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****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)
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ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Well after a rollercoaster season, what do we need? And what don't we need, to get back to the playoffs in 08.
DOES JOE GIBBS RESIGN??????
Say goodbye to Brandon LLyod
Draft needs
DL
OL
Saftey
WR
We really need a BIG WR. When is the last time we threw a fade in the endzone?
A few NFL WR Free Agents.
Bryant Johnson 6-3 UFA. Gets overshadowed in Zona
DJ Hackett 6-2 UFA Ankle problems durning 07
Malcom Floyd 6-5 RFA
Wr's from Draft
James Hardy Indiana 6-6 4.59 (Possible Problem Child)
Limas Sweed Texas 6-5 4.58
Adarius Bowman Oklahoma St 6-4 4.53
Keenan Burton Kentucky 6-1 4.50
Jordy Nelson Kansas 6-3 4.62
Paul Hubbard Wisconsin 6-3 4.49
Will Franklin Missouri 6-1 4.45
Marcus Monk Arkansas 6-6 4.59
De'Cody Fagg FSU 6-2 4.47
Safety's NCAA
Craig Steltz LSU SS 6-1 4.59 (Played with Landry in College)
Jamie Silva BC SS 5-11 4.62 (Was all over the field in his Bowl Game)
Jamar Adams Michigan 6-2 4.52 (Put Tebow on his back several times)
DL Pro
Justin Smith UFA Bengals
OL Pro
Alan Faneca UFA Pittsburgh Steelers (Is Randy Thomas still top Tier? Would we make Kendall a 3rd guard?
Jordan Gross UFA Carolina Panthers (Another year of Jansen missing the whole season.)
These are just a few of the names out there that I've mentioned. Please put in your input!!!
RIP SEAN
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS
DOES JOE GIBBS RESIGN??????
Say goodbye to Brandon LLyod
Draft needs
DL
OL
Saftey
WR
We really need a BIG WR. When is the last time we threw a fade in the endzone?
A few NFL WR Free Agents.
Bryant Johnson 6-3 UFA. Gets overshadowed in Zona
DJ Hackett 6-2 UFA Ankle problems durning 07
Malcom Floyd 6-5 RFA
Wr's from Draft
James Hardy Indiana 6-6 4.59 (Possible Problem Child)
Limas Sweed Texas 6-5 4.58
Adarius Bowman Oklahoma St 6-4 4.53
Keenan Burton Kentucky 6-1 4.50
Jordy Nelson Kansas 6-3 4.62
Paul Hubbard Wisconsin 6-3 4.49
Will Franklin Missouri 6-1 4.45
Marcus Monk Arkansas 6-6 4.59
De'Cody Fagg FSU 6-2 4.47
Safety's NCAA
Craig Steltz LSU SS 6-1 4.59 (Played with Landry in College)
Jamie Silva BC SS 5-11 4.62 (Was all over the field in his Bowl Game)
Jamar Adams Michigan 6-2 4.52 (Put Tebow on his back several times)
DL Pro
Justin Smith UFA Bengals
OL Pro
Alan Faneca UFA Pittsburgh Steelers (Is Randy Thomas still top Tier? Would we make Kendall a 3rd guard?
Jordan Gross UFA Carolina Panthers (Another year of Jansen missing the whole season.)
These are just a few of the names out there that I've mentioned. Please put in your input!!!
RIP SEAN
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Anyone know what our draft picks look like this year, whether we traded any away or if we have any additional? I'm guessing we will have the 21st pick this year...
redman
Footballguy
Here's my recipe for success, broken down by position:
QB: still Campbell's team; resign Collins; dump Brunell; find a legit QB3 who can learn and develop over the next 2-3 years if Campbell flops.
RB: Maintain status quo for one more year; Portis, Betts & Cartwright are all good at what they do, as is Sellers.
TE: Add depth. Cooley is excellent as a blocker and pass catcher, and Yoder is good as a complementary blocking and occasional receiving TE; they need a 3rd TE who is a solid blocker for their jumbo packages.
OL: Add depth across the board. Heyer appears to be starting material eventually and was a nice find, and that may be enough for them at OT for next year if they can keep Wade for a reasonable price; they're thin at OG and C, and need some younger guys to start learning the ropes given that Thomas and Kendall will be 32 and 35, respectively at the start of next season - it's time to see if Lorenzo Alexander can play OG in the NFL, or if he's best suited to play DT or as this utility player they've been using him as. Fabini and Pucillo are only any good for depth, but I'd rather find younger guys to replace them who have a realistic chance of turning into starters one day.
WR: Find another playmaker. Moss is an outstanding WR when he's healthy, but when they lose him to injury (which happens too much) they go from having a dangerous WR corps to one that is below average. Randle El is a good role player and is sufficient as a WR2 if Moss is healthy, but they need more. Resign Caldwell who is a solid possession WR, and who is adept at getting 3rd down catches beyond the marker. See if Mix and/or Espy can make plays and start them if they can. I hate to say it but it's probably time to dump Thrash if they can find a WR who can actually play WR rather than special teams only. McCardell's gone too. Oh, and buh-bye Brandon Lloyd.
DL: They're set at DT for next year; Montgomery and Golston can start, and Griffin can now be used in rotation to save wear and tear on him. Maybe look for depth there, but that's all. Carter is very good at RDE, but could use some help at LDE. The combination of Daniels and Wilson and Evans isn't bad at LDE, but if they can find a single play-maker who is superior in the draft they should draft him. The goal for next year overall should be to be able to generate consistent pass rush with only four guys.
LB: Between Fletcher and Blades they're set for the long-term at MLB. McIntosh's injury and Washington's age make me leery of their situation at OLB though. They need to draft a OLB prospect. Godfrey's probably not back. Campbell will return but he's more of a special teams maven. I figure Blades will play at WLB until McIntosh is healthy.
CB: They need to find Springs' replacement. Springs still "has it", but only when he's healthy, and he's not healthy enough consistently enough anymore, particularly for his price tag. They need a younger, more reliable playmaker at CB to replace Springs, particularly because Rogers is recovering from a knee injury. Smoot is back, and they found a hidden gem of a nickel CB in Torrance, but they still need a front line guy. Hopefully this can be done through the draft as good FA CB's are expensive.
S: Landry is the real deal and should be great; the jury's out on Doughty IMHO, though I was very impressed with his progress. I'm still not confident that he is good enough in pass coverage, something that the revamped, post-Taylor scheme hid. The rest of the safeties are nondescript role players, so getting some young depth here that might pan out long term is probably a good idea. Keep Priolieu if you can for his value on special teams.
PK/P: Suisham impressed me this year (the 30-yard miss yesterday notwithstanding), and deserves to be resigned. Frost was adequate, but seems like he's developing and he too should return.
QB: still Campbell's team; resign Collins; dump Brunell; find a legit QB3 who can learn and develop over the next 2-3 years if Campbell flops.
RB: Maintain status quo for one more year; Portis, Betts & Cartwright are all good at what they do, as is Sellers.
TE: Add depth. Cooley is excellent as a blocker and pass catcher, and Yoder is good as a complementary blocking and occasional receiving TE; they need a 3rd TE who is a solid blocker for their jumbo packages.
OL: Add depth across the board. Heyer appears to be starting material eventually and was a nice find, and that may be enough for them at OT for next year if they can keep Wade for a reasonable price; they're thin at OG and C, and need some younger guys to start learning the ropes given that Thomas and Kendall will be 32 and 35, respectively at the start of next season - it's time to see if Lorenzo Alexander can play OG in the NFL, or if he's best suited to play DT or as this utility player they've been using him as. Fabini and Pucillo are only any good for depth, but I'd rather find younger guys to replace them who have a realistic chance of turning into starters one day.
WR: Find another playmaker. Moss is an outstanding WR when he's healthy, but when they lose him to injury (which happens too much) they go from having a dangerous WR corps to one that is below average. Randle El is a good role player and is sufficient as a WR2 if Moss is healthy, but they need more. Resign Caldwell who is a solid possession WR, and who is adept at getting 3rd down catches beyond the marker. See if Mix and/or Espy can make plays and start them if they can. I hate to say it but it's probably time to dump Thrash if they can find a WR who can actually play WR rather than special teams only. McCardell's gone too. Oh, and buh-bye Brandon Lloyd.
DL: They're set at DT for next year; Montgomery and Golston can start, and Griffin can now be used in rotation to save wear and tear on him. Maybe look for depth there, but that's all. Carter is very good at RDE, but could use some help at LDE. The combination of Daniels and Wilson and Evans isn't bad at LDE, but if they can find a single play-maker who is superior in the draft they should draft him. The goal for next year overall should be to be able to generate consistent pass rush with only four guys.
LB: Between Fletcher and Blades they're set for the long-term at MLB. McIntosh's injury and Washington's age make me leery of their situation at OLB though. They need to draft a OLB prospect. Godfrey's probably not back. Campbell will return but he's more of a special teams maven. I figure Blades will play at WLB until McIntosh is healthy.
CB: They need to find Springs' replacement. Springs still "has it", but only when he's healthy, and he's not healthy enough consistently enough anymore, particularly for his price tag. They need a younger, more reliable playmaker at CB to replace Springs, particularly because Rogers is recovering from a knee injury. Smoot is back, and they found a hidden gem of a nickel CB in Torrance, but they still need a front line guy. Hopefully this can be done through the draft as good FA CB's are expensive.
S: Landry is the real deal and should be great; the jury's out on Doughty IMHO, though I was very impressed with his progress. I'm still not confident that he is good enough in pass coverage, something that the revamped, post-Taylor scheme hid. The rest of the safeties are nondescript role players, so getting some young depth here that might pan out long term is probably a good idea. Keep Priolieu if you can for his value on special teams.
PK/P: Suisham impressed me this year (the 30-yard miss yesterday notwithstanding), and deserves to be resigned. Frost was adequate, but seems like he's developing and he too should return.
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
Yes, I think it is the 21st because TB lost today. Not 100% sure though. Also I am pretty sure that all draft picks are in tact. For the Kendall trade, the Jets were to receive the Skins 5th rounder if he played 80% of snaps, and a 4th rounder in 2009 if he played more than 80% of the snaps. I can't think of any other picks that were dealt away. -Obviously DE is a need, I'm not sure how much Phillip Daniels has left in the tank and Demetric Evans didn't show too much this year either. -Also, WR is another obvious need. ARE had a pretty nice finish to the year and Caldwell put together some nice games down the stretch. Thrash should be back for teams duties/4th/5th WR. It would be nice to snag someone like Sweed or Doucet, should their injury concerns somehow push them into the 2nd round. -I think its a must to draft an OL on day 1. Depth is an obvious concern, especially with Jansen being an obvious injury concern and Thomas coming off of a major injury. Not only that, but none of these guys are spring chickens and its time to bring in some young blood. Heyer was nice, but he still has a ways to go and his upside might be limited. Fabini stinks.-Corner is another position that needs to be looked at in my opinion. Springs has shown to be hesitant about restructuring and who knows what will happen with him. Either way, he's probably gone in 2009 when his cap number increases to near 10 million. Rogers is coming off an injury and Smoot is not a #1 corner. Torrence was a nice bright spot for the team and I'm happy that he's due back. He's a solid nickel/dime corner and decent on teams. Still, I don't think you can have enough depth at the CB position.-I'll say it, I think it would be smart to draft a QB. Campbell showed progress, but what's wrong with cutting Brunell (cap savings of 3.5 million) and keeping Todd Collins?
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Don't we lose a pick for Duckett? Or was that last year?
Meast21
Footballguy
We do not have a fourth this year.
Redman's analysis is spot on, but it doesn't take contracts and cap hits into account. For instance, Jansen has a huge number for an older, oft-injured RT (even if the injuries aren't his fault). While I'm sure he'll restructure, is it time to dump him and go with Heyer? Same thing with Portis. He's got a HUGE cap number. Do we re-up with him or move on?
I just wish someone other than Vinny and Danny were making some of these decisions....
I just wish someone other than Vinny and Danny were making some of these decisions....
fatness
Footballguy
On SportsTalk 980 this morning they were going over whose contracts might be renegotiated, who might be kept, who might be moving on, etc. Just speculation.
Springs --- likely needs to renegoatiate to stay, and probably won't do it. Most difficult decision of all since he's wanted.
Jansen --- has to renegotiate to stay
Samuels --- has to renegotiate and likely will. Also had a stellar year.
Cartwright --- free agent this year, they want badly to keep him. "Core Redskin"
Lloyd --- goodbye
Collins --- free agent, not many other teams have interest in him, likely to stay as Campbell's backup
Daniels --- tough choice, depends on whether they want to get younger or not. Leader.
Griffin --- tough choice, depends on whether they want to get younger or not.
That's all I remember.
Springs --- likely needs to renegoatiate to stay, and probably won't do it. Most difficult decision of all since he's wanted.
Jansen --- has to renegotiate to stay
Samuels --- has to renegotiate and likely will. Also had a stellar year.
Cartwright --- free agent this year, they want badly to keep him. "Core Redskin"
Lloyd --- goodbye
Collins --- free agent, not many other teams have interest in him, likely to stay as Campbell's backup
Daniels --- tough choice, depends on whether they want to get younger or not. Leader.
Griffin --- tough choice, depends on whether they want to get younger or not.
That's all I remember.
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Meast21
Footballguy
Yup, you are correct.
dgreen
Footballguy
They may just be saying the right things, but all the player interviews in the parking lot yesterday as guys were packing their cars talked about the bond they formed and that many guys will do what it takes to keep this team together.I think Portis will renegotiate if he needs to. I can Jansen doing that too. Springs is the tough one, IMO. Last year, he refused to renegotiate. We'll see what happens there. I think they need him, especially since Rogers is no lock to be back by week 1 next year.I think the UFA are:CollinsCartwrightCaldwellMcCardellFabiniPrioleauSuishamFrostKeep (for the right price): Collins, Carwright, Caldwell, SuishamLet go: McCardell, Fabini, FrostDon't care: Prioleau
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I thought Kendall cost a 5th rounder this year if he played 80% of the snaps and a 4th rounder in 2009 if he played more than 80% of the snaps?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2988171
dgreen
Footballguy
According the Warpath cap sheet, here are the UFA:
Todd Collins
Randall Godfrey
Pierson Prioleau
Derrick Frost
Ethan Albright
Mike Pucillo
Ross Tucker
Jason Fabini
David Macklin
Shaun Suisham
Ryan Boschetti
Nehemiah Broughton
Reche Caldwell
Keenan McCardell
Brian Kozlowski
Rick DeMulling
OmarStoutmire
Guys contributing more than $3M to the 2008 cap:
They probably need to get at least 3 of the top 5 to renegotiate. Brunell will be cut. Lloyd will be cut, but I think he'll actually cost them money. They'll probably have to wait until after June 1 to cut him so it will on 2009 instead of 2008. They'll need some others in there to renegotiate, like Washington, Griffin, Moss, ARE, and Daniels. Wade needs to be renegotiated or cut.
Todd Collins
Randall Godfrey
Pierson Prioleau
Derrick Frost
Ethan Albright
Mike Pucillo
Ross Tucker
Jason Fabini
David Macklin
Shaun Suisham
Ryan Boschetti
Nehemiah Broughton
Reche Caldwell
Keenan McCardell
Brian Kozlowski
Rick DeMulling
OmarStoutmire
Guys contributing more than $3M to the 2008 cap:
Code:
Player Cap (000)Clinton Portis $8,875Jon Jansen $8,833Randy Thomas $8,758Chris Samuels $8,250Shawn Springs $7,483Mark Brunell $6,516Marcus Washington $6,445Cornelius Griffin $6,166Santana Moss $5,883Andre Carter $4,987Brandon Lloyd $4,283Antwaan Randle El $4,153Laron Landry $3,853Phillip Daniels $3,757Casey Rabach $3,650London Fletcher $3,440Ladell Betts $3,405Todd Wade $3,047redman
Footballguy
It was done that way on purpose as that gets pretty complex with different scenarios (e.g. can they keep Jansen if Portis doesn't restructure?). Obviously, there are players who need to restructure, but I was just aiming at who I thought could contribute next year and going forward based upon their performance and age primarily.
redman
Footballguy
I want both of these guys back as long as it's for the right price (whatever that ends up meaning). Daniels in particular hasn't IMHO lost anything (remember that he's a natural RDE who moved over for Carter, and he's still a good run stopper and is as good as anyone at getting his hands up and deflecting passes. Griffin is slowing down, but when played for fewer plays in a rotation is fine. Fortunately Monty and Golston are there to keep the load off of him. Unless I'm blown away by a younger pickup at one or the other position, I think the team needs them back.
Interesting that you've got over $17M in cap space on the right side of the OL and that both missed most of the season. Both Jansen and Thomas have to do some restructuring.I'd also think seriously about whacking Santana Moss, and as much as I love him as a receiver, he did drop an awful lot of balls this season.
redman
Footballguy
No way. He had a bad year, but they have nothing remotely resembling a playmaker without him. He's an elite WR when he's healthy. To me you build with him, which is what I'm sure the team will do. Doesn't Taylor affect their cap this year too? Isn't it as if they cut him from the roster? I don't think it's a huge hit as it was still his rookie contract, but I think they do take a hit for him too.
dgreen
Footballguy
I agree. I'd actually like to see them spend some money on a WR this year. I'd like them to address the OL and DL some, but I think they should be willing to spend for a legit WR1 or WR2.
From that sheet linked above, it looks like he'll count $1,913 in 2008 to be on the roster or $4,190 to be released. They could wait until after June 1 and it would cost them $2,095 in 2009.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I'm with you, I would not want to get rid of Moss by any means. I'm not sure I'd be happy with shelling out some serious cash to a WR. The open market is pretty thin and guys like Berrian, Hackett and Bryant Johnson figure to all cash in with big deals since they're pretty much the best of what is available. I like Hackett, but he's seemingly always hurt. The way ARE played towards the end of the year, I'm not sure that Hackett or Johnson are big upgrades of him, if at all. Plus, how could we possibly tie up more big money into the WR position? I say resign Caldwell or bring in someone like Brandon Stoakley. And spend a day 1 pick on a WR. Hopefully one of the guys that spent much of 2007 injured, like Sweed or Doucet, fall in the 2nd round. Otherwise a guy like Manningham is being projected as a mid 2nd rounder right now too.
Having trouble letting this season go, even when they were clearly outplayed for about 50 minutes Saturday. Very important offseason ahead. Nice to have an almost full complement of picks going into the draft; hopefully it stays that way through the draft.
Early word is Briggs is on the radar again.
fatness
Footballguy
Code:
Player Cap (000)Clinton Portis $8,875 will renegotiateJon Jansen $8,833 will renegotiateRandy Thomas $8,758 will renegotiateChris Samuels $8,250 will renegotiateShawn Springs $7,483 won'tMark Brunell $6,516 cutMarcus Washington $6,445 Cornelius Griffin $6,166 will be asked to renegotiateSantana Moss $5,883 will be asked to renegotiate Andre Carter $4,987 Brandon Lloyd $4,283 cutAntwaan Randle El $4,153 Laron Landry $3,853 Phillip Daniels $3,757 will be asked to renegotiateCasey Rabach $3,650London Fletcher $3,440Ladell Betts $3,405Todd Wade $3,047fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Gibbs isn't saying whether he'll coach next season
Transcript of press conferenceMy guesses: Gibbs wants a raise, so he wouldn't commit to coming back before meeting with Snyder. Gibbs wants Collins back, so he wouldn't say out loud that Campbell already has the starting gig locked up.
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ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Why becuase of Rocky's injuryTeddyKGB said:
redman
Footballguy
And Marcus Washington's age and recent injury problems. It's a good move if it's for the right price.
And Marcus Washington's age and recent injury problems. It's a good move if it's for the right price.
My guess is they will go for continuity and Gregg Williams will be name HC. I don't think it will be Sanders since it is still not clear that his offense is that much better than anyone else's offense.Joe Bugel will probably also retire. Four years ago, Bugel said he would only go back to coaching for Gibbs.If they start from scratch, Snyder will probably go hard for Bill Cowher.
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phrozen
Footballguy
They can't name Williams right away. Let us not forget the Rooney rule here.
dgreen
Footballguy
I think they'll interview Coach Janky Spanky today.
Rooney rule says they have to interview a minority candidate - so they just can't name GW the coach. Regardless, my choice is to have GW as head coach, with Saunders as Offensive Coach - lets unleash both of them. Attacking, highpower offense and an attacking, run stuffing, blitz crazy defense.
fatness
Footballguy
I don't think Gregg William is a lock here, or even necessarily the best choice. Players have been somewhat uphappy with him at times in the past (end of last year for example), and he did poorly as a head coach the first time around, leaving few defenders at that time. I'd be surprised if they did not interview Cowher.
Perhaps more importantly, this leaves personnel matters in the hands of Snyder and Cerrato. That has to change, or they'll continue to #### up.
Perhaps more importantly, this leaves personnel matters in the hands of Snyder and Cerrato. That has to change, or they'll continue to #### up.
Ray Rhodes was one of the first interviews 4 years ago. And the word was that Snyder liked Rhodes a lot.
I thought that was when they hired Marty or Spurrier. Remember Rhodes was the DC for one year for Spurrier.
redman
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
The disastisfaction with Williams last year came from one guy - Archuleta - in an anonymous article. Williams completely reformed that defense after a meticulous review of game film exactly one year ago, and by all accounts did a tremendous job. Don't lend too much credence to that attack article.
Ray Rhodes IIRC has serious health (diabetes?) problems and would not be a good coaching candidate for that reason.
fatness
Footballguy
I wasn't referring to that at all. There was other behind-the-scenes talk about Williams at the end of the year by players who wanted to remain anonymous.
