Combine --- Winners and Losers (non-OL positions) (1 Viewer)

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.

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Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.

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Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.

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Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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Wow, didn't know a player was judged on 1 game or series of practices.I don't think he is in either Brohm's or Ryan's class, but he is definitely a top 5 qb prospect. Arm strength is the single most overrated part of a qb's game. If arm strength was important, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller would be well on their way to Canton. Ask Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jeff Garcia how imprtant arm strength is. It's about making the right decisions with the football.

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Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.

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Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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Wow, didn't know a player was judged on 1 game or series of practices.I don't think he is in either Brohm's or Ryan's class, but he is definitely a top 5 qb prospect. Arm strength is the single most overrated part of a qb's game. If arm strength was important, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller would be well on their way to Canton. Ask Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jeff Garcia how imprtant arm strength is. It's about making the right decisions with the football.

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.

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Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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Wow, didn't know a player was judged on 1 game or series of practices.I don't think he is in either Brohm's or Ryan's class, but he is definitely a top 5 qb prospect. Arm strength is the single most overrated part of a qb's game. If arm strength was important, Akili Smith and Kyle Boller would be well on their way to Canton. Ask Joe Montana, Tom Brady, or Jeff Garcia how imprtant arm strength is. It's about making the right decisions with the football.

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Did I say I judged him solely on the Senior Bowl week? No, I just referenced it.If you think Tom Brady has a weak arm you're crazy. Or if you think Colt Brennan has the intangibles of Montana or Brady you're really crazy.

We'll see in just over 2 months. Brennan has virtually no shot of being one of the first 5 QBs drafted.

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Weiner Dog said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Hardy has lost a little "freak" value. Instead of being a potential immense red-zone talent, he'll now be measured against the likes of Malcom Kelly and Limas Sweed and I fear his clockings will fall short (...and Sweed is not a speedster).I agree Brennan does not have the physical tools to be a viable NFL player. However, his leadership and cerebral game could net him a 2nd-day drafting.

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Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Felix Jones (RB) - 5'10" 207 lbs (expected to be more "stretched out" at 6'0")

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result)

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

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I think 6'5'' helps Hardy more than 6'7''.I don't think Brennan will get drafted at all. He's not very good.

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Would love to here why you think that. The fact that he measured 6'2 was pretty big. Guy is one of the most accurate passers in the draft. Constantly hits his receivers in stride.

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6'2" is not big for a QB. I think Brennan is this year's Ken Dorsey (minus 2" of height). Despite their accuracy, both players have subpar arm strength. Brennan won't hit receivers in stride if the DL bats the ball down 30% of the time, especially with Brennan's awkward delivery.

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Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Rashard Mendenhall - weighed a chiseled 225 lbs and showed he can carry the load.

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broncofan13000 said:

Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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saintfool said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.

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BINGBING said:

The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!!

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broncofan13000 said:

Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...

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broncofan13000 said:

Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...

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Weiner Dog said:

BINGBING said:

The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!!

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I'll let you decide how hilarious a sub-6'3" QB is...In the last four drafts, only 2 of the 12 QB's taken in the 1st-round were under 6'3". They were J.P. Losman and Aaron Rodgers. How's that working for them??

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Weiner Dog said:

Winners:

Rashard Mendenhall - 26 reps, weighed a chiseled 225 lbs, and showed he can carry the load

Dustin Keller (TE) - 4.53/40 - 26 reps - 38" vertical (if Dallas Clark can do it, so can Keller, right??)

Calais Campbell (DE) - 6'7" 290 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Derrick Harvey (OLB) - much bigger than expected at 6'4" 291 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Vernon Gholston (DE) - 6'3" 266 lbs (size to play both DE in 4-3 and OLB in 3-4)

Keith Rivers (LB) - bigger than expected at 6'2" 244 lbs (assuming he runs as expected)

Colt Brennan (QB) - weighed 203 lbs (still will probably fall to the 2nd day)

Mike Hart (RB) - weighed 206 lbs (...but I think his times will be terrible, as a result) and surprisingly had 23 reps

Steve Slaton (RB) - approached 200 lbs and had 19 reps --- may not be a terrible pick if he runs a 4.30-4.40/40

Kevin Smith (RB) - at 6'1" 217 lbs, he's bigger than I thought

Losers:

Desean Jackson (WR) - smurflike sub-170 lbs.

James Hardy (WR) - "only" 6'5" vs several listings at 6'7"

Brian Brohm (QB) - sub 6'3"

Chad Henne (QB) - sub 6'3"

Ali Highsmith (LB) - only 5'11" (will probably squash any small existing chance of entering the 1st-round)

Chris Johnson (RB) - weighed an expected 197 lbs at 5'11", but simply not compact enough to be a true #1 at this time

Felix Jones (RB) - it's been posted that Jones only posted an embarrassing 8 reps

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Weiner Dog said:

BINGBING said:

The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!!

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I'll let you decide how hilarious a sub-6'3" QB is...In the last four drafts, only 2 of the 12 QB's taken in the 1st-round were under 6'3". They were J.P. Losman and Aaron Rodgers. How's that working for them??

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Just to be clear, you are arguing that height is a huge factor in a qb's success? Or just where they are drafted? If you are arguing where they are drafted I am in agreement. If you are saying success, I disagree. Mainly because I put height and arm strength way down on the list for qb's.

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Weiner Dog said:

BINGBING said:

The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!!

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I'll let you decide how hilarious a sub-6'3" QB is...In the last four drafts, only 2 of the 12 QB's taken in the 1st-round were under 6'3". They were J.P. Losman and Aaron Rodgers. How's that working for them??

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Balco said:

And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).

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Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).

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We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".

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Balco said:

broncofan13000 said:

Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...

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unless i'm looking at a misprint...

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Bench Press should have no bearing on a running backs skill level. It doesn't help a back in any way. Now if he could do 2 reps of 225 on the squat rack, I would be worried.

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mightyeskimo said:

Balco said:

broncofan13000 said:

Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...

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unless i'm looking at a misprint...

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Bench Press should have no bearing on a running backs skill level. It doesn't help a back in any way. Now if he could do 2 reps of 225 on the squat rack, I would be worried.

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Could you please tell us what muscles are used in a stiff arm as well as carrying and securing the football?

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Balco said:

Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).

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We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".

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And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)

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mightyeskimo said:

Balco said:

broncofan13000 said:

Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...

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unless i'm looking at a misprint...

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Bench Press should have no bearing on a running backs skill level. It doesn't help a back in any way. Now if he could do 2 reps of 225 on the squat rack, I would be worried.

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Could you please tell us what muscles are used in a stiff arm as well as carrying and securing the football?

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Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).

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We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".

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And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)

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A more false statement could not be made. QB's drafted by round this century (number of NFL starters listed in paranthesis):Round 1 - 21 (11)Round 2 - 8 (3)Round 3 - 12 (3)Round 4 - 9 (1)Round 5 - 15 (0)Round 6 - 17 (3)Round 7 - 19 (0)Of the 41 QB's drafted on Day 1, 17 are starters in the NFL. Of the 60 QB's drafted on Day 2, only 4 are starters in the NFL.

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Balco said:

Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).

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We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".

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And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)

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A more false statement could not be made. QB's drafted by round this century (number of NFL starters listed in paranthesis):Round 1 - 21 (11)Round 2 - 8 (3)Round 3 - 12 (3)Round 4 - 9 (1)Round 5 - 15 (0)Round 6 - 17 (3)Round 7 - 19 (0)Of the 41 QB's drafted on Day 1, 17 are starters in the NFL. Of the 60 QB's drafted on Day 2, only 4 are starters in the NFL.

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Wow, that is not cherry picking? You only list drafted qb's and qb''s drafted this century And when you tried to make your other point, you only used qbs drafted in the 1st round.

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Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

Weiner Dog said:

Balco said:

And to add, if you look at passer rating for NFL qb's last year. 5 of the top 10 were 6'2 or under. (# 11 was also under 6'3 - Drew Brees).

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We can cherry-pick numbers all day. Sure...5 of the Top 10 "passer ratings" were sub 6'3" QB's. However, only 2 of the next 10 were sub-6'3" QB's. That's a 35% clip in the Top-20.Or you could choose a different category to dispute. Only 3 of the Top-10 QB's for "TD's Thrown" were under 6'3".

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And the list also shows that draft position means absolutely nothing in future success. Here is the breakdown:1st Round: 3 (Roethlisberger, Manning, McNabb)2nd Round: 1 (Favre)3rd round: None4th Round: 1 (Garrard)5th Round: None6th Round: 1 (Brady)7th Round: 1 (Hasselback)Undrafted: 3 (Warner, Romo, Garcia)

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A more false statement could not be made. QB's drafted by round this century (number of NFL starters listed in paranthesis):Round 1 - 21 (11)Round 2 - 8 (3)Round 3 - 12 (3)Round 4 - 9 (1)Round 5 - 15 (0)Round 6 - 17 (3)Round 7 - 19 (0)Of the 41 QB's drafted on Day 1, 17 are starters in the NFL. Of the 60 QB's drafted on Day 2, only 4 are starters in the NFL.

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Wow, that is not cherry picking? You only list drafted qb's and qb''s drafted this century And when you tried to make your other point, you only used qbs drafted in the 1st round.

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I left my Annie Oakley decoder pin at work. Can you please decode your post?? Many thanks.

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BINGBING said:

The most hilarious part of this is naming Brohm and Henne as "Losers" because they measured AN 1/8 OF AN INCH BELOW 6' 3"!!!!!!

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Rodeojones said:

saintfool said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.

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Don't forget he had the wonder kin Mike Martz as his coach as well messing with his mechanics. Brennan's body of work at UH should speak much louder then a poor Senior Bowl. It wasn't too long ago that Colt Brennan's name was included in the Heisman conversation.

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.

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Ramblin Wreck said:

Rodeojones said:

saintfool said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.

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Don't forget he had the wonder kin Mike Martz as his coach as well messing with his mechanics. Brennan's body of work at UH should speak much louder then a poor Senior Bowl. It wasn't too long ago that Colt Brennan's name was included in the Heisman conversation.

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Gino Toretta once won a Heisman Trophy. So did Danny Wuerrful

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Ramblin Wreck said:

saintfool said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.

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David Klingler, Andre Ware, Kliff Kingsbury, Timmy Chang, and many others were great "system QBs" too. The NFL ain't drafting the system though. I'm not impressed at all with the things I've seen and read concerning Brennan.

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Balco said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

saintfool said:

Ramblin Wreck said:

Did you miss all the Senior Bowl practices and game? I also think his arm isn't strong enough and there's some mental stuff. Maybe someone takes him late but I won't be shocked if he's undrafted. He's certainly not a top 5-7 QB in this draft like everyone assumed all season long.

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didn't he have the stomach flu leading up to the senior bowl? he lost a lot of weight leading up to it and played at a slim 185lbs. it should come as no surprise to anyone that he didn't have any oomph on his passes, if that is the case. if you give him a pass on the Senior Bowl because of this illness, you're free to consider his performance against UGA in the bowl. that certainly wasn't impressive. however, it's hard to overlook the numbers over the course of a season or more.i don't know what to make of him, frankly. the stats for his play the last 3 years have been outstanding. 70% of passes completed. 131 tds and only 42 ins in 3 years. he rushed for 8 tds this year too. he may be a system QB but that's a heckuva system then, isn't it? he's got a lot to prove but don't write him off just yet.

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David Klingler, Andre Ware, Kliff Kingsbury, Timmy Chang, and many others were great "system QBs" too. The NFL ain't drafting the system though. I'm not impressed at all with the things I've seen and read concerning Brennan.

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I agree, it is very important to watch out for system qb's as they say. And you point out a couple players who were system qbs. And there are always programs that have fun and gun systems (i.e. the aforementioned TTech, and Hawaii). But you need to watch the games as well. If you watched Timmy Chang, you saw a guy who threw some terrible passes, and made questionable decisions with the football. Watch some game tape of Brennan when he has more than 1 second to throw the ball. He makes the right read 99 % of the time and really gets it to the receiver where they can do damage. Accurate, smart player.

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massraider said:

If Manningham's 4.59 holds up, you can put him squarely in the "loser" category.James Hardy ran real well.

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broncofan13000 said:

Felix Jones only did 8 reps in the bench press. I know bench press isn't the most important catagory for RB's, but isn't that kinda weak? Would this affect a scouts decision on him carrying a full load in the NFL, or is it a non-story? (haven't seen this discussed)...eta: unless i'm looking at a misprint...

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SayWhat? said:

How about Adarius Bowman? How much scratch has he cost himself since the Senior Bowl with a poor showing there and now a 4.69 at the combine? Ouch.

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