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Dynasty WR Rankings - WR#7 (1 Viewer)

Who would you rank as the #7 dynasty WR?

  • Anquan Boldin - 10/3/80

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  • Torry Holt - 6/5/76

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  • TJ Houshmandzadeh - 9/26/77

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  • Chad Johnson - 1/9/78

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  • Brandon Marshall - 3/23/84

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  • Terrell Owens - 12/7/73

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  • Steve Smith - 5/12/79

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These poles are more personality based as opposed to talent or dynasty value ... thats for sure ... no way on gawds good earth is Colston more valuable than Smith or CJ ... yet that's how this plays out ... sucks but it happens all the time!

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Mapmaker said:
These poles are more personality based as opposed to talent or dynasty value ... thats for sure ... no way on gawds good earth is Colston more valuable than Smith or CJ ... yet that's how this plays out ... sucks but it happens all the time! :thumbdown:
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I voted Colston barely over Smith. Key points for me:This is a dynasty and Colston is 4 years youngerBrees and New Orleans is a whole lot better than what Carolina offersSmith can hit the home run with a big year but Colston has been very consistent
 
Marshall is 6 years younger than Chad Johnson and put up nearly identical numbers this year. Steve Smith is 5 year older than Marshall and played great with Delhomme, but Jake is 33.

 
I was thinking about this in the last poll, but maybe we should add Roy Williams to the next one?

 
dmac37 said:
Mapmaker said:
These poles are more personality based as opposed to talent or dynasty value ... thats for sure ... no way on gawds good earth is Colston more valuable than Smith or CJ ... yet that's how this plays out ... sucks but it happens all the time! :thumbup:
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I voted Colston barely over Smith. Key points for me:This is a dynasty and Colston is 4 years youngerBrees and New Orleans is a whole lot better than what Carolina offersSmith can hit the home run with a big year but Colston has been very consistent
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I would take Colston in a hearbeat over CJ, one of the most erratic top WRs there is -- I've had CJ in my dynasty league and the last few years his production fluctuates wildly on a per game basis. I'd take Colston over Smith also, don't understand why that's such a huge deal - he has been nothing short of awesome his first two years in the league and there is no reason to think he won't continue in this offense. No wrong or right, these guys are pretty close in value IMO.
 
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cstu said:
Marshall is 6 years younger than Chad Johnson and put up nearly identical numbers this year. Steve Smith is 5 year older than Marshall and played great with Delhomme, but Jake is 33.
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:confused: :drive: I would take Marshall in a heart beat, in dynasty.
 
Mapmaker said:
no way on gawds good earth is Colston more valuable than Smith or CJ ... yet that's how this plays out ... sucks but it happens all the time!
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disagreed entirely1) CJ isn't the definite #1 on his team. Housh has caught more passes and more TDs in each of the past 2 years, and has almost doubled the # of 10-point games. CJ has a few huge games, then disappears for weeks on end. 2) Smith is awesome, but is with a 33-year old QB relying on Tommy John surgery. Dude is 6 months out, and he is throwing a nerf 20x per day.3) CJ wants out of Cinci. Tough to see where he might end up in a BETTER situation. Palmer throws the ball a lot. Put it this way, there are about 25 teams where he would almost be guaranteed LESS production. Which of those remaining 6 teams where he might improve could he end up?
cstu said:
Marshall is 6 years younger than Chad Johnson and put up nearly identical numbers this year. Steve Smith is 5 year older than Marshall and played great with Delhomme, but Jake is 33.
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ayup. exactly.
KoolKat said:
I would take Marshall in a heart beat, in dynasty.
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I'd take him in a redraft as well. Him and Cutler are going to be nasty next year, just like Colston and Brees have been (and will continue to be)
 
Keep in mind that as a 2nd year wr, Marshall finished 6th in yardage in '07. His biggest issue was td's (fewest among the top 12) with 7 and still finished 9th overall among wr's. TD's are variable through the first 9 games he had 2 td's and over the last 7 games he had 5 td's. IMO, there's a very good chance that his td's increase next year for numerous reasons.

 
I'm not getting this.

Take a look at Steve Smith's last 4 full seasons:

88/1110/7

83/1166/8

87/1002/7

Very consistent. Those seasons are wrapped around a very uncharacteristic 103/1563/12 season.

Is Steve Smith really a 100/1500/12+ kinda guy, or is he more of the 85-90/1100-1200/8-10 kinda guy? I'm betting choice #2.

Brandon Marshall hit 102/1325/7 in his 2nd damn season in the NFL with a 2nd-year QB. Speculating that a WR with a 33-year old QB who is recovering from serious elbow surgery will outperform a guy like Marshall is a bit extreme. I could see in a redraft, but DYNASTY? Or am I not understanding the whole "dynasty" concept? I have nothing but love for Steve Smith, but let's be realistic!

 
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kethnaab said:
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GJ is the pick.
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who's his QB 3 years from now?
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A guy who knows the offense extremely well and has looked lights out when he's got the chance the past couple years.GJ's QB situation is actually one of the great things about him, extremely stable. Favre then Rogers.
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Rogers.the guy who has replaced Favre twice...and been injured...both times.How's a fellow gonna stay healthy for a full 16-game season if he can't stay healthy for a full 4-quarter game?He's looked decent, but remember, he has 1 career TD pass. I wouldn't call that "extremely stable", I'd call that ENORMOUS question mark.Compare/contrast that to the rest of the dynasty WR's, especially Marshall who is playing with a bona fide dynasty QB-star-in-the-making, as well as guys like Colston.No hate for GJ. He ended up being the best value for me in last season's draft, and his upside/ceiling in an ideal situation is DEFINITELY high. But I don't see stability beyond 1 more year of Papa Favre, and I think that's why he's not being mentioned in this league.
 
kethnaab said:
I'm not getting this. Take a look at Steve Smith's last 4 full seasons:88/1110/783/1166/887/1002/7Very consistent. Those seasons are wrapped around a very uncharacteristic 103/1563/12 season. Is Steve Smith really a 100/1500/12+ kinda guy, or is he more of the 85-90/1100-1200/8-10 kinda guy? I'm betting choice #2.Brandon Marshall hit 102/1325/7 in his 2nd damn season in the NFL with a 2nd-year QB. Speculating that a WR with a 33-year old QB who is recovering from serious elbow surgery will outperform a guy like Marshall is a bit extreme. I could see in a redraft, but DYNASTY? Or am I not understanding the whole "dynasty" concept? I have nothing but love for Steve Smith, but let's be realistic!
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88/1110/7 Steve Smith started 11 games that year.83/1166/8 Starts 14 games, and not included is 61/1 rushing for a total of 1227/9 over 14. Top 5ppg.87/1002/7 David Carr at QB.Smith is still young by WR standards, and Carolina has yet to address their backup QB situation. They could very well draft one in RD 1 to groom this year behind Jake, or sign a respectable backup like Kurt Warner, or both!Smith is one of the top 5 offensive talents in the game. He's just coming off of a horrible year in which he went through 4 QBs. Look what Moss did when he got a QB. I am not saying Smith will put up 23 TDs in 08, but a repeat of the 1563/12 season is certainly possible.
 
Kitrick Taylor said:
88/1110/7 Steve Smith started 11 games that year. sure, but he still played in all 16, and it's not like he wasn't their primary target anyway.

83/1166/8 Starts 14 games, and not included is 61/1 rushing for a total of 1227/9 over 14. Top 5ppg. Top 5? How you figure? he was 10th in yards, tied for 10th in receiving TDs. You don't get points in FF for missing games unless you are a young fella who hasn't caught the coach's eye yet (a la Ryan Grant 07)

87/1002/7 David Carr at QB. a good point, but an inaccurate one. 4 of Smith's TDs came with Delhomme starting, as did 271 yards. So 72/731/3 without Delhomme. He also had Vinny starting games 6 through 14. Carr only got appreciable time in 5 games that year. Your point is well-made, however, and kinda proves what I'm trying to say. See below please..

Smith is still young by WR standards, and Carolina has yet to address their backup QB situation. They could very well draft one in RD 1 to groom this year behind Jake, or sign a respectable backup like Kurt Warner, or both!
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Here's the problem some people have with Smith. NO ONE with a clue doubts Smith's ceiling. Put him in a situation with the least bit of stability and a decent QB, and he is a WR1. Take a look at who his QBs were last year. Those are going to be the same peeps (aside from Vinny) who are his QBs this year. Warner probably won't be for sale, and I can't think of any other active, available QBs who have thrown 40 TDs in a season, can you?

That's the problem. Smith's production hinges HEAVILY on an extremely tenuous (At best) QB situation.

When I hear that Delhomme is throwing something other than nerfs, perhaps I'll ease up. :rolleyes:

Kitrick Taylor said:
Smith is one of the top 5 offensive talents in the game. He's just coming off of a horrible year in which he went through 4 QBs. Look what Moss did when he got a QB. I am not saying Smith will put up 23 TDs in 08, but a repeat of the 1563/12 season is certainly possible.
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Smith's not one of the top 5 offensive talents in the game in his situation RIGHT NOW. That's the problem that you're not seeing. Put him on a team with a stable, healthy QB then yeah, that would be nuts and top 5 might be selling him a bit short. I do agree that a repeat of his 05 season is possible, but improbable, and much less probable than Brandon Marshall repeating his 07 success.

EDIT - move Smith to Denver and move Marshall to Carolina, and then Smith moves up into my WR1b tier along with Andre Johnson and Reggie Wayne.

 
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Bump; still Smith with a big lead, but has gotten closer over the course of the day. Will close it tonight and start the next one. Will keep the list the same for now (don't like huge number of choices, and no one has voted other as of yet).

 
This feels about right for Smith to me. It isn't his talent that I doubt...he's as talented as Wayne IMHO. It's the fact that he's shown a propensity to get hurt (While I don't like injury prone tags, he's smallish and it appears to fit him because of his size) AND he has a mess at QB that does not look to be getting resolved any time soon. He does not have much help around him to keep defenses honest either.

 
kethnaab said:
EDIT - move Smith to Denver and move Marshall to Carolina, and then Smith moves up into my WR1b tier along with Andre Johnson and Reggie Wayne.
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I guess that's one of the things that pushes me towards Smith in this contest. Smith in Denver is better than Marshall in Denver, Smith in Carolina is better than Marshall in Carolina.Steve Smith is just the more talented player. Situation ignored, he is just simply more gifted. This probably leads into the "Smith is one of the top 5 offensive talents in the game" comment earlier. Its not that he's one of the top 5 WRs to have on your team, but he's at least close to the top 5 most talented WRs.... think of how scary this guy would be with Brady or Manning throwing to him.

Also, certainly Denver's situation seems better for the near future, but that's the only reason why Marshall is even in this conversation. I'm not saying that's not a worthy reason, but its the only one. Marshall's age and talent on a different team ( Vikings, Fins, Panthers, etc.) and we're not even talking about him.

The problem is that situations change. Maybe Matt Moore is a football powerhouse in hiding. Maybe Javon actually stays and comes back healthy to steal 30 of Marshall's catches. Maybe Carolina goes bankrupt. Maybe Denver blows up. Who knows.

Sure Marshall gets a boost for situation. I'll give him a minor bump for age, but Smith is only 29 in 2008, and so he's likely got enough solid years left that projections that far out are worthless. So that leaves Steve Smith getting a boost for pure ability, and that's the one I personally choose to weight heavier.

 
Been voting Chad the last few polls for a few pretty obvious reasons:

2002 - 69 catches, 1,166 yards

2003 - 90 catches, 1,355 yards

2004 - 95 catches, 1,274 yards

2005 - 97 catches, 1,432 yards

2006 - 87 catches, 1,369 yards

2007 - 93 catches, 1,440 yards

How many WRs in the NFL are good for 90 catches and 1,350 yards every season?

Chad is money in the bank and still only 30 years old.

I've never understood the Steve Smith fascination. I know he's had some injury and supporting cast issues, but he hasn't been consistent enough to be considered an elite dynasty WR.

 
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EBF said:
Been voting Chad the last few polls for a few pretty obvious reasons:2002 - 69 catches, 1,166 yards2003 - 90 catches, 1,355 yards2004 - 95 catches, 1,274 yards2005 - 97 catches, 1,432 yards2006 - 87 catches, 1,369 yards2007 - 93 catches, 1,440 yardsHow many WRs in the NFL are good for 90 catches and 1,350 yards every season?Chad is money in the bank and still only 30 years old. I've never understood the Steve Smith fascination. I know he's had some injury and supporting cast issues, but he hasn't been consistent enough to be considered an elite dynasty WR.
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No doubt CJ is as consistent as they get year to year. However, when it comes to game to game consistency, i dont think there has been anyone better over the last few years than Steve Smith when Delhomme is in at QB.
 
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