier were hired away, he would be the second consecutive defensive coordinator to leave the Vikings for a head coaching position. Last year, Mike Tomlin parlayed a successful first season as a coordinator into the Pittsburgh Steelers' head coaching job. Sean Jensen can be reached at sjensen@pioneerpress.com. Speculation on who the Dolphins will hire has centered on Dallas Cowboys assistant Tony Sparano, who worked for Parcells. An interview with Frazier would keep the Dolphins from violating the Rooney Rule, which was designed to ensure a diverse pool of candidates interviewed for head coaching jobs
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What do people think of Frazier as the DC? The pass defense and especialy the pass rush needs to improve. While I think it's great our defense has done such a good job stopping the run that doesen't matter when we cannot protect a lead.Jarred Allen should be priority #1 in free agency. I don't know if KC can tag him or not. If they can and they have to they probobly should do it. Would be great to sign him though. I think he could make a huge impact on what we allready have.
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Well, to be completely honest, I thought the secondary showed signs of improvement this year. IMO they were better than the previous year under Tomlin, so if that is due to Frazier, then he's doing a solid job. You're right about pass rush. For the cover 2 to be effective, a solid pass rush is essential. If we got a pass rusher like Jared Allen, our secondary might not look as poor.
 
The perfect offseason for the Vikings would include:

1. The Vikes trade their 2nd round pick to Cleveland for D. Anderson

2. They sign B. Johnson FA WR Cards

3. They take the best D back available in the draft with their 1st and 3rd round pick

 
FunkyPlutos said:
FavreCo said:
You don't have a QB. If you get Grossman, well...you still don't have a QB.
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Time will tell on Jackson, but I think you are wrong about the Vikings not having a QB.
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I have been thinking about what the Vikes need this offseason and QB is not their biggest need. When TJax has time to throw the ball he looks more than capable. He is big and has a really strong arm. The times he makes mistakes is when he is hurried, so he makes young mistakes. I really think he has potential to be decent. Yes Anderson would look good, but what does Cleveland want for him?The teams real needs in order:A #1 WRA bigtime RT on O-linePass rushing DEUpgrade the Def Secondary.If MN can shore up its right offensive line they will have time to pass. In addition, they need to add the middle screen pass and swing pass to the plays that ADP is brought in to run. Last thing that the Vikings need to have happen, is to have ADP learn to pass block more effectively, which will allow him to be in the game more frequently and open up the screen pass for him also
 
Sidney Rice is young... whoever watched him play in college and saw glimpses of him this passed season.. the guy has all the tools to become a #1 in this league.. he's freakishly athletic with a long body and decent speed...

and i was the biggest Tjax hater for a while... i thought i would be a better NFL QB, but after watching him close out the season my mind was changed... i like him.. he has a nice arm... all he needs is time and with that big arm if they can sign berrian in the off-season.. he would be great... stretch the field... you can keep wade as the #3... and rice the big play guy.

 
Mikey16x said:
Sidney Rice is young... whoever watched him play in college and saw glimpses of him this passed season.. the guy has all the tools to become a #1 in this league.. he's freakishly athletic with a long body and decent speed... and i was the biggest Tjax hater for a while... i thought i would be a better NFL QB, but after watching him close out the season my mind was changed... i like him.. he has a nice arm... all he needs is time and with that big arm if they can sign berrian in the off-season.. he would be great... stretch the field... you can keep wade as the #3... and rice the big play guy.
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I agree with Berrian. If he does become available I would like the Vikings to grab him over Bryant Johnson. He's a much better deep route runner and has good hands. Basically what Troy Williamson was supposed to have been.I'm still undecided about TJax. Our defense is getting older(Pat Williams and DSharper are gonna retire soon) and we don't have a huge window for which to become winners. I just don't know if he's gonna figure it out in time to lead this team as it currently stands.
 
Berrian would be a good choice for his speed.

I will get butchered for this one, but I see no reason not to try and bring in Grossman. He is obviously a better alternative than Holcomb and Bollinger and he shouldn't be too pricey after the year he had. Bring him in as the backup, you know he has the arm and it isn't as though you would have to rely on him.

I am not ready to give up on Cook at RT yet, but a 2nd or 3rd round tackle to give him competition wouldn't hurt anything. Plus, whenever Birk runs out of gas, Cook could always move back to center (Birk got BLOWN UP on that safety against the Redskins).

It should be fun to watch this offseason. I have read that they have 14.8 million (the Peter King article), but have recently read in the Minneapolis papers that they have "plenty" of money to pursue free agents, so don't know which one is correct, or if the 14.8 is considered "plenty."

 
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Berrian would be a good choice for his speed.I will get butchered for this one, but I see no reason not to try and bring in Grossman. He is obviously a better alternative than Holcomb and Bollinger and he shouldn't be too pricey after the year he had. Bring him in as the backup, you know he has the arm and it isn't as though you would have to rely on him. I am not ready to give up on Cook at RT yet, but a 2nd or 3rd round tackle to give him competition wouldn't hurt anything. Plus, whenever Birk runs out of gas, Cook could always move back to center (Birk got BLOWN UP on that safety against the Redskins).It should be fun to watch this offseason. I have read that they have 14.8 million (the Peter King article), but have recently read in the Minneapolis papers that they have "plenty" of money to pursue free agents, so don't know which one is correct, or if the 14.8 is considered "plenty."
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I always thought that Cook would translate better to an inside spot as he doesn't seem to be very quick from side to side. If there is a top notch right tackle available in the first two rounds, I wouldn't mind seeing the Vikes pick him up and try moving Cook to RG.
 
Fa needs:

#1 WR

Add a Top notch WR and Jackson WILL be better. Bryant Johnson, Wade, Rice, Allison would be pretty good IMO.

#2a DE - Jared Allen, Terrell Suggs

#2 DB. Asante Samuel, Marcus Trufant or maybe Ken Hamlin.

Draft:

Defensive & Offensive line in the first couple rounds. Look for a Pass catching TE later also would be nice.

 
encaitar said:
Mikey16x said:
Sidney Rice is young... whoever watched him play in college and saw glimpses of him this passed season.. the guy has all the tools to become a #1 in this league.. he's freakishly athletic with a long body and decent speed...

and i was the biggest Tjax hater for a while... i thought i would be a better NFL QB, but after watching him close out the season my mind was changed... i like him.. he has a nice arm... all he needs is time and with that big arm if they can sign berrian in the off-season.. he would be great... stretch the field... you can keep wade as the #3... and rice the big play guy.
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I agree with Berrian. If he does become available I would like the Vikings to grab him over Bryant Johnson. He's a much better deep route runner and has good hands. Basically what Troy Williamson was supposed to have been.

I'm still undecided about TJax. Our defense is getting older(Pat Williams and DSharper are gonna retire soon) and we don't have a huge window for which to become winners. I just don't know if he's gonna figure it out in time to lead this team as it currently stands.
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From PFW:QBs Rex Grossman and Brian Griese, RB Cedric Benson and an offensive line that appears to have regressed have received most of the blame for the Bears’ offensive ineptitude the first quarter of the season. However, team insiders believe the problems that receivers have had holding on to passes (with No. 1 WR Bernard Berrian at the top of the list) shouldn’t be underestimated.

Sound like anyone you know?

 
FunkyPlutos said:
I see WR as the biggest Free Agent need. I don't mind Bobby Wade (as a 3rd WR), and I like Sidney Rice as a #2 (hopefully #1), but who can be the WR1 or WR2?Javon WalkerDonte StallworthBryant JohnsonBernard BerrianI like Johnson as the best financial option since I see their upside about the same (maybe Walker is a bit higher but he is a pain - so it seems). Everyone seems to see Stallworth as gone in NE but not much has been said about him potentially coming to Minnesota. I also see safety as a need but not sure what is available in the FA market. Let's get excited about the offseason!!
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Walker is the only one with #1 WR ability. Not interested in Stallworth if he wants #1 money. Johnson and Berrian both drop too many balls. Bryant Johnson couldn't even stick as the #3 on that team. With Fitz and Boldin, he would have single coverage on every snap he played and couldn't get it done. Forget it.Free agents to spend money on:Jared AllenMarcus TrufantBoth would be immediate difference makers if they even are available, which they shouldn't be if they're teams are smart.Otherwise keep your picks and try to land another solid class.
 
DEREK ANDERSEN

They need to make him their offseason priority or find a veteran to allow Tarvaris to sit and watch for a year or two.

 
baldgriff said:
FunkyPlutos said:
FavreCo said:
You don't have a QB. If you get Grossman, well...you still don't have a QB.
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Time will tell on Jackson, but I think you are wrong about the Vikings not having a QB.
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I have been thinking about what the Vikes need this offseason and QB is not their biggest need. When TJax has time to throw the ball he looks more than capable. He is big and has a really strong arm. The times he makes mistakes is when he is hurried, so he makes young mistakes. I really think he has potential to be decent. Yes Anderson would look good, but what does Cleveland want for him?The teams real needs in order:A #1 WRA bigtime RT on O-linePass rushing DEUpgrade the Def Secondary.If MN can shore up its right offensive line they will have time to pass. In addition, they need to add the middle screen pass and swing pass to the plays that ADP is brought in to run. Last thing that the Vikings need to have happen, is to have ADP learn to pass block more effectively, which will allow him to be in the game more frequently and open up the screen pass for him also
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Jackson is a terrible QB ( The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL ) he has zero vision , bad mechanics , cant read defenses so eeven if you brought in Randy Moss it would nt change a thing .
 
Traders2001 said:
Jackson is a terrible QB ( The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL ) he has zero vision , bad mechanics , cant read defenses so eeven if you brought in Randy Moss it would nt change a thing .
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;)Exaggerate much? He's made a handful of bad throws under pressure that match your description. Other than that, he's actually become a pretty solid QB. All the hate is unwarranted.
 
Traders2001 said:
baldgriff said:
FunkyPlutos said:
FavreCo said:
You don't have a QB. If you get Grossman, well...you still don't have a QB.
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Time will tell on Jackson, but I think you are wrong about the Vikings not having a QB.
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I have been thinking about what the Vikes need this offseason and QB is not their biggest need. When TJax has time to throw the ball he looks more than capable. He is big and has a really strong arm. The times he makes mistakes is when he is hurried, so he makes young mistakes. I really think he has potential to be decent. Yes Anderson would look good, but what does Cleveland want for him?The teams real needs in order:A #1 WRA bigtime RT on O-linePass rushing DEUpgrade the Def Secondary.If MN can shore up its right offensive line they will have time to pass. In addition, they need to add the middle screen pass and swing pass to the plays that ADP is brought in to run. Last thing that the Vikings need to have happen, is to have ADP learn to pass block more effectively, which will allow him to be in the game more frequently and open up the screen pass for him also
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Jackson is a terrible QB ( The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL ) he has zero vision , bad mechanics , cant read defenses so eeven if you brought in Randy Moss it would nt change a thing .
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Yes his mechanics need work. If they improve, he's got the right demeanor to succeed. The worst QB thing is laughable.
 
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Would there be any upside in trading away Shiancoe for either Losman from BUF or Wallace from SEA? Even if you don't plan on replacing Jackson as the starter, unless he works on conditioning in the off-season, he's got some fragility issues. Seneca Wallace has looked good in spot duty for the 'Hawks and he also has some scrambling ability.

 
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Would there be any upside in trading away Shiancoe for either Losman from BUF or Wallace from SEA? Even if you don't plan on replacing Jackson as the starter, unless he works on conditioning in the off-season, he's got some fragility issues. Seneca Wallace has looked good in spot duty for the 'Hawks and he also has some scrambling ability.
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Absolutely. I would love to see this happen and make TE a priority in the draft; both of those QBs would be huge upgrades to the current backups. The only issue is how much of a cap hit trading Shiancoe would be. I honestly don't know but it's gotta be significant.
 
Polyethylene Bag said:
malice said:
Would there be any upside in trading away Shiancoe for either Losman from BUF or Wallace from SEA? Even if you don't plan on replacing Jackson as the starter, unless he works on conditioning in the off-season, he's got some fragility issues. Seneca Wallace has looked good in spot duty for the 'Hawks and he also has some scrambling ability.
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Absolutely. I would love to see this happen and make TE a priority in the draft; both of those QBs would be huge upgrades to the current backups. The only issue is how much of a cap hit trading Shiancoe would be. I honestly don't know but it's gotta be significant.
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Wouldn't mind seeing them go after Losman, but I think they like Shiancoe too much to trade him away. He didn't have the best year, but I think he will be ok next year, and I like what Garrett Mills showed in the Bronco game, so I don't think TE is that big of a priority.
 
Polyethylene Bag said:
Traders2001 said:
Jackson is a terrible QB ( The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL ) he has zero vision , bad mechanics , cant read defenses so eeven if you brought in Randy Moss it would nt change a thing .
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:sadbanana:Exaggerate much? He's made a handful of bad throws under pressure that match your description. Other than that, he's actually become a pretty solid QB. All the hate is unwarranted.
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Not to mention, as was posted elsewhere, the fact his stats are actually BETTER than McNabb's were after his first 12 starts. Don't get me wrong, I think TJ has a Hell of lot improvement to do in the off season. But to say:
The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL
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is not only :lmao: but a :lmao: trip or typed by someone that doesn't watch much football.
 
malice said:
Would there be any upside in trading away Shiancoe for either Losman from BUF or Wallace from SEA? Even if you don't plan on replacing Jackson as the starter, unless he works on conditioning in the off-season, he's got some fragility issues. Seneca Wallace has looked good in spot duty for the 'Hawks and he also has some scrambling ability.
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Wouldn't mind Loseman as a back-up. Thinking they might actually make a move for Pennington as a backup as I can't see the jets keeping him.
 
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Polyethylene Bag said:
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Would there be any upside in trading away Shiancoe for either Losman from BUF or Wallace from SEA? Even if you don't plan on replacing Jackson as the starter, unless he works on conditioning in the off-season, he's got some fragility issues. Seneca Wallace has looked good in spot duty for the 'Hawks and he also has some scrambling ability.
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Absolutely. I would love to see this happen and make TE a priority in the draft; both of those QBs would be huge upgrades to the current backups. The only issue is how much of a cap hit trading Shiancoe would be. I honestly don't know but it's gotta be significant.
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Considering he single-handedly lost the KC game with his TD drop and botched a number of plays over the course of the season, I'd say the cap hit might be worth the 2 wins he's likely to cost the Vikes again next season.
 
Heatman said:
encaitar said:
Mikey16x said:
Sidney Rice is young... whoever watched him play in college and saw glimpses of him this passed season.. the guy has all the tools to become a #1 in this league.. he's freakishly athletic with a long body and decent speed...

and i was the biggest Tjax hater for a while... i thought i would be a better NFL QB, but after watching him close out the season my mind was changed... i like him.. he has a nice arm... all he needs is time and with that big arm if they can sign berrian in the off-season.. he would be great... stretch the field... you can keep wade as the #3... and rice the big play guy.
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I agree with Berrian. If he does become available I would like the Vikings to grab him over Bryant Johnson. He's a much better deep route runner and has good hands. Basically what Troy Williamson was supposed to have been.

I'm still undecided about TJax. Our defense is getting older(Pat Williams and DSharper are gonna retire soon) and we don't have a huge window for which to become winners. I just don't know if he's gonna figure it out in time to lead this team as it currently stands.
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From PFW:QBs Rex Grossman and Brian Griese, RB Cedric Benson and an offensive line that appears to have regressed have received most of the blame for the Bears’ offensive ineptitude the first quarter of the season. However, team insiders believe the problems that receivers have had holding on to passes (with No. 1 WR Bernard Berrian at the top of the list) shouldn’t be underestimated.

Sound like anyone you know?
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Yeah, Terrell Owens in San Fransisco :confused: True, he doesn't have tremendous hands like a Randy Moss or Marvin Harrison, but to even think about putting him in the same category as Williamson is laughable. He's had some drops this year, but he's also had some ridiculously impossible catches.

If they let Williamson go(which they better), then we are indeed without a deep threat. Berrian would fit that nicely. Sure he may drop one or two from time to time, but I doubt he would try to let the velcro from the numbers on his jersey catch the ball for him(Williamson).

 
encaitar said:
Heatman said:
encaitar said:
Mikey16x said:
Sidney Rice is young... whoever watched him play in college and saw glimpses of him this passed season.. the guy has all the tools to become a #1 in this league.. he's freakishly athletic with a long body and decent speed...

and i was the biggest Tjax hater for a while... i thought i would be a better NFL QB, but after watching him close out the season my mind was changed... i like him.. he has a nice arm... all he needs is time and with that big arm if they can sign berrian in the off-season.. he would be great... stretch the field... you can keep wade as the #3... and rice the big play guy.
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I agree with Berrian. If he does become available I would like the Vikings to grab him over Bryant Johnson. He's a much better deep route runner and has good hands. Basically what Troy Williamson was supposed to have been.

I'm still undecided about TJax. Our defense is getting older(Pat Williams and DSharper are gonna retire soon) and we don't have a huge window for which to become winners. I just don't know if he's gonna figure it out in time to lead this team as it currently stands.
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From PFW:QBs Rex Grossman and Brian Griese, RB Cedric Benson and an offensive line that appears to have regressed have received most of the blame for the Bears’ offensive ineptitude the first quarter of the season. However, team insiders believe the problems that receivers have had holding on to passes (with No. 1 WR Bernard Berrian at the top of the list) shouldn’t be underestimated.

Sound like anyone you know?
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Yeah, Terrell Owens in San Fransisco :confused: True, he doesn't have tremendous hands like a Randy Moss or Marvin Harrison, but to even think about putting him in the same category as Williamson is laughable. He's had some drops this year, but he's also had some ridiculously impossible catches.

If they let Williamson go(which they better), then we are indeed without a deep threat. Berrian would fit that nicely. Sure he may drop one or two from time to time, but I doubt he would try to let the velcro from the numbers on his jersey catch the ball for him(Williamson).
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Rice should be just fine as the deep go-to guy next year. Wade is looking like a decent possession receiver, and if they get a guy like Bryant Johnson to mix things up, that should be all they need out of the passing game.I hope Childress is taking good notes on Jacksonville's play here in the postseason. They're a good blueprint to model this team after right now.

 
Polyethylene Bag said:
Traders2001 said:
Jackson is a terrible QB ( The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL ) he has zero vision , bad mechanics , cant read defenses so eeven if you brought in Randy Moss it would nt change a thing .
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:thumbdown: Exaggerate much? He's made a handful of bad throws under pressure that match your description. Other than that, he's actually become a pretty solid QB. All the hate is unwarranted.
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We must have vastly different views on the definition of "pretty solid". Pretty solid to me would describe the following QB's in the NFL: Eli Manning, Jeff Garcia, Jason Campbell, Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Jake Delhomme, and Marc Bulger. Travaris Jackson isn't even close to ANY of these QB's. I think he has the potential to be an average (or maybe slightly better than average) NFL QB, but is a long ways away from even that. I don't think the poster's assertions were a reach at all, except for the CFL comparison. I do believe he is the worst NFL starting QB.

 
snogger said:
malice said:
Would there be any upside in trading away Shiancoe for either Losman from BUF or Wallace from SEA? Even if you don't plan on replacing Jackson as the starter, unless he works on conditioning in the off-season, he's got some fragility issues. Seneca Wallace has looked good in spot duty for the 'Hawks and he also has some scrambling ability.
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Wouldn't mind Loseman as a back-up. Thinking they might actually make a move for Pennington as a backup as I can't see the jets keeping him.
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I wouldn't mind Pennington as a backup if the Vikings are intent on staying w/ TJack, which I'd strongly prefer they not do. Despite Pennington's limited physical skills, he seems like he would be a good mentor/coach, which TJack desperately needs.
 
NoCheese said:
Polyethylene Bag said:
Traders2001 said:
Jackson is a terrible QB ( The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL ) he has zero vision , bad mechanics , cant read defenses so eeven if you brought in Randy Moss it would nt change a thing .
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:( Exaggerate much? He's made a handful of bad throws under pressure that match your description. Other than that, he's actually become a pretty solid QB. All the hate is unwarranted.
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We must have vastly different views on the definition of "pretty solid". Pretty solid to me would describe the following QB's in the NFL: Eli Manning, Jeff Garcia, Jason Campbell, Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Jake Delhomme, and Marc Bulger. Travaris Jackson isn't even close to ANY of these QB's. I think he has the potential to be an average (or maybe slightly better than average) NFL QB, but is a long ways away from even that. I don't think the poster's assertions were a reach at all, except for the CFL comparison. I do believe he is the worst NFL starting QB.
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Worst starting QB? Alex Smith down?I'll go on record as saying Jackson will be in that group next year. He had some very solid games throughout the season. He also had some pretty bad games, but he showed a lot of improvement over the season and lead a pretty impressive comeback in the Broncos game despite some terrible play-calling and OLine play through most of the game. I'm not going to say that he's going to be the next Peyton Manning, but he does remind me a lot of David Garrard.

 
First off ABOUT TIME someone started this thread :headbang:

My 4 cents on our off-season, sure I'd love to see the Vikings get McNabb for 2-3 years while Action Jackson learns by holding the clipboard but it doesn't look like that is going to happen. Jackson is a kid who failed when the Vikes were on primetime. He looks good when the running game is clicking but when teams had CB's blitzing for run support like in the 49er game and having 8 or 9 in the box, the QB has to take control and he failed. Unfortunately it's all part of the learning curve for Jackson. I think he'll be an above average QB who will be asked to manage the game over the next few years which isn't what I want to see.

As for other options for back-up, first off dump both Holcomb and Bollinger. I'd be ok with Losman coming over. He needs a change of scenary and with a fairly strong OL and a solid running game, with his arm he could be ok here. I won't want to see Anderson come here. He's going to be another Scott Mitchell. I've read somewhere that Winslow and Edwards often had to come up with outstanding catches on balls thrown high or behind them. Those WR's made Anderson look "special" last year and we frankly don't have receivers like that here. So besides the fact that Anderson would want big bucks and it would cost us too much in my option, I'll pass on Anderson. Pennington is done, so no thanks there. He has no arm strength. I'll gladly take a flyer on Leftwich. I think he'll do ok with a training camp and a new system under his belt this summer. The only other QB option I might look at would be Wallace from Seattle.

As for what do to in the draft and free agency, besides upgrade QB, we need pass rushers. Yes I mean TWO of them. So spend the big bucks on someone and use one of their top 2 picks for another. I like what the D/C, Spags, is doing with the G-men. He'll use 3 or 4 DE types on passing downs, utilizing speed. On our surface playing the cover-2, this is what we need most. Also I'd like for us to grab a good west coast type of TE, hopefully Davis from USC in the 2nd. We have some ammo with the extra 3rd rounder from Denver so if we have to move up earlier in the 2nd then do it. I also think we need to address some depth at S and WR and DT.

 
NoCheese said:
Polyethylene Bag said:
Traders2001 said:
Jackson is a terrible QB ( The worst in the league probably and that s including the CFL ) he has zero vision , bad mechanics , cant read defenses so eeven if you brought in Randy Moss it would nt change a thing .
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:thumbup: Exaggerate much? He's made a handful of bad throws under pressure that match your description. Other than that, he's actually become a pretty solid QB. All the hate is unwarranted.
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We must have vastly different views on the definition of "pretty solid". Pretty solid to me would describe the following QB's in the NFL: Eli Manning, Jeff Garcia, Jason Campbell, Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Jake Delhomme, and Marc Bulger. Travaris Jackson isn't even close to ANY of these QB's. I think he has the potential to be an average (or maybe slightly better than average) NFL QB, but is a long ways away from even that. I don't think the poster's assertions were a reach at all, except for the CFL comparison. I do believe he is the worst NFL starting QB.
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Todd Collins' play in Washington this year demonstrates how far Jackson has to go to even be considered a viable starting QB in the NFL.And IIRC, Collins is now a free agent.

 
Christo said:
Todd Collins' play in Washington this year demonstrates how far Jackson has to go to even be considered a viable starting QB in the NFL.And IIRC, Collins is now a free agent.
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David Garrard's play shows how much a player can improve from one season to the next.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Hard to believe the Vikes beat 2 of 4 conference championship finalists. Handily too.
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Those of you with Chicago friends can point out that da Bears lost to those same two teams. :lol:Tho, they did sweep Green Bay, who in turn swept the Vikings...but that part can be left out of the conversation. :mellow:
 
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