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Bloom 100: 21-30 (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom

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Bloom 100: 21-30

I have to say, sorting out this group of rooks has been significantly tougher than the last few year's groups. There's such a diverse set of pros and cons to

these guys that some of this really comes down to taste - as always the point here is to start the discussion, not end it. I could do the top 30 a dozen times,

and Im not sure it would come out the same twice.

 
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JORDY NELSON! That's all I have to say, he's going to be a great pro. Probably a better pro than fantasy player though

My favorite WR's from this class are Jordy Nelson, Lavelle Hawkins, Devin Thomas, Andre Royal and Dexter Jackson. They don't have the flash of the first round guys, but will in most cases have longer NFL careers.

It would also be interesting to see where Dustin Keller of Purdue will come in your top 100.

Bloom - I may also be mistaken about not seeing Keith Rivers in the top 30, typo or is there some substance to this early grade?

 
JORDY NELSON! That's all I have to say, he's going to be a great pro. Probably a better pro than fantasy player thoughMy favorite WR's from this class are Jordy Nelson, Lavelle Hawkins, Devin Thomas, Andre Royal and Dexter Jackson. They don't have the flash of the first round guys, but will in most cases have longer NFL careers.It would also be interesting to see where Dustin Keller of Purdue will come in your top 100.Bloom - I may also be mistaken about not seeing Keith Rivers in the top 30, typo or is there some substance to this early grade?
no typo on Rivers. The main reason is I see more tools than instincts and this point and think he's a boom/bust LB - no need to take him over thesafer guys.Amen on Nelson. I love this guy's game, he will help his NFL team win more than his fantasy team - I put him at the bottom of the tier because of that quality,but he also could settle in as a 80-90 catch a year kind of guy. I'll be happy to add him to any of my dynasty teams. What do you think of the Ward comparison?
 
I have been low on Kevin Smith for a long time now. I think your analysis of him is spot on. Good to see the "guru" agrees with an opinion many have dogged me for.

 
JORDY NELSON! That's all I have to say, he's going to be a great pro. Probably a better pro than fantasy player thoughMy favorite WR's from this class are Jordy Nelson, Lavelle Hawkins, Devin Thomas, Andre Royal and Dexter Jackson. They don't have the flash of the first round guys, but will in most cases have longer NFL careers.It would also be interesting to see where Dustin Keller of Purdue will come in your top 100.Bloom - I may also be mistaken about not seeing Keith Rivers in the top 30, typo or is there some substance to this early grade?
no typo on Rivers. The main reason is I see more tools than instincts and this point and think he's a boom/bust LB - no need to take him over thesafer guys.Amen on Nelson. I love this guy's game, he will help his NFL team win more than his fantasy team - I put him at the bottom of the tier because of that quality,but he also could settle in as a 80-90 catch a year kind of guy. I'll be happy to add him to any of my dynasty teams. What do you think of the Ward comparison?
I think that is a very fair assessment of Nelson's game. He'll be a steal in the late 2nd early 3rd of many rookie drafts for the owners that have patience with him
 
My friend from Cal says Hawkins is a better NFL prospect than Jackson. This is a guy who told me before the NFL draft that Maurice Drew should be a top 3 overall pick, so I do listen to what he has to say even if I don't necessarily agree.

I'm with you on Kevin Smith. File him into the category of guys who just don't run like NFL backs. He looks like a physical specimen on paper and he ran a great time at the combine, but he doesn't look the part on game day.

I think I'd take Choice over Hart simply because I think Hart has a zero probability of ever becoming a starter whereas I could see Choice becoming a Chester Taylor somewhere.

 
My friend from Cal says Hawkins is a better NFL prospect than Jackson. This is a guy who told me before the NFL draft that Maurice Drew should be a top 3 overall pick, so I do listen to what he has to say even if I don't necessarily agree.I'm with you on Kevin Smith. File him into the category of guys who just don't run like NFL backs. He looks like a physical specimen on paper and he ran a great time at the combine, but he doesn't look the part on game day. I think I'd take Choice over Hart simply because I think Hart has a zero probability of ever becoming a starter whereas I could see Choice becoming a Chester Taylor somewhere.
Hawkins is definitely a much more natural WR than Jackson when it comes to sealing the deal with the catch, being fearless over the middle and in the air, and setting upDBs with sharp breaks in his routes. Taylor is a good compare for Choice as far as his all around game - cant argue with that, which just underscores how deep this class is.
 
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I agree on Kevin Smith, that running style is just plain ugly. For such a big man he wants to take it outside everytime and he goes down too easy. I'm not seeing the balance.

Chris Johnson's game flashes a little power here and there. He will get low and shed a defender when needed. Just don't see him running between the tackles and the pass protection might never be good. But I wouldn't discount him as not capable of an everydown back. His outside speed is really going to test containment, I think his upside warrants a higher selection in FF drafts

Choice makes some nice cuts, I would jump at him if he went to Denver

 
So much of this is dependent on where a guy goes.

I think you're wrong about Rivers and if you want to compare someone to Ryans, he's the guy.

I love how deep the WR class is this year.

 
You're right Bloom, we're going to have a nice debate about Smith. When you threw in Steve Slaton I also see differences in what criteria may impress one of us more or less when it comes to running backs.

Kind of surprised about the views on Hawkins, although he's definitely a physical player at the position in comparison to his buddies. But compared to some of the more robust SEC and Big 12 receivers I wonder if people are mistaking Hawkins as a big fish when he's a slightly bigger, small fish in a pond of smaller fish.

Again, good stuff.

 
21 Jordy Nelson WR

22 Lavelle Hawkins WR

23 Curtis Lofton LB

24 Josh Johnson QB

25 Chris Johnson RB

26 Kevin Smith RB

27 Dan Connor LB

28 Steve Slaton RB

29 Mike Hart RB

30 Tashard Choice RB

 
21 Jordy Nelson WR

22 Lavelle Hawkins WR

23 Curtis Lofton LB

24 Josh Johnson QB

25 Chris Johnson RB

26 Kevin Smith RB

27 Dan Connor LB

28 Steve Slaton RB

29 Mike Hart RB

30 Tashard Choice RB
Fun list. I am excited about this class. Those voicing discontent need to snap out of it. It isn't often a list this promising appears at 21 - 30 and some serious sleepers are still dormant. It makes me want to dump some veteran talent and stockpile draft picks. I have to be careful with that thinking. My love of the draft and drafting and unproven collegians could turn foolish quickly this year. The mystery of it all is what makes this fun. Nelson and Hawkins. I guessed it on my second try. I have a few WRs ahead of Hawkins and someone above Nelson all in a lower tier. Nelson is a high ceiling player, and I too would gladly draft him. I can understand ranking him higher than those backs, even if I disagree. I like Hawkins. So many times he'd be making a big play, and I thought for sure it was Desean. He was outstanding last year. I just cannot imagine drafting him before Johnson, Slaton, Choice or Smith.

Lofton ahead of Connor and Rivers. I am on record very unimpressed with the IDPs this year, but I like these three fine. Rivers reminds me of Wilbur Marshall/Carl Banks -- very high praise but it's just a comparison in type, not a belief that he's that good.

Josh is one of my guys too. I was sad to see you list him so high. I'd like to see him ignored until the later rounds. I have been on the sidelines watching this freak go nintendo all day. He's going to need even more time than Tarvaris, but his ceiling is ridiculous. Similar talents have vanished without ever getting a shot though. The fog at QB (like WR) is reason to wait to draft one. I'm not convinced the top two or three QBs are the best this class has to offer. I'm not even sure this class has anthing to offer at QB, but the fantasy potential is interesting with Josh on extensive dynasty rosters.

A tier of RBs I have considerably higher -- Johnson, Smith, Slaton, Hart, Choice. I would be happy to land any of these but Hart here. Choice grew on me last year. Some of it is my love of his character and leadership. I too don't see a big difference in him and Forte... thus, those WRs would have to wait. I've loved Slaton since he was a Freshman and would spend a draft pick and pray whatever he lost, he finds. I doubt I'll have a shot at Chris Johnson or Kevin Smith as most will have them higher than me and way higher than Bloom. I don't know how important maturity, character and work ethic ultimately are, but I have a hard time seeing coaching staffs not fall in love with Slaton, Choice and Johnson. Choice may end up just a hustling special teamer, but it's that character that leads me to believe his chance will come. Slaton and Johnson are going to work their way into the playbook beyond special teams, probably in 3rd down roles, but sometimes better opportunity comes for guys who do that. Wildman makes it uncomfortable to be too low on KSmith. He nailed Bradshaw when few were paying attention. These RBs are a better risk than those WRs, I think.

I suppose some RBs will lose their luster through situation, which could put you ahead of the curve here.

Good stuff. So much juicy talent still out there.

It's not hype. There's always some hype, but this is a very deep class of skill position talent. It may be lacking in elite talent, but this is so much more interesting from an FF perspective.

:goodposting:

 
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A tier of RBs I have considerably higher -- Johnson, Smith, Slaton, Hart, Choice. I would be happy to land any of these but Hart here. Choice grew on me last year. Some of it is my love of his character and leadership. I too don't see a big difference in him and Forte... thus, those WRs would have to wait. I've loved Slaton since he was a Freshman and would spend a draft pick and pray whatever he lost, he finds. I doubt I'll have a shot at Chris Johnson or Kevin Smith as most will have them higher than me and way higher than Bloom. I don't know how important maturity, character and work ethic ultimately are, but I have a hard time seeing coaching staffs not fall in love with Slaton, Choice and Johnson. Choice may end up just a hustling special teamer, but it's that character that leads me to believe his chance will come. Slaton and Johnson are going to work their way into the playbook beyond special teams, probably in 3rd down roles, but sometimes better opportunity comes for guys who do that. Wildman makes it uncomfortable to be too low on KSmith. He nailed Bradshaw when few were paying attention. These RBs are a better risk than those WRs, I think. I suppose some RBs will lose their luster through situation, which could put you ahead of the curve here.
You make a good case for Choice having that edge off the field that may lead to getting the most out of his average game and making an opportunity. I am definitely magnifying a pretty small difference between the Jones/Charles tier and Slaton/CJohnson tier, and between Forte and the KSmith/Choice/Hart tier to reflect the break in RB tiers that situation will create. I looked back at my early 2007 lists and I gave a lot of the RBs a grade that assumed some path to early opportunity, and that just isn't how it goes down. I agree about loving this class of skill players - it might lack the "next generation prototypes" like Peterson and Calvin, but I see a lot of more players that I am really looking forward to watching than were in last year's class.
 
Well said about Hart, Bloom. I'm a homer and I also hope he does well but understand where you coming from in terms of why you have him ranked where you do.

I rooting for the guy to do well and think that some players for whatever reason who don't have the perfect size or speed just do. Whether it was a Don Mattingly in baseball or a Chris Spielman in football, sometimes you're just a player.

 
Apples and Apples according to bloom I think it goes like this:

1. CJ2

2. MKelly

3. SRice

4. Meachem- You had him as your #2 no?

5. D. Thomas

6. Hardy

7. Jarrett

8. Bowe- Dont recall you liking him at all

9. Ginn

10. DAvery

Apples and oranges

1. CJ2

2. Bowe

3. Gonzo

4. Rice

5. Kelly

6. D. Thomas

7. L. Robinson

8. Hardy

9. Avery

10. Ginn

Apples and apples RBs:

1. AD

2. Stewart

3. McFadden

4. Lynch

5. Mendenhall

6. Felix Jones

7. Forte

8. Booker

9. Charles

10. Wright- I remember you being high on him

apples and oranges

1. AD

2. Lynch

3. Stewart

4. McFadden

5. Mendenhall

6. Felix

7. Charles

8. SYoung

9. Forte

10. Slaton

How'd I do bloom?

 
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Bloom,

Have you ever considered writing an article for draftguys .com where you compare the current rookie class against a current NFL player? Or you could just include the comparision in future Bloom 100 rankings. I know the espn and sporting news mags always do this, but I would be more inclined to hear your take than theirs.

 
8. Bowe- Dont recall you liking him at all
Bloom loved Bowe. I remember it well because I wasn''t so sure about him.
He had him in the second tier, but it was behind rice and meachem
Bowe was the EEEE player of the Senior Bowl at WR last year. I had a special place for Rice (still do), and Meachem's speed did cause me to slot him ahead of Bowe (foolishly). Meachem stayed ahead of Bowe after the draft simply because I thought NO could make a fantasy stud out of even an average receiver with the combined numbers Henderson/Horn put up. In reality, the player I should have been inflating for situation was Gonzalez.
 
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Bloom,Have you ever considered writing an article for draftguys .com where you compare the current rookie class against a current NFL player? Or you could just include the comparision in future Bloom 100 rankings. I know the espn and sporting news mags always do this, but I would be more inclined to hear your take than theirs.
I drop compares in where I see them in the writeups. Ill do the same in my positional rankings. I remember doing upside/downside compares in the past. Ill try to do compares systematically if I have time. Comparisons are a lot of fun, but I end up qualifying them with "Player X with Player Y's toughness" or "a quicker Player Z, but without his hands" - sometimes, but generally rarely, a player can be compared directly - also sometimes a player achieves the same results/plays the same role, but looks different or does it in a different fashion - thats how I would characterize my Stewart/SJax compare this year.
 
Comparing where the 08 class is now vs. where I had the 07 class this point:

Apples and Apples according to bloom I think it goes like this:1. CJ22. MKelly3. SRice4. Meachem- You had him as your #2 no?5. D. Thomas6. Hardy7. Jarrett8. Bowe- Dont recall you liking him at all9. Ginn10. DAvery
Bowe ahead of Thomas, otherwise right on.08 class now vs. 07 class now
Apples and oranges1. CJ22. Bowe3. Gonzo4. Rice5. Kelly6. D. Thomas7. L. Robinson8. Hardy 9. Avery10. Ginn
Kelly ahead of Rice (Thomas basically neck and neck). Drop Robinson and Ginn out and addBennett and Doucet (really the entire 2nd tier that goes from 13-22 in the current 100).
Apples and apples RBs:1. AD2. Stewart3. McFadden4. Lynch5. Mendenhall6. Felix Jones7. Forte8. Booker9. Charles10. Wright- I remember you being high on him
I actually still had Wright behind Irons, Leonard, Jackson, and Bush, and in a mini-tier with Hunt at 28-29 at this point last year.I would say this is pretty much on through 6, Charles would be 7, Forte 8, Booker 9, Irons 10.
apples and oranges1. AD2. Lynch3. Stewart4. McFadden5. Mendenhall6. Felix7. Charles8. SYoung9. Forte10. Slaton
Forte 8, Bush 9, SYoung 10 (Bradshaw 10A) right now.
How'd I do bloom?
excellent job.
 
Bloom,Have you ever considered writing an article for draftguys .com where you compare the current rookie class against a current NFL player? Or you could just include the comparision in future Bloom 100 rankings. I know the espn and sporting news mags always do this, but I would be more inclined to hear your take than theirs.
I drop compares in where I see them in the writeups. Ill do the same in my positional rankings. I remember doing upside/downside compares in the past. Ill try to do compares systematically if I have time. Comparisons are a lot of fun, but I end up qualifying them with "Player X with Player Y's toughness" or "a quicker Player Z, but without his hands" - sometimes, but generally rarely, a player can be compared directly - also sometimes a player achieves the same results/plays the same role, but looks different or does it in a different fashion - thats how I would characterize my Stewart/SJax compare this year.
Interesting in the Sjax comparision with Stewart - easy to see why he's #1 on your board. I'm personally not a McFadden believer. I like Mendenhall a lot more as a pro.I'd also be interested to hear your thoughts on Devin Thomas - Boldin maybe?
 

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