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Sweet Love
IBL Representative
At least he is used to working in an offense without a QB...this should help Sidney Rice out immensely, though.
vikingdave
Footballguy
woot woot
RustyFA
Footballguy
Although it is insane to give a guy who hasn't gotten 1000 yards in a year $7 million per season this was needed. The Vikings offense needed to add a deep threat to not allow other teams to stack the box against ADP and C Taylor. If T Jackson can make other teams pay then this signing will truly elavate the Vikings offense.
I think Derek Anderson for a 1st would have helped this offense more.
I think Derek Anderson for a 1st would have helped this offense more.
EBF
Footballguy
They (and lots of other teams) should've gone after Schaub last year.I would take a chance on Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers, but I doubt Cleveland or Green Bay is selling.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Thank God!!! This means my Raiders won't throw bad money after him. 
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
The shark move is to buy Tarvaris. He'll have enough weapons this year to be legit. Great signing.
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
The shark move is to buy Tarvaris. He'll have enough weapons this year to be legit. Great signing.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Not for sale.The Vikings won't trade their first round draft pick for Anderson, though it would make perfect sense for them... and would save them the trouble of forgetting to make their pick round 1... :X
GO PACK GO!
In all honesty, I like this signing for the Vikings- it makes sense and he'll be an asset. They overpaid, no doubt, but that's what happens when you need a WR as badly as the Vikings do...I just hope whatever QB they throw under center can throw the ball over 30 yards and get it to him (enter Anderson?)
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Buy Tarvaris? I hope you mean buy him OUT... Does Childress have you all brainwashed up there thinking that kid has any talent? He's starting to rival Lovie Smith in terms of being delusional over his starting QB...The Vikings have one of the best RBs in the game (won't say the best, Bush had a bad sophomore slump and I'd like to see AP make it through a full season healthy)They have a legitimate WR now in Berrian... but when will MIN stop trying to load up on #2 and #3 WRs and go get themselves a #1? If I were a Vikings fan, I'd probably kill myself first
, but I'd be more excited over signing Javon Walker than Berrian... Walker's a proven #1 WR. Hurt more than anyone out there the last few years, but more talented than Berrian in my opinion. If they went out and got another WR, possibly Stallworth, then I'd be excited about their QB... but Berrian is nothing to write home about. Yes, he gives you the ability to stretch the field, and makes defenses honest when playing against you with AP in the backfield and the ability to burn you deep with Berrian... but the Vikings are a defense, a good QB, and a #1 WR away from actually having a shot at the division- especially with DET looking to get much better through FANorthernVike
Footballguy
The fact that all the non Vikings fan are complaining about this signing is proof that it was indeed a good signing for the Vikes.
SKOL
SKOL
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Complaining? I said it's a great signing. I just think they overpaid, but that's what happens when you blow a #7 on a crappy WR... I think they still lack a #1 WR, as Berrian is best used as a #2 WR (See Stallworth with NE, Jennings with GB)... some WRs aren't cut out to be #1 all by themselves, and Berrian might be one of those WRs. MIN is still a little bit away from being completely solved on offense.edit- willing to back up my statement with a wager
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I think Sidney Rice will be the #1 WR and Berrian will be the #2...they needed Berrian's speed to stretch the field, not for him to catch 120 passes.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Randy Moss' one year tender, which is an average of the top 5 salaries for WRs, would have been 7.84 million... Berrian signed a deal that would pay him roughly 7 million a year... Is he close to being a top 5 WR? top 10?
(in no order)
Wayne
CJ
Moss
TO
Fitzgerald
Edwards
Plax
Colston
TJ Housh
S. Smith
My only point is they paid him way too much, don't count on him being in MIN past 2010
(in no order)
Wayne
CJ
Moss
TO
Fitzgerald
Edwards
Plax
Colston
TJ Housh
S. Smith
My only point is they paid him way too much, don't count on him being in MIN past 2010
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I agree that they paid "too much" when compared to those players, but according to league rules, they need to reach a minimum salary level and you can only sign so many players anyway, so they (along with many other teams) HAVE to overpay just to meet the minimum league salary rules.
encaitar
Footballguy
You seem to be under the impression that the Vikings need him to catch 100 passes a year. All the Vikings hope for is that he stretches the field and stops opponents from stacking the box. If he does that and opens up field for ADP, I doubt any Viking will care how many times he actually caught the ball.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
No QB. You think Tarvaris Jackson is any better than Aaron Brooks? I don't. Same horse, different colorDonnybrook said:
Donnybrook
Footballguy
He signed a six year deal. Vikings could have a new QB this year or next. The Vikings have a lot of good players locked up long term. I was listening to various free agent QBs interviews on Sirius radio, most said that Minnesota would be a perfect situation them. Lets bring them in and let the best man win.
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
The fact that you imply that bush might be better than AP tells me how many Vikings games you've watched. Sharks buy players before they break out, not after. If the Oline plays well this year, Tarvaris should have a breakout season.Buy Tarvaris? I hope you mean buy him OUT... Does Childress have you all brainwashed up there thinking that kid has any talent? He's starting to rival Lovie Smith in terms of being delusional over his starting QB...The Vikings have one of the best RBs in the game (won't say the best, Bush had a bad sophomore slump and I'd like to see AP make it through a full season healthy)They have a legitimate WR now in Berrian... but when will MIN stop trying to load up on #2 and #3 WRs and go get themselves a #1? If I were a Vikings fan, I'd probably kill myself first
vikingdave
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
Little knee issue with WalkerJackson does not have to be a great QB, just average -, with AP if you put 8 in the box to stop him, just throw the ball to BB or Rice, the o-line will give you time to do that. The vikes over paid for BB, but his addition will be enought for the Vikings to make the play offs.
vikingdave
Footballguy
For a guy who is always hurt?
mdog1967
Footballguy
Berrian is a good WR, but not worth half the money they gave him, the Browns signing Stallworth made a steal.Not for sale.The Vikings won't trade their first round draft pick for Anderson, though it would make perfect sense for them... and would save them the trouble of forgetting to make their pick round 1...
GO PACK GO!
In all honesty, I like this signing for the Vikings- it makes sense and he'll be an asset. They overpaid, no doubt, but that's what happens when you need a WR as badly as the Vikings do...I just hope whatever QB they throw under center can throw the ball over 30 yards and get it to him (enter Anderson?)
Gopher State
Footballguy
Don't know how you think the Browns got a steal, they paid 35M for Stallworth, a guy with a long injury (hammy) history, Vikes got BB for 42M and he is coming off a career year. Stallworth was just average for NE last year. I see more upside in BB.Berrian is a good WR, but not worth half the money they gave him, the Browns signing Stallworth made a steal.Not for sale.The Vikings won't trade their first round draft pick for Anderson, though it would make perfect sense for them... and would save them the trouble of forgetting to make their pick round 1...
GO PACK GO!
In all honesty, I like this signing for the Vikings- it makes sense and he'll be an asset. They overpaid, no doubt, but that's what happens when you need a WR as badly as the Vikings do...I just hope whatever QB they throw under center can throw the ball over 30 yards and get it to him (enter Anderson?)
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
As far as Berrian's impact on Minny's offense is concerned, I think this isn't a bad signing for Minnesota. He will have teams thinking twice about moving safeties up into the box often (if Tarvaris isn't as bas as last season), which could/should help Peterson. But generally speaking, I don't think he's worth that kind of money. Though looking at Stallworth's contract ($35 million for 5 and $10 mil guaranteed), I guess this is the going rate for receivers right now. As a Bears fan, I much prefer having spent the money to re-sign Briggs to signing Berrian for this kind of money.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
It's a helluva lot of money for a guy who's never busted 1,000 yards or 10 TDs imho...
I think Berrian has a lot of upside, but that's too much money to be paying an unproven commodity.
I'm sure the Vikes are CERTAIN that if he did as well as he did in Chicago, with THAT quarterback, and THAT offensive coordinator, with THAT offensive line (or lack thereof) with NO running attack - they're gonna be able to turn him into a superstar.
All things being said, I say he's down by Week 8 with turf toe - as it's a lingering issue he's had the past two years. Enjoy the FieldTurf Bernard and thanks for the memories.
I think Berrian has a lot of upside, but that's too much money to be paying an unproven commodity.
I'm sure the Vikes are CERTAIN that if he did as well as he did in Chicago, with THAT quarterback, and THAT offensive coordinator, with THAT offensive line (or lack thereof) with NO running attack - they're gonna be able to turn him into a superstar.
All things being said, I say he's down by Week 8 with turf toe - as it's a lingering issue he's had the past two years. Enjoy the FieldTurf Bernard and thanks for the memories.
dmac37
Footballguy
As a Berrian owner I was hoping that he would not sign with Minn., main reason I also own AD and Rice. Other than having 3 eggs in a Vikings basket, I'm starting to think this may not be so bad for Berrian.
Minn has 2 other weapons that Chicago did not. A stud RB and a WR threat along side of him in Rice. If Jackson can play more like he did as the 2007 season went on and improve on that during 2008, then the Viking offense could have something. I also believe Berrian is more of a complete receiver than given credit for, he made some great TD catches and should be more than a one trick pony going deep.
Minn has 2 other weapons that Chicago did not. A stud RB and a WR threat along side of him in Rice. If Jackson can play more like he did as the 2007 season went on and improve on that during 2008, then the Viking offense could have something. I also believe Berrian is more of a complete receiver than given credit for, he made some great TD catches and should be more than a one trick pony going deep.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't think staying in Chicago was a worse option.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hmmm...not surprised he got that kind of dough given how much other players are getting. HOWEVER, I really wonder how this helps Berrian or the Vikings. I know they had a need at wideout, but they're paying Berrian to be an elite playmaker; which (at best) is an unproven proposition. As others have said, this really puts the onus on Tarvaris Jackson to produce at a high level. With a dominant running attack, a solid offensive line and a speedy receiver that they see as a #1 in place, Jackson is going to have a ton of pressure on him right out of the gate this year.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
mdog1967
Footballguy
Its all about the real money 10 mil vs 17 mil guaranteed, Berrian is got one catch, the long bomb. He has little to no RAC. Drops far too many easy passes.Don't know how you think the Browns got a steal, they paid 35M for Stallworth, a guy with a long injury (hammy) history, Vikes got BB for 42M and he is coming off a career year. Stallworth was just average for NE last year. I see more upside in BB.Berrian is a good WR, but not worth half the money they gave him, the Browns signing Stallworth made a steal.Not for sale.The Vikings won't trade their first round draft pick for Anderson, though it would make perfect sense for them... and would save them the trouble of forgetting to make their pick round 1...
GO PACK GO!
In all honesty, I like this signing for the Vikings- it makes sense and he'll be an asset. They overpaid, no doubt, but that's what happens when you need a WR as badly as the Vikings do...I just hope whatever QB they throw under center can throw the ball over 30 yards and get it to him (enter Anderson?)
encaitar
Footballguy
Real Money? Like you expect Stallworth or Berrian to be cut in a year of two? They're both young receivers and barring any career ending injury both will play out their contracts. That means they're both on the books for 7 mil a year average. However, with most of Berrian's money coming up front, his cap number will be quite small at the end of the contract, especially since the cap will be like 150 million by then.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Alvin Harper.
Tecmo
Footballguy
Yes, it's way too much money to give to Berrian. Especially the 16 million signing bonus, the Vikes are stuck with this guy for better or worse. We don't know how this contract is setup though, most teams backload the contract and it ends up being a 4-yr deal in reality. The Vikes looked to have front-loaded a contract once again (23 million in the first 3-yrs). I wonder if Berrian got the upfront roster bonus like Winfield, Hutch, Shiancoe have?... this contract might not be so bad over the long haul if he got a massive roster bonus to eat up the free cap space this year.
Either way, the Vikes were close the playoffs. I would spend like a fool to get over the hump. They have something really special with Peterson, it's like a window just opened. They need to act and that's the cost of free agency. Good signing, but I would of preferred throwing my money at Justin Smith
Either way, the Vikes were close the playoffs. I would spend like a fool to get over the hump. They have something really special with Peterson, it's like a window just opened. They need to act and that's the cost of free agency. Good signing, but I would of preferred throwing my money at Justin Smith
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Chadstroma said:Thank God!!! This means my Raiders won't throw bad money after him.
the autumn wind is a Raider.
pigskin pimp
Footballguy
Would have rather have had Hackett at half the price in a WCO. Berrian freeing up Rice doesn't seem worth the price. If the safeties roll to Berrian, and it frees up All Day and Rice, it's worth the money. But VJax still needs to find his guy.
As a Vikes fan, I don't see how you cannot like the signing. If the Vikes stood pat, and added nothing but rookies to the offense, they would have been crucified. Berrian should hep the O.
The DEF is stacked w/the exception of DE, and backup depth at LB and DB.
It's a win now, baby, attitude. Let's go get Jason Taylor, a decent backup QB, haul in the rookies to play depth on D and let's play.
As a Vikes fan, I don't see how you cannot like the signing. If the Vikes stood pat, and added nothing but rookies to the offense, they would have been crucified. Berrian should hep the O.
The DEF is stacked w/the exception of DE, and backup depth at LB and DB.
It's a win now, baby, attitude. Let's go get Jason Taylor, a decent backup QB, haul in the rookies to play depth on D and let's play.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I was kinda thinking the same thing..
twitch
Footballguy
I agree it sucks to have to give up that kindof loot for a relatively unworthy player, but I think Minnesota will be thanking themselves next season. Sidney Rice, imo, has the look of a #1 WR. He's young so obviously he's yet to really prove it. But with he and Peterson and now Berrian, that's alot for Ds to think about. Who's the starting TE in Minnesota again? That guy should be golden in an O with those 2 receivers on the outside and Peterson holding all the backers.
Jackson is coming along, imo. He's only had 2 years to develop, so its far too early to compare him to someone like Aaron Brooks, whether positively or negatively. But I think he's being brought along the right way. But the expectations havent been high yet for MN. Now, they will be. Its gonna be interesting to see how he handles those expectations. Personally, I think he'll do just fine. No doubt in my mind this is a playoff team in '08.
Jackson is coming along, imo. He's only had 2 years to develop, so its far too early to compare him to someone like Aaron Brooks, whether positively or negatively. But I think he's being brought along the right way. But the expectations havent been high yet for MN. Now, they will be. Its gonna be interesting to see how he handles those expectations. Personally, I think he'll do just fine. No doubt in my mind this is a playoff team in '08.
twitch
Footballguy
they also could have thrown AWAY their 1st and 3rd round draft picks because that's exactly what it would have taken. NO team was doing that for Anderson. This team is a playoff team without Anderson, imo. The NFC is always wide open.
Minn should have been, a playoff team last year... they win just one of those last 3 games and they go to the playoffs... when your offense can't beat a defense stacking 8 guys in the box you obviously need something to change on offense; personally I'd go QB over WR as the more important change; QB is the most important position on the football field and a good QB can make average WRs look good (not vice versa)
either way, it's obvious Childress believes in the kid and is tying his fate to Tarvaris; I wouldn't have done that with the team they have on place, but I wish him luck
either way, it's obvious Childress believes in the kid and is tying his fate to Tarvaris; I wouldn't have done that with the team they have on place, but I wish him luck
twitch
Footballguy
They were just a young team. Their best WR was a rookie. Their best player was a rookie. And their most important player was a 2nd year guy. Teams and players naturally improve with time, particularly when theyre that young in those positions. I expect them to win some of those close, pressure-packed games this year that they couldnt win in '07. I know its easy to jump on Childress a bit for tying his fate to a shaky young QB like Jackson, but he's started one season. I commend the coach and team for sticking with the kid and being patient enough to develop him. Think of all that starting experience he has now. Rewards await this team.
H.K.
Footballguy
I'll be surprised if he does that well.Leading Vikings WR Bobby Wade's numbers last year: 83 targets 54 recepts 654 yards 3 TD's....The #2 WR in MINN was targeted 61 times.In contrast, Berrian had 127 targets last year as a Bear and the #2 WR in CHI had 81 targets, almost as many as the Vikings #1....Simply put, Berrian's value is reduced to bye-week filler now.TD5150 said:
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