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[DYNASTY] WR Rankings (1 Viewer)

EBF

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I'm going to roll out some rankings over the course of this weekend to encourage discussion heading into the offseason. I won't be updating these regularly like Fear & Loathing's list. This is a one shot deal.

Without further ado, the WRs:

1. Larry Fitzgerald

2. Randy Moss

3. Reggie Wayne

4. Chad Johnson

5. Andre Johnson

6. Braylon Edwards

7. Anquan Boldin

8. Marques Colston

9. Calvin Johnson

10. Steve Smith

11. Santonio Holmes

12. Torry Holt

13. Plaxico Burress

14. Roy Williams

15. Brandon Marshall

16. TJ Houshmandzadeh

17. Lee Evans

18. Roddy White

19. Santana Moss

20. Dwayne Bowe

21. Hines Ward

22. Sidney Rice

23. Greg Jennings

24. Jerricho Cotchery

25. Anthony Gonzalez

26. Terrell Owens

27. Laveranues Coles

28. Mark Clayton

29. Chris Chambers

30. Bernard Berrian

31. Javon Walker

32. Wes Welker

33. Ted Ginn

34. Laurent Robinson

35. James Jones

36. Steve Smith

37. Donald Driver

38. Marvin Harrison

39. Kevin Curtis

40. Darrell Jackson

41. Chris Henry

42. Reggie Williams

43. DJ Hackett

44. Donte Stallworth

45. Jacoby Jones

46. Joey Galloway

47. Robert Meachem

48. Arnaz Battle

49. Ronald Curry

50. Deion Branch

51. Chad Jackson

52. Reggie Brown

53. Dwayne Jarrett

54. Demetrius Williams

55. Michael Clayton

56. Devin Hester

57. Jason Hill

58. Jerry Porter

59. Drew Bennett

60. Bryant Johnson

A few notes here:

- Larry Fitzgerald is, in my opinion, the premier WR in dynasty leagues by a wide margin. He's a bona fide star and he'll barely be 25 next season. Even if Moss outscores him over the next few seasons, Fitzgerald has much greater longevity potential. I like him over the other elite young WRs (Colston, Edwards, Johnson, Boldin). Those guys are also excellent options though.

- I have TJ Houshmandzadeh outside my top 15. The guy is the most overrated WR in fantasy football right now. His numbers are inflated by a huge number of targets and red zone opportunities, but he's not an elite talent and he's already on the backside of his career. Don't believe the hype. Sell sell sell.

- I have Roddy White in the top 20. I can't for the life of me figure out why he's ranked so low by most people. He's coming off a monster season in which he caught over 60% of his passes from a revolving door of terrible QBs. Given his first round pedigree, there's reason to believe that he might be a legit long-term talent.

- Terrell Owens is way down on my list. I think we've seen the last of him as an elite WR. And while he may have one or two solid seasons left, I'd rather gamble on a younger player at this point.

- After the top 30, it becomes pretty difficult to rank these guys. Beyond that point you're mostly looking at over-the-hill stars, unproven youngsters, and unimpressive veterans. The difference in value between the guys ranked 35-55 isn't all that huge. I think a guy like Chris Henry is more valuable than Donald Driver for a rebuilding team. But I think Donald Driver is more valuable than Chris Henry for a playoff contender. Unfortunately, it's impossible to factor a team's context into the rankings.

 
If you are moving Owens that far down this list, should'nt you do something similar with Holt?
Holt is two and a half years younger than Owens. And I think he'll have a smoother decline since his game is based less on pure physical dominance and more on route running and technique. I see him as a guy who could easily play 3-4 more years at a very high level. But in two years his value will be a lot lower, just like TO's is right now.
 
i got AJ no lower than #2
AJ has the talent to justify that ranking. The problem with him compared to the other elite WRs is that he doesn't have the stud seasons under his belt. I know he has some excuses given his atrocious supporting cast, but stats are stats. He's never put up a 1,400 yard and/or 10+ TD season. That said, I think you can justify him as a top 3 dynasty WR. I don't see a ton of difference between most of the guys ranked in my top 8-9.
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.

 
Remember Dynasty rankings are by far the hardest to do.

Most like younger over older. But always rememeber if you keep playing to win next season.

Your son will now be in your League beating you. :shrug:

EBF :thumbdown:

Of course no one will agree with your rankings, thats why Dynasty Leagues are great too play in.

But overall looks good to me.

 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
Can we see your list, to see were EBF went wrong?Thanks

 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
Disagree.Once you get outside the top 20-30 WRs, you're talking about players who really aren't going to help you win any games. Look at a guy like Ronald Curry or Donte Stallworth. Are you going to win your league starting either of those guys? If you are, it's in spite of them and not because of them.

I would rather take a gamble on an unproven youngster who *might* become an elite player than use a pick on an unimpressive veteran who will probably never give you more than 800-900 yards in a season. That's because I think long-term success in dynasty leagues is all about building a core of reliable top tier talent who can be counted on deliver good production every year. You want top 20 WRs. Guys like Ginn and Rice have the potential to become that type of player, whereas Curry and Porter don't.

 
Like the list... think the following are too low:

Welker (Brady's go to in clutch situations - esp. valuable in PPR)

Cotchery (continues to get better, great route runner, excellent hands)

R.White (After he gets Ryan this year, should explode - had 7 TDs with Harrington/Lefty/Redman

Bowe (great year 1 - no one else in KC)

 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
And the guys below those young guys offer what? A bye week replacement? Those older guys that have "produced much more" are average at best and have shown they will NEVER be anything more than that. If you think that's what wins championships, go out and grab as many as you can. Most of the ones you listed with the exception of Rice are ranked in the 30's or lower. That means they shouldn't be considered starters, for the most part, and that's where you want to get guys with talent and potential, not older guys that produce 50/500/5 seasons.
 
Welker is too low, Brady trusts him and he has been money on 3rd down
He's a difficult player to rank. Does he have talent? Sure. Is he an elite WR who could produce in any situation? Probably not.Wes Welker is a great example of a decent player in an ideal situation. Whether or not he continues to get the consistent looks remains to be seen. I see some Stokley 2005 risk, which is why I have tempered my expectations. He's a better redraft than dynasty player.
 
Like the list... think the following are too low:Welker (Brady's go to in clutch situations - esp. valuable in PPR)Cotchery (continues to get better, great route runner, excellent hands)R.White (After he gets Ryan this year, should explode - had 7 TDs with Harrington/Lefty/RedmanBowe (great year 1 - no one else in KC)
Welker - I just addressed this issue. You guys might be right.Cotchery - He is what he is, IMO. A good possession WR who probably doesn't have the special qualities to ever be more than a WR2-WR3 type in FF leagues. Roddy - I have him ranked higher than most. When you look at the raw numbers, it's kind of baffling why he isn't getting more hype. At the same time, the fact that he's only had one good season means you have to be cautiously optimistic. Anything higher than 15 wouldn't be reasonable, IMO. I think my ranking is fair. Bowe - You're right that he had a great rookie year. But how much higher can I really rank him? It remains to be seen whether he can take the next step in his development and become a WR1 for FF leagues. As of right now I think it's best to look at him as a WR2 with upside and risk.
 
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Welker is too low, Brady trusts him and he has been money on 3rd down
He's a difficult player to rank. Does he have talent? Sure. Is he an elite WR who could produce in any situation? Probably not.Wes Welker is a great example of a decent player in an ideal situation. Whether or not he continues to get the consistent looks remains to be seen. I see some Stokley 2005 risk, which is why I have tempered my expectations. He's a better redraft than dynasty player.
Dead on about Welker = Stokley.EBF is this ranking PPR?If not Welker is too high, yep. I wouldn't trade for Him unless it was a PPR League.I think He will come back to earth next year.At least all you non NE fans better hope so. :thumbup:Sorry will add if it is a PPR League, way toooooo low.
 
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Welker is too low, Brady trusts him and he has been money on 3rd down
He's a difficult player to rank. Does he have talent? Sure. Is he an elite WR who could produce in any situation? Probably not.Wes Welker is a great example of a decent player in an ideal situation. Whether or not he continues to get the consistent looks remains to be seen. I see some Stokley 2005 risk, which is why I have tempered my expectations. He's a better redraft than dynasty player.
Dead on about Welker = Stokley.EBF is this ranking PPR?If not Welker is too high, yep. I wouldn't trade for Him unless it was a PPR League.I think He will come back to earth next year.At least all you non NE fans better hope so. :thumbup:Sorry will add PPR, way toooooo low.
These are just general rankings for any league. I don't think specifying PPR would change many of my rankings. It might give a slight bump to possession guys like Housh, Welker, and Cotchery.
 
Welker is too low, Brady trusts him and he has been money on 3rd down
He's a difficult player to rank. Does he have talent? Sure. Is he an elite WR who could produce in any situation? Probably not.Wes Welker is a great example of a decent player in an ideal situation. Whether or not he continues to get the consistent looks remains to be seen. I see some Stokley 2005 risk, which is why I have tempered my expectations. He's a better redraft than dynasty player.
Decent perhaps, but the Pats traded for him because they think he's special. I'd say he has considerable upside for at least the next 2-3 years and probably more.
 
Welker is too low, Brady trusts him and he has been money on 3rd down
He's a difficult player to rank. Does he have talent? Sure. Is he an elite WR who could produce in any situation? Probably not.Wes Welker is a great example of a decent player in an ideal situation. Whether or not he continues to get the consistent looks remains to be seen. I see some Stokley 2005 risk, which is why I have tempered my expectations. He's a better redraft than dynasty player.
Decent perhaps, but the Pats traded for him because they think he's special. I'd say he has considerable upside for at least the next 2-3 years and probably more.
He finished 8th in the NFL in targets last year. I think he'll continue to be a solid player for Pats and a reliable target for Brady, but I don't know that we can reasonably expect his targets to remain so high. This was a career year for the entire Patriots passing game. Most players are overvalued after their career year. I see Welker sliding back into the WR20-30 range.
 
like your list, only one i would change is Brandon Marshall for c johnson
You can make a case for most of the top 15 as top 10 guys. I feel like CJ has a little more raw talent than Marshall. Marshall is a good player, but the fact that he led the NFL in targets last season was a big factor in his monster year. We can't expect him to get 170 looks every season moving forward.
are you going to do a rb and qb list? :shrug:
Yes.
 
If you are moving Owens that far down this list, should'nt you do something similar with Holt?
Holt is two and a half years younger than Owens. And I think he'll have a smoother decline since his game is based less on pure physical dominance and more on route running and technique. I see him as a guy who could easily play 3-4 more years at a very high level. But in two years his value will be a lot lower, just like TO's is right now.
First, great job! :shrug: I like the rankings.However, I have to agree it's difficult to downgrade a healthy 35 year-old WR and not do the same for a 32 year-old WR with a bad knee. I think most would agree that Owens possesses a special physical skill-set. Essentially, his body's clock does not scream "Mid-30's". There has been absolutely not loss of explosion, speed, open-field moves, route running, etc with Owens. The same cannot be said for Holt.
 
Welker is too low, Brady trusts him and he has been money on 3rd down
He's a difficult player to rank. Does he have talent? Sure. Is he an elite WR who could produce in any situation? Probably not.Wes Welker is a great example of a decent player in an ideal situation. Whether or not he continues to get the consistent looks remains to be seen. I see some Stokley 2005 risk, which is why I have tempered my expectations. He's a better redraft than dynasty player.
Decent perhaps, but the Pats traded for him because they think he's special. I'd say he has considerable upside for at least the next 2-3 years and probably more.
He finished 8th in the NFL in targets last year. I think he'll continue to be a solid player for Pats and a reliable target for Brady, but I don't know that we can reasonably expect his targets to remain so high. This was a career year for the entire Patriots passing game. Most players are overvalued after their career year. I see Welker sliding back into the WR20-30 range.
The reasoning seems valid, but what about a scenario where Moss leaves ? That is still a possibility isnt it ?, or he could leave next year maybe. Stallworth leaving, etc.
 
If you are moving Owens that far down this list, should'nt you do something similar with Holt?
Holt is two and a half years younger than Owens. And I think he'll have a smoother decline since his game is based less on pure physical dominance and more on route running and technique. I see him as a guy who could easily play 3-4 more years at a very high level. But in two years his value will be a lot lower, just like TO's is right now.
First, great job! :shrug: I like the rankings.However, I have to agree it's difficult to downgrade a healthy 35 year-old WR and not do the same for a 32 year-old WR with a bad knee. I think most would agree that Owens possesses a special physical skill-set. Essentially, his body's clock does not scream "Mid-30's". There has been absolutely not loss of explosion, speed, open-field moves, route running, etc with Owens. The same cannot be said for Holt.
The problem with old players is they're the exception to the rule until they stop being the exception to the rule. And then they're pretty much worthless. I think most of the arguments that you can use to defend Owens are the same arguments you could've used to defend Harrison last season. We all know these guys have been superstars, but how long can they defy father time? There aren't many WRs who produce into their late 30's. Galloway is really the only guy in the league doing it right now. I know Owens is a workout warrior and I think it's possible that he'll have 1-2 stud years left, but he's not a guy I'd feel comfortable banking on at this point. Maybe I have Holt a little high. He's not an ideal option for a young dynasty team. However, he's still only 32 years old. I think his playing style will age well and I think he's one of the guys who could be productive until he's 35-37. More importantly, Torry Holt has had at least 80 receptions and 1,150 receiving yards for EIGHT YEARS straight. Sustained success in dynasty is all about having a core of reliable players. Torry Holt is Mr. Reliable.
 
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Welker is too low, Brady trusts him and he has been money on 3rd down
He's a difficult player to rank. Does he have talent? Sure. Is he an elite WR who could produce in any situation? Probably not.Wes Welker is a great example of a decent player in an ideal situation. Whether or not he continues to get the consistent looks remains to be seen. I see some Stokley 2005 risk, which is why I have tempered my expectations. He's a better redraft than dynasty player.
Decent perhaps, but the Pats traded for him because they think he's special. I'd say he has considerable upside for at least the next 2-3 years and probably more.
He finished 8th in the NFL in targets last year. I think he'll continue to be a solid player for Pats and a reliable target for Brady, but I don't know that we can reasonably expect his targets to remain so high. This was a career year for the entire Patriots passing game. Most players are overvalued after their career year. I see Welker sliding back into the WR20-30 range.
The reasoning seems valid, but what about a scenario where Moss leaves ? That is still a possibility isnt it ?, or he could leave next year maybe. Stallworth leaving, etc.
I think the Pats want Welker in the slot. So if Stallworth leaves, I'd look for them to plug someone else into his spot. Maybe Chad Jackson, Jabar Gaffney, or whoever else they find on the scrap heap. The Pats are a proactive team. They won't allow themselves to be backed into a corner personnel wise. Welker is a good safety valve with nice run after the catch skills. But don't mistake him for a dominant starting WR. That's not really what he is. I think he'll continue to be productive for a while, but I expect a decline going forward.
 
I like the list for the most part. My biggest disagreements would be with Chad Johnson, Steve Smith and Greg Jennings. I would drop Johnson to around 8 or 9, and move Steve Smith up to just behind Edwards. Johnson hasn't finished higher than the #7 WR since 2003, and I only see him dropping as he gets more mileage under him. Smith seems undervalued due to his subpar year, but with Delhomme, he had almost 300 yards and 4 TDs in 3 games. Any competent QB will return him to elite status. Jennings, IMO, should be in the same 11-16 grouping with Holmes, Marshall, etc., all being young receivers who showed flashes of top 5 potential.

 
EBF- Good list and you seem to have a good grip on dynasty topics, some of my thoughts:

Fitz- I love this guy and he has helped me huge in re-drafts for the last 3 years. One thing of concern for a overall #1 ranking, while Leinart and Boldin were both playing he seemed to be second fiddle to Boldin.

Calvin Johnson- Has all the tools but not sure about the top 10. In a way I can see your point, in dynasty you have to swing for the fences to put 2-3 elite players on your roster.

AJ- I like him top 3, I can see the Houston offense taking off and he is the go to stud.

S. Smith- I think he will be a good value going into 2008 and be back in top 5.

Berrian- Of course depends on where he lands, but I would think he has shown enough to be a #1 WR. Yes he has dropped some balls but he has has proven to be both a speed burner and a great end zone target. I think TO has more bad drops than Berrian.

Cotchery- Seems to have that "IT" factor, great hands and knows how to get open. I see him moving up on this list, but yes he needs a QB.

S. Rice- I hope your right I was able to pick him up for nothing in week 2 after he was dropped in our dynasty, Jackson started to improve as the year went on.

L. Evans- I have been high on him but he seems to be way too up and down for what he will cost you.

DJ Hackett- At 43 this jumps out to me as the ranking I don't get. I'm sure it's because of injuries, but he is a STUD on the field and I think he could finish in the top 12.

Sleepers I like from the bottom of the list- D. Williams sems to have the talent and can see him moving up once they figure out how to throw the ball. J. Hill could benefit from the Martz circus in SF. A guy not on the list- M. Walker, with Garrard looking good I can see him being the go to guy, worth a stash and hope he is healthy.

 
I like the list for the most part. My biggest disagreements would be with Chad Johnson, Steve Smith and Greg Jennings. I would drop Johnson to around 8 or 9, and move Steve Smith up to just behind Edwards. Johnson hasn't finished higher than the #7 WR since 2003, and I only see him dropping as he gets more mileage under him. Smith seems undervalued due to his subpar year, but with Delhomme, he had almost 300 yards and 4 TDs in 3 games. Any competent QB will return him to elite status. Jennings, IMO, should be in the same 11-16 grouping with Holmes, Marshall, etc., all being young receivers who showed flashes of top 5 potential.
Chad - I think Chad Johnson is an underappreciated player. I realize that his production has been a bit inconsistent from week-to-week these past two years, but I'm willing to chalk that up to poor luck more than some fault in his game. He's averaging about 1,380 receiving yards and 8 TDs over the past 3 years and is one of the safest WR options out there. He is an elite player, IMO. Smith - Smith is kind of like Santana Moss with more hype. He's capable of monster numbers when everything is going right, but his career thus far has been somewhat unspectacular aside from one monster year in 2005. Maybe it's the injuries or the supporting cast, but I can't justify taking him ahead of guys like Fitzgerald, Chad, Boldin, and Colston. I think 10 is a fair spot for him.Jennings - Maybe he deserves to be about 4-5 spots higher, but that would be the most I could justify bumping him up. Most of the guys ahead of him have already had at least one big season (Moss, Evans, Roddy, Marshall). Until Jennings has that true breakout 1,200+ year, I can't justify ranking him much higher. I realize there isn't much difference between him and Holmes on paper. I guess I'm just a little bit higher on Holmes' talent.
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
Disagree.Once you get outside the top 20-30 WRs, you're talking about players who really aren't going to help you win any games. Look at a guy like Ronald Curry or Donte Stallworth. Are you going to win your league starting either of those guys? If you are, it's in spite of them and not because of them.

I would rather take a gamble on an unproven youngster who *might* become an elite player than use a pick on an unimpressive veteran who will probably never give you more than 800-900 yards in a season. That's because I think long-term success in dynasty leagues is all about building a core of reliable top tier talent who can be counted on deliver good production every year. You want top 20 WRs. Guys like Ginn and Rice have the potential to become that type of player, whereas Curry and Porter don't.
Curtis had 1100 yards and 6tds last year, but is sitting behind Steve Smith (NYG), James Jones, Laurent, Ginn, and Rice. Driver is still only 32 and ranked below those 5 as well, despite five straight 1000 yard seasons.

Hackett is 26 and, despite injury issues, performed extremely well in a strong offense. Also ranked below those 5.

Bryant Johnson is an UFA and expected to get a contract to be a starting WR, also something that Smith, Jones and possibly Laurent won't be next year.

 
DJ Hackett- At 43 this jumps out to me as the ranking I don't get. I'm sure it's because of injuries, but he is a STUD on the field and I think he could finish in the top 12.
:rolleyes:I'm not sure about Top 12, but definitely Top 20. He doesn't belong in that tier.
 
DJ Hackett- At 43 this jumps out to me as the ranking I don't get. I'm sure it's because of injuries, but he is a STUD on the field and I think he could finish in the top 12.
:rolleyes:I'm not sure about Top 12, but definitely Top 20. He doesn't belong in that tier.
I'm not saying he will but I would not be shocked if he did in one of the next few years. Seattle should be a throwing team and he is the best WR they have.
 
EBF- Good list and you seem to have a good grip on dynasty topics, some of my thoughts:Fitz- I love this guy and he has helped me huge in re-drafts for the last 3 years. One thing of concern for a overall #1 ranking, while Leinart and Boldin were both playing he seemed to be second fiddle to Boldin.Calvin Johnson- Has all the tools but not sure about the top 10. In a way I can see your point, in dynasty you have to swing for the fences to put 2-3 elite players on your roster.AJ- I like him top 3, I can see the Houston offense taking off and he is the go to stud.S. Smith- I think he will be a good value going into 2008 and be back in top 5.Berrian- Of course depends on where he lands, but I would think he has shown enough to be a #1 WR. Yes he has dropped some balls but he has has proven to be both a speed burner and a great end zone target. I think TO has more bad drops than Berrian.Cotchery- Seems to have that "IT" factor, great hands and knows how to get open. I see him moving up on this list, but yes he needs a QB.S. Rice- I hope your right I was able to pick him up for nothing in week 2 after he was dropped in our dynasty, Jackson started to improve as the year went on.L. Evans- I have been high on him but he seems to be way too up and down for what he will cost you.DJ Hackett- At 43 this jumps out to me as the ranking I don't get. I'm sure it's because of injuries, but he is a STUD on the field and I think he could finish in the top 12. Sleepers I like from the bottom of the list- D. Williams sems to have the talent and can see him moving up once they figure out how to throw the ball. J. Hill could benefit from the Martz circus in SF. A guy not on the list- M. Walker, with Garrard looking good I can see him being the go to guy, worth a stash and hope he is healthy.
Fitzgerald - The bottom line for me is that these are dynasty rankings and he's the best young WR in the league. He's a Pro Bowler at age 24 and there's no reason to expect a decline in his skills any time soon. Calvin - It's all about upside here. He has the type of talent needed to become another Fitzgerald and is one of the few prospects worth overpaying for. I doubt he'll bust, although there is some risk. AJ - Definitly possible. He needs to stay healthy and put together a complete season before we rank him alongside Fitz. Berrian - Tough to say what will happen with him. He has some of the best deep speed in the league and is capable of making circus catches. At the same time, can he be a steady NFL WR1 for years to come? We don't know yet. Cotchery - Like I said, I think what you see is what you get. He doesn't seem to have the special athletic qualities needed to take the next step forward, although I expect him to remain a solid contributor. Rice - Rice seemed to make at least one highlight reel grab each week. He's shown that he can make the big play and win the jump ball in the red zone. If he can become a good underneath receiver then the sky's the limit. Evans - He's definitely a little risky. He has a little bit of Chris Chambers in him. One of the big risk factors is that Buffalo seems to want to be a run-first ball control team. However, I look for the team to bring in another good WR to take the pressure off Evans and I'm fairly optimistic about Edwards.Hackett - He's an interesting sleeper. I don't have a single Seattle WR inside my top 40, but you have to think one of those guys is going to step up in that passing game and produce next year. Maybe Hackett is that guy. But he's been in the league for a while and he still hasn't put together the type of season you look for from a breakout WR. Demetrius - I like Mark Clayton a little more in Baltimore, but Williams has enough talent to warrant stashing on your roster.Hill - Someone is going to step up for the 49ers. Will it be Battle, Jackson, Hill, or someone out of left field? Who knows? Hill didn't show much as a rookie, so it's tough to justify ranking him high. He has upside though. Walker - He was getting good reviews in training camp and is certainly worth stashing. But he never looked great to me in his highlights and I'm a little bit worried about the knee. That said, you could justify him in the 50-60 range.
 
Curtis had 1100 yards and 6tds last year, but is sitting behind Steve Smith (NYG), James Jones, Laurent, Ginn, and Rice. Driver is still only 32 and ranked below those 5 as well, despite five straight 1000 yard seasons.Hackett is 26 and, despite injury issues, performed extremely well in a strong offense. Also ranked below those 5.Bryant Johnson is an UFA and expected to get a contract to be a starting WR, also something that Smith, Jones and possibly Laurent won't be next year.
I think you can justify Curtis ahead of those rookies. Maybe I have him underrated by a few slots. A lot of people are citing Hackett as underrated, so maybe I'll have to look into moving him up. But he played in 13 games last season and had less receiving yards than Ginn, Robinson, and Jones. I don't know how well that bodes for him. Driver is 33 for all intents and purposes. I don't see him having much left in the tank and the two young guys are nipping at his heels. However, he probably belongs a bit higher on my list. He has some short-term value. Bryant Johnson is an interesting deep sleeper. Maybe he'll surprise us next year. Then again, I don't know if there's any real reason to think he has top 20 upside. He seems more like a journeyman in the mold of Battle or Porter.
 
DJ Hackett- At 43 this jumps out to me as the ranking I don't get. I'm sure it's because of injuries, but he is a STUD on the field and I think he could finish in the top 12.
:X I'm not sure about Top 12, but definitely Top 20. He doesn't belong in that tier.
I'm not saying he will but I would not be shocked if he did in one of the next few years. Seattle should be a throwing team and he is the best WR they have.
I meant that he doesn't belong in the tier that EBF has him in IMO. We're basically on the same page with DJ.
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
I see way too many dynasty rankings that put an inordinate amount of emphasis on current production. It's almost like they don't realize these guys will lose their ability due to age (or are losing it). I definitely agree with the general dynamics of EBF's rankings. Age is one of the most important factors when considering dynasty value, IMO.
 
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
Disagree.Once you get outside the top 20-30 WRs, you're talking about players who really aren't going to help you win any games. Look at a guy like Ronald Curry or Donte Stallworth. Are you going to win your league starting either of those guys? If you are, it's in spite of them and not because of them.

I would rather take a gamble on an unproven youngster who *might* become an elite player than use a pick on an unimpressive veteran who will probably never give you more than 800-900 yards in a season. That's because I think long-term success in dynasty leagues is all about building a core of reliable top tier talent who can be counted on deliver good production every year. You want top 20 WRs. Guys like Ginn and Rice have the potential to become that type of player, whereas Curry and Porter don't.
Curtis had 1100 yards and 6tds last year, but is sitting behind Steve Smith (NYG), James Jones, Laurent, Ginn, and Rice. Driver is still only 32 and ranked below those 5 as well, despite five straight 1000 yard seasons.

Hackett is 26 and, despite injury issues, performed extremely well in a strong offense. Also ranked below those 5.

Bryant Johnson is an UFA and expected to get a contract to be a starting WR, also something that Smith, Jones and possibly Laurent won't be next year.
Curtis is terribly inconsistent. He averaged 14.87 pts/game in my league last year (good for #15 overall). However, he only outscored this average 4 times last season.
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
Disagree.Once you get outside the top 20-30 WRs, you're talking about players who really aren't going to help you win any games. Look at a guy like Ronald Curry or Donte Stallworth. Are you going to win your league starting either of those guys? If you are, it's in spite of them and not because of them.

I would rather take a gamble on an unproven youngster who *might* become an elite player than use a pick on an unimpressive veteran who will probably never give you more than 800-900 yards in a season. That's because I think long-term success in dynasty leagues is all about building a core of reliable top tier talent who can be counted on deliver good production every year. You want top 20 WRs. Guys like Ginn and Rice have the potential to become that type of player, whereas Curry and Porter don't.
I agree with your philosophy, but disagree on some of the players.Curtis - was top 15 in at least some leagues last year, he helped me win a championship as my WR3. He's turning 30, but had plenty left. He is inconsistent, but is he that much more inconsitent than 85 or Lee Evans?

TO - his days as a top 3 might be over, but he'll be top 10 for a couple years. I'll take him top 20, but this isn't too large a complaint. Certainly over Hines Ward, and I like Ward.

Jennings - another top 15 WR ranked too low. Using your own reasoning, he should be higher than Holt.

 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
I see way too many dynasty rankings that are too much like redraft rankings. It's almost like they don't realize these guys will lose their ability due to age (or are losing it). I definitely agree with the general dynamics of EBF's rankings. Age is one of the most important factors when considering dynasty value, IMO.
Thanks. For me, winning in dynasty comes down to loading up your roster with elite players. So while I recognize the short-term value of someone like Kevin Curtis or Ronald Curry, I'm really looking for the guys who have a chance to become the next Brandon Marshall or Santonio Holmes. There's a very real chance that Laurent Robinson and Ted Ginn will never have a season as good as the best season by Donte Stallworth or Jerry Porter, but the fact that WE DON'T KNOW actually gives them added value in dynasty.

We know that Stallworth and Porter will never be consistent stars.

We don't that Ginn and Robinson will never be consistent stars.

The fact that they have a chance (even if it's a small chance) to join the elite group is what gives them dynasty value. Because a 30% chance at Santonio Holmes is worth more in a dynasty league than a 100% chance at Jerry Porter.

 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
I see way too many dynasty rankings that are too much like redraft rankings. It's almost like they don't realize these guys will lose their ability due to age (or are losing it). I definitely agree with the general dynamics of EBF's rankings. Age is one of the most important factors when considering dynasty value, IMO.
Thanks. For me, winning in dynasty comes down to loading up your roster with elite players. So while I recognize the short-term value of someone like Kevin Curtis or Ronald Curry, I'm really looking for the guys who have a chance to become the next Brandon Marshall or Santonio Holmes. There's a very real chance that Laurent Robinson and Ted Ginn will never have a season as good as the best season by Donte Stallworth or Jerry Porter, but the fact that WE DON'T KNOW actually gives them added value in dynasty.

We know that Stallworth and Porter will never be consistent stars.

We don't that Ginn and Robinson will never be consistent stars.

The fact that they have a chance (even if it's a small chance) to join the elite group is what gives them dynasty value. Because a 30% chance at Santonio Holmes is worth more in a dynasty league than a 100% chance at Jerry Porter.
I'd say we're pretty much on the same page. :X
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
Disagree.Once you get outside the top 20-30 WRs, you're talking about players who really aren't going to help you win any games. Look at a guy like Ronald Curry or Donte Stallworth. Are you going to win your league starting either of those guys? If you are, it's in spite of them and not because of them.

I would rather take a gamble on an unproven youngster who *might* become an elite player than use a pick on an unimpressive veteran who will probably never give you more than 800-900 yards in a season. That's because I think long-term success in dynasty leagues is all about building a core of reliable top tier talent who can be counted on deliver good production every year. You want top 20 WRs. Guys like Ginn and Rice have the potential to become that type of player, whereas Curry and Porter don't.
I agree with your philosophy, but disagree on some of the players.Curtis - was top 15 in at least some leagues last year, he helped me win a championship as my WR3. He's turning 30, but had plenty left. He is inconsistent, but is he that much more inconsitent than 85 or Lee Evans?

TO - his days as a top 3 might be over, but he'll be top 10 for a couple years. I'll take him top 20, but this isn't too large a complaint. Certainly over Hines Ward, and I like Ward.

Jennings - another top 15 WR ranked too low. Using your own reasoning, he should be higher than Holt.
Curtis - Maybe he belongs a bit higher. But he's not a star and he never will be. TO - Tons of risk here. I think the "win now" strategy in dynasty can really nip you in the butt (see: Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, Tiki Barber, Marvin Harrison). It's possible that Owens has 2 elite years left. I'm not going to be the man who takes that gamble.

Jennings - He's a decent candidate to be ranked a bit higher, but I'm not quite as sold on his talent as I am on that of Holmes and Marshall. He'll win my trust with another good year in 2008. The high TD total makes his 2007 season look slightly better than it really was.

 
A lot of people are citing Hackett as underrated, so maybe I'll have to look into moving him up. But he played in 13 games last season and had less receiving yards than Ginn, Robinson, and Jones. I don't know how well that bodes for him.
Hackett did not play in 13 weeks, I believe he only played in 6. Weeks 1, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 17 also weeks 1 and 12 were cut short.
 
A lot of people are citing Hackett as underrated, so maybe I'll have to look into moving him up. But he played in 13 games last season and had less receiving yards than Ginn, Robinson, and Jones. I don't know how well that bodes for him.
Hackett did not play in 13 weeks, I believe he only played in 6. Weeks 1, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 17 also weeks 1 and 12 were cut short.
ESPN lists him with 13 games played. I admittedly didn't follow his season very closely since I didn't have him on any of my teams, but I think it's safe to say he didn't have an impressive 2007. The things working in his favor are that he's still pretty young and there's immediate opportunity for someone to emerge in Seattle. Branch is injured and was never that great to begin with. Engram is getting long in the tooth. Hackett certainly has a chance to step up right away. He's not a terrible gamble. Like I said, there's not really a huge value gap between 35-55. Most of the guys in that range fall into the "maybe" category.
 
thanks for the rankings. Looks pretty good overall, though one thing that stands out is Santonio Holmes over Greg Jennings. I think they should be flip-flop. Jennings top 12-18, Holmes 20-25

 
Like the list... think the following are too low:Welker (Brady's go to in clutch situations - esp. valuable in PPR)Cotchery (continues to get better, great route runner, excellent hands)R.White (After he gets Ryan this year, should explode - had 7 TDs with Harrington/Lefty/RedmanBowe (great year 1 - no one else in KC)
Welker - I just addressed this issue. You guys might be right.Cotchery - He is what he is, IMO. A good possession WR who probably doesn't have the special qualities to ever be more than a WR2-WR3 type in FF leagues. Roddy - I have him ranked higher than most. When you look at the raw numbers, it's kind of baffling why he isn't getting more hype. At the same time, the fact that he's only had one good season means you have to be cautiously optimistic. Anything higher than 15 wouldn't be reasonable, IMO. I think my ranking is fair. Bowe - You're right that he had a great rookie year. But how much higher can I really rank him? It remains to be seen whether he can take the next step in his development and become a WR1 for FF leagues. As of right now I think it's best to look at him as a WR2 with upside and risk.
Good rankings overall. One thing to consider about Roddy White is that Atlanta just hired Mularkey from Buffalo as the OC. That could be the deathknell for the passing game. Look at what his offense did to Lee Evans this past year.
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis on youth going on in this list

Ginn, Laurent, J Jones and Rice are entirely too high over guys that have produced much more in the NFL. And Meachem and Hill even being on this list, with all of 0 catches, is a joke.
I see way too many dynasty rankings that are too much like redraft rankings. It's almost like they don't realize these guys will lose their ability due to age (or are losing it). I definitely agree with the general dynamics of EBF's rankings. Age is one of the most important factors when considering dynasty value, IMO.
Thanks. For me, winning in dynasty comes down to loading up your roster with elite players. So while I recognize the short-term value of someone like Kevin Curtis or Ronald Curry, I'm really looking for the guys who have a chance to become the next Brandon Marshall or Santonio Holmes. There's a very real chance that Laurent Robinson and Ted Ginn will never have a season as good as the best season by Donte Stallworth or Jerry Porter, but the fact that WE DON'T KNOW actually gives them added value in dynasty.

We know that Stallworth and Porter will never be consistent stars.

We don't that Ginn and Robinson will never be consistent stars.

The fact that they have a chance (even if it's a small chance) to join the elite group is what gives them dynasty value. Because a 30% chance at Santonio Holmes is worth more in a dynasty league than a 100% chance at Jerry Porter.
It took me a couple of years to figure this out but now I have. Totally agree.
 
thanks for the rankings. Looks pretty good overall, though one thing that stands out is Santonio Holmes over Greg Jennings. I think they should be flip-flop. Jennings top 12-18, Holmes 20-25
I've talked about Jennings a bit by now. I agree that I have Holmes awfully high, but I just feel really good about his long-term prospects. He has one of the best QBs in the game throwing him the ball and he had a huge 2007 on a small number of targets. I think he's going to be productive for a long time.
 
thanks for the rankings. Looks pretty good overall, though one thing that stands out is Santonio Holmes over Greg Jennings. I think they should be flip-flop. Jennings top 12-18, Holmes 20-25
I've talked about Jennings a bit by now. I agree that I have Holmes awfully high, but I just feel really good about his long-term prospects. He has one of the best QBs in the game throwing him the ball and he had a huge 2007 on a small number of targets. I think he's going to be productive for a long time.
If I knew that Favre was going to return and I was in a dynasty draft, I would be waiting for Colston to be taken off the board so that I would know when it was safe to take Jennings. So to me, Jennings at 12 doesn't seem too far off.
 
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TO - Tons of risk here. I think the "win now" strategy in dynasty can really nip you in the butt (see: Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, Tiki Barber, Marvin Harrison). It's possible that Owens has 2 elite years left. I'm not going to be the man who takes that gamble.
Here's where I find your logic just a little inconsistent. We agree that you don't win championships based on players like Cotchery, you do with elite players. We don't know how Santonio Holmes will do, which is something you like. You'll take a 30% chance that he becomes a top 10 WR over Cotchery. So far I can agree with this. We do know that TO was a top 3 WR the last couple years, we don't know how much longer he has as a top 5-10. I suspect it's at least 2. In fact, I'd give better than a 30% chance of him being top 5 for the next 2 years. IMO, the ratings between a player already elite, with a 30% chance of continued elite-level success, should be at least close to an unknown with a 30% chance of future elite-level success.
 
Reggie Brown finished about WR 34 (eta: and about WR 25 in 2006) ... what makes people think he should be in the mid-5os dynasty wise? I mean, dont get me wrong, he is not a top 20 dynasty WR ... but he is firmly in the mid 30s IMHO ...

 
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Re Holt, from a beat writer chat:

Ron: Why is it that Torry Holt's knee problems appear to be chronic and will affect him the rest of his career? As I recall his operation was pretty much suppossed to be a relatively minor procedure,i.e. no ACL tear, so what gives? Did arthritis set in or what? Thanks for this forum Jim.

Jim Thomas: A good question, Ron. The procedure was supposed to be pretty much standard. But turns out Holt has very little cartilage remaining in that knee. To my understanding it's pretty much bone on bone, which causes the discomfort. Holt even had some kind of lubricant injected into the knee to help his movement.

In short, the lack of cartilage in the knee is what caught up with DT D'Marco Farr and RB Marhsall Faulk. And it could catch up with Holt.

 

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