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You're starting an NFL Franchise - Who do you take? (1 Viewer)
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Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
No, not that far off at all.Was just having this discussion with a nimrod friend of mine (t8knovr), and he scoffed at my suggestion.
Who would be the top defensive players taken, if you were starting from scratch?
1. Merriman D.Ware
2. Cromartie
Is that far off?
Domination
Footballguy
Pattrick Willis has to be in the conversation.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Urlacher
Max Power
Footballguy
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Mario Williams. Young strong side end who can get after the passer. Very valuable.
Petty name calling, Gunz forgets to mention that during our conversation that he also stated that the best CB tandem in the NFL is Cromartie and Jammer of the chargers?He balked at the tandem of Bailey and Bly of the Broncos being better. Chime in all those sensible who are not in the Bizarro universe!Was just having this discussion with a nimrod friend of mine (t8knovr), and he scoffed at my suggestion.Who would be the top defensive players taken, if you were starting from scratch? 1. Merriman2. CromartieIs that far off?
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
Pass rusher and corner are the two most important positions.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
This guy is looking like he is going to be an elite pass rusher and legit 3 down DE. I can see him being the choice.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
DeMarcus Ware.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I would at least consider Jared Allen now that he seems to have his head screwed on straight. Purely a beast.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Give me:
Mario Williams and Julius Peppers and I would rule the world!!!!
Mario Williams and Julius Peppers and I would rule the world!!!!
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
It depends. If you were picking 5 guys for your team, yes. If a number of teams were drafting, Cromartie might still be on the board by pick 5. No pass rush makes good DB's look average- see Champ Bailey.Edit: I agree that Cromartie is right at the top of the CB list.
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NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
Merriman yes, as he is an animal (my biased steroid comments aside), Cromartie...not yet.....I see way too many DL's that could be more valuable then him at this stage. If he indeed continues on his growth, then next year I might agree. But just too much love given to guys after a few games with INT's and then fall flat on their face the following year.
Max Power
Footballguy
Id rather have a Tommie Harris / Albert Haynesworth front
prymetyme25
Footballguy
thats good if you want a solid defense like JAX. But I like a playmaking defense and with those 2 you can hide some areas that you might come up short in like DB.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
Fixed
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Tommy Kelly.
chris1969
Footballguy
Is that because after you pay him, theres no money left for anyone else?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I guess we're in the minority here. I'd much prefer to be stronger up the middle. You can get around a stud pass rush -- it's why the 46 defense isn't used anymore. Cover corners are nice but I'd rather stop the run and force teams off schedule than shut down their passing game and let them run all over me. Stud DTs are as rare as stud corners.I'll take two of Ngata and any DT/NT named Williams. Haynesworth scares me in the long term.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I think Tommie Harris is overrated. He's a very good undertackle, but he doesn't play the run that well and is an inconsistent pass rusher. Many of his sacks have come against poor or injured interior lines.
If I'm looking for an undertackle prospect, I think I'd rather have the all-around play of Kevin Williams or even a hybrid like Justin Tuck than Harris.
If I'm looking for an undertackle prospect, I think I'd rather have the all-around play of Kevin Williams or even a hybrid like Justin Tuck than Harris.
Max Power
Footballguy
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I think Tommie Harris is overrated. He's a very good undertackle, but he doesn't play the run that well and is an inconsistent pass rusher. Many of his sacks have come against poor or injured interior lines.If I'm looking for an undertackle prospect, I think I'd rather have the all-around play of Kevin Williams or even a hybrid like Justin Tuck than Harris.
I hate playing the injury card, but Harris wasn't 100% this season. I will agree that he can look bad against the run at times. I also think he benefited more than people think with Tank playing next to him. Right now, I see how Harris could be called overrated. His 07 season wasn't impressive. I think (hope) in 08 he will return to his All-world form. No-doubt that he will asked to be paid insane money in 09 when his contract is up. He needs to step it up a bit this coming season to show that he is worth it.
FUBAR
Footballguy
give meMario Williams
Kevin Williams
Pat Williams
Corey Williams
DJ Williams
Leon Williams
Sam Williams
Brian Williams
Roy Williams
Madieu Williams
Tramon Williams
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Demarcus Ware easily outplayed Julius Peppers on defense last year.Put me down for Ware, the best player on the Cowboys.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
wow
Mario Williams
Kevin Williams
Pat Williams
Corey Williams
DJ Williams
Leon Williams
Sam Williams
Brian Williams
Roy Williams
Madieu Williams
Tramon Williams
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I wouldn't
Looks like I am in the minority, AJ Hawk. I just see him as a good overall leader to command the Defense. Not that Ware, Williams, Willis, and others mentioned are not bad picks, but if your saying starting an NFL Franchise, I would look for a leader vs a playmaker.
Also with naming ends I am guessing that people rather have a 4-3 vs 3-4.
Also with naming ends I am guessing that people rather have a 4-3 vs 3-4.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Aside from the Patriots, what recent Super Bowl champions used a 3-4?
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
None, but the Chargers, Cowboys, Steelers, Patriots and Ravens have made the playoffs with the 3-4 in recent seasons.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
Agreed...Williams is the guy that I thought of right off the bat
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Just two years ago, this thread will be full of Polamolus, Reeds and Sanderses. Now that the Giants won the SB with strong DL, it's all DL named.
Koya
Footballguy
Something the Giants made me realize this past season:
In today's NFL, where even the greatest CB in the world can only line up against one WR in an utterly receiver friendly league, a great Defensive Line with a killer pash rush can compensate for good and perhaps even mediocre DBs, who are able to at least capitalize on some INTs.
However, even a great CB can not do much to stop an offense when their defensive line does not get pressure.
Take it a step further and say you have TWO "shutdown" corners - put a receiver in the slot (Wes Welker anyone) and even that huge advantage is mitigated. But the Giants, with Osi, Strahan and just enough push up the middle, took out the "greatest team in the history of the game" with far less than spectacular DBs.
In today's NFL, where even the greatest CB in the world can only line up against one WR in an utterly receiver friendly league, a great Defensive Line with a killer pash rush can compensate for good and perhaps even mediocre DBs, who are able to at least capitalize on some INTs.
However, even a great CB can not do much to stop an offense when their defensive line does not get pressure.
Take it a step further and say you have TWO "shutdown" corners - put a receiver in the slot (Wes Welker anyone) and even that huge advantage is mitigated. But the Giants, with Osi, Strahan and just enough push up the middle, took out the "greatest team in the history of the game" with far less than spectacular DBs.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
where is Jared Allen? He led the league in sacks and spotted the competition 2 games in doing so.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
That's the same DL that led the Giants to an incredible 10-6 record this year, too, right?The Giants DL is great, but people are underrating the value of a good secondary and good linebackers because of one game.
Koya
Footballguy
It's not just one game. Cowboys and Packers as well.Yes, Pierce is far underated, but the Giants secondary, imo, played so well, because the defensive line was a monster. There were plenty of times WRs were wide open - but QBs had not chance to get them the ball.This is not a post to tought the giants, but being a giants fan, I realize that the reason we won a number of playoff games and beat a considerably "better" team in the SB was due to the defensive line. It just dawned on me HOW important a D-line and pass rush are today with the rules set so much in the receiver's favor.Its my belief that you can win far easier with ok DBs and a great pass rush than great DBs and an ok Pass rush. And if you have a weak pass rush, good luck at all.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Ed Reed
encaitar
Footballguy
I don't think people are underestimating a good secondary. It's just that the Giants helped people realize that the DLine is the most important part of a defense. The run defense starts with the Dline. They must be strong enough and smart enough to not give ground and even penetrate the backfield. Then, having good to great linebacker and safety play solidifies this. Pass defense is the same way. If you give a QB time to throw, he's gonna find someone open. Sure you need good CBs to make plays and cover the top WRs, but if you're getting consistent pressure on the QB, you can get by without top dog CBs.I still think that someone like Reed or Polamalu could be a first choice for a franchise, but personally, give me Mario or Kevin Williams and let me build out from there.
Futeki
Footballguy
Perhaps it is because all of his sacks came in garbage time when the Chiefs had their big leads.Anyways, I definitely prefer going DE/DT, and that was before the Giants success this year.
Demian
Footballguy
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I'm still taking Polamalu. That guy can affect a game so many ways.
