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Brandon Stokley = Anthony Gonzalez (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter NorrisB
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Gonzalez is significantly more talented than Stokley ever was.I kinda think Gonzo is a similar WR to Lavernaues Coles only in a better offense than Coles has ever been in.A guy in my league said that he basically felt Gonzalez was the next Brandon Stokley. What do you think of that statement?
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I would say it was a very poor assessment. Gonzalez was a first round pick of a team that is probably better than any in the league at identifying talent that will succeed in their system. In the first round over the past ten(ish) year I count: Manning, Harrison, Edge, Wayne, Clark and Addai. See any misses there? Gonzalez has shown the ability to get open and Manning is excellent at delivering the ball. He will be there 4 nore years at a minimum. Stokely was a one season wonder.
Super King
Footballguy
Gonzalez>>>Stokley
NorrisB
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
Especially the highlighted part. Why is it so man other teams don't consider the needs of their schemes?Know who else is really good at this? But more so in the FA market than the draft (in the draft they fail miserably).... NE.
Top two teams at acquiring talent for their schemes. They just do it very differently.
kerpow
Footballguy
Whats interesting is that the Colts aren't really that great at picking talent through FA. The only real impact player they have acquired is Jeff Saturday and that was many years ago. While Booger McFarland was obviously injured all last season I didn't feel he fitted the system in the previous year. Many have suggested that he was partly responsible for that pitiful Run D. Vinatieri hasn't improved since joining the Colts.Especially the highlighted part. Why is it so man other teams don't consider the needs of their schemes?
Know who else is really good at this? But more so in the FA market than the draft (in the draft they fail miserably).... NE.
Top two teams at acquiring talent for their schemes. They just do it very differently.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It's not that the Colts aren't great at picking FA, they choose not to spend their money that way for the most part. We all know they know how to draft, so an eye for talent doesn't just stop with the draft.Whats interesting is that the Colts aren't really that great at picking talent through FA. The only real impact player they have acquired is Jeff Saturday and that was many years ago. While Booger McFarland was obviously injured all last season I didn't feel he fitted the system in the previous year. Many have suggested that he was partly responsible for that pitiful Run D. Vinatieri hasn't improved since joining the Colts.Especially the highlighted part. Why is it so man other teams don't consider the needs of their schemes?
Know who else is really good at this? But more so in the FA market than the draft (in the draft they fail miserably).... NE.
Top two teams at acquiring talent for their schemes. They just do it very differently.
Fallerjw
Footballguy
Part of the problem is that a lot of teams change schemes every few years because of the revolving door of coordinators / coaches. Not many teams can continue the same scheme for long periods of time. When they do, however, they are usually successful. Of course that could be the chicken and the egg.Especially the highlighted part. Why is it so man other teams don't consider the needs of their schemes?
Know who else is really good at this? But more so in the FA market than the draft (in the draft they fail miserably).... NE.
Top two teams at acquiring talent for their schemes. They just do it very differently.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Gonzo better than Stokley.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Gonzo is probably right in the middle between Stokley and Wayne. I think he will end up being a very good #2 WR in the NFL, and probably the same for fantasy purposes (#2).
Playing with Manning obviously helps, and he could end up being as productive as a TJ Houshmandzadeh, as I think their talents are similar. I just don't ever see him being a guy that's rated in the top 5 like Wayne is though.
Playing with Manning obviously helps, and he could end up being as productive as a TJ Houshmandzadeh, as I think their talents are similar. I just don't ever see him being a guy that's rated in the top 5 like Wayne is though.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Wayne was nothing special as a rookie prospect when the Colts drafted him. It took him several years to start puuting up good numbers in the Colts system.Gonzalez is ahead of the learning curve taken by both Wayne and Harrison. He built good chemistry with Manning right away due to his work ethic and attention to detail.Gonzalez is has also been very underrated. People think he doesen't have the physical tools to be a top WR or something. That is far from the truth.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Gonzalez is a bit overrated at this time, and Brandon Stokley is being underrated.Looking forward, you'd have to expect big things from Gonzalez due to his surroundings. Peyton Manning, the Colts offense, and Harrison's decline opens the door for him to be a big contributor.Now, the downside is that Harrison could return for a year or two, relegating Gonzo to the slot and the 4th or 5th target (DClark, Addai) for that timeline. Likely? Not really, but it could happen.Long term, there's no question that at this rate Gonzo should be >> Stokley and have a Top 20-25 WR upside.Stokley is underrated, which is strange to me. He's allegedly playing with a Top 10 QB (Dynasty-wise, and possibly in 08) in Jay Cutler, and he's "been there, done that" in this league. How many active WR2s or WR3s have a 10-TD season under their belt? Not many.If Javon Walker is released, guess who becomes the clear starter? Stokley could fall somewhere between Bobby Engram and Wes Welker numbers in 08 as he becomes the possession receiver opposite of Brandon Marshall in Denver. Check Stokley's career numbers - he is a good receiver and catches 55-60% of his targets for 13+ YPC in the last 3-4 years. If he's a starter for the Broncos, he could have another solid season. Sure his injury history (some leg issues) and age (31) are question marks, but he appears healthy and WRs are doing quite well into their mid-30s.To answer the OP's question - Gonzo > Stokley long term and has higher upside. His downside is a tiny bit lower than Stokley's only due to his lack of track record, but the upside more than makes up for it.A guy in my league said that he basically felt Gonzalez was the next Brandon Stokley. What do you think of that statement?
JPeso
Footballguy
Not seeing this as a strong comparison after the skin color.
LBH
Footballguy
really? they both seem like smallish quick guys, that have good hands and run crisp routes
Biabreakable
Footballguy
AG is not small. He is 6'0" 193lbs coming into the NFL. He also is not slow clocking 4.40 at the combine.
Marvin Harrison is 6'0" 185lbs. The similarities between the 2 WR do not end there.
Some tidbits from scouts about AG: Smart, athletic receiver with a polished game. Plays with outstanding balance, body control and makes the reception without breaking stride. Extends to grab the ball away from his frame, takes a big hit, yet holds onto the pass.
Gonzalez was about as good as it gets. He's extremely bright, has an in-depth knowledge of the game, displays a maturity beyond his years and understands defenses. Gonzalez is earmarked for the second round off his speed and production, but if a team steps up late in the first round it would be a good football decision.
Work ethic. Plays disciplined and smart, will always be where Manning wants him to be. Makes clutch catches and catches the ball without breaking stride which leads to RAC. Studies the game like Peyton does and from the begining was talking about plays and patterns as well as what the defense was doing and how he could take advantage of it with Manning on the sideline. You think these 2 are not going to click?
In the 9 games he started, as a rookie in 4 of those 9 games he caught 6 or more passes. Yes there was a couple games where he dissapeared, the Colts not needing him, finding their other weapons open, but that was as a rookie. He had receptions of 55 and 57 yards. He can burn defenses deep and run any route and get open. A complete WR.
Rookie season 37 catches 15.6 YPC 3TD.
With the signing on Clark and Harrisons decline I see Gonzo being a every down starter as soon as this season. And his numbers will only go up.
Marvin Harrison is 6'0" 185lbs. The similarities between the 2 WR do not end there.
Some tidbits from scouts about AG: Smart, athletic receiver with a polished game. Plays with outstanding balance, body control and makes the reception without breaking stride. Extends to grab the ball away from his frame, takes a big hit, yet holds onto the pass.
Gonzalez was about as good as it gets. He's extremely bright, has an in-depth knowledge of the game, displays a maturity beyond his years and understands defenses. Gonzalez is earmarked for the second round off his speed and production, but if a team steps up late in the first round it would be a good football decision.
Work ethic. Plays disciplined and smart, will always be where Manning wants him to be. Makes clutch catches and catches the ball without breaking stride which leads to RAC. Studies the game like Peyton does and from the begining was talking about plays and patterns as well as what the defense was doing and how he could take advantage of it with Manning on the sideline. You think these 2 are not going to click?
In the 9 games he started, as a rookie in 4 of those 9 games he caught 6 or more passes. Yes there was a couple games where he dissapeared, the Colts not needing him, finding their other weapons open, but that was as a rookie. He had receptions of 55 and 57 yards. He can burn defenses deep and run any route and get open. A complete WR.
Rookie season 37 catches 15.6 YPC 3TD.
With the signing on Clark and Harrisons decline I see Gonzo being a every down starter as soon as this season. And his numbers will only go up.
switz
Footballguy
Wayne was DEVELOPED by Manning and the Colts. Had he gone elsewhere, I seriously doubt he would be putting up good numbers.
switz
Footballguy
Totally different games... quick, sure? small??Gonzalez - Height: 6-0 Weight: 193Welker - Height: 5-9 Weight: 185That's a big difference in the NFL.
