What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

[DYNASTY] QB Rankings (1 Viewer)

EBF

EBF

Footballguy
1. Tom Brady

2. Peyton Manning

3. Ben Roethlisberger

4. Carson Palmer

5. Tony Romo

6. Drew Brees

7. Donovan McNabb

8. Jay Cutler

9. Matt Hasselbeck

10. Marc Bulger

11. Matt Schaub

12. David Garrard

13. Philip Rivers

14. Eli Manning

15. Vince Young

16. Derek Anderson

17. Matt Leinart

18. Brady Quinn

19. Trent Edwards

20. Aaron Rodgers

21. Kevin Kolb

22. Jamarcus Russell

23. Brett Favre

24. Jason Campbell

25. Jon Kitna

26. Kellen Clemens

27. Jake Delhomme

28. Kurt Warner

29. Tarvaris Jackson

30. Drew Stanton

Notes:

- I suspect people will take exception to my low ranking of Jason Campbell. I think he's a decent player who has some value in start 2 QB leagues, but there is nothing in his statistics that suggests a bright FF future. I think the guys I have ranked above him all have more upside based on what we've seen so far.

- I am tempted to put Rodgers, Quinn, and Edwards ahead of Leinart. Leinart is a huge boom or bust pick. He has the supporting cast to be great, but he was horrible in 2007. If he doesn't show huge improvement next year then it's time to move on.

- I get bad vibes on Russell. I've always thought he was overrated and he's on a terrible team in a terrible organization. Given the huge failure rate on first round QBs, his status as the former first overall pick doesn't do much to temper my skepticism.

- You can justify ranking Favre, Kitna, Delhomme, and maybe Warner higher if you're thinking short term. But they're not good options beyond 2008.

- You can make a case for Drew Stanton a bit higher. But the injury was a big setback and with Martz out of town, does the new OC give Stanton a chance or try to find his own guy? That uncertainty keeps his value down a bit, though he's a good sleeper.

 
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
EBF said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
EBF said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Rivers seems a bit low
Click to expand...
Who should he be ahead of?
Click to expand...
Dynasty ranking right?personallycutlerMcnabbgarrardschaub
Click to expand...
You can make a good case for him ahead of Garrard since Garrard seems stuck on a running team. But he has no business going ahead of McNabb and I think Schaub and Cutler are better options (though there's not a huge value gap between 8-14).
Click to expand...
why McNabb? he's oft injured and is clearly on his way downward IMO. If you were starting a D league you would take Dono over Rivers,Eli, and Cutler? NahI agree on the value gap
 
Last edited by a moderator:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
 
McNabb has been one of the better FF QBs of the past 5-6 years and he's still pretty young. People tend to have short memories, but if I'm not mistaken he was the top QB in my league in terms of points per game in 2006. I think he has plenty of juice left in the tank.

 
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
I actually like Cutler in and Garrard out. Garrard will be nothing more than a great backup on your roster. He will never be an every-week starter IMO.
 
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler seems right. Rivers isn't in his class.
 
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
:thumbup: like you said all those guys in that range are really close and its just who you prefer.
 
Very solid rankings here. :lmao: I might drop Ben past Romo, but that has a lot to do with current value with TO. If Ben gets his tall receiver, he'll be unstoppable :yes:

EBF said:
- I am tempted to put Rodgers, Quinn, and Edwards ahead of Leinart. Leinart is a huge boom or bust pick. He has the supporting cast to be great, but he was horrible in 2007. If he doesn't show huge improvement next year then it's time to move on.
Click to expand...
I don't think there's any way you put Rodgers or Edwards ahead of Leinart, but I agree he's a boom/bust pick. After you get your #1, I like boom/bust and will take potential. Edwards will never be a top flight QB (I know, he was a rookie, but I just don't see it) while Rodgers might be, we can't tell that but we know Leinart and Quinn have the right players around them to be legit #1 options. As you said with WRs, after you get past your starting QBs, I'll take the risk. Along these lines, I'll take Travaris Jackson at #20, ahead of Edwards. Just curious, as you stopped with 30, where do you rank JP Losman, among others?
 
FUBAR said:
Very solid rankings here. :thumbup: I might drop Ben past Romo, but that has a lot to do with current value with TO. If Ben gets his tall receiver, he'll be unstoppable :lmao:

EBF said:
- I am tempted to put Rodgers, Quinn, and Edwards ahead of Leinart. Leinart is a huge boom or bust pick. He has the supporting cast to be great, but he was horrible in 2007. If he doesn't show huge improvement next year then it's time to move on.
Click to expand...
I don't think there's any way you put Rodgers or Edwards ahead of Leinart, but I agree he's a boom/bust pick. After you get your #1, I like boom/bust and will take potential. Edwards will never be a top flight QB (I know, he was a rookie, but I just don't see it) while Rodgers might be, we can't tell that but we know Leinart and Quinn have the right players around them to be legit #1 options. As you said with WRs, after you get past your starting QBs, I'll take the risk. Along these lines, I'll take Travaris Jackson at #20, ahead of Edwards. Just curious, as you stopped with 30, where do you rank JP Losman, among others?
Click to expand...
I'm a little bit higher on Edwards than most. He had a phenomenal preseason and the coaching staff clearly seemed to favor him over Losman. I'm curious to see how he performs next season with a full year of experience under his belt. I expect the Bills to address the WR position in the offseason. There's a very strong possiblity that they take Malcolm Kelly at 1.11 IMO.I stopped at 30 because most of the guys left over have minimal dynasty value. They're basically irrelevant. Losman should re-emerge somewhere, but I have no faith in his ability to take advantage of an opportunity. He's a marginal player who lacks the instincts needed to excel as a passer.
 
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
 
Sinn Fein said:
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
Click to expand...
Really? To me he seems the exact opposite, very calm and not easily flustered.I've said it before, but I truly believe Cutler is the real deal and could quite easily be the next superstar QB of the league, therefore :unsure: to the ranking EBF.Man I wish the Niners had him instead of Smith.
 
EBF said:
9. Matt Hasselbeck23. Brett Favre25. Jon Kitna27. Jake Delhomme28. Kurt Warner- You can justify ranking Favre, Kitna, Delhomme, and maybe Warner higher if you're thinking short term. But they're not good options beyond 2008.
Click to expand...
FYI - Hasselbeck is the same age as Delhomme. He loses Holmgren in 2009, the running game is in transition, and Engram isn't getting younger. Hackett is a free agent; Burleson and Branch are question marks right now. Hass is a sell now type of guy.
 
EBF said:
FUBAR said:
Very solid rankings here. :shrug: I don't think there's any way you put Rodgers or Edwards ahead of Leinart, but I agree he's a boom/bust pick. After you get your #1, I like boom/bust and will take potential. Edwards will never be a top flight QB (I know, he was a rookie, but I just don't see it) while Rodgers might be, we can't tell that but we know Leinart and Quinn have the right players around them to be legit #1 options.
Click to expand...
I'm a little bit higher on Edwards than most. He had a phenomenal preseason and the coaching staff clearly seemed to favor him over Losman. I'm curious to see how he performs next season with a full year of experience under his belt. I expect the Bills to address the WR position in the offseason. There's a very strong possiblity that they take Malcolm Kelly at 1.11 IMO.
Click to expand...
I actually like Edwards enough in the NFL, but do you think the system will push him into a top FF option? IMO, he's one of the relatively safer "unknowns", but just don't see where he could be a top 10, whereas I do see that with Leinart and Quinn.
 
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
All of his other stats are off the page, too. Only 7 starters had a higher DVOA than Cutler last year, and he was way up with Tom Brady and the other superstars in terms of 3rd down conversion rate (especially 3rd and long conversions). ESPN did a piece on the next superstar QB, too, and scouts and GMs said Cutler was more likely to become the next Manning/Brady than Romo, Palmer, or Roethlisberger. Another big positive is that he plays for Shanahan, who has a long track record of success with developing QBs (John Elway, Steve Young, and a massive turnaround on Jake Plummer), and he plays in Denver, which has a history of offensive success. He's got great young weapons around him, too. His situation will never be holding him back, to say the least. And Shanahan made a big commitment to the team when he drafted Cutler, meaning he'll probably be in Denver for the huge bulk of Jay's career. There is a lot to love there.
Sinn Fein said:
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
Click to expand...
Out of curiousity, why?
 
FUBAR said:
EBF said:
FUBAR said:
Very solid rankings here. :goodposting: I don't think there's any way you put Rodgers or Edwards ahead of Leinart, but I agree he's a boom/bust pick. After you get your #1, I like boom/bust and will take potential. Edwards will never be a top flight QB (I know, he was a rookie, but I just don't see it) while Rodgers might be, we can't tell that but we know Leinart and Quinn have the right players around them to be legit #1 options.
Click to expand...
I'm a little bit higher on Edwards than most. He had a phenomenal preseason and the coaching staff clearly seemed to favor him over Losman. I'm curious to see how he performs next season with a full year of experience under his belt. I expect the Bills to address the WR position in the offseason. There's a very strong possiblity that they take Malcolm Kelly at 1.11 IMO.
Click to expand...
I actually like Edwards enough in the NFL, but do you think the system will push him into a top FF option? IMO, he's one of the relatively safer "unknowns", but just don't see where he could be a top 10, whereas I do see that with Leinart and Quinn.
Click to expand...
You can't get too caught up on system when evaluating a dynasty QB. Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger are living proof that good NFL QBs tend to become good FF QBs. There was a time when both of those guys were considered marginal dynasty options because they played in unfriendly systems. Woops. Edwards has a long way to go before he deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as the game's elite passers, but he's shown the potential to become a good NFL QB and anyone who becomes a good NFL QB has the potential to become a good FF QB.
 
Riffraff said:
EBF said:
9. Matt Hasselbeck23. Brett Favre25. Jon Kitna27. Jake Delhomme28. Kurt Warner- You can justify ranking Favre, Kitna, Delhomme, and maybe Warner higher if you're thinking short term. But they're not good options beyond 2008.
Click to expand...
FYI - Hasselbeck is the same age as Delhomme. He loses Holmgren in 2009, the running game is in transition, and Engram isn't getting younger. Hackett is a free agent; Burleson and Branch are question marks right now. Hass is a sell now type of guy.
Click to expand...
Thanks for bringing up these points. Maybe he's a bigger risk than I had thought. The best thing to do with Hasselbeck is to pair him up with a guy like Cutler or Schaub. That way you have a pretty good chance of being covered in the short and long term.
 
EBF said:
1. Tom Brady2. Peyton Manning3. Ben Roethlisberger4. Carson Palmer5. Tony Romo6. Drew Brees7. Donovan McNabb8. Jay Cutler9. Matt Hasselbeck10. Marc Bulger11. Matt Schaub12. David Garrard13. Philip Rivers14. Eli Manning15. Vince Young16. Derek Anderson17. Matt Leinart18. Brady Quinn19. Trent Edwards20. Aaron Rodgers21. Kevin Kolb22. Jamarcus Russell23. Brett Favre24. Jason Campbell25. Jon Kitna26. Kellen Clemens27. Jake Delhomme28. Kurt Warner29. Tarvaris Jackson30. Drew StantonNotes:- I suspect people will take exception to my low ranking of Jason Campbell. I think he's a decent player who has some value in start 2 QB leagues, but there is nothing in his statistics that suggests a bright FF future. I think the guys I have ranked above him all have more upside based on what we've seen so far. - I am tempted to put Rodgers, Quinn, and Edwards ahead of Leinart. Leinart is a huge boom or bust pick. He has the supporting cast to be great, but he was horrible in 2007. If he doesn't show huge improvement next year then it's time to move on. - I get bad vibes on Russell. I've always thought he was overrated and he's on a terrible team in a terrible organization. Given the huge failure rate on first round QBs, his status as the former first overall pick doesn't do much to temper my skepticism. - You can justify ranking Favre, Kitna, Delhomme, and maybe Warner higher if you're thinking short term. But they're not good options beyond 2008.- You can make a case for Drew Stanton a bit higher. But the injury was a big setback and with Martz out of town, does the new OC give Stanton a chance or try to find his own guy? That uncertainty keeps his value down a bit, though he's a good sleeper.
Click to expand...
Like the lists and haven't meant to step on any toes in posting mine even if we differ on some names. Its a good excercise to do ranking lists to take inventory.I'll just put mine here.1. Tom Brady2. Peyton Manning3. Carson Palmer4. Drew Brees5. Ben Roethlisberger6. Tony Romo7. Donovan McNabb8. Eli Manning9. Matt Hasselbeck10. Derek Anderson11. Marc Bulger12. David GarrardDA has everything that he had last year plus a year experience working with his line and recievers and coaching staff. If he resigns I don't see his numbers going down since he didn't start the first game last year. If Donovan stays healthy he's going to put up huge stats. Eli is coming. I would like Bulger to get better protection and I think he may in the draft. Dave Garrad stepped up in terms of leadership, he just needs to post better FF stats.13. Philip Rivers14. Jay Cutler15. Vince Young16. Jamarcus Russell17. Matt Leinart18. Aaron Rodgers19. Brady Quinn20. Jake Delhomme21. Jason Campbell22. Trent Edwards23. Brett Favre24. Chad PenningtonThink long term with Jamarcus. Same with Quinn due to opportunity but Rodgers may see his shot sooner than later. I like Trent Edwards and Chad Pennington.25. Jon Kitna26. Matt Schaub27. Kurt Warner28. Jeff Garcia29. Troy Smith30. Shaun Hill31. Kellen Clemens32. Cleo Lemon33. Kerry Collins34. Sage Rosenfels35. Kevin Kolb36. Alex SmithSleeper, Shaun Hill. Would have ranked him higher but I think SF will try and fail with Alex Smith one more season but I like Hill as a slepper in the Mike Matz offensive system. Missed.Tarvaris JacksonJohn BeckTrent GreenCharlie BatchKyle BollerSteve McNairQuinn GrayBilly VolekBrodie CroyleDamon HuardDaunte CulpepperBrian GrieseGus FerrotteDrew StantonIf Batch or C-Pep or even Ferrotte get another legit shot to prove themselves then I wouldn't be shocked to see one rebound but for now it doesn't look like they'll get that chance.
 
To avoid making this a specific team question and without mentioning specific names, I am interested in just hearing a little more opinion on Leinart. If your team owns a young QB in the 1-10 range and another young QB in the 11-20 range, in addition to Leinart, would you look to move him?

I still really believe in Leinart, especially considering his receivers. Leinart has also still only played in 12 games where another QB hasn't thrown a pass for the Cardinals. Is this a big enough sample size to write him off already? I really do like his talent, but I fear that if this year doesn't go as planned, he may not get another shot, even though the Cardinals really don't have any other young QB options. Any more insight is appreciated.

 
Beaumont said:
JPeso said:
Beaumont said:
I would like to see Alex Smith in the list (26-30 range), but its not a tragedy that he is out ...
Click to expand...
Shaun Hill could keep the job.
Click to expand...
I doubt it but if he does Alex Smith is starting somewhere else in 2009.
Click to expand...
I highly doubt it. I think Smith is probably toast after having a new coordinator every year. I don't see anyone willing to hand him a starter's job based solely on his 2006 season at this point. He'd have to go somewhere as a backup and fight his way back up the depth chart.
 
SSOG said:
Sinn Fein said:
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
Click to expand...
Out of curiousity, why?
Click to expand...
I watched him play Houston and SD in the last few games of the season, and he seemed to be distracted by a lot of things going on on the field - missed/bad calls, missed routes/blocking assignments, taunting by other players, etc.. It looked like he was always looking to blame someone else when things went bad.I had him on my re-draft team, and I still think he can be a viable QB - but for me, I'd rank him in the 12-15 range, and I think that is his peak. Which means he can still be a good fantasy starter in certain match-ups, but I would not want him as my every-week starter.I lower Rivers on my rankings for much the same reason.
 
Sinn Fein said:
SSOG said:
Sinn Fein said:
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
Click to expand...
Out of curiousity, why?
Click to expand...
I watched him play Houston and SD in the last few games of the season, and he seemed to be distracted by a lot of things going on on the field - missed/bad calls, missed routes/blocking assignments, taunting by other players, etc.. It looked like he was always looking to blame someone else when things went bad.I had him on my re-draft team, and I still think he can be a viable QB - but for me, I'd rank him in the 12-15 range, and I think that is his peak. Which means he can still be a good fantasy starter in certain match-ups, but I would not want him as my every-week starter.I lower Rivers on my rankings for much the same reason.
Click to expand...
I would've been furious at some of the missed blocking assignments in that SD game too - they were absolutely horrible at protecting him.
 
Sinn Fein said:
I watched him play Houston and SD in the last few games of the season, and he seemed to be distracted by a lot of things going on on the field - missed/bad calls, missed routes/blocking assignments, taunting by other players, etc.. It looked like he was always looking to blame someone else when things went bad.I had him on my re-draft team, and I still think he can be a viable QB - but for me, I'd rank him in the 12-15 range, and I think that is his peak. Which means he can still be a good fantasy starter in certain match-ups, but I would not want him as my every-week starter.I lower Rivers on my rankings for much the same reason.
Click to expand...
Fair enough. I agree that he seemed to get upset about some bad calls late in the season, but I thought he handled the taunting pretty well, and did a good job of never making excuses. The rest of it was stuff I've seen plenty of other QBs do (Manning and Favre, in particular, have had some episodes where they got visibly upset at the calls). Either way, I think "headcase" was pretty strong language, although reasonable minds may certainly disagree.
 
LILB811 said:
To avoid making this a specific team question and without mentioning specific names, I am interested in just hearing a little more opinion on Leinart. If your team owns a young QB in the 1-10 range and another young QB in the 11-20 range, in addition to Leinart, would you look to move him?I still really believe in Leinart, especially considering his receivers. Leinart has also still only played in 12 games where another QB hasn't thrown a pass for the Cardinals. Is this a big enough sample size to write him off already? I really do like his talent, but I fear that if this year doesn't go as planned, he may not get another shot, even though the Cardinals really don't have any other young QB options. Any more insight is appreciated.
Click to expand...
Historically speaking, if a QB isn't fantasy-viable within his first 2 seasons (as a starter), he'll never be fantasy-viable. I suppose you can make an injury exception (I haven't studied up on whether injuries can grant a QB a longer window), but either way, if a QB hasn't shown something to get excited about within 30 games, it's time to write him off. Leinart is fast approaching the precipice, as far as I'm concerned.
 
The QB ranking that I have the least confidence in is Aaron Rodgers. He stands to inherit a good offence with a couple of excellent receivers but has had very little playing time as a starter. I am not seen him deal with real adversity. He might be excellent but he also might tank. Some QBs look at home in the spotlight. Romo, Lienart and even Quinn strike me as this type of player but Rodgers not so much.

 
EBF said:
McNabb has been one of the better FF QBs of the past 5-6 years and he's still pretty young. People tend to have short memories, but if I'm not mistaken he was the top QB in my league in terms of points per game in 2006. I think he has plenty of juice left in the tank.
Click to expand...
:goodposting:
 
SSOG said:
LILB811 said:
To avoid making this a specific team question and without mentioning specific names, I am interested in just hearing a little more opinion on Leinart. If your team owns a young QB in the 1-10 range and another young QB in the 11-20 range, in addition to Leinart, would you look to move him?I still really believe in Leinart, especially considering his receivers. Leinart has also still only played in 12 games where another QB hasn't thrown a pass for the Cardinals. Is this a big enough sample size to write him off already? I really do like his talent, but I fear that if this year doesn't go as planned, he may not get another shot, even though the Cardinals really don't have any other young QB options. Any more insight is appreciated.
Click to expand...
Historically speaking, if a QB isn't fantasy-viable within his first 2 seasons (as a starter), he'll never be fantasy-viable. I suppose you can make an injury exception (I haven't studied up on whether injuries can grant a QB a longer window), but either way, if a QB hasn't shown something to get excited about within 30 games, it's time to write him off. Leinart is fast approaching the precipice, as far as I'm concerned.
Click to expand...
SSOG, I’ve read some of your posts on this subject before, and I really don’t disagree with the philosophy. I’m just not sure where Leinart fits in, considering he really hasn’t played too many games thus far. He’s looked good at times and looked terrible at times, and I don’t know if he’ll be a top level QB in this league or flame out. I’m just not sure.If you owned him, would you be looking to move him while there’s still some value, or would you hold and hope that he can right the ship in 2008? I assume this is why he is near the middle of the rankings, because people are just unsure of what will happen with this guy.
 
LILB811 said:
SSOG said:
LILB811 said:
To avoid making this a specific team question and without mentioning specific names, I am interested in just hearing a little more opinion on Leinart. If your team owns a young QB in the 1-10 range and another young QB in the 11-20 range, in addition to Leinart, would you look to move him?I still really believe in Leinart, especially considering his receivers. Leinart has also still only played in 12 games where another QB hasn't thrown a pass for the Cardinals. Is this a big enough sample size to write him off already? I really do like his talent, but I fear that if this year doesn't go as planned, he may not get another shot, even though the Cardinals really don't have any other young QB options. Any more insight is appreciated.
Click to expand...
Historically speaking, if a QB isn't fantasy-viable within his first 2 seasons (as a starter), he'll never be fantasy-viable. I suppose you can make an injury exception (I haven't studied up on whether injuries can grant a QB a longer window), but either way, if a QB hasn't shown something to get excited about within 30 games, it's time to write him off. Leinart is fast approaching the precipice, as far as I'm concerned.
Click to expand...
SSOG, I’ve read some of your posts on this subject before, and I really don’t disagree with the philosophy. I’m just not sure where Leinart fits in, considering he really hasn’t played too many games thus far. He’s looked good at times and looked terrible at times, and I don’t know if he’ll be a top level QB in this league or flame out. I’m just not sure.If you owned him, would you be looking to move him while there’s still some value, or would you hold and hope that he can right the ship in 2008? I assume this is why he is near the middle of the rankings, because people are just unsure of what will happen with this guy.
Click to expand...
I'd be looking to move him, but mostly because he's looked really putrid (in my opinion), and I'm not convinced he can ever be the guy in the NFL. I don't blame anyone who wants to hold him- my opinion probably isn't the consensus, since I've been down on Leinart ever since he was first drafted (of course he excelled at USC, USC was so loaded with NFL-caliber offensive talent that Leinart succeeding there was a lot like Ken Dorsey kicking tail at Miami, imo).If you do choose to hold him, however, remind yourself that this is the very last year. After this year, it's time to get whatever you can for him and move on.
 
EBF said:
1. Tom Brady2. Peyton Manning3. Ben Roethlisberger4. Carson Palmer5. Tony Romo6. Drew Brees7. Donovan McNabb8. Jay Cutler9. Matt Hasselbeck10. Marc Bulger11. Matt Schaub12. David Garrard13. Philip Rivers14. Eli Manning15. Vince Young16. Derek Anderson17. Matt Leinart18. Brady Quinn19. Trent Edwards20. Aaron Rodgers21. Kevin Kolb22. Jamarcus Russell23. Brett Favre24. Jason Campbell25. Jon Kitna26. Kellen Clemens27. Jake Delhomme28. Kurt Warner29. Tarvaris Jackson30. Drew StantonNotes:- I suspect people will take exception to my low ranking of Jason Campbell. I think he's a decent player who has some value in start 2 QB leagues, but there is nothing in his statistics that suggests a bright FF future. I think the guys I have ranked above him all have more upside based on what we've seen so far. - I am tempted to put Rodgers, Quinn, and Edwards ahead of Leinart. Leinart is a huge boom or bust pick. He has the supporting cast to be great, but he was horrible in 2007. If he doesn't show huge improvement next year then it's time to move on. - I get bad vibes on Russell. I've always thought he was overrated and he's on a terrible team in a terrible organization. Given the huge failure rate on first round QBs, his status as the former first overall pick doesn't do much to temper my skepticism. - You can justify ranking Favre, Kitna, Delhomme, and maybe Warner higher if you're thinking short term. But they're not good options beyond 2008.- You can make a case for Drew Stanton a bit higher. But the injury was a big setback and with Martz out of town, does the new OC give Stanton a chance or try to find his own guy? That uncertainty keeps his value down a bit, though he's a good sleeper.
Click to expand...
:goodposting:
 
Sinn Fein said:
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
Click to expand...
:)
 
Sinn Fein said:
Sinn Fein said:
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
Click to expand...
;)
Click to expand...
sometimes your QB needs to be a little crazy; Cutler reminds me a lot of Farve
 
:lmao:I've rarely been more embarased reading my own comments.

FUBAR said:
I don't think there's any way you put Rodgers or Edwards ahead of Leinart, but I agree he's a boom/bust pick. After you get your #1, I like boom/bust and will take potential. Edwards will never be a top flight QB (I know, he was a rookie, but I just don't see it) while Rodgers might be, we can't tell that but we know Leinart and Quinn have the right players around them to be legit #1 options. As you said with WRs, after you get past your starting QBs, I'll take the risk. Along these lines, I'll take Travaris Jackson at #20, ahead of Edwards.
Click to expand...
:popcorn:
FUBAR said:
I actually like Edwards enough in the NFL, but do you think the system will push him into a top FF option? IMO, he's one of the relatively safer "unknowns", but just don't see where he could be a top 10, whereas I do see that with Leinart and Quinn.
Click to expand...
Edwards may actually have top 10 potential this year.
 
KellysHeroes said:
Sinn Fein said:
Sinn Fein said:
EBF said:
mozzy84 said:
cutler seems out of place in that top ten, I would have garrard 10th and move the other two up myself. I think those are the top ten guys to have.
Click to expand...
I'm projecting a bit with Cutler. His QB rating and YPA average have been good through his first two years. That's a pretty good indication that he has a solid FF future. It's the same reasoning that leads me to rank Schaub so high.
Click to expand...
Cutler strikes me as somewhat of a headcase, and that would worry me at the QB position.
Click to expand...
:unsure:
Click to expand...
sometimes your QB needs to be a little crazy; Cutler reminds me a lot of Farve
Click to expand...
Cutler reminds me of the kid I used to babysit who would blow a gasket as soon as his mommy and daddy left the house.I don't know I've ever seen a bigger baby in all my years of following sports.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Anarchy99
ESPN's All Quarter Century Team
Replies
27
Views
1K
Zow
Zow
T
Travdogg's positional rankings from week 4 onward
2
Replies
73
Views
4K
stillfeelme
S
T
Travdogg's positional rankings (summer edition)
2
Replies
84
Views
7K
wgoldsph
wgoldsph

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top