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The Audible - Combine Questions Answered (1 Viewer)

Interesting stuff. I mostly find that you two are more down on Mendenhall then most of the other "experts" out there. I see a lot of places with RM pushing up towards MCFadden. Although Kiper does have RM 2 or three spots behind stewart still.

Why the big differences in opinion between you guys, kiper, mayock and others when thinking of Mendenhall?

 
It sounds like it's a bad year to have a rookie pick (for fantasy) in the 6-9 range...

you figure the top 4 picks are pretty clear with DMac, Stewart, Felix Jones, and Mendenhall. After that though there's going to be a drop off in value unless a guy like Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, and/or Kevin Smith end up in ideal positions with a chance to start.

As a guy with both the 6th and 8th picks in a dynasty draft, I'm :yes: .

Perhaps I'll try packaging those two picks for the number 3 or 4? Would anyone go for that? We'll see.

 
faux_bear said:
It sounds like it's a bad year to have a rookie pick (for fantasy) in the 6-9 range...you figure the top 4 picks are pretty clear with DMac, Stewart, Felix Jones, and Mendenhall. After that though there's going to be a drop off in value unless a guy like Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, and/or Kevin Smith end up in ideal positions with a chance to start.As a guy with both the 6th and 8th picks in a dynasty draft, I'm :thumbup: .Perhaps I'll try packaging those two picks for the number 3 or 4? Would anyone go for that? We'll see.
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Disagree completely. With all of the unknowns this year it's fine to be in the back of the pack. In fact, if you have a high draft pick, it's a good idea to trade back.Charles, Rice and Smith could be solid contributers and you can grab them late. The dropoff to these guys doesn't seem that dramatic yet.And with 6th/8th you have potential to grab a solid RB prospect with a top WR/QB this year. Those two aren't all that bad. Surely deep enough so that you can get yet another solid prospect.
 
Chunky Soup said:
faux_bear said:
It sounds like it's a bad year to have a rookie pick (for fantasy) in the 6-9 range...you figure the top 4 picks are pretty clear with DMac, Stewart, Felix Jones, and Mendenhall. After that though there's going to be a drop off in value unless a guy like Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, and/or Kevin Smith end up in ideal positions with a chance to start.As a guy with both the 6th and 8th picks in a dynasty draft, I'm :wall: .Perhaps I'll try packaging those two picks for the number 3 or 4? Would anyone go for that? We'll see.
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Disagree completely. With all of the unknowns this year it's fine to be in the back of the pack. In fact, if you have a high draft pick, it's a good idea to trade back.Charles, Rice and Smith could be solid contributers and you can grab them late. The dropoff to these guys doesn't seem that dramatic yet.And with 6th/8th you have potential to grab a solid RB prospect with a top WR/QB this year. Those two aren't all that bad. Surely deep enough so that you can get yet another solid prospect.
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:thumbup: Plus how often do the first four rbs taken in most ff drafts all make an impact? Odds are at least one will bust either because of injuries of just plain underachievement. IMO this year is like a couple of years ago when you could get a stud like MJD in the late first/early second
 
Good stuff, buuuut....Rhianna??? To quote the immortal Art Shell: :lol:

On the content: I have to agree with Sig on Kevin Smith. He's one of those guys that plays faster than he'll time(I live in Central Florida and got to see a fair amount of him), so he may drop some. Any other year he'd probably be looking at a much bigger payday. Not sure who gave him the advice to enter early, but he should've probably ignored it. Some team is probably going to be pretty happy he did though.

I'm sort of interested in hearing what you guys think of some of the smaller college runners in the coming weeks that a lot of us haven't got to see very much. Parmele, Omon.... those types. I've got to see some film on Parmele and I raised an eyebrow once or twice.

 
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5-ish Finkle said:
Good stuff, buuuut....Rhianna??? To quote the immortal Art Shell: :thumbup: On the content: I have to agree with Sig on Kevin Smith. He's one of those guys that plays faster than he'll time(I live in Central Florida and got to see a fair amount of him), so he may drop some. Any other year he'd probably be looking at a much bigger payday. Not sure who gave him the advice to enter early, but he should've probably ignored it. Some team is probably going to be pretty happy he did though.I'm sort of interested in hearing what you guys think of some of the smaller college runners in the coming weeks that a lot of us haven't got to see very much. Parmele, Omon.... those types. I've got to see some film on Parmele and I raised an eyebrow once or twice.
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Haven't heard much about Parmele, got any info? What'd you see that got your attention?
 
KSUinSFO said:
5-ish Finkle said:
Good stuff, buuuut....Rhianna??? To quote the immortal Art Shell: :football:

On the content: I have to agree with Sig on Kevin Smith. He's one of those guys that plays faster than he'll time(I live in Central Florida and got to see a fair amount of him), so he may drop some. Any other year he'd probably be looking at a much bigger payday. Not sure who gave him the advice to enter early, but he should've probably ignored it. Some team is probably going to be pretty happy he did though.

I'm sort of interested in hearing what you guys think of some of the smaller college runners in the coming weeks that a lot of us haven't got to see very much. Parmele, Omon.... those types. I've got to see some film on Parmele and I raised an eyebrow once or twice.
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Haven't heard much about Parmele, got any info? What'd you see that got your attention?
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Here's a link that I found at draftdaddyhttp://www.ourmidland.com/site/news.cfm?ne...72541&rfi=6

 
B Maverick said:
Interesting stuff. I mostly find that you two are more down on Mendenhall then most of the other "experts" out there. I see a lot of places with RM pushing up towards MCFadden. Although Kiper does have RM 2 or three spots behind stewart still.Why the big differences in opinion between you guys, kiper, mayock and others when thinking of Mendenhall?
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Bloom did a nice job of explaining this on our combine preview show. How much of a factor was Juice Williams in opening up the lanes for Mendenhall. Is it a Vince Young/Cedric Benson type of situation?Personally, I don't see enough elusiveness from RM. He has good power, good vison, and would be great in a one cut system. He is not creative in the open field, and is not a natural hands catcher coming out of the backfield. he does have a good initial burst, but in the open field he lacks a second gear.Rashard can be a good pro back, if the right team drafts him.
 
5-ish Finkle said:
Good stuff, buuuut....Rhianna??? To quote the immortal Art Shell: :confused: On the content: I have to agree with Sig on Kevin Smith. He's one of those guys that plays faster than he'll time(I live in Central Florida and got to see a fair amount of him), so he may drop some. Any other year he'd probably be looking at a much bigger payday. Not sure who gave him the advice to enter early, but he should've probably ignored it. Some team is probably going to be pretty happy he did though.I'm sort of interested in hearing what you guys think of some of the smaller college runners in the coming weeks that a lot of us haven't got to see very much. Parmele, Omon.... those types. I've got to see some film on Parmele and I raised an eyebrow once or twice.
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I'm in a mashup phase, that's why you're hearing them intro'd on the show. Best of Bootie 2007 :confused:I am still researching Parmele, but I can comment on Xavier Omon.Xavier is a very hard worker and he packs a good punch when he runs. I love his pad level, he gets low and knocks defenders back. he runs with a good forward lean and knows how to pick up positive yards when it seems nothing is there. His footwork when running through trash at the line of scrimmage is very good. He is a decisive runner that will make his living between the tackles. He does not have a second gear in the open field, but he has a good initial burst. He will lower his head and run through arm tackles, but will not take it to the corner. His work ethic alone will get him a roster spot. 4 time 1,500 yard rushers in college doesn't happen very often.
 
Jason Wood said:
Good work as always boys; you really think Felix Jones could be better than McFadden?
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Jones could definitely be a better pro than McFadden. It comes down to elusiveness and vision. McFadden loves to initiate contact, but that won't make for a long career in the NFL. Darren is a devastating playmaker with outstanding speed. Jones has good speed, but he choses to elude defenders rather than run at them. McFadden's leg also go dead on initial contact. Both are not 26-30 carry a game backs, but both can be very valuable for whatever team drafts them.
 
Cecil Lammey said:
B Maverick said:
Interesting stuff. I mostly find that you two are more down on Mendenhall then most of the other "experts" out there. I see a lot of places with RM pushing up towards MCFadden. Although Kiper does have RM 2 or three spots behind stewart still.

Why the big differences in opinion between you guys, kiper, mayock and others when thinking of Mendenhall?
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Bloom did a nice job of explaining this on our combine preview show. How much of a factor was Juice Williams in opening up the lanes for Mendenhall. Is it a Vince Young/Cedric Benson type of situation?Personally, I don't see enough elusiveness from RM. He has good power, good vison, and would be great in a one cut system. He is not creative in the open field, and is not a natural hands catcher coming out of the backfield. he does have a good initial burst, but in the open field he lacks a second gear.

Rashard can be a good pro back, if the right team drafts him.
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From everything I have read and heard he is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield. This is new. Can you elaborate on this for me?As for the 2nd gear, most others point to the run vs USC. Now i now a lot of players were out of position but to be able to outrun them all for 70 yards seems pretty good.

And as Juice is a running QB of course you have to account for that but teams still put 8 in the box since he didnt pass for very much. I agree the young/benson comparison is a concern, but i still see RM much higher in most places then you guys have them.

 
He is a decisive runner that will make his living between the tackles.
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This is kind of what I was hoping to hear. I've seen literally just a couple snippets of game tape on Omon and on those he was really plugging it up in there. Wondered if that was the norm or just a couple of random instances edited together to make a point.Thanks for the input, dude. Glad to see the fade back around more often lately. :)
Haven't heard much about Parmele, got any info? What'd you see that got your attention?
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Made some nice cutbacks on a couple runs and took them up inside. Almost like he could feel it opening up the other way before it actually did. But, it was so little actual footage that I wondered if it was just creative editing to showcase him(the old "blind squirrel" addage, etc etc). It'd be great to hear from anyone else who's seen his games(or at least more footage than I have). Seems like he's built like a little fire-plug type, but I have no idea if it translates to his game on the field.The Steelers could really use a banger to pair with Parker(Davenport ain't one. Not sure if Gary Rusell is either). Being a Steelers' fan, I've been perusing "unconventional" guys to watch that look like they may be able to offer that on Day 2.
 
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5-ish Finkle said:
On the content: I have to agree with Sig on Kevin Smith. He's one of those guys that plays faster than he'll time(I live in Central Florida and got to see a fair amount of him), so he may drop some. Any other year he'd probably be looking at a much bigger payday. Not sure who gave him the advice to enter early, but he should've probably ignored it. Some team is probably going to be pretty happy he did though.
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It's funny as I was just talking with a local Sports radio dude here in LA about the same thing - we were talking about measurables, the 40 and allllllll the other things the NFL has dreamed up to figure out whether a player has 'it' -and yet so many times they still miss the guy.I'm with Sig as well - I think Smith could have a shot at being that story a few years from now - 'how did everyone miss THAT???'
 
Cecil Lammey said:
Jason Wood said:
Good work as always boys; you really think Felix Jones could be better than McFadden?
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Jones could definitely be a better pro than McFadden. It comes down to elusiveness and vision. McFadden loves to initiate contact, but that won't make for a long career in the NFL. Darren is a devastating playmaker with outstanding speed. Jones has good speed, but he choses to elude defenders rather than run at them. McFadden's leg also go dead on initial contact. Both are not 26-30 carry a game backs, but both can be very valuable for whatever team drafts them.
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That jives with what Kiper had to say about Jones: “Felix Jones, same thing. He gives you the game-breaking capability. He’s not a guy who will carry the ball 25 times a game. Teams that want a feature back will not look at Felix Jones." Maybe Mel's not such a hack after all...
 
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B Maverick said:
From everything I have read and heard he is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield. This is new. Can you elaborate on this for me?
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Sure, sorry for not being more specific. Mendenhall gets a little careless with the ball after the catch. A natural hands receiver goes from arms extended, catches the ball with hands not body, and then secures the ball naturally.I don't think Mendenhall hears footsteps, but he seems to be so excited after the catch that he loses some fundamentals, which can lead to fumbles/incompletions.I've seen Rashard make some tough catches, but sometimes he makes the catch harder than it should be on his own.
 
Cecil Lammey said:
B Maverick said:
From everything I have read and heard he is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield. This is new. Can you elaborate on this for me?
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Sure, sorry for not being more specific. Mendenhall gets a little careless with the ball after the catch. A natural hands receiver goes from arms extended, catches the ball with hands not body, and then secures the ball naturally.I don't think Mendenhall hears footsteps, but he seems to be so excited after the catch that he loses some fundamentals, which can lead to fumbles/incompletions.I've seen Rashard make some tough catches, but sometimes he makes the catch harder than it should be on his own.
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That makes sense. Part of what has drawn me to the hype was the amount of balls he caught at Ill and the 3/58 or so vs USC. He seems to be all over the boards between 1 and 5. You guys have him 4 or 5, Kiper his him 3rd (but closing in on #2), Mayock has him #1. Most mocks are debating him vs stewart as the #2 back.A lot is going to be said for the combine and what team drafts him.
 
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