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Dynasty Face off #2 (1 Viewer)
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sheerterror
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Went with Gonzalez. I know situations will always fluctuate so we can't bank on Rice always being on a bad passing team - but we know Gonzalez will be in a great situation for the foreseeable future. He's obviously got to wait out Harrison before stepping into a regular starting role, but once he does, he's the WR2 in a great offense, with a great WR lined up across from him and one of the best in the game throwing him the ball.
Tiki_Barber Fan
Footballguy
Choice is pretty easy for me in Gonzalez. Rice is the sexier pick, but until he has someone throwing him the ball, will be very inconsistent.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Rice has the door wide open to be the undisputed #1 target on his team.
Gonzalez's upside is WR2 at best as long as Wayne is there.
Also Dallas Clark >> V. Shiancoe.
Just sayin'.
Gonzalez's upside is WR2 at best as long as Wayne is there.
Also Dallas Clark >> V. Shiancoe.
Just sayin'.
NorrisB
Footballguy
But what about that horrible situation in Minnesota, your always talking about the situation and it baffles me you would take a guy in a garbage situation vs. a potent offense like Indy. Gonzalez' upside is WR1B as he can swallow up Harrison's production, plenty of production available there. Rice is good but there's an opportunity cost waiting for a passer.
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Tiki_Barber Fan
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You could be right, but I'd rather have Peyton's #3 (IMO I believe Gonzalez becomes the #3 behind Reggiei/Marvin & Dallas's #'s come down a bunch) than Minnesota's #1. Could Minnesota get a capable QB? Sure. I just don't assume they will. And I think they'll be more run oriented than Indy FWIW.Rice has a great ceiling. Gonzalez have a lesser ceiling, but with arguably the greatest QB in NFL history for the next 5-7 years, he could have several 1000 yard campaigns.Minnesota still has to find a QB of the future IMO. Not only that, but that QB-TBD has to develop a rapport with a young Rice....Rice has to also develop. Gonzalez is just too safe a selection IMO & I believe if that Minnesota isn't brought together soon, people will begin to sour on Rice as a result (when the results don't come as quickly as hoped).People want to see him take the Brandon Marshall-like jump. A Jay Cutler-caliber QB in Minnesota ain't walking through that door in 2008 IMO.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
The question becomes this then - and it extends beyond these two players. Do you want an elite talent capable of WR1 status for years, or a guy with a lower ceiling but a higher floor?That's the real question. Rice's ceiling is very high and higher than Gonzo - but Gonzo is the safer pick.Bottom line is if your Dynasty team can stomach a bust, take Rice (or trade him when he's at a local max point). If you need production or are going short-term or for a championship now and can't afford a wasted roster spot - Gonzo is your answer.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I agree with Tiki. I need to know what the Vikings are going to do in the off season to improve their QB situation before I could take Rice over Gonzo.
Tiki_Barber Fan
Footballguy
I agree with 100% with your post above.
I understand what's being said about dominating targets. But it does little good when you have a QB that goes 7-for-21 for 110 yards quite a # weeks. I'm just strongly opposed to the "#1" on this questionable passing team > "#3" option on highly potent passing team. I'd just prefer having Gonz to other "#1's" in R.Curry, Reggie Williams/Northcutt, Gage/Roydell/Brandon Jones (whomever), Lee Evans, Santana Moss, Ginn.
I understand what's being said about dominating targets. But it does little good when you have a QB that goes 7-for-21 for 110 yards quite a # weeks. I'm just strongly opposed to the "#1" on this questionable passing team > "#3" option on highly potent passing team. I'd just prefer having Gonz to other "#1's" in R.Curry, Reggie Williams/Northcutt, Gage/Roydell/Brandon Jones (whomever), Lee Evans, Santana Moss, Ginn.
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dmac37
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Week 2 in my dynasty someone dropped Rice, so I jumped all over picking him up for nothing. Not sure I follow the extreme love for him right now, he seems to be ranked in the range of 20-23 on many dynasty boards here. Wondering if he could be a sell high if someone is willing to reach.
LILB811
Footballguy
So you think if the Colts could go back to the draft, they would still select Gonzalez, who has the same frame as the rest of their receivers, instead of Rice?
MAC_32
Footballguy
They already did that. Gonz was selected 32nd in 07, Rice went 45th. Many had Rice higher on their WR boards before the draft last season, I did not. Good pick, Colts.
LILB811
Footballguy
I know they already did that. After seeing each receiver play a year in the NFL, most of the previous posters, and myself, think that Rice has the higher ceiling and higher potential. Personally I think the Colts would take Rice if they had the option again.What have you seen that makes you think Gonzalez is the better player, disregarding situation?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Sorry, read your post wrong the first time. I never disagreed that Rice had a higher ceiling; I disagreed that he was the better pick. Rice has more upside than Gonz, which is widely accepted, but upside doesn't guarantee anything. In the end I think Gonz is a better compliment to Wayne than Rice would be, both now and over the next few years, and is a better fit for Indy's system than Rice would have been. Rice was a very raw route runner coming out of school with marginal speed, Gonz was arguably the best at both of these areas among all of the 07 class. That is very important in Indy's scheme, which relies on precise routes and timing. The only component of Rice's game that's any better than Gonz's is his size, but I believe the toughness in which Gonz displays after the catch offsets that. I'd also give Rice the edge in ball skills, but Gonz is better at creating separation.If you want a deep threat with upside, go Rice. If you want a great #2 with potential to be a solid #1 - reminds me of a faster Donald Driver - go Gonz.I know they already did that. After seeing each receiver play a year in the NFL, most of the previous posters, and myself, think that Rice has the higher ceiling and higher potential. Personally I think the Colts would take Rice if they had the option again.What have you seen that makes you think Gonzalez is the better player, disregarding situation?
LILB811
Footballguy
All very good points. I guess in the end it boils down to whether you think Rice is going to be able to develop the areas where it is clear he is lacking, and if he will be given the opportunity to be the go-to-guy. I'm on the side that I guess is hopeful and think he will, but it may not be that soon. Minnesota's QB situation is a mess, and Rice is still only 21. I guess we'll know soon enough.Sorry, read your post wrong the first time. I never disagreed that Rice had a higher ceiling; I disagreed that he was the better pick. Rice has more upside than Gonz, which is widely accepted, but upside doesn't guarantee anything. In the end I think Gonz is a better compliment to Wayne than Rice would be, both now and over the next few years, and is a better fit for Indy's system than Rice would have been. Rice was a very raw route runner coming out of school with marginal speed, Gonz was arguably the best at both of these areas among all of the 07 class. That is very important in Indy's scheme, which relies on precise routes and timing. The only component of Rice's game that's any better than Gonz's is his size, but I believe the toughness in which Gonz displays after the catch offsets that. I'd also give Rice the edge in ball skills, but Gonz is better at creating separation.If you want a deep threat with upside, go Rice. If you want a great #2 with potential to be a solid #1 - reminds me of a faster Donald Driver - go Gonz.I know they already did that. After seeing each receiver play a year in the NFL, most of the previous posters, and myself, think that Rice has the higher ceiling and higher potential. Personally I think the Colts would take Rice if they had the option again.What have you seen that makes you think Gonzalez is the better player, disregarding situation?
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