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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Great logic. I commend you on rating someone who hasn't played a snap.
cstu
Footballguy
My take is that Payton simply punished Meachem for not being prepared (overweight, not memorizing the playbook) in the preseason and didn't activate him the whole to give him a wake-up call. No one knows if it will work but Payton did say after the season that Meachem will have a impact this year.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Bright future. Those giving up on Meachem are making a big mistake.We'll talk in 3 years, huh?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well I look for Meacham growth to be stunted even further cuz they just resigned devery.
Meach is the wr3, only if they dont bring patten in
Meach is the wr3, only if they dont bring patten in
Couch Potato
Footballguy
You're kidding right? Devery Henderson is backup material, nothing more. He won't stunt anybody's growth. And he signed a 1 year deal for just 2 mil.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
and whats meacham done? 0you think they brought him back for giggles?I am not talking meachams long term value either, more short term. You dynasty players will have to wait awhile long to get real production out of him
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
You guys are maddening. Unreal simplistic thinking. I give up.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
so what your saying meacham is like a lock for even 800 yds and 4tds this season?
footballman_696969
Footballguy
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I'm saying read more and spend less time worrying about past stats. I'm outta here. Time a to watch a movie.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Meachem is a very good buy low candidate.
Both he and Dwayne Jarrett are 2nd year WRs on my shopping list.
Meachem didn't adapt well in year 1 and was hampered by an injury.
Sean Payton has said he likes him, but how much is coach-speak is debatable.
Hard to give up on a rookie after one "red shirt" NFL campaign.
He will be competing for a starting position, but he has to beat out quite a few capable players - Henderson, Patten, Lance Moore.
Both he and Dwayne Jarrett are 2nd year WRs on my shopping list.
Meachem didn't adapt well in year 1 and was hampered by an injury.
Sean Payton has said he likes him, but how much is coach-speak is debatable.
Hard to give up on a rookie after one "red shirt" NFL campaign.
He will be competing for a starting position, but he has to beat out quite a few capable players - Henderson, Patten, Lance Moore.
Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
hey Spud, don't let them get to you. I think Meachem is a great buy low. How can he not have better situation than 90% of the other young wrs. Meachem does have risk, but any buyer knows that. However, the former Vol does have a lot of upside in the Saint offense.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He will be competing for a starting position, but he has to beat out quite a few capable players - Henderson, Patten, Lance Moore
and to my point. Him getting on the field is gonna be tough enough this season.
LOL at read more thanks CP.
and to my point. Him getting on the field is gonna be tough enough this season.
LOL at read more thanks CP.
gianmarco
Footballguy
You know, something called, I don't know, depth? Because teams need more than 2 WR's? Just because they resigned Devery doesn't mean he's going to be the #2 WR. As a Saints fan, I've watched plenty of Devery and he just isn't reliable enough to be a #2 WR for the Saints. He had the job in 2007 and lost it midseason to Lance Moore and Patten. Now, I don't know what will happen with Meachem, but as said above, it won't be Devery Henderson that will be holding him off and keep him from realizing his potential. In the short-term, it could be Moore (who I like a lot, personally) or someone not yet on the roster or Meachem himself (I'm still not sold), but Devery is a #3 WR, at best.As far as Meachem's short-term value, I haven't seen any indication either way as to whether or not he will get a chance to start or not so I think it's a little too early to say. But, if you are going to buy on him, now's the time. It's a little too late to jump on the wagon once he's already named the #2 if it does happen.
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mdog1967
Footballguy
The dude is righ,t a Bust. Mech was way, way overated coming out of college. He's got a whole lot of Chicken Bleep in him and real poor hands. The Saints have made some great decisions the last two years, Reggie Bust and Mech were not two of them.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I would actually put out a counter argument that the Saints need a consistent option for WR2. They played it by committee last year with Moore and Henderson and Copper, and it really didn't work out. Colston is the lynchpin and they want a better guy to start opposite of him.Meachem will have a full offseason to work with Brees and the coaches. Often they don't even get to their team's first OTA because of collegiate commitments. Meachem could be a bust, certainly - but to write him off now is foolish. I'd buy him low from an owner who is ready to give up right now and take my chances rather than picking up a vet has-been off the waiver wire.
AllVolUT
Footballguy
I'm not sure we're talking about the same guy here. 'Meach' was a beast and showed plenty of heart (not to mention skill)...your 'Mech' is full of Chicken Bleep and has poor hands. No correlation. As mentioned, counting out Meachem already would be a mistake.
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King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
I'm confused. Did he come to camp overweight and unable to learn the plays or does he ahave a great work ethic? These seem mutually exclusive.
EBF
Footballguy
I'm not surprised that he had a bad rookie year, but he didn't catch a single pass!
That doesn't mean he won't ultimately pan out, but I can't remember a healthy first round WR who didn't catch even a single pass in his rookie year. It's very odd that they didn't give him any opportunities.
That doesn't mean he won't ultimately pan out, but I can't remember a healthy first round WR who didn't catch even a single pass in his rookie year. It's very odd that they didn't give him any opportunities.
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jwb
Footballguy
I am surprised at how fast some people give up on guys like this, and throw away first round WR picks if they don't pull a Moss/Bowe right out of the gate. Yes, I would have liked to have seen *some* playing time, but if I spent a first rounder on Meachem, you bet I'd keep him another year. Because you aren't getting that pick value back - one year later, nobody will give you a 1 for Meachem. I don't have Meachem, but I was a Jason Hill fan, and drafted him on most of my teams. He'll hang around my roster for another year.
NorrisB
Footballguy
I dont think he's quite that worthless. I think he's worth about the 30th pick in this years rookie ff draft.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Meachem is floating around in my 12 man dynasty league free agent pool right now.
jetmonkey
Footballguy
Dare I ask how you managed to get six of the top rookies from last year's class in your 12 team dynasty league?
crnerblitz
Footballguy
His leaguemates suck? But most likely his team even sucked worse than them? I dunno. The only other explantion is its a start up and he went with youth! At least I hope so. On the bright side his team looks strong for 2009
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
thats not a huge surprise with your small lineup and roster. I'm guessing there are even better players floating out there. Nice group of WR you have, surprised you don't trade up at QB.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I wish I would have kept track of the laundry list of trades I made.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Nice. League is full of competitors. My team is young by design. I am addicted to youth, sometimes this does not bode well for me.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I love Cutler, but am trying to add a QB. Offer out there right now is: J Russ/S Holmes for D Brees. We shall see if he bites.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
As a Brees owner I'd pass on that, but Cutler/Holmes would make me think twice, depending on who else I had at WR and QB.King of the Jungle said:
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I understand, I would too. Not trying to enter an ###. Forum. I am high on Cutler and would like to pair him up with another capable w/o trading him.
cstu
Footballguy
He re-injured his knee in camp and had to have arthroscopic surgery to start the season. He was healthy by mid-season but it was too late in Payton's mind. I seriously think Payton just didn't like how unprepared he was and maybe Meachem acted like he was going to be handed a starting job by virtue of being a 1st round pick.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Rookie first round picks since 1970 with fewer than five receptions:EBF said:
Code:
Name Rec Year college PickClyde Duncan 0 1984 tennessee 17Randal Hill 0 1991 miami(fl) 23Johnny Rodgers 0 1973 nebraska 25Randy Burke 0 1977 kentucky 26Yatil Green 0 1997 miami(fl) 15Robert Meachem 0 2007 tennessee 27Terry Beasley 1 1972 auburn 19Willis Adams 1 1979 houston 20Walker Gillette 2 1970 richmond 15Mark Ingram 2 1987 michiganst 28Ike Hilliard 2 1997 florida 7Santana Moss 2 2001 miami(fl) 16Frank Lewis 3 1971 gramblingst 8Steve Holden 3 1973 arizonast 16Desmond Howard 3 1992 michigan 4Johnnie Morton 3 1994 usc 21Thomas Lewis 4 1994 indiana 24Marcus Nash 4 1998 tennessee 30
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
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EBF
Footballguy
So can we conclude that Meachem is a once in a decade talent?
In all seriousness, that's not exactly great company. And that's the big thing that worries me about Meachem. I know it's pretty common for good WRs to have quiet rookie years, but zero catches? Wow. It's not like Lance Moore and Devery Henderson are Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce. I'm surprised the staff didn't give him a chance to play ahead of those guys towards the end of the season.
cstu
Footballguy
Unlike other situations, I don't believe Meachem was held out for talent reasons, but rather to teach him a lesson. It doesn't inspire confidence that the coach would have to resort to such measures with a top pick, but I think this is a pretty unique situation. Santana Moss wasn't exactly behind a stud in Wayne Chrebet, yet he still only caught 2 passes and he turned out alright.
Moss was injured that yr. I think he hurt his knee is camo and than pulled his hammy later that season.
cstu
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
No that was last year- hey, wait!
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Rookie first round picks since 1970 with fewer than five receptions:EBF said:Frank Lewis was a very good WR that played behind two HOF most of his career, and then finally made the Pro Bowl at age 34. Santana Moss has been very good when healthy, Johnnie Morton was pretty good, and Ike Hilliard, Mark Ingram and Randall Hill weren't bad, either. Outside of that, though,Code:Name Rec Year college PickClyde Duncan 0 1984 tennessee 17Randal Hill 0 1991 miami(fl) 23Johnny Rodgers 0 1973 nebraska 25Randy Burke 0 1977 kentucky 26Yatil Green 0 1997 miami(fl) 15Robert Meachem 0 2007 tennessee 27Terry Beasley 1 1972 auburn 19Willis Adams 1 1979 houston 20Walker Gillette 2 1970 richmond 15Mark Ingram 2 1987 michiganst 28Ike Hilliard 2 1997 florida 7Santana Moss 2 2001 miami(fl) 16Frank Lewis 3 1971 gramblingst 8Steve Holden 3 1973 arizonast 16Desmond Howard 3 1992 michigan 4Johnnie Morton 3 1994 usc 21Thomas Lewis 4 1994 indiana 24Marcus Nash 4 1998 tennessee 30uke:.
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
Yeah, I mean who's that Desmond Howard guy, anyway?Rookie first round picks since 1970 with fewer than five receptions:EBF said:Frank Lewis was a very good WR that played behind two HOF most of his career, and then finally made the Pro Bowl at age 34. Santana Moss has been very good when healthy, Johnnie Morton was pretty good, and Ike Hilliard, Mark Ingram and Randall Hill weren't bad, either. Outside of that, though,Code:Name Rec Year college PickClyde Duncan 0 1984 tennessee 17Randal Hill 0 1991 miami(fl) 23Johnny Rodgers 0 1973 nebraska 25Randy Burke 0 1977 kentucky 26Yatil Green 0 1997 miami(fl) 15Robert Meachem 0 2007 tennessee 27Terry Beasley 1 1972 auburn 19Willis Adams 1 1979 houston 20Walker Gillette 2 1970 richmond 15Mark Ingram 2 1987 michiganst 28Ike Hilliard 2 1997 florida 7Santana Moss 2 2001 miami(fl) 16Frank Lewis 3 1971 gramblingst 8Steve Holden 3 1973 arizonast 16Desmond Howard 3 1992 michigan 4Johnnie Morton 3 1994 usc 21Thomas Lewis 4 1994 indiana 24Marcus Nash 4 1998 tennessee 30
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
A huge bust. He has <1600 career receiving yards, seven career TDs, and topped 300 receiving yards once in his career.Yeah, I mean who's that Desmond Howard guy, anyway?Rookie first round picks since 1970 with fewer than five receptions:EBF said:Frank Lewis was a very good WR that played behind two HOF most of his career, and then finally made the Pro Bowl at age 34. Santana Moss has been very good when healthy, Johnnie Morton was pretty good, and Ike Hilliard, Mark Ingram and Randall Hill weren't bad, either. Outside of that, though,Code:Name Rec Year college PickClyde Duncan 0 1984 tennessee 17Randal Hill 0 1991 miami(fl) 23Johnny Rodgers 0 1973 nebraska 25Randy Burke 0 1977 kentucky 26Yatil Green 0 1997 miami(fl) 15Robert Meachem 0 2007 tennessee 27Terry Beasley 1 1972 auburn 19Willis Adams 1 1979 houston 20Walker Gillette 2 1970 richmond 15Mark Ingram 2 1987 michiganst 28Ike Hilliard 2 1997 florida 7Santana Moss 2 2001 miami(fl) 16Frank Lewis 3 1971 gramblingst 8Steve Holden 3 1973 arizonast 16Desmond Howard 3 1992 michigan 4Johnnie Morton 3 1994 usc 21Thomas Lewis 4 1994 indiana 24Marcus Nash 4 1998 tennessee 30
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
And a Pro Bowler.And only Super Bowl MVP once. Seriously, total loser. In fact, just to showcase that, you should totally go change the title on my thread.A huge bust. He has <1600 career receiving yards, seven career TDs, and topped 300 receiving yards once in his career.Yeah, I mean who's that Desmond Howard guy, anyway?Rookie first round picks since 1970 with fewer than five receptions:EBF said:Frank Lewis was a very good WR that played behind two HOF most of his career, and then finally made the Pro Bowl at age 34. Santana Moss has been very good when healthy, Johnnie Morton was pretty good, and Ike Hilliard, Mark Ingram and Randall Hill weren't bad, either. Outside of that, though,Code:Name Rec Year college PickClyde Duncan 0 1984 tennessee 17Randal Hill 0 1991 miami(fl) 23Johnny Rodgers 0 1973 nebraska 25Randy Burke 0 1977 kentucky 26Yatil Green 0 1997 miami(fl) 15Robert Meachem 0 2007 tennessee 27Terry Beasley 1 1972 auburn 19Willis Adams 1 1979 houston 20Walker Gillette 2 1970 richmond 15Mark Ingram 2 1987 michiganst 28Ike Hilliard 2 1997 florida 7Santana Moss 2 2001 miami(fl) 16Frank Lewis 3 1971 gramblingst 8Steve Holden 3 1973 arizonast 16Desmond Howard 3 1992 michigan 4Johnnie Morton 3 1994 usc 21Thomas Lewis 4 1994 indiana 24Marcus Nash 4 1998 tennessee 30
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Desmond Howard was a bad wide receiver for a first round pick, and a bust. He also had no fantasy value. If Robert Meacham approaches that career, he's a pretty bad buy low candidate.Happy now?And a Pro Bowler.And only Super Bowl MVP once. Seriously, total loser. In fact, just to showcase that, you should totally go change the title on my thread.A huge bust. He has <1600 career receiving yards, seven career TDs, and topped 300 receiving yards once in his career.Yeah, I mean who's that Desmond Howard guy, anyway?Rookie first round picks since 1970 with fewer than five receptions:EBF said:Frank Lewis was a very good WR that played behind two HOF most of his career, and then finally made the Pro Bowl at age 34. Santana Moss has been very good when healthy, Johnnie Morton was pretty good, and Ike Hilliard, Mark Ingram and Randall Hill weren't bad, either. Outside of that, though,Code:Name Rec Year college PickClyde Duncan 0 1984 tennessee 17Randal Hill 0 1991 miami(fl) 23Johnny Rodgers 0 1973 nebraska 25Randy Burke 0 1977 kentucky 26Yatil Green 0 1997 miami(fl) 15Robert Meachem 0 2007 tennessee 27Terry Beasley 1 1972 auburn 19Willis Adams 1 1979 houston 20Walker Gillette 2 1970 richmond 15Mark Ingram 2 1987 michiganst 28Ike Hilliard 2 1997 florida 7Santana Moss 2 2001 miami(fl) 16Frank Lewis 3 1971 gramblingst 8Steve Holden 3 1973 arizonast 16Desmond Howard 3 1992 michigan 4Johnnie Morton 3 1994 usc 21Thomas Lewis 4 1994 indiana 24Marcus Nash 4 1998 tennessee 30
Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
No. As a WR5 in my "including returns" league, he's a tremendous buy low candidate.
