[Dynasty] - RB #25 (1 Viewer)

1. Adrian Peterson MIN 3/21/1985 75% (SJax 15%)

2. SJax STL 7/22/1983 44% (LT 41%)

3. LT SD 6/23/1979 (Addai 4%)

4. Addai IND 5/3/1983 72% (Westbrook 26%)

5. Westbrook PHI 9/2/1979 51% (Gore 12%)

6. Frank Gore SF 5/14/1983 36% (Lynch 23%)

7. Marshawn Lynch BUF 4/22/1986 29% (LJ 22%)

8a. Larry Johnson KCC 11/19/1979

8b. Clinton Portis WAS 9/1/1981

10. Maurice Jone-Drew JAX 3/23/1985 33% (MB3 15%)

11. Marion Barber III DAL 6/10/1983 36% (McGahee 13%)

12a. Reggie Bush NO 3/2/1985

12b. Ronnie Brown MIA 12/12/1981

12c. Willis McGahee BAL 10/21/1981

15. Willie Parker PIT 11/11/1980 28% (Grant, Maroney, McFadden 20%)

16. Laurence Maroney NE 2/5/1985 29% (Grant 26%)

17. Ryan Grant GB 12/9/1982 34% (D-Mac 28%)

18. Darren McFadden ROOK 8/27/1987

19a. Michael Turner, SD? 2/13/1982

19b. Jonathan Stewart, ROOK 3/21/1987

21. Rashard Mendenhall ROOK 6/21/1987

22. DeAngelo Williams CAR 4/25/1983

23. Brandon Jacobs NYG 7/6/1982

24. LenDale White TEN 12/20/1984

FUBAR said:

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

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I almost feel that we can take Norwood off the list for a little while.

Glad to see Graham finally getting a little respect. The guy was the 11th ranked RB last year and the team has done nothing but improved the offensive line. He's gotta be worth the 25th RB.

Mr. Peterson said:

I almost feel that we can take Norwood off the list for a little while.Glad to see Graham finally getting a little respect. The guy was the 11th ranked RB last year and the team has done nothing but improved the offensive line. He's gotta be worth the 25th RB.

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Wow, I say that about Norwood and he gets two votes. You guys who voted for him, you realize the "all mighty" Turner went there, right?

KJ, are you serious?

Jamal Lewis is long overdue here, fellas

ravnzfan said:

KJ, are you serious?Jamal Lewis is long overdue here, fellas

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I swear it's some kind of inside joke.

KJ ?

Someone is stuffing the ballot box.

(vote early, vote often)

Ron_Mexico said:

KJ ?Someone is stuffing the ballot box.(vote early, vote often)

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it's funny, I think he's been in the lead in every poll since Addai.

Didnt you hear today? KJ is 2 1/2 weeks ahead of schedule in his rehab. KJ has like 20 supporters and once they vote, thats all he gets.

The same delusional KJ owners keep voting for him in every pole, in a feeble attempt to boost his trade value.

I have owned KJ in dynasty since 2004 and I will continue to vote Jamal Lewis (who I've never owed).

Lewis is not coming off major injury and just re-signed with a good NFL offense in Cleveland. Jamal should easily blow away this #25 ranking for the next few years, as long as he stays healthy.

I like Jamal here

I think people don't realize that Jamal Lewis is only 28 years old , with him signing multi-year in the way improved Cleveland offense he really should have been about rb #12.

I own both Lewis and KJ - went with Lewis without a second thought.

Michael J Fox said:

The same delusional KJ owners keep voting for him in every pole, in a feeble attempt to boost his trade value.

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And not a single one of his voters come on here to defend him or explain why they voted for him. I too think it's only the people who own him in dynasty leagues that are trying to bump his value.

Kevin Jones easy

Mr. Peterson said:

Michael J Fox said:

The same delusional KJ owners keep voting for him in every pole, in a feeble attempt to boost his trade value.

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And not a single one of his voters come on here to defend him or explain why they voted for him. I too think it's only the people who own him in dynasty leagues that are trying to bump his value.

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I have 4 dynasty leagues and own KJ in none of them.I voted for him because I think he has a lot of talent and is still quite young. Having watched him play since his rookie season, the guy plays very hard, runs tough, and never gives up. The only issues he has are his health, otherwise I'd have him as a top 15-20 guy easy. I think he bounces back, maybe not till midseason or later, but this is a dynasty poll, and I think he's got a lot of football left in him, whether it's with Detroit or another team.So... that's my explanation of why I voted for him.

11-2 for Lewis, since I posted yesterday, for those w/the stones to chime in

31-29 in the poll still me, but what the hell do I know?

So wait a minute....

You DYNASTY guys out there,

If you own the 4 PICK IN THE ROOKIE draft (Jones or Rice likely), you're telling me , that you would trade that pick for Jamal Lewis or Kevin Jones straight up and feel like you're getting the BETTER end of the deal???

Seriously?

The other 20 or so votes that went to guys like Edge, Norwood, Bradshaw, Selvin and Thomas Jones are completely wasted votes as they don't make ANY sense whatsover. I'm in 7 dynasty leagues and I guarantee you that none of them would trade the 4 for any of the players in this group. We should require some form of DYNASTY experience somehow before voting.

2 polls each, lol - 1 for less than 3 years Dynasty XP, another for greater than 3 yrs.

Team Legacy said:

So wait a minute....

You DYNASTY guys out there,

If you own the 4 PICK IN THE ROOKIE draft (Jones or Rice likely), you're telling me , that you would trade that pick for Jamal Lewis or Kevin Jones straight up and feel like you're getting the BETTER end of the deal???

Seriously?

The other 20 or so votes that went to guys like Edge, Norwood, Bradshaw, Selvin and Thomas Jones are completely wasted votes as they don't make ANY sense whatsover. I'm in 7 dynasty leagues and I guarantee you that none of them would trade the 4 for any of the players in this group. We should require some form of DYNASTY experience somehow before voting.

2 polls each, lol - 1 for less than 3 years Dynasty XP, another for greater than 3 yrs.

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As of right now yes. Without knowing where either of those guys are going how can you pick them ahead of Lewis? If this were after the NFL draft I think it would be different. Especially if I was a fringe team that was close to contending. I would definitely take him in that slot. Lewis (barring injury) is almost a lock for 1300 / 10 td's if not more for at least the next two seasons.

ETA: I agree with you completely on Edge, Norwood, Bradshaw, Selvin and Thomas Jones. I just think Lewis is the exception here.

finito said:

Mr. Peterson said:

Michael J Fox said:

The same delusional KJ owners keep voting for him in every pole, in a feeble attempt to boost his trade value.

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And not a single one of his voters come on here to defend him or explain why they voted for him. I too think it's only the people who own him in dynasty leagues that are trying to bump his value.

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I have 4 dynasty leagues and own KJ in none of them.I voted for him because I think he has a lot of talent and is still quite young. Having watched him play since his rookie season, the guy plays very hard, runs tough, and never gives up. The only issues he has are his health, otherwise I'd have him as a top 15-20 guy easy. I think he bounces back, maybe not till midseason or later, but this is a dynasty poll, and I think he's got a lot of football left in him, whether it's with Detroit or another team.So... that's my explanation of why I voted for him.

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Well thank you. You and the guy who posted above you are the only two who even admitted voting for K.Jones.

So what's the difference between what Graham did this year and what Grant did?

They were both unknowns who jumped onto the scene to have great years. I know the differences between thier ages but there really isn't that much of a difference.

One difference is that Graham had a better fantasy year than Grant on a much worse team. Why is he not getting any consideration at all?

Mr. Peterson said:

Michael J Fox said:

The same delusional KJ owners keep voting for him in every pole, in a feeble attempt to boost his trade value.

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And not a single one of his voters come on here to defend him or explain why they voted for him. I too think it's only the people who own him in dynasty leagues that are trying to bump his value.

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I wrote the statement below at RB#22 poll, yes I'm a KJ owner and from Detroit. He is the only Lion I own and think the franchise is a joke but believe KJ is the real deal, obvious concern is his health, but other players have had better luck with injuries after being written off. It looks like many have been bullied away from picking KJ any more, I'm still taking him. Being in Detroit I have watched just about all his games, his downfalls have been injuries, Mariucci, Martz, and the offensive line. If this was 10 years ago I would be more concerned with his injuries, look how he came back from the lisfranc, but with modern medicine and technology, players are bouncing back quick and just as strong. With Martz gone all signs are pointing to the Lions going to more of a power running game, and KJ is still a great threat in the passing game = a true 3 down back. Before his injury this year he was being talked about as a top 12 RB in dynasty going forward, he is still only 26 years old.

Mr. Peterson said:

finito said:

Mr. Peterson said:

Michael J Fox said:

The same delusional KJ owners keep voting for him in every pole, in a feeble attempt to boost his trade value.

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And not a single one of his voters come on here to defend him or explain why they voted for him. I too think it's only the people who own him in dynasty leagues that are trying to bump his value.

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I have 4 dynasty leagues and own KJ in none of them.I voted for him because I think he has a lot of talent and is still quite young. Having watched him play since his rookie season, the guy plays very hard, runs tough, and never gives up. The only issues he has are his health, otherwise I'd have him as a top 15-20 guy easy. I think he bounces back, maybe not till midseason or later, but this is a dynasty poll, and I think he's got a lot of football left in him, whether it's with Detroit or another team.So... that's my explanation of why I voted for him.

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Well thank you. You and the guy who posted above you are the only two who even admitted voting for K.Jones.

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I do have KJ in one league and have voted for him because I think his talent trumps that of the remaining backs, plain and simple. I find it a bit offensive that people will try to discount votes for KJ because "it must be his owners" while we don't hear that about players. The fact is that if someone owns a player, KJ or another, they probably believe the player has fantasy value. I don't see why someone would vote for a player just because they own him and I don't see why fantasy owners of one player would be more inclined to do so than another.Reasons why I like KJ:1) Talent--if you have watched him play more than an occasional game you have seen a RB who has a balanced mix of speed and power and good catching ability. As others have said, he is a true featured back.2) Age--he is still young at 26.3) Contract--he only has one more year in Detroit and I see him being a highly sought after FA next year where he ends up being featued, whatever happens this year.4) I play PPR and he can put up the PPR points.Yes, he has had injuries but Robert Smith had two ACL surgeries in his first three years in the league and then went on to have a string of very strong seasons. McGahee had one of the most devastating injuries imaginable yet he is performing well. The classic, Fragile Fred, who is a good parallel to KJ went on to have a HOF career after overcoming the injury bug in the middle of his career.

Pre-NFL draft, I have to say Lewis but after the draft I think a couple other rookies will be higher.

DBIsports said:

I think people don't realize that Jamal Lewis is only 28 years old , with him signing multi-year in the way improved Cleveland offense he really should have been about rb #12.

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No doubt. I really have no idea why people around here dislike this guy so much. It's mind boggling. I'll be sure to take advantage of that in my leagues though.

jurb26 said:

DBIsports said:

I think people don't realize that Jamal Lewis is only 28 years old , with him signing multi-year in the way improved Cleveland offense he really should have been about rb #12.

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No doubt. I really have no idea why people around here dislike this guy so much. It's mind boggling. I'll be sure to take advantage of that in my leagues though.

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I can't believe people would take Jacobs over Lewis.

dmac37 said:

Mr. Peterson said:

Michael J Fox said:

The same delusional KJ owners keep voting for him in every pole, in a feeble attempt to boost his trade value.

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And not a single one of his voters come on here to defend him or explain why they voted for him. I too think it's only the people who own him in dynasty leagues that are trying to bump his value.

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I wrote the statement below at RB#22 poll, yes I'm a KJ owner and from Detroit. He is the only Lion I own and think the franchise is a joke but believe KJ is the real deal, obvious concern is his health, but other players have had better luck with injuries after being written off. It looks like many have been bullied away from picking KJ any more, I'm still taking him. Being in Detroit I have watched just about all his games, his downfalls have been injuries, Mariucci, Martz, and the offensive line. If this was 10 years ago I would be more concerned with his injuries, look how he came back from the lisfranc, but with modern medicine and technology, players are bouncing back quick and just as strong. With Martz gone all signs are pointing to the Lions going to more of a power running game, and KJ is still a great threat in the passing game = a true 3 down back.

Before his injury this year he was being talked about as a top 12 RB in dynasty going forward, he is still only 26 years old.

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So basically everything that has happened to him since he joined the league? And he wouldn't be the first extremely talented player who couldn't stay healthy. I agree he's looked good on his day, but I just can't trust a guy who's had so many negatives and who hasn't even logged 200+ carries since his rookie year. Come draft time (or maybe even sooner) I'm confident that his future will be in greater doubt than it is today.

Team Legacy said:

So wait a minute....You DYNASTY guys out there, If you own the 4 PICK IN THE ROOKIE draft (Jones or Rice likely), you're telling me , that you would trade that pick for Jamal Lewis or Kevin Jones straight up and feel like you're getting the BETTER end of the deal???Seriously?

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That's what I was thinking when I voted for Rice. No way I'd trade 1.4 for any of these guys.

What have half these backs even done to gather these votes?? EG needs to get more respect than this. Reggie Bush...please. What's the saying about potential??? Please people this is ridiculous. If I used this cheatsheet I'd commit myself to an insane asylum.

RoosterScott said:

What have half these backs even done to gather these votes?? EG needs to get more respect than this. Reggie Bush...please. What's the saying about potential??? Please people this is ridiculous. If I used this cheatsheet I'd commit myself to an insane asylum.

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Can you give us your top 25 dynasty RB rankings?

Rookie RBs are like new cars, they lose thier value the minute they pull off the lot...with the exception of one maybe two. Look at the draft picks last year with the exception of Peterson and Lynch, the 1.4 and through the rest of the 1st round picks value all dropped after the season started. Its all just the hype and the excitment of the unknown that puts value in those picks.

Devine Intervention said:

Rookie RBs are like new cars, they lose thier value the minute they pull off the lot...with the exception of one maybe two. Look at the draft picks last year with the exception of Peterson and Lynch, the 1.4 and through the rest of the 1st round picks value all dropped after the season started. Its all just the hype and the excitment of the unknown that puts value in those picks.

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Exactly! Anyone want a helping of B. Jackson? How about Chris Henry? Lorenzo Booker maybe?

az_prof said:

Devine Intervention said:

Rookie RBs are like new cars, they lose thier value the minute they pull off the lot...with the exception of one maybe two. Look at the draft picks last year with the exception of Peterson and Lynch, the 1.4 and through the rest of the 1st round picks value all dropped after the season started. Its all just the hype and the excitment of the unknown that puts value in those picks.

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Exactly! Anyone want a helping of B. Jackson? How about Chris Henry? Lorenzo Booker maybe?

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2006 - 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville JaguarsNot too many owners will trade these guys straight for the same pick they got them at originally. (possibly Williams and White, but still 4/6 aint' bad)

RoosterScott said:

What have half these backs even done to gather these votes?? EG needs to get more respect than this. Reggie Bush...please. What's the saying about potential??? Please people this is ridiculous. If I used this cheatsheet I'd commit myself to an insane asylum.

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thanks for sharing. If you're smart, you wouldn't comment, but use these polls to find what you consider value.

jurb26 said:

DBIsports said:

I think people don't realize that Jamal Lewis is only 28 years old , with him signing multi-year in the way improved Cleveland offense he really should have been about rb #12.

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No doubt. I really have no idea why people around here dislike this guy so much. It's mind boggling. I'll be sure to take advantage of that in my leagues though.

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its gotta be people remember watching him in baltimore, really he looked like he was running in quicksand his last two years there. he looked done and he bounced back last year with a good year (he did help me win a title in one league), doesnt mean hes going to do it again and he will be 29 I think when the season actually starts. I couldn't rank him any higher than 20 myself, but I see your guys point.

mozzy84 said:

jurb26 said:

DBIsports said:

I think people don't realize that Jamal Lewis is only 28 years old , with him signing multi-year in the way improved Cleveland offense he really should have been about rb #12.

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No doubt. I really have no idea why people around here dislike this guy so much. It's mind boggling. I'll be sure to take advantage of that in my leagues though.

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its gotta be people remember watching him in baltimore, really he looked like he was running in quicksand his last two years there. he looked done and he bounced back last year with a good year (he did help me win a title in one league), doesnt mean hes going to do it again and he will be 29 I think when the season actually starts. I couldn't rank him any higher than 20 myself, but I see your guys point.

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The reasons Lewis struggled in Balt the past few years are well documented and it was really a no brainer that he was going to play better.

and Kevin Jones finishes 2nd again.

Mr. Peterson said:

So what's the difference between what Graham did this year and what Grant did?They were both unknowns who jumped onto the scene to have great years. I know the differences between thier ages but there really isn't that much of a difference. One difference is that Graham had a better fantasy year than Grant on a much worse team. Why is he not getting any consideration at all?

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1. Grant is about 5 years younger than Graham. You can't overstate the importance of this when age is the dominant factor in running back decline. There are plenty of posts to be found here.2. Graham has more current long-term competition than Grant. Sure Caddy is severely injured, but he was a top 10 pick and ran for over 1,000 yards as a rookie. Those two things are usually a better indicator of success than failure. I do know how the stats behind Caddy's rookie year showed that it wasn't as great as it seemed on the surface, but it's far better than anything that anyone Grant has to contend with has ever put up. Brandon Jackson was a second round pick, but I think at this point it might be an upset if he runs for 1,000 yards in his entire career.3. The Packers' actions show a much greater commitment to Grant than the Buccaneers' do to Graham. The Packers traded a draft pick for Grant this year, raved about his potential, and were quick to declare him the starter after he finally got his opportunity and produced. Graham, on the other hand, was almost the last man standing in Tampa. Caddy went down, Pittman got nicked, and Graham showed enough consistency to keep the job. Even then, the Buccaneers brought in Michael Bennett, who had a history as a starter in the NFL but apparently wasn't a good fit there.4. The Buccaneers are at least as likely as the Packers to bring in competition at running back. Gruden is far more likely to have to have his own guys in there and get the exciting players on his team, while Thompson is more concerned with team unity and players that fit his system. Graham was just the best player to fill the job when it opened up and was by no means hand-picked; it may be that later in free agency or the draft the team finds a player who better fits the role. There are already whispers of signing Warrick Dunn, who has done more in the NFL than any of the players discussed so far. The Packers might draft a back or pick one up, but it will be as a backup or change of pace. Grant is locked in as the starter this year.5. Graham just isn't nearly as sexy as Grant. The older, effective pounder just doesn't have as much drawing power as the young back with breakaway ability whose potential seems largely untapped. Perhaps that shouldn't really mean much in terms of ability as an NFL starter, but marketability among fantasy football and NFL fans will be felt throughout the team.6. Graham has probably come close to realizing his potential already, while we have little idea what the extent of Grant's potential is. Graham has had several offseasons in the NFL before his breakout year this year, while Grant hasn't even spent a training camp with his current team yet. Let Grant work out with the team, study the playbook, and get in a full year offseason of practices before we judge what he can do as a player. I also think that part of the reason why he may have started out so slowly in the Seattle game is because it was his first playoff game and he was being counted on to play a huge part. As he gets more opportunities he could become more comfortable and relaxed in those situations, which honestly scares me a little.I think that's enough for now, but I'm sure there are more. There situations are fairly similar, but I think Grant has more potential and staying power than Graham.