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Preliminary Post-Draft Rankings of 2009 Rookie class (Updated 4/27/09)

Lists are based on Dynasty Rankings for a typical 12-team Rookie draft (Typical 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, PPR leagues)



Overall Top 10

[83] RB Knowshon Moreno, Denver Broncos

[79] RB Chris Wells, Arizona Cardinals

[77] RB Donald Brown, Indianapolis Colts

[77] WR Michael Crabtree, San Francisco 49ers

[75] RB LeSean McCoy, Philadelphia Eagles

[73] RB Shonn Greene, New York Jets

[73] WR Jeremy Maclin, Philadelphia Eagles

[73] QB Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions

[71] WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Oakland Raiders

[70] WR Hakeem Nicks, New York Giants



QBs >80 Potential fantasy stud, 80-65 Potential fantasy starter, <65 Potential fantasy backup

[73] Matthew Stafford, DET

[69] Mark Sanchez, NYJ

[64] Josh Freeman, TB

[50] Nate Davis, SF



RBs >90 Potential fantasy stud, 90-65 Potential fantasy starter, <65 Potential fantasy backup

[83] Knowshon Moreno, DEN

[79] Chris Wells, ARZ

[77] Donald Brown, IND

[75] LeSean McCoy, PHI

[73] Shonn Greene, NYJ

[60] Andre Brown, NYG

[59] James Davis, CLE

[59] Rashad Jennings, JAX

[58] Cedric Peerman, BAL

[58] Bernard Scott, CIN

[57] Gartrell Johnson, SD

[53] Javon Ringer, TEN

[53] Arian Foster, HOU

[53] Glen Coffee, SF

[53] Mike Goodson, CAR

[51] Kory Sheets, SF

[51] Jeremiah Johnson, HOU

[51] Javarris Williams, KC



WRs >90 Potential fantasy stud, 90-60 Potential fantasy starter, <60 Potential fantasy backup

[77] Michael Crabtree, SF

[73] Jeremy Maclin, PHI

[71] Darrius Heyward-Bey, OAK

[70] Hakeem Nicks, NYG

[69] Percy Harvin, MIN

[68] Kenny Britt, TEN

[67] Brain Robiskie, CLE

[62] Juaquin Iglesias, CHI

[61] Jarett Dillard, JAX

[60] Ramses Barden, NYG

[60] Derrick Wiliams, DET

[59] Mike Thomas, JAX

[58] Brandon Tate, NE

[57] Mohamed Massaquoi, CLE

[56] Austin Collie, IND

[54] Mike Wallace, PIT

[54] Sammie Stroughter, TB

[54] Johnny Knox, CHI

[54] Deon Butler, SEA

[53] Louis Murphy, OAK

[53] Brooks Foster, STL

[53] Patrick Turner, MIA

[52] Brandon Gibson, PHI

[50] Kenny McKinley, DEN

[50] Kevin Ogletree, DAL

[50] Aaron Kelly, ATL



TEs >72 Potential fantasy stud, 72-57 Potential fantasy starter, <57 Potential fantasy backup

[65] James Cook, TEN

[63] Shawn Nelson, BUF

[63] Brandon Pettigrew, DET

[57] James Casey, HOU

[57] Chase Coffman, CIN

[55] Travis Beckum, NYG

[53] Cornelius Ingram, PHI

 
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nice list, but i thought Jermichael Finley entered the draft?

 
The best of the bunch [right now, will change] in order...

QB --> Tim Tebow [oh, I went there], Todd Boeckman

RB --> Beanie Wells, Knowshon Moreno, James Davis, CJ Spiller

WR --> Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Darius Heyward-Bey, Demetrius Byrd, Jarrett Dillard, Brian Robiskie

 
Sophomore RB Quentin Castille Nebraska

Big back at 6-1 245, but tough as hell and with decent speed. Will be interesting to see him get more carries next year.

 
mcintyre1 said:
Sophomore RB Quentin Castille Nebraska Big back at 6-1 245, but tough as hell and with decent speed. Will be interesting to see him get more carries next year.
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Castille is listed as FB which is why I initially overlooked him.I added some more names and made a solid list of the headline guys.
 
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jeter23 said:
I think Anthony Allen left Louisville and transferred.
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Very true. He hasn't declared where he is headed as of yet if I remember correctly, but I wanted to include him because he's got NFL measurables, just wasn't the guy Louisville was looking for.Beanie Wells, C.J. Spiller, P.J. Hill, Keiland Williams, Javarris James, Mike Goodson and Ben Tate are the cream of the crop right now in terms of '10 RBs.That famous '10 class of USC RBs could yield a superstar, most likely Gable, but it's tough to tell with the crowd in that backfield. (no wonder Moody transferred)I really like Mississippi State's Anthony Dixon and NC State's Jamelle Eugene as sleepers.
 
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Noel Devine RB WVU (So)
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Oh he's definitely in there. He might be more productive than Slaton at WVU. Only thing keeping him from being one of the top on this list is obviously his build. Look out for Trindon Holliday of LSU as well. (5'5"!)ETA: Before anyone questions why Pat White is so high on this list... his athleticism should offer him a shot to play WR in the NFL.
 
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Joe McKnight started to live up the "next Reggie Bush" hype a little bit in the Rose Bowl. He's not as gifted as Bush, but could be a first round type prospect when all is said and done.

My early opinion is that Crabtree and Heyward-Bey are the two best skill position prospects who will be eligible next season.

Wells didn't immediately jump out at me like I would've expected given his production and reputation. Moreno is a solid first round prospect, but not an elite player. I think his talent level is about on par with Maroney's.

 
EBF said:
Joe McKnight started to live up the "next Reggie Bush" hype a little bit in the Rose Bowl. He's not as gifted as Bush, but could be a first round type prospect when all is said and done. My early opinion is that Crabtree and Heyward-Bey are the two best skill position prospects who will be eligible next season.Wells didn't immediately jump out at me like I would've expected given his production and reputation. Moreno is a solid first round prospect, but not an elite player. I think his talent level is about on par with Maroney's.
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After all the hype, I'd hope he'll be a 1st rounder... I would expect him to be the most efficient Trojan RB next year, but who knows if he'll carry the load. Carroll will likely juggle his stable of future NFL prospects, but McKnight definitely has the most talent and is the best NFL prospect among them. (My previous post was in regards to their '10 guys)Maroney's got great instinct and is a much more powerful runner (pound-for-pound) than Maroney. He's got a chip on his shoulder that can make a skilled runner an elite NFL RB.
 
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Maroney's got great instinct and is a much more powerful runner (pound-for-pound) than Maroney. He's got a chip on his shoulder that can make a skilled runner an elite NFL RB.
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Disagree. I don't think he has the special athletic qualities to be a star in the NFL and he's going to pay the price for running as hard as he does. At best he is Lynch or Barber. And I say this as a guy who drafted him in the 4th round of my college dynasty league when he was coming out of high school. He's a good, solid first round RB. He just doesn't have the juice in his legs to be elite IMO.
 
Updated first post to include my Final 2008 Rookie Rankings (Dynasty, non-PPR), and an expanded list of the 2009 draft-eligible skill-position players.

 
aposulli said:
Updated first post to include my Final 2008 Rookie Rankings (Dynasty, non-PPR), and an expanded list of the 2009 draft-eligible skill-position players.
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Not eligible as he is only a true Sophomore.I will probably post a short list of players eligible for the '10 draft at some point, but it'll hardly be anything beyond the top Sophomores and redshirt Freshmen. Joe McKnight comes to mind off the top of my head. Devine is too slightly built to take a top spot on a list of fantasy prospects.
 
Mike Teel, Rutgers QB, should be on that list of '09 prospects. With Ray Rice gone, Rutgers will be more of a passing team next year, and he has the size, arm strength, and game management skills to really open some eyes.

 
Chase Daniel seems awfully low on your rankings, any reason?

 
RBs-- It looks pretty clear that Stafon Johnson has beat out Gable. Aaron Brown broke his ankle last year. He's tearing it up again. He should be drafted and should probably be a top 20 RB. I've seen him at his best and think he has top 10 talent in this class. He's so similar to Gooden I would list them together. Brown probably has better power. He's more physical but just as good receiving. Great speed. Oregon RB LaGarrette Blount was as advertised and had coaches saying he was better than they thought. He's going to be interesting. In a list as long as yours, I would get his name on there somewhere, just in case.

Rudy Carpenter will get drafted too, so he has to be a top 12-15 QB, imo.

Sammie Stroughter will be back. He's a very explosive WR with great special teams value. Usually those guys get drafted. I would have him in the top 25.

 
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Mike Teel, Rutgers QB, should be on that list of '09 prospects. With Ray Rice gone, Rutgers will be more of a passing team next year, and he has the size, arm strength, and game management skills to really open some eyes.
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He, along with Juice Williams, Matt Groethe, Ryan Perriloux, Armanti Edwards and Kellen Lewis were the last guys I omitted from the list
 
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RBs-- It looks pretty clear that Stafon Johnson has beat out Gable. Aaron Brown broke his ankle last year. He's tearing it up again. He should be drafted and should probably be a top 20 RB. I've seen him at his best and think he has top 10 talent in this class. He's so similar to Gooden I would list them together. Brown probably has better power. He's more physical but just as good receiving. Great speed. Oregon RB LaGarrette Blount was as advertised and had coaches saying he was better than they thought. He's going to be interesting. In a list as long as yours, I would get his name on there somewhere, just in case. Rudy Carpenter will get drafted too, so he has to be a top 12-15 QB, imo. Sammie Stroughter will be back. He's a very explosive WR with great special teams value. Usually those guys get drafted. I would have him in the top 25.
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Stroughter and Brown had both been on my lists earlier, but i guess they slipped my mind due to injuries. Stroughter did not look good when he did play last year. I like Stafon Johnson, but still they'll undoubtedly be using a RBBC in SoCal. Still, I would agree Johnson has the best chance to shoot up this list. Oregon should be a very interesting team this year with a returning Jeremiah Johnson and Juco transfer Blount. Unfortunately it looks like they'll have to fit a square peg into a round hole at QB which could limit their offensive potential.Carpenter has the tools to succeed at the next level for sure. He was way higher on my rankings heading into last year, but was pretty dissapointing. This season will be big for him.
 
You guys scare me, really you do. I'm barely able to digest the 2008 draft and rookie situation.... you guys are already scouting 2009 & 2010. Great moogly-oogly.

Thanks for doing it though :rolleyes:

 
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Chaos Commish said:
RBs-- It looks pretty clear that Stafon Johnson has beat out Gable. Aaron Brown broke his ankle last year. He's tearing it up again. He should be drafted and should probably be a top 20 RB. I've seen him at his best and think he has top 10 talent in this class. He's so similar to Gooden I would list them together. Brown probably has better power. He's more physical but just as good receiving. Great speed. Oregon RB LaGarrette Blount was as advertised and had coaches saying he was better than they thought. He's going to be interesting. In a list as long as yours, I would get his name on there somewhere, just in case. Rudy Carpenter will get drafted too, so he has to be a top 12-15 QB, imo. Sammie Stroughter will be back. He's a very explosive WR with great special teams value. Usually those guys get drafted. I would have him in the top 25.
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Stroughter and Brown had both been on my lists earlier, but i guess they slipped my mind due to injuries. Stroughter did not look good when he did play last year. I like Stafon Johnson, but still they'll undoubtedly be using a RBBC in SoCal. Still, I would agree Johnson has the best chance to shoot up this list. Oregon should be a very interesting team this year with a returning Jeremiah Johnson and Juco transfer Blount. Unfortunately it looks like they'll have to fit a square peg into a round hole at QB which could limit their offensive potential.Carpenter has the tools to succeed at the next level for sure. He was way higher on my rankings heading into last year, but was pretty dissapointing. This season will be big for him.
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is mccants a factor at oregon?
 
noneother said:
aposulli said:
Chaos Commish said:
RBs-- It looks pretty clear that Stafon Johnson has beat out Gable. Aaron Brown broke his ankle last year. He's tearing it up again. He should be drafted and should probably be a top 20 RB. I've seen him at his best and think he has top 10 talent in this class. He's so similar to Gooden I would list them together. Brown probably has better power. He's more physical but just as good receiving. Great speed. Oregon RB LaGarrette Blount was as advertised and had coaches saying he was better than they thought. He's going to be interesting. In a list as long as yours, I would get his name on there somewhere, just in case. Rudy Carpenter will get drafted too, so he has to be a top 12-15 QB, imo. Sammie Stroughter will be back. He's a very explosive WR with great special teams value. Usually those guys get drafted. I would have him in the top 25.
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Stroughter and Brown had both been on my lists earlier, but i guess they slipped my mind due to injuries. Stroughter did not look good when he did play last year. I like Stafon Johnson, but still they'll undoubtedly be using a RBBC in SoCal. Still, I would agree Johnson has the best chance to shoot up this list. Oregon should be a very interesting team this year with a returning Jeremiah Johnson and Juco transfer Blount. Unfortunately it looks like they'll have to fit a square peg into a round hole at QB which could limit their offensive potential.Carpenter has the tools to succeed at the next level for sure. He was way higher on my rankings heading into last year, but was pretty dissapointing. This season will be big for him.
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is mccants a factor at oregon?
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I'm assuming you are referring to Ryan McCants of Oregon State. Haven't seen him play but from what I've read he's going to be the starter and might remind Beaver fans of a certain big 'back they had toting the rock a few years ago. Should be interesting, though he won't be draft eligible until 2010 at the earliest, and I would have to assume he won't be going pro until 2011, maybe 2012.
 
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Thanks for the clarification.

I expose my ignorance around Beavers and Ducks... hmm.. that doesn't type out as good as I had hoped...

anywhere better than scouts and rivals for the 2011, 2012 stuff?

 
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Thanks for the clarification.I expose my ignorance around Beavers and Ducks... hmm.. that doesn't type out as good as I had hoped...anywhere better than scouts and rivals for the 2011, 2012 stuff?
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You may be able to scrounge up some links, but nothing I've found is nearly as in depth. (in terms of free content...)
 
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I think RB Emmanuel Moody ends up being a late first round ff pick, he's got good skills
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With all the ridiculous offensive weapons at UF, I don't think he'll ever come close to 1,000 yards. But, as with just about every 'back that goes through USC, Moody is a potential NFL talent.
 
I've been playing around with some WR BMI data and while it's tough to draw any meaningful conclusions from the numbers, they suggest that James Hardy might be a risky prospect. He has a very low BMI for a "power" style WR. The Colston and Burress comparisons seem off since those guys are substantially thicker. Hardy's BMI is more in line with guys like Holt and Bruce, yet he clearly doesn't have the mobility of a finesse WR. Add in the character risk and he's sliding down my board a bit. Big time bust risk.

 
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I've been playing around with some WR BMI data and while it's tough to draw any meaningful conclusions from the numbers, they suggest that James Hardy might be a risky prospect. He has a very low BMI for a "power" style WR. The Colston and Burress comparisons seem off since those guys are substantially thicker. Hardy's BMI is more in line with guys like Holt and Bruce, yet he clearly doesn't have the mobility of a finesse WR. Add in the character risk and he's sliding down my board a bit. Big time bust risk.
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Burress isn't that much bigger than Hardy. If I know you, you're referring mostly to their lower-body, but still- no big difference from what I've seen.Hardy isn't an overly physical or a finesse-type of WR, but at worst- he will be an excellent redzone threat as he is better than anyone in this draft class at using his hands to make the tough catch. So he is strikingly similar to Burress in that way.All that said, I've moved him down a peg since the last update. I like some WRs better, but they aren't in great situations.
 
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EBF said:
I've been playing around with some WR BMI data and while it's tough to draw any meaningful conclusions from the numbers, they suggest that James Hardy might be a risky prospect. He has a very low BMI for a "power" style WR. The Colston and Burress comparisons seem off since those guys are substantially thicker. Hardy's BMI is more in line with guys like Holt and Bruce, yet he clearly doesn't have the mobility of a finesse WR. Add in the character risk and he's sliding down my board a bit. Big time bust risk.
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Burress isn't that much bigger than Hardy. If I know you, you're referring mostly to their lower-body, but still- no big difference from what I've seen.Hardy isn't an overly physical or a finesse-type of WR, but at worst- he will be an excellent redzone threat as he is better than anyone in this draft class at using his hands to make the tough catch. So he is strikingly similar to Burress in that way.

All that said, I've moved him down a peg since the last update. I like some WRs better, but they aren't in great situations.
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My work on WR BMI is in its infancy, but one of my early observations is that you can generally file receivers into two broad categories based on BMI score:Finesse - BMI between 25-27. These players survive by speed and route running. Examples: Wayne, Harrison, Bruce, Holt, Randy

Power - BMI between 27-29. These players survive by power and strength. Examples: Boldin, Ward, Owens, Colston, Cotchery

There are a few exceptions, but by and large, the guys we think of as "big" WR's have BMI scores in the "power" range whereas none of the receivers with a BMI score under 27 are "power" WR's when you think about their playing style. This brings me to my point.

Hardy is 6'5.3" and 217 pounds. His BMI is 25.5.

Check that figure against the BMI of several power receivers to whom he's often compared:

Plaxico Burress - 6'5" 232 - BMI = 27.5

Marques Colston - 6'4" 231 - BMI = 28.1

Larry Fitzgerald - 6'3" 226 - BMI = 28.2

Calvin Johnson - 6'5" 239 - BMI = 29.1

Hardy's 25.5 BMI is well below the norm for a power WR. Now let's look at some WR's with BMI scores similar to Hardy's:

Marvin Harrison - 6'0" 185 - BMI = 25.1

Chad Johnson - 6'1" 192 - BMI = 25.3

Isaac Bruce - 6'0" 188 - BMI = 25.5

Torry Holt - 6' 190 - BMI = 25.8

All finesse guys. Hardy has the playing style of a power WR trapped in the body of a finesse WR. I'm not sure if this really means anything, but it was enough of a red flag to get my attention, especially since I already harbored some concerns about his route running and his ability to get separation in the NFL.

 
EBF said:
aposulli said:
EBF said:
I've been playing around with some WR BMI data and while it's tough to draw any meaningful conclusions from the numbers, they suggest that James Hardy might be a risky prospect. He has a very low BMI for a "power" style WR. The Colston and Burress comparisons seem off since those guys are substantially thicker. Hardy's BMI is more in line with guys like Holt and Bruce, yet he clearly doesn't have the mobility of a finesse WR. Add in the character risk and he's sliding down my board a bit. Big time bust risk.
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Burress isn't that much bigger than Hardy. If I know you, you're referring mostly to their lower-body, but still- no big difference from what I've seen.Hardy isn't an overly physical or a finesse-type of WR, but at worst- he will be an excellent redzone threat as he is better than anyone in this draft class at using his hands to make the tough catch. So he is strikingly similar to Burress in that way.

All that said, I've moved him down a peg since the last update. I like some WRs better, but they aren't in great situations.
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My work on WR BMI is in its infancy, but one of my early observations is that you can generally file receivers into two broad categories based on BMI score:Finesse - BMI between 25-27. These players survive by speed and route running. Examples: Wayne, Harrison, Bruce, Holt, Randy

Power - BMI between 27-29. These players survive by power and strength. Examples: Boldin, Ward, Owens, Colston, Cotchery

There are a few exceptions, but by and large, the guys we think of as "big" WR's have BMI scores in the "power" range whereas none of the receivers with a BMI score under 27 are "power" WR's when you think about their playing style. This brings me to my point.

Hardy is 6'5.3" and 217 pounds. His BMI is 25.5.

Check that figure against the BMI of several power receivers to whom he's often compared:

Plaxico Burress - 6'5" 232 - BMI = 27.5

Marques Colston - 6'4" 231 - BMI = 28.1

Larry Fitzgerald - 6'3" 226 - BMI = 28.2

Calvin Johnson - 6'5" 239 - BMI = 29.1

Hardy's 25.5 BMI is well below the norm for a power WR. Now let's look at some WR's with BMI scores similar to Hardy's:

Marvin Harrison - 6'0" 185 - BMI = 25.1

Chad Johnson - 6'1" 192 - BMI = 25.3

Isaac Bruce - 6'0" 188 - BMI = 25.5

Torry Holt - 6' 190 - BMI = 25.8

All finesse guys. Hardy has the playing style of a power WR trapped in the body of a finesse WR. I'm not sure if this really means anything, but it was enough of a red flag to get my attention, especially since I already harbored some concerns about his route running and his ability to get separation in the NFL.
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Do you actually have any evidence to support the case of guys built like Hardy busting? I am a little leery of this whole thing although I fully back this idea in terms of RBs. I'm sure Hardy, like most incoming Rooks will pack on some additional muscle. Burress was an absolute rail when he came into the league. I have doubts about Hardy's overall game, but if he packs on a few pounds on his upper-body, he has to be a guy with double-digit TD potential.
 
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Do you actually have any evidence to support the case of guys built like Hardy busting?
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The only evidence I can offer is that there isn't a possession WR with his body type succeeding in the NFL right now. So my case against Hardy is similar to my case against McFadden: if he succeeds, he'll be the first of his kind in the modern NFL. I agree that BMI is harder to interpret with WR prospects than it is with backs, but I think we might eventually find a way to use it. What I initially did was make a list of the top WR's in the league and break them up according to BMI. I got the following results:Marvin Harrison - 25.1Chad Johnson - 25.3Amani Toomer - 25.4Isaac Bruce - 25.5Randy Moss - 25.6Torry Holt - 25.8Donald Driver - 25.8TJ Houshmandzadeh - 26.3Santonio Holmes - 26.4Reggie Wayne - 26.9Braylon Edwards - 26.9Javon Walker - 26.9Laveranues Coles - 26.9Terrell Owens - 27.2Steve Smith - 27.3Terry Glenn - 27.3Joe Horn - 27.4Plaxico Burress - 27.5Derrick Mason - 27.5Joey Galloway - 27.5Greg Jennings - 27.5Muhsin Muhammad - 27.6Andre Johnson - 27.7Hines Ward - 27.8Roddy White - 27.9Brandon Marshall - 28.0Marques Colston - 28.1Jerricho Cotchery - 28.1Larry Fitzgerald - 28.2Lee Evans - 28.3Dwayne Bowe - 28.4Marty Booker - 28.5Anquan Boldin - 28.6Santana Moss - 28.7 Chris Chambers - 29.3As you can see, these numbers are hard to interpret, but I think we can possibly draw a few loose conclusions:- Every successful WR with a BMI under 26.5 is a finesse type WR who succeeds because of speed and overall mobility. Therefore we might be able to include that any power type WR who succeeds because of strength and RAC would need to have a BMI greater than 26.5. I would recommend discriminating against power WR's with a BMI below 26.5. That's why I put out to the warning on Hardy. He's a power style WR with a finesse body type. - Speed WR's come in all sizes. While it's true that every WR with a BMI under 26.5 is a finesse type WR, it's also true that there are successful high BMI speed guys like Santana Moss (28.7), Lee Evans (28.3), Greg Jennings (27.5), Joey Galloway (27.5), and Terry Glenn (27.3). I would therefore recommend ignoring BMI for receivers with a speed/quickness playing style. It doesn't seem relevant. That's about all I feel comfortable saying at this point in time. Obviously I'm in a very preliminary stage with this stuff. To me what's most useful about this data is the ability to break WR's into distinct categories based on BMI and to compare prospects to players in those categories. For example, Earl Bennett is considered a possession (power) type WR. He is compared to guys like Chambers, Cotchery, and Booker. You would expect his BMI to be similar. Sure enough, Bennett has a 28.8 BMI, which puts him snugly between Cotchery (28.1) and Chambers (29.1). I wouldn't upgrade him because of this, but I wouldn't downgrade him either. On the flipside, James Hardy is a possession (power) type WR. He is compared to guys like Colston, Burress, and Marshall. You would expect his BMI to be similar. Unfortunately, Hardy's 25.5 BMI is well below that of Burress (27.5), Marshall (28.0), and Colston (28.1). I would consider downgrading him because of this. Here's the BMI for the prominent 2008 rooks:DeSean Jackson - 24.5Harry Douglas - 24.5Jerome Simpson - 25.1Mario Manningham - 25.2James Hardy - 25.5Lavelle Hawkins - 26.1Limas Sweed - 26.4Donnie Avery - 26.8Keenan Burton - 27.1Eddie Royal - 27.2Dexter Jackson - 27.3Andre Caldwell - 27.5Malcolm Kelly - 27.6Devin Thomas - 27.8Jordy Nelson - 27.9Early Doucet - 28.3Earl Bennett - 28.8
 
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For prosperity's sake, here are my final 2008 Dynasty Rookie Rankings (as of 5/16/08)

...using arbitrary rating scale to show tiers

Non-PPR Top 60

[88] RB Rashard Mendenhall, PIT

[86] RB Jonathan Stewart, CAR

[84] RB Darren McFadden, OAK

[72] RB Kevin Smith, DET

[70] RB Matt Forte, CHI

[63] RB Ray Rice, BAL

[64] WR James Hardy, BUF

[63] WR Devin Thomas, WAS

[61] QB Matt Ryan, ATL

[61] RB Felix Jones, DAL

[61] WR Limas Sweed, PIT

[60] WR Malcolm Kelly, WAS

[59] RB Chris Johnson, TEN

[55] RB Jamaal Charles, KC

[55] WR Earl Bennett, CHI

[54] WR Mario Manningham, NYG

[54] WR Andre Caldwell, CIN

[52] TE Dustin Keller, NYJ

[50] WR DeSean Jackson, PHI

[49] WR Donnie Avery, STL

[48] QB Joe Flacco, BAL

[48] WR Jordy Nelson, GB

[48] WR Jerome Simpson, CIN

[46] WR Early Doucet, ARZ

[46] RB Steve Slaton, HOU

[45] QB Brian Brohm, GB

[45] WR Keenan Burton, STL

[45] WR Eddie Royal, DEN

[43] QB Josh Johnson, TB

[43] RB Tashard Choice, DAL

[43] TE John Carlson, SEA

[42] WR Lavelle Hawkins, TEN

[42] QB Chad Henne, MIA

[42] RB Ryan Torain, DEN

[41] WR William Franklin, KC

[40] RB Mike Hart, IND

[37] WR Steve Johnson, BUF

[37] WR Dexter Jackson, TB

[37] WR Paul Hubbard, CLE

[37] WR Marcus Monk, CHI

[36] RB Justin Forsett, SEA

[36] RB Chauncey Washington, JAX

[35] QB John David Booty, MIN

[35] RB Corey Boyd, TB

[35] RB Timothy Hightower, ARZ

[35] WR Adrian Arrington, NO

[34] RB Jalen Parlmele, MIA

[34] RB Jacob Hester, SD

[34] WR Marcus Smith, BAL

[34] WR Pierre Garcon, IND

[33] RB Thomas Brown, ATL

[33] RB Jerome Felton, DET

[33] WR Arman Shields, OAK

[33] TE Fred Davis, WAS

[33] TE Jermichael Finley, GB

[32] WR Harry Douglas, ATL

[32] RB Marcus Thomas, SD

[32] RB Xavier Omon, BUF

[32] WR Josh Morgan, SF

[31] QB Kevin O'Connell, NE

 
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updated lists....

Top 2009 draft-eligible prospects

1. RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia**

2. WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech**

3. RB Chris Wells, Ohio State*

4. RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh**

5. WR Darius Heyward-Bey, Maryland*

6. RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma**

7. RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson*

8. RB Keiland Williams, LSU*

9. WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri**

10. RB James Davis, Clemson

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** = 3rd year Sophomore
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Pretty good lists. I still think Crabtree is the best player in the pool, but RB's usually go higher in FF leagues. I would expect Wells, Moreno, and McCoy to be drafted ahead of him in a lot of leagues next year if they come out and get picked in the first round of the NFL draft. I'm not really sold on any of those guys as future top 10 NFL backs just yet though. There will be a lot of shuffling in these lists over the next 6 months. There are always some legit players who come out of the woodwork and rocket up the charts. I could see Keiland being one of those guys this year. Ditto Stafon Johnson. I also think some of the wideouts like Harvin, Robiskie, Dillard, Kelly, and Byrd could make a run at top 10-12 status.

No sense agonizing over any of this stuff just yet though. At this time last year everyone had Slaton ahead of Stewart and not a soul on the boards was talking about Mendenhall. College football is not too far away though. I'm really looking forward to that Ohio State/USC matchup. That could be the coming out party for the next generation of Trojan stars. Either way, there will be a lot of NFL talent on the field for that one.

 
I was surprised to see Heyward-Bey ranked so high. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but his numbers have been severely held back given how talented I think he is by absolutely horrid QB play at MD the last two years. Actually, "horrid" might be too kind a description......

Anyway, it looks like others see the talent in DHB based on these rankings. I've seen very little of Crabtree other than highlights & reading his eye-popping numbers. How do the two compare to each other & who would you compare each to in the NFL?

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I was surprised to see Heyward-Bey ranked so high. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but his numbers have been severely held back given how talented I think he is by absolutely horrid QB play at MD the last two years. Actually, "horrid" might be too kind a description......
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If he had better stats, people would be talking about DHB as a potential 5 pick. He has a strong frame and exceptional deep speed. I think he has a very high upside, but he's not as accomplished as some of the other receivers in the pool. He'll likely need a breakout campaign to be a top 10-15 pick, but his physical gifts will have teams very excited. He could definitely surge up the boards and be the WR2 in April.
Anyway, it looks like others see the talent in DHB based on these rankings. I've seen very little of Crabtree other than highlights & reading his eye-popping numbers. How do the two compare to each other & who would you compare each to in the NFL?
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Crabtree is kind of like a hybrid of Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. He has some of Boldin's run-after-the-catch skills and some of Fitzgerald's circus catch and jump ball skills. I see him as can't-miss prospect and I think he would've been the top offensive skill player available in the draft if he had been eligible this year. He's VERY good. Check out the clips:
 
aposulli said:
updated lists....

Sneak peek at top Senior, Junior, and Sophomore draft prospects (Updated 6/20/08)

Lists are based upon the fantasy upside of players in their best potential situation

Senior QBs

1. Cullen Harper, Clemson

2. Curtis Painter, Purdue

3. Hunter Cantwell, Louisville

4. Todd Boekman, Ohio State

5. Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State

6. Graham Harrell, Texas Tech

7. Todd Brandstater, Fresno State

8. Chase Holbrook, New Mexico

9. Steven McGee, Texas A&M

10. Chase Daniel, Missouri

Junior QBs

1. Matthew Stafford, Georgia

2. Tim Tebow, Florida

3. Nate Davis, Ball State

4. Colt McCoy, Texas

5. Dan Levevour, Central Michigan

6. Mark Sanchez, USC

7. Rusty Smith, FAU

8. Josh Freeman, Kansas State

9. Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State

10. Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee

Sophomore QBs

1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

2. Jake Locker, Washington

3. Kevin Riley, California

4. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada

5. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

Senior RBs

1. James Davis, Clemson

2. Arian Foster, Tennessee

3. Marlon Lucky, Nebraska

4. Javon Ringer, Michigan State

5. Keegan Herring, Arizona State

6. Andre Brown, North Carolina State

7. Ian Johnson, Boise State

8. Kory Sheets, Purdue

9. Tyrell Sutton, Northwestern

10. Maurice Wells, Ohio State

11. Brad Lester, Auburn

12. Rodney Ferguson, New Mexico

13. Marcus Thigpen, Indiana

14. Jeremiah Johnson, Oregon

15. Mike Davis, South Carolina

Junior RBs

1. Chris Wells, Ohio State

2. C.J. Spiller, Clemson

3. Keiland Williams, LSU

4. Stafon Johnson, USC

5. P.J. Hill, Wisconsin

6. Mike Goodson, Texas A&M

7. Ben Tate, Auburn

8. LeGarrette Blount, Oregon

9. Javarris James, Miami (FL)

10. Jamelle Eugene, North Carolina State

11. Mikell Simpson, Virginia

12. Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State

13. James Aldridge, Notre Dame

14. Damion Fletcher, Southern Mississippi

15. Jake Sharp, Kansas

Sophomore RBs

1. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

2. LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh

3. DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

4. Terry Grant, Alabama

5. Joe McKnight, USC

Senior WRs

1. Brian Robiskie, Ohio State

2. Demetrius Byrd, LSU

3. Aaron Kelly, Clemson

4. Derrick Williams, Penn State

5. Brandon Gibson, Washington State

6. Jarrett Dillard, Rice

7. Louis Murphy, Florida

8. Patrick Turner, USC

9. Lucas Taylor, Tennessee

10. Mike Thomas, Arizona

11. Greg Carr, FSU

12. Michael Jones, Arizona State

13. Kenny McKinley, South Carolina

14. Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma

15. Brooks Foster, North Carolina

16. Pat White, West Virginia

17. Dante Love, Ball State

18. Deon Butler, Penn State

19. Jaison Williams, Oregon

20. Tiquan Underwood, Rutgers

Junior WRs

1. Darius Heyward-Bey, Maryland

2. Percy Harvin, Florida

3. Brandon Lafell, LSU

4. Vidal Hazleton, USC

5. Kenny Britt, Rutgers

6. Oderick Turner, Pittsburgh

7. Brian Hartline, Ohio State

8. Greg Matthews, Michigan

9. Jeremy Childs, Boise State

10. Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina

11. Eric Decker, Minnesota

12. Preston Parker, FSU

13. Jacoby Ford, Clemson

14. Adron Tennell, Oklahoma

15. Terrance Austin, UCLA

16. Carl Moore, Florida

17. Sam Shields, Miami (FL)

18. Bryan Anderson, Central Michigan

19. Damian Williams, USC

20. Jeff Moturi, UTEP

Sophomore WRs

1. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech

2. Arrelious Benn, Illinois

3. Jeremy Maclin, Missouri

4. Terrance Tolliver, LSU

5. David Ausberry, USC

Senior TEs

1. Travis Beckum, Wisconsin

2. Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State

3. Cornelius Ingram, Florida

4. Chase Coffman, Missouri

5. Ryan Purvis, Boston College

Junior TEs

1. Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma

2. Cody Slate, Marshall

3. Andrew Quarless, Penn State

4. Ed Dickson, Oregon

5. Jeff Cumberland, Illinois

Sophomore TEs

1. Rob Gronkowski, Arizona

2. Mike Ragone, Notre Dame

3. Aaron Hernandez, Florida

Top 2009 draft-eligible prospects

1. RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia**

2. WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech**

3. RB Chris Wells, Ohio State*

4. RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh**

5. WR Darius Heyward-Bey, Maryland*

6. RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma**

7. RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson*

8. RB Keiland Williams, LSU*

9. WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri**

10. RB James Davis, Clemson

* = Junior

** = 3rd year Sophomore
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Just curious, but you have Arrelious Benn listed #2 on sophomore WR's ahead of Maclin, but on your top prospect list Maclin is #9 and Benn isn't on it. Was Benn missed on your bottom list or is Maclin the real #2 under sophomore WR's?
 
gianmarco said:
aposulli said:
updated lists....

Sneak peek at top Senior, Junior, and Sophomore draft prospects (Updated 6/20/08)

Lists are based upon the fantasy upside of players in their best potential situation

Senior QBs

1. Cullen Harper, Clemson

2. Curtis Painter, Purdue

3. Hunter Cantwell, Louisville

4. Todd Boekman, Ohio State

5. Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State

6. Graham Harrell, Texas Tech

7. Todd Brandstater, Fresno State

8. Chase Holbrook, New Mexico

9. Steven McGee, Texas A&M

10. Chase Daniel, Missouri

Junior QBs

1. Matthew Stafford, Georgia

2. Tim Tebow, Florida

3. Nate Davis, Ball State

4. Colt McCoy, Texas

5. Dan Levevour, Central Michigan

6. Mark Sanchez, USC

7. Rusty Smith, FAU

8. Josh Freeman, Kansas State

9. Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State

10. Jonathan Crompton, Tennessee

Sophomore QBs

1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma

2. Jake Locker, Washington

3. Kevin Riley, California

4. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada

5. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas

Senior RBs

1. James Davis, Clemson

2. Arian Foster, Tennessee

3. Marlon Lucky, Nebraska

4. Javon Ringer, Michigan State

5. Keegan Herring, Arizona State

6. Andre Brown, North Carolina State

7. Ian Johnson, Boise State

8. Kory Sheets, Purdue

9. Tyrell Sutton, Northwestern

10. Maurice Wells, Ohio State

11. Brad Lester, Auburn

12. Rodney Ferguson, New Mexico

13. Marcus Thigpen, Indiana

14. Jeremiah Johnson, Oregon

15. Mike Davis, South Carolina

Junior RBs

1. Chris Wells, Ohio State

2. C.J. Spiller, Clemson

3. Keiland Williams, LSU

4. Stafon Johnson, USC

5. P.J. Hill, Wisconsin

6. Mike Goodson, Texas A&M

7. Ben Tate, Auburn

8. LeGarrette Blount, Oregon

9. Javarris James, Miami (FL)

10. Jamelle Eugene, North Carolina State

11. Mikell Simpson, Virginia

12. Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State

13. James Aldridge, Notre Dame

14. Damion Fletcher, Southern Mississippi

15. Jake Sharp, Kansas

Sophomore RBs

1. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia

2. LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh

3. DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma

4. Terry Grant, Alabama

5. Joe McKnight, USC

Senior WRs

1. Brian Robiskie, Ohio State

2. Demetrius Byrd, LSU

3. Aaron Kelly, Clemson

4. Derrick Williams, Penn State

5. Brandon Gibson, Washington State

6. Jarrett Dillard, Rice

7. Louis Murphy, Florida

8. Patrick Turner, USC

9. Lucas Taylor, Tennessee

10. Mike Thomas, Arizona

11. Greg Carr, FSU

12. Michael Jones, Arizona State

13. Kenny McKinley, South Carolina

14. Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma

15. Brooks Foster, North Carolina

16. Pat White, West Virginia

17. Dante Love, Ball State

18. Deon Butler, Penn State

19. Jaison Williams, Oregon

20. Tiquan Underwood, Rutgers

Junior WRs

1. Darius Heyward-Bey, Maryland

2. Percy Harvin, Florida

3. Brandon Lafell, LSU

4. Vidal Hazleton, USC

5. Kenny Britt, Rutgers

6. Oderick Turner, Pittsburgh

7. Brian Hartline, Ohio State

8. Greg Matthews, Michigan

9. Jeremy Childs, Boise State

10. Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina

11. Eric Decker, Minnesota

12. Preston Parker, FSU

13. Jacoby Ford, Clemson

14. Adron Tennell, Oklahoma

15. Terrance Austin, UCLA

16. Carl Moore, Florida

17. Sam Shields, Miami (FL)

18. Bryan Anderson, Central Michigan

19. Damian Williams, USC

20. Jeff Moturi, UTEP

Sophomore WRs

1. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech

2. Arrelious Benn, Illinois

3. Jeremy Maclin, Missouri

4. Terrance Tolliver, LSU

5. David Ausberry, USC

Senior TEs

1. Travis Beckum, Wisconsin

2. Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State

3. Cornelius Ingram, Florida

4. Chase Coffman, Missouri

5. Ryan Purvis, Boston College

Junior TEs

1. Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma

2. Cody Slate, Marshall

3. Andrew Quarless, Penn State

4. Ed Dickson, Oregon

5. Jeff Cumberland, Illinois

Sophomore TEs

1. Rob Gronkowski, Arizona

2. Mike Ragone, Notre Dame

3. Aaron Hernandez, Florida

Top 2009 draft-eligible prospects

1. RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia**

2. WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech**

3. RB Chris Wells, Ohio State*

4. RB LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh**

5. WR Darius Heyward-Bey, Maryland*

6. RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma**

7. RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson*

8. RB Keiland Williams, LSU*

9. WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri**

10. RB James Davis, Clemson

* = Junior

** = 3rd year Sophomore
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Just curious, but you have Arrelious Benn listed #2 on sophomore WR's ahead of Maclin, but on your top prospect list Maclin is #9 and Benn isn't on it. Was Benn missed on your bottom list or is Maclin the real #2 under sophomore WR's?
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Benn isn't eligible for the 2009 draft.
 
EBF said:
Uruk-Hai said:
I was surprised to see Heyward-Bey ranked so high. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but his numbers have been severely held back given how talented I think he is by absolutely horrid QB play at MD the last two years. Actually, "horrid" might be too kind a description......
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If he had better stats, people would be talking about DHB as a potential 5 pick. He has a strong frame and exceptional deep speed. I think he has a very high upside, but he's not as accomplished as some of the other receivers in the pool. He'll likely need a breakout campaign to be a top 10-15 pick, but his physical gifts will have teams very excited. He could definitely surge up the boards and be the WR2 in April.
Anyway, it looks like others see the talent in DHB based on these rankings. I've seen very little of Crabtree other than highlights & reading his eye-popping numbers. How do the two compare to each other & who would you compare each to in the NFL?
Click to expand...
Crabtree is kind of like a hybrid of Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. He has some of Boldin's run-after-the-catch skills and some of Fitzgerald's circus catch and jump ball skills. I see him as can't-miss prospect and I think he would've been the top offensive skill player available in the draft if he had been eligible this year. He's VERY good. Check out the clips:
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Indeed, DHB seems to have all the physical tools. He seems to have a thicker frame than Crabtree as well. Crabtree is clearly more athletic, but will probably run a slower 40 time if I had to guess. He is somewhat lanky, but his burst will allow him to beat press coverage in the NFL without a problem IMO. Both of these guys have tremendous open field instincts.Now the only question is- can they take the pressure and live up to the hype in what will be, undoubtedly, their final season in college.

 
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