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10. *DeSean Jackson, WR, California (5-11, 168) (1 Viewer)
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joefootball
Footballguy
This kid is lighting in a bottle. Has tons of ability may be a bit raw though.
AllVolUT
Footballguy
That's actually a pretty decent comparison amongst he and Ginn - one that I hadn't put together myself. I remember watching this kid named 'Desean' in the High School All-American Game. Since then, it seems as if he's only bettered himself...I know he scared the hell outta me during the UT/Cal games.
The kid has 28 total tds in 36 career games. Almost a quarter of his touches resulted in a gain of 20+ yards. I'm not sure how this compares to Ginn, but to steal the above quote...this kid sure is lighting in a bottle.
And in accordance to Ginn, some of the backlash might not have necessarily been his fault. It seems as if the organization could have went a million other ways w/ their pick, and instead they went WR whom was projected a mid-to-late first rounder.
The kid has 28 total tds in 36 career games. Almost a quarter of his touches resulted in a gain of 20+ yards. I'm not sure how this compares to Ginn, but to steal the above quote...this kid sure is lighting in a bottle.
And in accordance to Ginn, some of the backlash might not have necessarily been his fault. It seems as if the organization could have went a million other ways w/ their pick, and instead they went WR whom was projected a mid-to-late first rounder.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
I never realized Jackson was that small.
FUBAR
Footballguy
There's that concern, plus how is he going to take hits from guys like Rodney Harrison, Roy Williams, etc. Can he go over the middle and risk getting hit by Urlacher or Willis? Wes Welker is 17 lbs heavier and 2 inches shorter. The lightest guy I can think of, Darren Sproles, has 13 lbs but is 3 inches shorter (granted, RB/WR is a different concern).Accordingly, he may be drafted, but it won't be anywhere near #10.
Pauli Walnuts
Footballguy
Kiper also had Mike Williams #1. Take his rankings with a grain of salt.Our Gang said:
az_prof
Footballguy
Kiper gets a lot of attention with his draft predictions and rankings, but how good is he? I remember a lot more misses like Mike Williams than hits. I agree about taking his rankings with a grain of salt.Personally, I like Manningham better than Jackson, but he is also smallish.
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massraider
Footballguy
That might mean something if Kiper was alone in his ranking, and everyone else was calling him a bust. While a lot of people said Williams was too slow, there were more people saying he was the goods.Kiper's early rankings are made to get people talking. They will change dramatically by draft day.The guy watches more tape than any of us, and knows all about those Day 2 guys. He is wrong often, just like all the other draftniks.
cstu
Footballguy
BMW had the goods, but he sold them for a box of Butterfingers.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I think Jackson is going to be fine. In my defense of Ginn last year, I pointed out that he wasn't just good at beating jams in college, he was great at it. The Buckeye offense ran hitches to force corners to try and jam Ginn, which was nearly impossible. Jackson is not as good off the LoS. Cason jammed him easily and completely took him out of a game, but DeSean has a lot to offer after that. He does run some absolutely wicked routes. Ginn's routes were terribly underrated, but DeSean's can be just plain sick. Hands of both are underrated. DeSean is better with the quicks and cuts. I'm a little on the fence because of his size, and I have stood right next to him. Man, he is skin and bone, but the guy is a legit gamebreaker and no defense can jam him every play. He can be put in the slot or in motion, and the quicks will make him incredibly dangerous.
Balco
Footballguy
Should develop into a solid slot receiver, nothing more.
But . . . this guy is going to make his $$$ returning kicks. He is unreal in that department. If Hester went in the 2nd round based solely on return skills, I definitely could see Jackson going 2nd due to his great return skills, and his receiving ability. He isn't going to be a # 1 or # 2 WR, but slot receivers are very important in the NFL.
But . . . this guy is going to make his $$$ returning kicks. He is unreal in that department. If Hester went in the 2nd round based solely on return skills, I definitely could see Jackson going 2nd due to his great return skills, and his receiving ability. He isn't going to be a # 1 or # 2 WR, but slot receivers are very important in the NFL.
Slider
Footballguy
He's a much better WR than Ginn was. As far as weight goes, it's all about what you're made of. Plenty of thinner guys never get hurt and plenty of big guys do. You're either durable or you're not.
Todd Pinkston was the thinnest player I've ever seen. Granted, he got hurt but it was his Achilles that did him in. He took some vicious hits and got up every time.
If Jackson gets in the right O he'll be a star.
Todd Pinkston was the thinnest player I've ever seen. Granted, he got hurt but it was his Achilles that did him in. He took some vicious hits and got up every time.
If Jackson gets in the right O he'll be a star.
Aussie Cowboy
Footballguy
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
California WR DeSean Jackson measured in at 5'9/169 at the NFL Combine weigh-in.
This is significant. Jackson was listed at 6'0/172 during his Cal days. He still has superior explosiveness to hang his hat on, but teams may not view such a diminutive player as a legitimate outside receiver right away. Expect Jackson to fall at least to the bottom of the first round
This is significant. Jackson was listed at 6'0/172 during his Cal days. He still has superior explosiveness to hang his hat on, but teams may not view such a diminutive player as a legitimate outside receiver right away. Expect Jackson to fall at least to the bottom of the first round
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Steve Smith is 5'9 180ish and nobody jams him. Kid is small but possible to put on 10 pounds. Santana Moss is also about 5'9 180.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't think any team should consider drafting him until the Vikings pick in the 2nd. 
Kirby
Footballguy
Well.. that makes him a little thicker.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I would love for Tampa to scoop this kid up with the 20th pick. The Bucs need some playmaking ability on offense/ST desperately.I'm also very intrigued by the recent Javon Walker rumors. I'm sure the offensive genius could find something interesting to do with weapons like Walker, Galloway, and Jackson. Right?I don't think any team should consider drafting him until the Vikings pick in the 2nd.
He'll be a much better Pro WR than Fantasy WR, but this is suprising.He might not be in my top 10 for fantasy Rookie WRs come draft day.
Yeah I like this development. PPL act as if he was a stud before and now he's a scrub as a wr but the truth is 6', 172 is way too skinny for a wr. I much prefer that he's only 5'9. As ss proves it doesn't matter how short you are if no one can catch youWell.. that makes him a little thicker.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Mock Drafts have Buffalo taking Malcom Kelly. Saw one today saying Buffalo would take Desean instead of Kelly. I will #### myself if they take another small receiver. We already have Parrish and Lee Evans, we need a physical receiver.
az_prof
Footballguy
What is your evidence supporting the claim above in bold? Did you count the number of drops made by both in their career? What exactly do you mean by "better WR"? Does he run better routes? How do you know that? How many games have you watched for both? Twenty each? Ten? Five? One? These kinds of opinions asserted as facts drive me crazy.
Super King
Footballguy
if they drafted him, they might have THE two smallest players in the league (Parrish & Jackson)
I'm not following what's driving you crazy? Stating that one player is a "much better WR" than another is always going to be an opinion. It doesn't matter if he watched every game that Ginn and Jackson have ever played. There's nothing that can change that statement into a fact. Take his statement for what it's worth. Opinion.
az_prof
Footballguy
I do take it for what it is: opinion. If you are trying to say that all opinions are equal then I disagree. There is a difference between an informed opinion (someone who has watched a sizable numbers of games, roughly the same number for each play) and unfounded opinion. There is also a difference between a plausible hypothesis based upon data (someone has run the numbers and compared the drop percentage) and an unfounded opinion. This opinion is simply asserted and you as reader have no idea what it is based upon. I get tired of reading these kinds of opinions on here and decided to call this one what it is.
kremenull
Footballguy
On the flip side, you can't hit what you can't catch........D-Jax' game is to not take big hits, some people are good at avoiding big collisions, and he is one of them....Otherwise, it is football, so if he gets hit, I'm sure he's been hit before.....I'll take my chances with this guy as he is electrifying in space......one of the best open-field runners I've EVER seen
MAC_32
Footballguy
DeSean Jackson's a lot closer to Steve Smith than he is Ted Ginn. Jackson's route running and change of direction do not belong in the same sentence as Ginn, this is why he is a better WR right now than Ginn as Ginn is primarily a straight line runner. What does he need to do to potentially compare to Smith? Add 10-15 lbs of bulk and maintain the 4.3 speed (you'll see in the combine). For now he should be limited to the slot and return duties with hopes for a couple years from now being a #1. He's a risk, but one that could really pay dividends. I'm anxious to see him interview.
HellToupee
Footballguy
that would be a luxury ,seems like a waste
