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BROWNS 2008 THREAD: thanks for the memories. (1 Viewer)
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amnesiac
beer is good
for my first prediction, i want to address the QB situation.
my feeling is a deal for DA is going to get done, and Quinn will be the 08 starter.
the Browns will finish in the 9-7 / 10-6 range, and will narrowly make the playoffs winning a tiebreaker for the AFC North title.
the offense falls back to earth a bit, but the defense improves to a slightly above average unit.
and let's see... Josh Cribbs, already the kick and punt returner, as well as the leading special teams tackler, also gets on the field for a couple of trick plays and throws for a pair of touchdowns.
that should get things started.
my feeling is a deal for DA is going to get done, and Quinn will be the 08 starter.
the Browns will finish in the 9-7 / 10-6 range, and will narrowly make the playoffs winning a tiebreaker for the AFC North title.
the offense falls back to earth a bit, but the defense improves to a slightly above average unit.
and let's see... Josh Cribbs, already the kick and punt returner, as well as the leading special teams tackler, also gets on the field for a couple of trick plays and throws for a pair of touchdowns.
that should get things started.
wadegarrett
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Who will be running the ball? Hopefully they re-sign Jamal, otherwise another free agent or a draft pick.
The defense (line) needs an upgrade, and need another lb that can get after the quarterback consistently.
Much tougher schedule in 2008, but should still see 8-10 wins. It's really too early to predict a record though.
The defense (line) needs an upgrade, and need another lb that can get after the quarterback consistently.
Much tougher schedule in 2008, but should still see 8-10 wins. It's really too early to predict a record though.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Last I heard a J Lew deal is likely to be completed before free agency begins, apparently the contract length barrier is being broken down as "reasonable" incentives will be added to the 3rd and 4th years of the deal, this will protect the Browns from a significant injury/decline but also will almost certainly assure J Lew of his payout if he stays effective and healthy.I won't project what we'll do in the draft until after free agency. I'd like to see some combo of Mike Doss, Bryant Johnson, Corey Williams, Calvin Pace, and Kawika Mitchell at least pursued come March...a Calvin Pace/Corey Williams combo would be ideal.All that and a draft day deal sending DA packing for a 1st and a 3rd (or a player).
siawnhy
Footballguy
AgreedI keep having this feeling that DA will go to Miami for Jason Taylor and a 2nd... I can dream can't I?
If they can't resign Lewis to a cap-friendly deal (and aybe even if they can), I think a likely choice will be Musa Smith. The Browns have been going after Raven RBs for years now. Remember, they made an offer to Chester Taylor a few years back when he was a restricted free agent. Then they signed Lewis. Now that Musa is available, I think they may try to get him as well. I don't expect Musa to command alot of dollars in free agency, and I think he is a good fit for the Browns system.As for the rest of free agency and the draft, I fullly expect that they will concentrate on defense, defense, defense.
Banger
Footballguy
If they can't work something out with Lewis (which I think they will since it makes sense for both parties), I think they should go after Foster, Rhodes, JJ, etc. before Musa. Musa can't stay healthy and when he does he's not that good. Lewis>>Taylor>>Musa.
amnesiac
beer is good
my feeling is that Jamal will resign in Cleveland, i don't see another team coming in to drive up the demand for him.
it sounds like Cleveland has a 2 year deal on the table, but his agents are trying to get him a 3 year deal. i don't remember where exactly i read it, but right after the season, Jamal basically made the comment that he wanted a long term deal from the Browns, but he'd even be willing to take it year by year if it came down to that.
there has also been some talk of making it a 3 year deal with the 3rd year basically an incentive-driven year.
it sounds like Cleveland has a 2 year deal on the table, but his agents are trying to get him a 3 year deal. i don't remember where exactly i read it, but right after the season, Jamal basically made the comment that he wanted a long term deal from the Browns, but he'd even be willing to take it year by year if it came down to that.
there has also been some talk of making it a 3 year deal with the 3rd year basically an incentive-driven year.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
No schocker, we're looking at front seven defenders in the draft. From the official site go to the link for the full article, some highlights and one in particular that might be of interest.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8147
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8147
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I guess we can scratch Corey Williams off the list. He's been Ftagged.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yup, unfortunate too. I think that increases the likelihood of us snagging Calvin Pace though. My attention's being deverted to Randy Starks and Tommy Kelly now for DL help. Just going to need to look elsewhere for DL options.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
wadegarrett
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Bobcat10 said:
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
I don't see how we improven the defense? No first round pick and very little on the free agent market could mean another long year for the D next year. That is kind of why I wouldn't mind trading DA if we could get alot for him (which I doubt).
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I disagree. Braylon, Joe, Vicius, and a RB are on the field at all times. That leaves one other position needed to fill. Sometimes it's Vickers, other times it's Heiden, there aren't enough other plays to justify getting J Walk and stuffing him in there...and he won't see enough balls either. I'd really like to make a play for a Bryant Johnson type who we can use in the slot and at times at #2 for now with plans on moving him to the #2 full time in the near future, assuming Vicius is retiring as rumors have led me to believe.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I'd prefer Javon Walker over Bryant Johnson. Either way we need to get another WR. Plus, injuries are tough to predict so depth is always good.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It's not the player, it's the pricetag and the player expectations, J Walk > Johnson on the field. Problem is J Walk will demand an expensive contract whereas I think Johnson could be purchased relatively inexpensively. That, and J Walk has a history of being a bit of a distraction and thinks he's still a #1 in the league [not saying he can't be, but he wouldn't be "the guy" in Cleveland] whereas Johnson's used to being a #3. He wants to be at least a #2 and we can offer that opportunity, if not this year then next, in an explosive offense.
PatrickT
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I can't fathom what it could be possibly be. The Falcons are trying to stock pile draft picks, not give them up, which is what they'd have to do in order to land Quinn. If they're able to deal Hall for the Giants' 1st rounder I could see the Browns doing the deal for -the 1st rounder acquired from New York + the Falcons' 2nd rounder
-the Falcons' #3 pick
-the 1st rounder acquired from the Giants + the Falcons' 2nd rounder in 09 + a 2nd day pick in 08
-both Falcons 2nd rounder's, including the one from Houston + a 2nd rounder in 09
Or something else along those lines. I may even be on the low-end of what the Browns would consider. There's a cap hit to consider as well so Quinn's likely valued greater than he was this time last year, he's also looked really good in practices.
I said from the beginning if we trade a QB this year it will be DA and I'm sticking to it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Here is the blurb:
Some will kree jerk a negative response to this news but I don't think its that far fetched to simply dismiss. The Falcons need a QB and this isn't the draft to get one. IMHO, Quinn > Matt Ryan and would come fantastically cheaper. He's already under contract which would mean no lengthy holdout that we've seen from, Lienart, Russell, and Quinn, that everyone has witnessed over the last two years. Atlanta got burned badly in the Schaub/Vick fiasco. They need a PR coupe and they need a QB who can play yesterday. Quinn is far more ready and prepared and has tons of upside. Atlanta could trade their top pick and save a bundle of cash for free agents and then dish DeAngelo for the G-Men's first rounder to offset the loss of thier top pick. The Browns would be positioned perfectly to fill a defensive hole which the free agency class unfortunately doesn't seem capable of fufilling. I don't put much stock in rumors but at least this makes sense on many levels.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Javon Walker is a stud if he's healthy and got his head screwed on right. The Bucs are interested in him and have discussed what it would take to get him from the Broncos who have to make a move for him soon since he's due a large roster bonus which they aren't willing to pay. Its pretty obvious that anyone looking to deal for Javon holds leverage over the Broncos. Also Javon wants OUT of Denver. He was in the limo where Darrent Williams got shot right in front of him and died in his arms. It completely rattled Walker. He openly admitted that he did not feel safe in Denver and just being in that environment had to hurt him. He began last year healthy and blew up for two consecutive 100 yard receiving games before he got hurt. Brandon Marshall never did that with the Broncos and everyone seems to be in love with Marshall. http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/02/bucs-talk-trade.html
The Browns ARE IN NEED of a #2 WR since Joe J. is up there and has back issues and simply is better suited for a limited rather than full-time duty. We all know that Travis Wilson sucks and Cribbs isn't anywhere near close to being ready to play WR full-time let alone put up the sort of numbers that Javon is capable of. Bryant Johnson is brittle and has never done much in Zona. The Browns ARE'T hurting for cap room so their isn't any issue with paying for top caliber production. I think Denver would jump at a third round pick for him and its doubtful that the Browns would get anyone of value picking LATE in the third round who could compare with what Javon Walker could give them right off the bat.
I've followed Javon closely. He's a legit 6'3 and physical and 215. He began to breakout at the tail end of 2003 then blew up in 2004 and wanted to get paid in 2005. That is when the Ten Million Dollar Man, Brett Farve threw him under the bus as he was openly toying with the media on his ranch about whether or not he'd return. Walker DID NOT hold out but his pay impacted him on the field IMHO and he got hurt in the first quarter of the first game. He blew out his ACL and was bitter in how everyting turned out in GB. He landed in Denver in 06 where he tore it up with Jake Plummer but when the Broncos sat the vet and started the rookie Culter the entire offense took a nosedive. This guy is ready to explode IMHO.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3548
Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS TD
2002 GNB 15 23 319 1
2003 GNB 16 41 716 9
2004 GNB 16 89 1382 12
2005 GNB 1 4 27 0
2006 DEN 16 69 1084 8
2007 DEN 8 26 287 0
Then the Darrent Williams tradegy unfolded. This guy has measureables up the yang, boo-coo talent, and is vastly under rated, and I suspect he can be had for a song.
Also the argument that the Browns never ran three-wide sets is absurd. Their is damn good reason why no three-wide sets were run. We don't even have TWO good WRs let alone three. So with, KWII split wide, Braylon, and Javon, no one could cover us. It would be an incredible receiving unit and by having two stud WRs we'd be covered for possible injuries. Add in his height would make matchup nightmares for everyone we play.
Fantastic suggestion and one I pimped awhile back. I'd LOVE to see us make a play for Javon Walker if we can get him for a reasonable price but he went to FSU and the Bucs are showing interest. Wouldn't suprise me at all if he wanted to get back to Florida so although I'd love to see it I doubt it would happen.
duece2626
Footballguy
Browns | Team offers D. Anderson contract
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:12:31 -0800
Mary Kay Cabot, of The Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns offered QB Derek Anderson a three-year deal around the $18 million range. Anderson and the Browns have until Thursday, Feb. 28, to reach an agreement before Anderson becomes a restricted free agent.
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:12:31 -0800
Mary Kay Cabot, of The Plain Dealer, reports the Cleveland Browns offered QB Derek Anderson a three-year deal around the $18 million range. Anderson and the Browns have until Thursday, Feb. 28, to reach an agreement before Anderson becomes a restricted free agent.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I am of the opinion that no one will end up trading for J Walk and he'll be cut. He wants to be a #1 somewhere and I am sure some team out there will give him the opportunity. We do not offer that opportunity. He won't come to some place to be a #2, #3 if you include Winslow. Besides, defense is the area we need to address with our $, not offense. I do not want to make the same mistake the Rams did last offseason in trying to improve our strength rather than fixing our weakness.
Gopher State
Footballguy
I agree a #2 WR would help the Browns, how about the Vikings sending Troy "da burner" Williamson and their 2008 second round draft pick to the Browns for Anderson? Williamson and Edwards are old buddies, Williamson is the burner the Browns need to open up their passing game more (if thats possible) and Williamson has stated he would like to play for the Browns.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If the Browns made that move I would become a Ravens fan.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
How Quinn rates with the QBs of this draft. Many criticised the Browns for getting Quinn last year but cudos to those who said the Browns wouldn't be able to get a QB in this draft as Quinn ranks right up there with the top rated QB of this draft class. Matt Ryan is seen as a guy who should go within the first five picks so if you consider the exchange ratio, last year's second round pick #36 plus this year's first round pick #22 its is clear the Browns got a bargain since no team in the top five would swap out for the 22nd and 36th picks in consecutive drafts.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/footb...0Q.html?sid=101
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/footb...0Q.html?sid=101
Its fun to talk about offense and fantasize about J. Walker and other things that would have Fantasy Football relevance... but lets face it. The only priority of this off-season should be Defense - especially at the D-Line positions.
Assuming we draft at our current spot, does anyone see a DL player (especially nose tackle type) who might have the potential to make an impact?
Assuming we draft at our current spot, does anyone see a DL player (especially nose tackle type) who might have the potential to make an impact?
amnesiac
beer is good
sounds like one of those law firms with no anti-nepotim clause. "hello, thank you for calling Smith, Smith & Smith""uh, is Smith in?""no, can i take a message?"and, unfortunately, i have no idea if Justin Smith fits the 3-4 or not.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
would certainly make it easier on the PA announcernot sure how he'd fit in...has he had injury issues?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
At least one (maybe two or three) of these DL have to be on the Browns radar...
From ESPN's FA list:
DE - Justin Smith (Cincinnati), Mike Rucker (Carolina), Bobby McCray (Jacksonville), Chris Canty (Dallas), Travis LaBoy and Antwan Odom (Tennessee)
DT - Jovan Haye (Buccaneers), Anthony Maddox (Houston), Darrell Reid and Dan Klecko (Indianapolis), Langston Moore (Detroit), Tim Anderson (Atlanta), Kindal Moorehead (Carolina), Ethan Kelley (Cleveland), Grady Jackson (Jacksonville), Spencer Johnson (Minnesota), Tommy Kelly (Oakland), Ellis Wyms (Seattle) and Randy Starks (Tennessee)
From ESPN's FA list:
DE - Justin Smith (Cincinnati), Mike Rucker (Carolina), Bobby McCray (Jacksonville), Chris Canty (Dallas), Travis LaBoy and Antwan Odom (Tennessee)
DT - Jovan Haye (Buccaneers), Anthony Maddox (Houston), Darrell Reid and Dan Klecko (Indianapolis), Langston Moore (Detroit), Tim Anderson (Atlanta), Kindal Moorehead (Carolina), Ethan Kelley (Cleveland), Grady Jackson (Jacksonville), Spencer Johnson (Minnesota), Tommy Kelly (Oakland), Ellis Wyms (Seattle) and Randy Starks (Tennessee)
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Peak
Footballguy
ClevelandBrowns.com: Team Notes
Found this one pretty interesting. Glad to hear Bentley is still in the plans!! Hopefully he comes back and can actually participate, unlike Baxter.
Found this one pretty interesting. Glad to hear Bentley is still in the plans!! Hopefully he comes back and can actually participate, unlike Baxter.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
They wouldn't go after Laboy unless they plan on moving him to outside linebacker. He is only 260 lbs, which is too light for a 3-4 DE.At least one (maybe two or three) of these DL have to be on the Browns radar...From ESPN's FA listE - Justin Smith (Cincinnati), Mike Rucker (Carolina), Bobby McCray (Jacksonville), Chris Canty (Dallas), Travis LaBoy and Antwan Odom (Tennessee)DT - Jovan Haye (Buccaneers), Anthony Maddox (Houston), Darrell Reid and Dan Klecko (Indianapolis), Langston Moore (Detroit), Tim Anderson (Atlanta), Kindal Moorehead (Carolina), Ethan Kelley (Cleveland), Grady Jackson (Jacksonville), Spencer Johnson (Minnesota), Tommy Kelly (Oakland), Ellis Wyms (Seattle) and Randy Starks (Tennessee)
MAC_32
Footballguy
Justin Smith would be an awful fit in our 3-4, at 275 he'd get crushed as an end. I'd love a Calvin Pace/Randy Starks/Tommy Kelly free agency.
EDIT: Al Davis' ######## just screwed up my Kelly plans, there are several other decent options available. Pace + Starks still look great
EDIT: Al Davis' ######## just screwed up my Kelly plans, there are several other decent options available. Pace + Starks still look great
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
This was my initial thought when I heard this on the radio a couple days ago. He is 6'4 I believe, but like you said 275lbs.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
amnesiac
beer is good
lot of speculation here.but if so, i agree with the rest of the analysis.
course, they'll need a real backup QB.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Some timely Q&A by Browns' GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full questions and answers as some have been snippet.
http://cle.scout.com/2/732945.html
http://cle.scout.com/2/732945.html
Good point by Savage in any defensive free agent would see that Cleveland is a great place to make an impact meaning that they can post some huge stats which would be a solid career move for any defender.
duece2626
Footballguy
Corey Williams traded to Browns for what's rumored to be a 2nd.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post reports that the Packers will trade defensive tackle Corey Williams to the Browns at some point after midnight.
Presumably, Williams will sign his one-year franchise tender and then sign a long-term deal, which will be traded to the Browns.
There's no word on what the Packers will get in return.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post reports that the Packers will trade defensive tackle Corey Williams to the Browns at some point after midnight.
Presumably, Williams will sign his one-year franchise tender and then sign a long-term deal, which will be traded to the Browns.
There's no word on what the Packers will get in return.
