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[Dynasty] - RB #12 (1 Viewer)

Who would you draft as the #12 RB, standard FBG scoring

  • Willis McGahee BAL 10/21/1981

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  • Reggie Bush NO 3/2/1985

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  • Willie Parker PIT 11/11/1980

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  • Ronnie Brown MIA 12/12/1981

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  • Ryan Grant GB 12/9/1982

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  • Laurence Maroney NE 2/5/1985

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  • Darren McFadden ??? 8/27/1987

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  • Michael Turner SD? 2/13/1982

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  • Jonathan Stewart ??? 3/21/1987

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  • Rashard Mendenhall ??? 6/21/1987

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  • Earnest Graham TBB 1/15/1980

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  • Other - WHO?

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I would love to hear from the Ronnie Brown supporters. I asked this in the other thread with no response, but Ill try once more: Any word on his knee? I havent followed his situatino much since he went down. I know he was having a career year last year before he got hurt, but wasnt his knee injury pretty serious? This is a guy that is hurt quite a bit and with the exception of the beginning of last year he hadnt really shown much fantasy wise. Is there reason to believe he bounces back from that injury, continues where he left off on a career year and stays healthy all next season and beyond?

 
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
And this is non-prr so Reggie doesn't get all those reception points.
Bush is the perfect example of the difference in PPR and non-PPR. In PPR, he's possibly a top 5 pick, in non-PPR he's not even top 15, he produces 80 y/g and .5 td/g - about the same as LenDale White; FWIW they had the same y/c as well.If anyone cares, I voted McFadden, purely for upside, but strongly considered McGahee as well.
 
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Laurence Maroney has shown flashes of what he could do if given a lead role. I'd say his upside is very good, and having just turned 23, looks like the right choice here.

 
McGahee and Parker have the best resumes of the remaining RBs in the poll, and both are #1 primary backs on their respective teams.

McGahee is the safer choice, and Parker is the 'swing for the fences' guy capable of top 3-5 production if touchdowns come his way (16TDs in '06).

I ended up going with Parker because he has a higher ceiling IMO, but in all fairness McGahee has outscored him in two of the last three seasons and has two top ten finishes to Fast Willie's one.

 
Laurence Maroney has shown flashes of what he could do if given a lead role. I'd say his upside is very good, and having just turned 23, looks like the right choice here.
Maroney has been fortunate to land in a great situation on one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL. When he and Addai came into the league together in 2006, many of us (myself included) believed that Maroney would probably be the better long term dynasty RB. Yet unlike Joseph Addai, Maroney has failed to capitalize on his great NFL situation.Addai racked up RB1 numbers from year one (as half of RBBC with Dominic Rhodes), but Maroney was unequal to the task while sharing duties with the physically deteriorating 32 year old Corey Dillon (Dillon was only able to start 10 games in '05 and 13 games in '06 due to injuries). By 2007 Dillon was gone from the patriots, but Maroney who had already shown signs of being rather fragile himself, was only able to start 6 regular season games and finished little better than his rookie year as fantasy RB #25. Meanwhile Addai was busy finishing as a top 5 fantasy RB in his sophomore season.I won't label Maroney a total bust, but he's been in a golden opportunity and still has been unable to take advantage thus far. He really has to show us a lot more than just RB3 production while playing on an offensive juggernaut like the pats. He also needs to stay healthy enough to rack up 250 or so carries before I can consider him anything more than a lower end RB2 with decent upside for dynasty purposes.I guess I might take him ahead of Ronnie Brown, but that's not really saying much at this point.
 
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I would love to hear from the Ronnie Brown supporters. I asked this in the other thread with no response, but Ill try once more: Any word on his knee? I havent followed his situatino much since he went down. I know he was having a career year last year before he got hurt, but wasnt his knee injury pretty serious? This is a guy that is hurt quite a bit and with the exception of the beginning of last year he hadnt really shown much fantasy wise. Is there reason to believe he bounces back from that injury, continues where he left off on a career year and stays healthy all next season and beyond?
He tore his ACL - RBs can come back with that, it's not a career threatening injury by any means, though it often takes 2 years to be fully healthy. I do think the recovery period is becoming shorter - Deuce tore his ACL and came back the next season with 1000+ yds and double digit TDs.If Ronnie Brown gets healthy by midseason next year I think he'll be a horse. Whether he can stay healthy, who knows... I'm not writing him off yet.
 
I agree Brown and Maroney, shouldn't be considered here.

This is one of the great paradox in fantasy football dynasty rankings.

People like to vote for youth, people also like to vote for what have you done for me lately.

Maroney had a great post-season play, but a horrific regular season; comparably.

Brown tore his ACL, yet left the game at a high level.

Both players are young, but neither are going to be great production in 2008, thus lowering their overall outlook going forward.

New England will go back to their successful elements, have a healthy Sammy Morris who took more away from Maroney than Kevin Faulk did, and Faulk even played well.

Miami is still going to suck, is likely going still suck. Let me ask if you were Ronnie Brown, would you really be all that excited to come back and run behind that team earlier rather than later? If I was him, I'd rather make sure the team pampers me, and come back at my own time. But hey, I am sure 98% of the league football players are not self-center, or carter to an ego. No way not in this league.

Besides taking 1 of those players and hoping for a breakout into next season is like second choice behind Bush or McFadden breakout and they are still on the board.

I agree with the above poster that a more conservative choice and production results leads one to pick McGahee or Parker. I personally went with Bush on the sheer fact if he does break out his value expotentially grows from a re-emergence of hype.

If in 2008 all the following players had 1200 yards and 12 tds, who would you rank as #1?

Bush

McFadden

Maroney

Brown

Parker

McGahee

I am sure the majority would choose McFadden, followed by a close second to Bush.

Just my O.

 
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Laurence Maroney has shown flashes of what he could do if given a lead role. I'd say his upside is very good, and having just turned 23, looks like the right choice here.
Maroney has been fortunate to land in a great situation on one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL. When he and Addai came into the league together in 2006, many of us (myself included) believed that Maroney would probably be the better long term dynasty RB. Yet unlike Joseph Addai, Maroney has failed to capitalize on his great NFL situation.Addai racked up RB1 numbers from year one (as half of RBBC with Dominic Rhodes), but Maroney was unequal to the task while sharing duties with the physically deteriorating 32 year old Corey Dillon (Dillon was only able to start 10 games in '05 and 13 games in '06 due to injuries). By 2007 Dillon was gone from the patriots, but Maroney who had already shown signs of being rather fragile himself, was only able to start 6 regular season games and finished little better than his rookie year as fantasy RB #25. Meanwhile Addai was busy finishing as a top 5 fantasy RB in his sophomore season.I won't label Maroney a total bust, but he's been in a golden opportunity and still has been unable to take advantage thus far. He really has to show us a lot more than just RB3 production while playing on an offensive juggernaut like the pats. He also needs to stay healthy enough to rack up 250 or so carries before I can consider him anything more than a lower end RB2 with decent upside for dynasty purposes.I guess I might take him ahead of Ronnie Brown, but that's not really saying much at this point.
Maroney has landed in a high powered offense, true. That offense wouldn't have produced RB1 type numbers this year without a Westbrook/Bush type of RB. I see this offense shifting back toward a more convention balance, and Maroney being a 280+ carry back next year. Because the Pats are not forthcoming with injury information, its speculation, but it played out as if Maroney was not fully healed from his shoulder early, and what we saw in the final 6 weeks was a demo of what Maroney can be. IF he can stay healthy, I like his chances in a non PPR over any of the others to produce at a high level for several years.
 
Well the silver lining in this thread is that if you are an owner of Ronnie "I've never finished better than RB#23 in three seasons" Brown, or Laurence "my claim to fame is I finished as RB #25 for the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL" Maroney, then you can probably still trade them while they are still so overvalued and get proven studs like McGahee or Parker, or if you are infatuated with youth get a top rookie RB. Heck some of these guys have been voting Maroney and Brown since the top 10 polls, so you might get even more in trade for these over rated injury prone RB3s.

 
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
I completely agree with this.I am the sole vote for Earnest Graham. I think he represents great value in next year's draft. I believe what I saw last year and think he'll easily finish in the top 10 at RB.
 
Well the silver lining in this thread is that if you are an owner of Ronnie "I've never finished better than RB#23 in three seasons" Brown, or Laurence "my claim to fame is I finished as RB #25 for the highest scoring offense in the history of the NFL" Maroney, then you can probably still trade them while they are still so overvalued and get proven studs like McGahee or Parker, or if you are infatuated with youth get a top rookie RB. Heck some of these guys have been voting Maroney and Brown since the top 10 polls, so you might get even more in trade for these over rated injury prone RB3s.
I also agree with this..... I couldn't argue with McGahee or Parker here but I don't know how Ronnie Brown who's never done much of anything consistently is ranked so highly. I think it's possible that he rebounds and has a good year but I wouldn't rank him No. 11. I think this is a very risky pick at 11 and not much upside to it and I could see somoene picking this guy at 11 and being very disappointed in the future..The "safest" pick at this selection is probably McGahee because of the Parker injury but I still think Graham will outproduce him, especially in a PPr league, most definately in a PPr league.
 
People like to vote for youth, people also like to vote for what have you done for me lately.
:2cents: as long as that's also how they draft, what's the issue?
I think people like to vote for who is on thier dynasty roster.
alot of this goes on imo, I'm not buying that ronnie brown would be a second round pick at this point.
Well, I am not currently involved in a dynasty league and I can tell you if I woudln't be targeting Brown. When I think of him, I think of disappointment...for whatever the reason.
 
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I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
:2cents:Not higher than the guy who has never played a down in the NFL and who we don't even know where he'll play, much less in what scheme or with what RB's (if any) that will compete with him for carries? People are out of their gourds when it comes to rookies versus vets. :shrug:
 
I would love to hear from the Ronnie Brown supporters. I asked this in the other thread with no response, but Ill try once more: Any word on his knee? I havent followed his situatino much since he went down. I know he was having a career year last year before he got hurt, but wasnt his knee injury pretty serious? This is a guy that is hurt quite a bit and with the exception of the beginning of last year he hadnt really shown much fantasy wise. Is there reason to believe he bounces back from that injury, continues where he left off on a career year and stays healthy all next season and beyond?
Running backs get hurt all the time and so a knee injury when you are talking about dynasty is not a concern to me. He has the ability to be the #1 running back in fantasy, especially now that a real general manager is running the Finns. I expect the finns offensive line and QB to improve radically over the next few years and that can only be good for the future of Ronnie Brown.
 
I would love to hear from the Ronnie Brown supporters. I asked this in the other thread with no response, but Ill try once more: Any word on his knee? I havent followed his situatino much since he went down. I know he was having a career year last year before he got hurt, but wasnt his knee injury pretty serious? This is a guy that is hurt quite a bit and with the exception of the beginning of last year he hadnt really shown much fantasy wise. Is there reason to believe he bounces back from that injury, continues where he left off on a career year and stays healthy all next season and beyond?
Running backs get hurt all the time and so a knee injury when you are talking about dynasty is not a concern to me. He has the ability to be the #1 running back in fantasy, especially now that a real general manager is running the Finns. I expect the finns offensive line and QB to improve radically over the next few years and that can only be good for the future of Ronnie Brown.
I think that power backs are less affected when returning from ACLs (Deuce). I don't consider Brown a power back, but more of a finesse guy. Just my opinion.
 
redman said:
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
:lmao:Not higher than the guy who has never played a down in the NFL and who we don't even know where he'll play, much less in what scheme or with what RB's (if any) that will compete with him for carries? People are out of their gourds when it comes to rookies versus vets. :loco:
What has Bush, Brown and Maroney proven?!?!?! That they are veterans, and they have all been big disapointments? Yeah, Mcfadden hasnt proven anything in the NFL, but better to have proven nothing, than prove that you are not very good.
 
I own McGahee in a dynasty league, and there isn't a guy on that list who I'd trade him for. Really, there's no one who would really make me even think about it aside from Maroney, and Maroney is just too risky.

McGahee's still pretty young, the focal point of an offense, and just finished a very strong year. He's the choice.

 
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
And 'we' know this because.....'we' are all Nostradamus reincarnate......Raise your hand if you thought Tiki Barber and Brian Westbrook would be feature backs after 1 or 2 seasons in the league.......That's right, you nor I nor we....DON'T KNOW!

Besides, I don't believe the definition of what is a full-time RB is appropriately outlined. Last time I checked, in the games that he played this year (with or w/o McAllister), Reggie Bush was on the field for as many plays as most other RBs in the league, and I certainly believe that he is a "feature RB"....... If this is non-PPR, then yes, his value goes down, but so does Westbrook's

 
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
And 'we' know this because.....'we' are all Nostradamus reincarnate......Raise your hand if you thought Tiki Barber and Brian Westbrook would be feature backs after 1 or 2 seasons in the league.......That's right, you nor I nor we....DON'T KNOW!

Besides, I don't believe the definition of what is a full-time RB is appropriately outlined. Last time I checked, in the games that he played this year (with or w/o McAllister), Reggie Bush was on the field for as many plays as most other RBs in the league, and I certainly believe that he is a "feature RB"....... If this is non-PPR, then yes, his value goes down, but so does Westbrook's
Yes, the polls are based on non-PPR leagues. If you think Bush is going to be as good as Westbrook or Barber, more power to you. I didnt see anything in his running ability last year to make me think he will be nearly as good a runner as either of them.

 
redman said:
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
:shrug:Not higher than the guy who has never played a down in the NFL and who we don't even know where he'll play, much less in what scheme or with what RB's (if any) that will compete with him for carries? People are out of their gourds when it comes to rookies versus vets. :2cents:
What has Bush, Brown and Maroney proven?!?!?! That they are veterans, and they have all been big disapointments? Yeah, Mcfadden hasnt proven anything in the NFL, but better to have proven nothing, than prove that you are not very good.
Two of those guys have played only two years and have established themselves as solid fantasy starters, if not RB1's, and the third was lighting the fantasy world on fire before he went down to a knee injury. Yeah, I'd take any of those three over McFadden, and I'd not think twice about it. Do you realize that there's a serious discussion going on right now in the SP about whether McFadden should even be in the top four rookie RB's? Whether it's McFadden or anyone else, you're drafting based upon hope, not based upon anything you can actually point to about the 1.1 pick.
 
geoff8695 said:
Maroney and Ronnie Brown leading this poll? :shrug:
Yeah, would you guys who are voting for them really trade the 1.1 for either one of them?
Nope, because you can get more for the 1.1 than this. You'd be leaving value on the table in that trade.
All that proves is that the world is filled with fools, not that the objective value of the 1.1 is worth more than these guys.
 
geoff8695 said:
Maroney and Ronnie Brown leading this poll? :confused:
Yeah, would you guys who are voting for them really trade the 1.1 for either one of them?
Nope, because you can get more for the 1.1 than this. You'd be leaving value on the table in that trade.
All that proves is that the world is filled with fools, not that the objective value of the 1.1 is worth more than these guys.
No disagreement there. Maybe I should have made it "perceived value"
 
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
And 'we' know this because.....'we' are all Nostradamus reincarnate......Raise your hand if you thought Tiki Barber and Brian Westbrook would be feature backs after 1 or 2 seasons in the league.......That's right, you nor I nor we....DON'T KNOW!

Besides, I don't believe the definition of what is a full-time RB is appropriately outlined. Last time I checked, in the games that he played this year (with or w/o McAllister), Reggie Bush was on the field for as many plays as most other RBs in the league, and I certainly believe that he is a "feature RB"....... If this is non-PPR, then yes, his value goes down, but so does Westbrook's
Yes, the polls are based on non-PPR leagues. If you think Bush is going to be as good as Westbrook or Barber, more power to you. I didnt see anything in his running ability last year to make me think he will be nearly as good a runner as either of them.
Well, let the numbers tell the story........I certainly didn't believe that Barber or Westbrook would be a feature/full-time, or whatever you want to call it, RB after these first few yearsBarber (1st 3 seasons - att, yds, ypg, ypc, TDs)

136 511 42.6 3.8 3

52 166 10.4 3.2 0

62 258 16.1 4.2 0

Westbrook (1st 3 seasons - att, yds, ypg, ypc, TDs)

46 193 12.9 4.2 0

117 613 40.9 5.2 7

177 812 62.5 4.6 3

Bush (1st 2 seasons - att, yds, ypg, ypc, TDs)

155 565 35.3 3.6 6

157 581 48.4 3.7 4

Any conclusions made after just 2 seasons are poor estimates, IMO.......PPR or non-PPR, it's too early to tell where Bush will wind up.....but one thing that is for certain, his upside is not limited. He will get every opportunity to thrive, so it's up to him to take advantage of it.....Personally, I would NOT bet against him greatly succeeding and at least matching what these other guys have been able to accomplish

 
redman said:
I voted Reggie Bush. His upside is higher than anyone else on this list. That, and he's 22.
Not higher than Mcfaddens, and he is only 20. We alredy know Bush will nevr be a full time back, so his upside is limited.
:lmao: Not higher than the guy who has never played a down in the NFL and who we don't even know where he'll play, much less in what scheme or with what RB's (if any) that will compete with him for carries?

People are out of their gourds when it comes to rookies versus vets. :loco:
What has Bush, Brown and Maroney proven?!?!?! That they are veterans, and they have all been big disapointments? Yeah, Mcfadden hasnt proven anything in the NFL, but better to have proven nothing, than prove that you are not very good.
Two of those guys have played only two years and have established themselves as solid fantasy starters, if not RB1's, and the third was lighting the fantasy world on fire before he went down to a knee injury. Yeah, I'd take any of those three over McFadden, and I'd not think twice about it. Do you realize that there's a serious discussion going on right now in the SP about whether McFadden should even be in the top four rookie RB's? Whether it's McFadden or anyone else, you're drafting based upon hope, not based upon anything you can actually point to about the 1.1 pick.
Two of those guys have played only two years and have established themselves as solid fantasy starters, if not RB1's, and the third was lighting the fantasy world on fire before he went down to a knee injury. Yeah, I'd take any of those three over McFadden, and I'd not think twice about it.
Maroney established himself as a solid fantasy starter? :thumbup:

Ronnie Brown is coming off a torn ACL, will turn 27 during the season, is on the worse team in football, and has never finished in the top 20 for RB's. Call me crazy, but i will take a chance on a guy who is likely a top 10 pick.

Do you realize that there's a serious discussion going on right now in the SP about whether McFadden should even be in the top four rookie RB's?
:lmao: Are you talking about the thread where one guy mentioned he has Ray Rice ranked higher than Mcfadden? The same guy who thought Mcfadden played for Oklahoma? Sounds like some pretty "serious discussion" to me.

Whether it's McFadden or anyone else, you're drafting based upon hope, not based upon anything you can actually point to about the 1.1 pick.
So are you by taking Brown, Bush or Maroney, unless you are content with finishes outside the top 20 RB's.
 
I own McGahee in a dynasty league, and there isn't a guy on that list who I'd trade him for. Really, there's no one who would really make me even think about it aside from Maroney, and Maroney is just too risky.McGahee's still pretty young, the focal point of an offense, and just finished a very strong year. He's the choice.
:goodposting: I don't own McGahee in a dynasty format, but I tend to agree with your statement.
 
I don't see how you could draft any of the rookies (and I would submit that the top rookies are very close talentwise, and that F Jones must be included in the top rookies at this point) above guys like McGahee and Parker, who are at the top of this group IMO.

My next tier would be Bush, Graham, and Grant in no particular order; followed by Maroney and everyone else.

I think the 4 rookies most appropriately fit in the group including Maroney, R Brown, and Turner the burner, because there are more question marks here with regard to either talent or situation. Just my 2 cents.

 
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I do not own Reggie Bush in any leagues but I'd select him here. He still has a lot of room to grow on the NFL level and his downside risk is minimal. That can't be said about a majority of the remaining options.

 
Willis McGahee BAL 10/21/1981 [ 31 ] ** [18.45%]

Reggie Bush NO 3/2/1985 [ 31 ] ** [18.45%]

Ronnie Brown MIA 12/12/1981 [ 31 ] ** [18.45%]

:thumbup:

 
trader jake said:
I do not own Reggie Bush in any leagues but I'd select him here. He still has a lot of room to grow on the NFL level and his downside risk is minimal. That can't be said about a majority of the remaining options.
Don't see a lot of downside risk in Parker....who was a clear choice to me. Surprised how close this one is.
 
trader jake said:
I do not own Reggie Bush in any leagues but I'd select him here. He still has a lot of room to grow on the NFL level and his downside risk is minimal. That can't be said about a majority of the remaining options.
Don't see a lot of downside risk in Parker....who was a clear choice to me. Surprised how close this one is.
- Injury risk- Lack of goal-line touches- Possibility that another RB splits carries- Team more of a passing offense?Wait, am I talking about Willie Parker or Reggie Bush? :shrug:
 
calling this a 3-way tie.

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)
So, 12a, 12b, 12c. Next round will be 15. Willis McGahee BAL 10/21/1981 [ 34 ] ** [17.53%]Reggie Bush NO 3/2/1985 [ 36 ] ** [18.56%]Willie Parker PIT 11/11/1980 [ 25 ] ** [12.89%]Ronnie Brown MIA 12/12/1981 [ 35 ] ** [18.04%]Ryan Grant GB 12/9/1982 [ 14 ] ** [7.22%]Laurence Maroney NE 2/5/1985 [ 23 ] ** [11.86%]Darren McFadden ??? 8/27/1987 [ 18 ] ** [9.28%]Michael Turner SD? 2/13/1982 [ 3 ] ** [1.55%]Jonathan Stewart ??? 3/21/1987 [ 2 ] ** [1.03%]Rashard Mendenhall ??? 6/21/1987 [ 2 ] ** [1.03%]Earnest Graham TBB 1/15/1980 [ 2 ] ** [1.03%]Other - WHO? [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
 

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