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You should have made this trade already....do it before the other team figures out what a mistake they are making. Big Ben had a huge year and Hines Ward was hurt for a while and Heath was still no better than a second tier TE 7-10. Arians system doesn't seem to favor large target #'s to the TE's.....and he rotates his TE's frequently. Rice is 21 and has top 5 WR upside. (Only concern are the Fitz to Minny rumors).
R you kidding? This guy is going to be one of the best Wr's in the game(or so the thread says)....you have to do the trade.
NO!!Man, I hate this thread. I just started negotiating for him this morning.
Most people consider him one of the top 5-6 rookies from his class. It's unlikely that you'll do any better at 1.10.
Can you unpack that a little bit? What are the similarities you see?
Can you say hyperbole?
Burress isn't the right comparison. If you can remember this far back....he is more of an Al Toon.
I think that they have similar playing styles, I think the type of stats youll see from Rice are about what Burress has put up. I think Rice will be primarily a red zone threat.Look at Burress' numbers, it took him quite a while to get there, plus you have to wait for a passer on top of it all, personally I think there's more appealing options out there with quicker returns and a higher ceiling around the same price tag like Anthony Gonzalez.
I think I might do that actually. You can probably get a good RB there.
You're tired of waiting for potential so you moved him for a rookie pick? I don't get it.
A rookie pick is a commodity. I feel the value of the 1.08 is higher than the value of Sydney Rice. Sydney is not likely to start for me in the next season or two. The TE I may recieve for trading the 1.08 will.You're tired of waiting for potential so you moved him for a rookie pick? I don't get it.
What TE are you after?A rookie pick is a commodity. I feel the value of the 1.08 is higher than the value of Sydney Rice. Sydney is not likely to start for me in the next season or two. The TE I may recieve for trading the 1.08 will.You're tired of waiting for potential so you moved him for a rookie pick? I don't get it.
Whoa! Are you his agent or something?
I don't know for sure that I'd trade him for a TE. I'd think that the 1.08 would net someone in the TE 7-10 range. The other benefit of moving a player for a pick is that it opens up roster space. I can use the 1.08 to pair with my own 1st to move up, or use it to pick up a veteran. Depending on how the QB's fall in the draft, the 1.08 may be a sweet spot for picking up a stud gunslinger.What TE are you after?A rookie pick is a commodity. I feel the value of the 1.08 is higher than the value of Sydney Rice. Sydney is not likely to start for me in the next season or two. The TE I may recieve for trading the 1.08 will.You're tired of waiting for potential so you moved him for a rookie pick? I don't get it.
There are many, many examples of a RB/WR duos in FF. This is one:'05 NYG Barber, 1860/9 TDs rushing + 54/530/2 rec.'05 NYG Burress, 76/1214/7
Please tell me you are not predicting 1200+ yds and 7+TDs for Rice in the current offense in MIN. I don't doubt Rice's talent, it's the offense and QB from a WR's perspective that I doubt.
Did I predict that? No, although, I think he has potential to be outstanding and go even beyond that level. You claimed that AP will drag his stats down but there are situations that show that RBs don't necessarily do that. The offensive philosophy and QB are another story. It remains to be seen how much those will hold him back, but I think it's safe to say he has more than 'minimal value'.Please tell me you are not predicting 1200+ yds and 7+TDs for Rice in the current offense in MIN. I don't doubt Rice's talent, it's the offense and QB from a WR's perspective that I doubt.
You would have to be in a 16 team league requiring 3 starting WRs to have him in your line-up consistently. Even then you know you'd be getting some 0's occasionally. Again, I like Rice's talent. I just don't think he's going to have a chance to regularly use it in MIN, and therefore his value is not that high IMO. I'll certainly grab him as a #5WR in my 10 man league if he is available late. What is his contract status in MIN? How many years left? I'd like to see him go to somewhere with a better QB situation after MIN, unless MIN decides to make a move at QB before Rice is gone. Either way it is fun to watch him when he gets the ball, though rarely.Did I predict that? No, although, I think he has potential to be outstanding and go even beyond that level. You claimed that AP will drag his stats down but there are situations that show that RBs don't necessarily do that. The offensive philosophy and QB are another story. That remains to be seen if it will really affect him, but I think it's safe to say he has more than 'minimal value'.Please tell me you are not predicting 1200+ yds and 7+TDs for Rice in the current offense in MIN. I don't doubt Rice's talent, it's the offense and QB from a WR's perspective that I doubt.
Although I think that Rice has a bit more downfield speed than people give him credit for.
When these guys talk, I listen.He's not a burner but he has good hands and great body control.
Are you talking about redraft? I get the feeling everyone else in here is talking about dynasty/keeper valuation of Rice.
I didn't see anything about dynasty/keeper in the OP's message. If that is the case then yes of course you want him because either MIN will eventually get a passing QB or Rice's contract with them will run out and he'll hopefully land in a better situation. Right now though his prospects as a contributing WR for your FF team are quite slim.
I agree. I'm not sure how good he'll be but you have to have opportunity. Jackson is terrible and they have the rookie of the year at RB along with potentially the top backup RB in the game. They are a team who's strength is their running game and defense.What kind of numbers are people expecting from this guy next year? If you had to ask me if he was going to get 1000 yards I'd say NO. If we're not talking about a guy who can get you 1000 yards then he's not very valuable.
FunkyPlutos said:
Rice doesnt have track speed, but he has good enough pad speed. He's much more agile than Key and is one of the sickest leapers in the NFL. Key was also way more physical. Rice is not going to push anyone around or block them out, he's just going sky and contort his body in a way that you can't stop him from making the catch unless you mug him on the way up in his leap. Rice is going to be one of the great high wire/trapeze act type WRs in the league. If he becomes a solid route runner that can go over the middle and make some things happen after the catch, he could be special. He's got exceptional ups, body control, and that "my ball" mentality that is the difference between the good and great WRs. He's the 2nd best reason to watch the Vikes on any given Sunday, and some days, he'll be the best.
What do you think his upside is for next 2-3 seasons? Think he can have a Baby TO 08'? I dont think the situation is right for him, and I think you wait a year on the buy let someone else roster him, invest your money instead in AGonzoJR or even Mark Clayton and then come back to rice in a year or three.FunkyPlutos said:Although I think that Rice has a bit more downfield speed than people give him credit for.
I wouldn't expect more than about 800/6 next season. After that there's no way of telling.Bloom, can we say that Rice's game might be Randy Moss-esqe? I'm not saying he's as good as Moss, obviously, but his game resembles the enigmantic one, no?What do you think his upside is for next 2-3 seasons? Think he can have a Baby TO 08'? I dont think the situation is right for him, and I think you wait a year on the buy let someone else roster him, invest your money instead in AGonzoJR or even Mark Clayton and then come back to rice in a year or three.FunkyPlutos said:Although I think that Rice has a bit more downfield speed than people give him credit for.
Rice doesnt have track speed, but he has good enough pad speed. He's much more agile than Key and is one of the sickest leapers in the NFL. Key was also way more physical. Rice is not going to push anyone around or block them out, he's just going sky and contort his body in a way that you can't stop him from making the catch unless you mug him on the way up in his leap. Rice is going to be one of the great high wire/trapeze act type WRs in the league. If he becomes a solid route runner that can go over the middle and make some things happen after the catch, he could be special. He's got exceptional ups, body control, and that "my ball" mentality that is the difference between the good and great WRs.
He's the 2nd best reason to watch the Vikes on any given Sunday, and some days, he'll be the best.
