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tommyGunZ

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Yeah, you caught us with a new head coach still hung over from last years playoff loss earlier this year in Foxboro. But before that, the last time we were in Boston, we took names later: San Diego 41 New England 17

More of that to come this weekend; sorry to spoil your perfection party.



LIGHTS ####### OUT!!!!!!!!!

:lmao: :thumbup: :boxing:

 
Yeah, you caught us with a new head coach still hung over from last years playoff loss earlier this year in Foxboro. But before that, the last time we were in Boston, we took names later: San Diego 41 New England 17

More of that to come this weekend; sorry to spoil your perfection party.



LIGHTS ####### OUT!!!!!!!!!

:o :lmao: :lmao:
I remember that game. Care to compare what rosters looked like then vs. now. :o As a Pats fan, I'll try to be objective, but I don't know how a banged up SD team comes into NE and wins. Would take lots of turnovers and ST plays. Of course it's possible, but with Rivers, LT & Gates not 100%, chances are slim.

A healthy Charger team could make it a game, but not this squad. This is where having a playoff bye is such a huge advantage.

 
Ha. While I appreciate your team loyalty, the Chargers are going to be nothing more than a play toy for the Pats. This one will be over by halftime.

 
Yeah, you caught us with a new head coach still hung over from last years playoff loss earlier this year in Foxboro. But before that, the last time we were in Boston, we took names later: San Diego 41 New England 17

More of that to come this weekend; sorry to spoil your perfection party.



LIGHTS ####### OUT!!!!!!!!!

:ptts: :wub: :X
It's good to see you supporting your team."We don't talk; we produce."

- Rodney Harrison

:thumbup:

 
Well any chance the Bolts had just went out the window.
Seriously, I'd be pissed at this thread if I was a Bolts fan. Although, the Chargers already had a fork stuck in them before this thread popped up.The best they can hope for is not to be embarrassed.
 
FWIW, I thought your team had a chance a month ago

Jacksonville is the first I thought of, but San Diego can do it IF Rivers plays well, Gates is healthy, and Merriman is 100%.

Pats aren't that good against the run and LT & Company can put up over 200 yards if the defense keeps the game close.
I still think there's a chance, but I sure wouldn't be betting on it. If everyone was healthy, I honestly think SD would win this right now.
 
Jesus... Tommy just "TGunz'ed his own team.....
This is news? See Lakers re: Bynum, Andrew.But much like Phil Rivers's madcap antics TommyGunZ is TommyGunZ - he aint gonna change as much as some of us would like him to tone it down so he doesn't gooch our favorite team, AGAIN! :goodposting:
 
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Well any chance the Bolts had just went out the window.
Seriously, I'd be pissed at this thread if I was a Bolts fan. Although, the Chargers already had a fork stuck in them before this thread popped up.The best they can hope for is not to be embarrassed.
A fork??? When Gunz weighs in for you it's like Wiley Coyote v. Road Runner.
 
Well any chance the Bolts had just went out the window.
Seriously, I'd be pissed at this thread if I was a Bolts fan. Although, the Chargers already had a fork stuck in them before this thread popped up.The best they can hope for is not to be embarrassed.
A fork??? When Gunz weighs in for you it's like Wiley Coyote v. Road Runner.
Is that coyote related to Wile E.?
Cut me some slack, I've been smoking the same stuff Gunz has.
 
Well any chance the Bolts had just went out the window.
Seriously, I'd be pissed at this thread if I was a Bolts fan. Although, the Chargers already had a fork stuck in them before this thread popped up.The best they can hope for is not to be embarrassed.
Incorrect. Smack talk is always good. The upside is you get to crow loudly if your team wins. The downside is you have to deal with the cold reality if your team loses.Example: "Tony Eason is gonna lay waste to the Bears secondary, and punch Walter Payton and William Perry in da mouf!"

 
nxmehta said:
BassNBrew said:
Well any chance the Bolts had just went out the window.
Seriously, I'd be pissed at this thread if I was a Bolts fan. Although, the Chargers already had a fork stuck in them before this thread popped up.The best they can hope for is not to be embarrassed.
I'm embarrassed for you for this post.
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
nxmehta said:
BassNBrew said:
Well any chance the Bolts had just went out the window.
Seriously, I'd be pissed at this thread if I was a Bolts fan. Although, the Chargers already had a fork stuck in them before this thread popped up.The best they can hope for is not to be embarrassed.
Incorrect. Smack talk is always good. The upside is you get to crow loudly if your team wins. The downside is you have to deal with the cold reality if your team loses.Example: "Tony Eason is gonna lay waste to the Bears secondary, and punch Walter Payton and William Perry in da mouf!"
:confused: This is all in good fun.

Sort of. LIGHTS OUT!!!!!

 
I liked this article. I guess here's as good a place as any for it. :confused:

Randy Moss vs. Norv Turner: These two ex-Raiders are probably driving Al Davis crazy!

By Tim Kawakami

Monday, January 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm in Raiders, NFL.

Al Davis watches all these games, of course.

I’m told he watches college bowl games obsessively, but Mr. D has to be locked in on NFL playoff games most of all, since He is Who He Is, and this league is what it is partly because of Al.

He watches all the games–his Raiders haven’t actually been in a postseason game since the Super Bowl loss on Jan. 26, 2003, so that’s a lot of playoff games for Al to just sit and watch.

He had to be going crazy over the weekend, however, watching Randy Moss breeze into the AFC title game with the Patriots and Norv Turner squeezing his Chargers into the same spot.

Randy vs. Norv for a spot in the Super Bowl.

Other than the dread fear of ever seeing Mike Shanahan or Jon Gruden win more Super Bowls (not a large chance of that), I think the dramatic success of Moss and Turner are Al’s greatest 2008 nightmares and tell the most chilling tales about all that has gone wrong with Al’s Raiders.

Al tries. Al cares. I respect Al for that. Al knows more about football than me and a thousand mes could ever know. I acknowledge that. But he has screwed it up with the Raiders for a while now, and Sunday’s AFC title game shows us precisely how…

* When Al hired Norv to coach the Raiders to replace Bill Callahan in 2004, AD was counting on a proven X-and-O guy to tamp down the unruliness–a players’ kind of coach who could just lay down the right gameplan for Al’s gaudy collection of talent.

That’d be “gaudy” in Al’s mind only, of course, but Al’s mind is the only one that counts in Raiderland.

Norv, in many ways, was the kind of coach Al needs now–not a big personality (Al always dominates), not going to upset the players (the anti-Callahan), can set up a nice offensive gameplan (like Gruden), and get the Al Weapons down field.

But wait. That didn’t happen with Turner in his two seasons with the Raiders. Something in that equation failed. The players sort of liked him and there were no rebellions. But nothing happened, either.

Al’s conclusion: Norv was a failure with all that “great” Raider talent, so therefore Al must’ve over-estimated Norv’s coaching ability.

WRONG. Norv somehow got the Chargers, who were without their best offensive players in the fourth quarter, to beat Indianapolis in Indy to get to the AFC title game.

Now, I’ve probably criticized Norv’s head-coaching skills as much as anybody. Think he’s an excellent offensive coordinator, not so much with the leadership and the will you need as a head coach.

But, unlike during his time with the Raiders, Norv has lots of talent to work with in San Diego, and he has worked it into very nice shape.

My conclusion: Norv’s not a great coach and he’d probably fail in 25 to 30 other spots. He failed in Oakland.

But the greater failure during Turner’s Raider career was Davis’ inability to put together a roster that made sense; the greatest failure was that Al isn’t as good an executive as the Chargers’ A.J. Smith.

That has got to be a killer for Al, if he could ever admit that to himself as he watches these games.

* When Al traded for Moss almost three years ago, this was the perfect new Raider: Supremely talented, fast, scary, still in his prime, but run out of his old team because of behaviorial issues.

That’s exactly the kind of player Davis always embraced and that’s the kind of player–25 years ago–that helped Davis win Super Bowls.

Raiders HQ is supposed to be the greatest place in the world for off-beat personalities who, if left alone, can just win.

But Moss didn’t win. Moss, after about three weeks in the Raiders’ actual (instead of imagined) ghostly atmosphere, just decided there was no chance to win in Oakland. Moss basically rebuffed Al’s outreach.

Davis fumed. Fired Norv to get Moss a better coach. Hired Art Shell and Tom Walsh. And Moss just shut it down even more last year.

So as part of his hiring of Lane Kiffin, Al knew he had to move Moss to give his young coach a fresh start. Al didn’t love the idea, but knew he had to do it.

He traded Moss to the Patriots and his old buddy Bill Belichick. For nothing. Oops, a fourth-round. John Bowie. Nothing.

The general conclusion: Moss quit on the Raiders and he was done as a significant force. I thought so myself.

WRONG. What happens to Moss? Greatest individual TD season WR has ever had. Never a problem in the locker room ruled by Tom Brady. Great attitude. Blocks. Runs out everything.

Moss even was happy on Saturday catching just a single pass: Hey, if the team wins, so what?

Which tells Davis: The Raiders’ locker room is so life-sapping that it caused Moss–the epitome of Davis’ kind of player–to quit. Once he found a winning team, Moss snapped right back to life.

That has to make Al grapple with everything he has believed in about his franchise–Moss is the canary in the cold mine.

And it sets up Moss for something huge on Sunday, for his old coach Norv.

That has got to burn Davis, in several different ways. The Raiders have failed and failed and failed, and this upcoming AFC title game only emphasizes it all, in detail.
 
phthalatemagic said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
"We don't talk; we produce."- Rodney Harrison
Why would he say such a thing?
Well he was amped up on HGH at the time, that he had just gotten from Brady, and he and Goodell were discussing the best ways to conceal the NFL conspiracy to hand another superbowl to the Pats. Belichick was supposed to be at the meeting, but he found out one of the other team's GMs was dying of cancer so he flew out there immediately to see if he could steal the guy's wife.I assume this reply meets with your approval. Run along now and go play on the freeway.
 
I liked this article. I guess here's as good a place as any for it. :rolleyes:

Randy Moss vs. Norv Turner: These two ex-Raiders are probably driving Al Davis crazy!

By Tim Kawakami

Monday, January 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm in Raiders, NFL.

....

Which tells Davis: The Raiders’ locker room is so life-sapping that it caused Moss–the epitome of Davis’ kind of player–to quit. Once he found a winning team, Moss snapped right back to life.
Good stuff; thanks for posting.If I'm a Raider fan, I take comfort in the fact that Al can't hang on forever.

A related question: who are the "leaders in the locker room" on the Chargers roster? Is their youth a detriment, as it appears to be for the Cowboys?

 
I liked this article. I guess here's as good a place as any for it. :thumbup:

Randy Moss vs. Norv Turner: These two ex-Raiders are probably driving Al Davis crazy!

By Tim Kawakami

Monday, January 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm in Raiders, NFL.

....

Which tells Davis: The Raiders’ locker room is so life-sapping that it caused Moss–the epitome of Davis’ kind of player–to quit. Once he found a winning team, Moss snapped right back to life.
Good stuff; thanks for posting.If I'm a Raider fan, I take comfort in the fact that Al can't hang on forever.

A related question: who are the "leaders in the locker room" on the Chargers roster? Is their youth a detriment, as it appears to be for the Cowboys?
Good question. Obviously there is no Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Ronnie Lott, but I think LT, Eric Parker, and Marlon McCree, Roman Oben, and Shawne Merriman have been identified as team leaders in the past.
 
I liked this article. I guess here's as good a place as any for it. :thumbup:

Randy Moss vs. Norv Turner: These two ex-Raiders are probably driving Al Davis crazy!

By Tim Kawakami

Monday, January 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm in Raiders, NFL.

....

Which tells Davis: The Raiders’ locker room is so life-sapping that it caused Moss–the epitome of Davis’ kind of player–to quit. Once he found a winning team, Moss snapped right back to life.
Good stuff; thanks for posting.If I'm a Raider fan, I take comfort in the fact that Al can't hang on forever.

A related question: who are the "leaders in the locker room" on the Chargers roster? Is their youth a detriment, as it appears to be for the Cowboys?
Good question. Obviously there is no Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Ronnie Lott, but I think LT, Eric Parker, and Marlon McCree, Roman Oben, and Shawne Merriman have been identified as team leaders in the past.
Maybe LaDainian will read another poem to the team.I think the guys look up to Lorenzo Neal. I also think Jamal Williams has been more of a locker room presence this season. Gates seems to be a good influence and have a good perspective.

In truth, on the best teams, it's not a guy, or a couple of guys - it's everybody, just like it is with the Pats.

 
Ellis Hobbs, Tedy Bruschi and Junior Seau, three guys that have taken heat here and there from Pats fans and media this year, are all upgrades over Duane Starks, Monte Beisel and Chad Brown (respectively) who played in that 2005 game. Let's not even talk about the differences on the Pats' offense.

On a side note, that 2005 Pats team was two outstanding Tom Brady games from starting off 1-5. The 41-17 Chargers game was a pretty good indicator of how that team needed to improve the rest of the way.

 
FUBAR said:
FWIW, I thought your team had a chance a month ago

Jacksonville is the first I thought of, but San Diego can do it IF Rivers plays well, Gates is healthy, and Merriman is 100%.

Pats aren't that good against the run and LT & Company can put up over 200 yards if the defense keeps the game close.
I still think there's a chance, but I sure wouldn't be betting on it. If everyone was healthy, I honestly think SD would win this right now.
Based on............
 
phthalatemagic said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
"We don't talk; we produce."- Rodney Harrison
Why would he say such a thing?
Well he was amped up on HGH at the time, that he had just gotten from Brady, and he and Goodell were discussing the best ways to conceal the NFL conspiracy to hand another superbowl to the Pats. Belichick was supposed to be at the meeting, but he found out one of the other team's GMs was dying of cancer so he flew out there immediately to see if he could steal the guy's wife.I assume this reply meets with your approval. Run along now and go play on the freeway.
Boy aren't you clever. I guess you Hollywood writers have to do something with your time off.
 
phthalatemagic said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
"We don't talk; we produce."- Rodney Harrison
Why would he say such a thing?
Well he was amped up on HGH at the time, that he had just gotten from Brady, and he and Goodell were discussing the best ways to conceal the NFL conspiracy to hand another superbowl to the Pats. Belichick was supposed to be at the meeting, but he found out one of the other team's GMs was dying of cancer so he flew out there immediately to see if he could steal the guy's wife.I assume this reply meets with your approval. Run along now and go play on the freeway.
You forgot about the toxic waste Pats fans who were in on the dirty little secret.
 
phthalatemagic said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
"We don't talk; we produce."- Rodney Harrison
Why would he say such a thing?
Well he was amped up on HGH at the time, that he had just gotten from Brady, and he and Goodell were discussing the best ways to conceal the NFL conspiracy to hand another superbowl to the Pats. Belichick was supposed to be at the meeting, but he found out one of the other team's GMs was dying of cancer so he flew out there immediately to see if he could steal the guy's wife.I assume this reply meets with your approval. Run along now and go play on the freeway.
That was a very poor answer.-5/10
 
Despite the media hype for Brady's play this past weekend Rivers actually was better on a per play basis.

"When looking at the numbers below, it's important to note that Quick Reads is measuring players not just by how well they played but by how much they did. Therefore, sometimes a player who was better on a per-play basis will end up with a lower rank by DPAR. To give an example, the best quarterback per play (what we call DVOA) was Philip Rivers, not Tom Brady. This also explains why Tony Romo shows up higher than Eli Manning, even though Manning was better per play."

Link

 
Despite the media hype for Brady's play this past weekend Rivers actually was better on a per play basis.

"When looking at the numbers below, it's important to note that Quick Reads is measuring players not just by how well they played but by how much they did. Therefore, sometimes a player who was better on a per-play basis will end up with a lower rank by DPAR. To give an example, the best quarterback per play (what we call DVOA) was Philip Rivers, not Tom Brady. This also explains why Tony Romo shows up higher than Eli Manning, even though Manning was better per play."

Link
Any statistic that shows Rivers as better than Brady is flawed! :goodposting:
 
Does that statistic have any real relevance? Both QBs played a good game, and both made great reads and great throws.

 
Does that statistic have any real relevance? Both QBs played a good game, and both made great reads and great throws.
Would it have any relevance if I told you over the course of the season Brady was leading by far over every other quarterback? I'm just pointing out that despite the media attention that has so far from what I've seen focused on the Colts miscues that cost them the game and whatever smart ### interactions Rivers may have had with the fans that Rivers really had an awesome game and if he gets healthy and the line can protect him once again he might have another one in him.
 
Despite the media hype for Brady's play this past weekend Rivers actually was better on a per play basis.

"When looking at the numbers below, it's important to note that Quick Reads is measuring players not just by how well they played but by how much they did. Therefore, sometimes a player who was better on a per-play basis will end up with a lower rank by DPAR. To give an example, the best quarterback per play (what we call DVOA) was Philip Rivers, not Tom Brady. This also explains why Tony Romo shows up higher than Eli Manning, even though Manning was better per play."

Link
nice find PL. ;)
 
Sleep well tonight Pats fans, 6 more days left in your season.

Lights OUT!!!!!

 
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Does that statistic have any real relevance? Both QBs played a good game, and both made great reads and great throws.
Would it have any relevance if I told you over the course of the season Brady was leading by far over every other quarterback? I'm just pointing out that despite the media attention that has so far from what I've seen focused on the Colts miscues that cost them the game and whatever smart ### interactions Rivers may have had with the fans that Rivers really had an awesome game and if he gets healthy and the line can protect him once again he might have another one in him.
So, to paraphrase... IF he gets healthy, and IF the line plays out of its mind again... then he might be able to lead the Bolts to enough points to stay close? ;)
 
Does that statistic have any real relevance? Both QBs played a good game, and both made great reads and great throws.
Would it have any relevance if I told you over the course of the season Brady was leading by far over every other quarterback? I'm just pointing out that despite the media attention that has so far from what I've seen focused on the Colts miscues that cost them the game and whatever smart ### interactions Rivers may have had with the fans that Rivers really had an awesome game and if he gets healthy and the line can protect him once again he might have another one in him.
So, to paraphrase... IF he gets healthy, and IF the line plays out of its mind again... then he might be able to lead the Bolts to enough points to stay close? :confused:
The line doesn't need to play out of its mind. The Patriots have the weakest defense they have faced this postseason.
 
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I liked this article. I guess here's as good a place as any for it. :confused:

Randy Moss vs. Norv Turner: These two ex-Raiders are probably driving Al Davis crazy!

By Tim Kawakami

Monday, January 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm in Raiders, NFL.

....

Which tells Davis: The Raiders’ locker room is so life-sapping that it caused Moss–the epitome of Davis’ kind of player–to quit. Once he found a winning team, Moss snapped right back to life.
Good stuff; thanks for posting.If I'm a Raider fan, I take comfort in the fact that Al can't hang on forever.

A related question: who are the "leaders in the locker room" on the Chargers roster? Is their youth a detriment, as it appears to be for the Cowboys?
Good question. Obviously there is no Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Ronnie Lott, but I think LT, Eric Parker, and Marlon McCree, Roman Oben, and Shawne Merriman have been identified as team leaders in the past.
Is Eric Parker even in the NFL anymore?I know he's not in pads, but Lo Neal was the man among boys in that locker room. Donnie Edwards was also a big presence that has been lost.

 
Donnie Edwards was also a big presence that has been lost.
On the field, but not in the locker room. I won't try to dig up a link since it was over a year ago, but it was a Union-Trib article that said many of his teammates privately resented his frequent griping about being underappreciated. He was not one of the team leaders in the locker room.
 
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Donnie Edwards was also a big presence that has been lost.
On the field, but not in the locker room. I won't try to dig up a link since it was over a year ago, but it was a Union-Trib article that said many of his teammates privately resented his frequent griping about being underappreciated. He was not one of the team leaders in the locker room.
OK, I said I wasn't going to, but I got the link:"But while he is widely referred to from the outside as a team leader, Edwards is rarely mentioned by teammates in the same vein as Tomlinson or Lorenzo Neal. And teammates privately lament his frequent gripes about being underappreciated."

 
They gave Indy pretty much all they had. Coming back to SD and then traveling out to NE is going to be rough, especially with the injuries.

 
They gave Indy pretty much all they had. Coming back to SD and then traveling out to NE is going to be rough, especially with the injuries.
Yes, all the travel makes it a very short week.They don't practice Monday or Tuesday of this week. They will practice Wednesday and Thursday afternoon, then fly to NE on Friday. They will hold a practice before the flight, but that's just three practices before Saturday's walk-through and Sunday's game. Rivers, Gates, and LT probably won't practice at all. (None of this is an excuse if the Chargers fail to win by more than a touchdown. It's just the way things worked out.)
 

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